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Ukraine Claims Russian Forces At Border, Attack Conflict Zone; Russia Replies "Complete Rubbish"

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After reportedly rejecting Vladimir Putin's peace proposal and continuing heavy shelling in the pro-Russian-held regions of Donetsk, Ukraine's military spokesman Lysenko is reporting the Russian army is directly attacking Ukraine forces in the north conflict zone. The fight over what is now a destroyed Donetsk airport continues with Lysenko claiming to have stalled Russian forces adding that three Russian battallions are approaching the Ukraine border. CNN reports that the Russian Defense Ministry says, "Ukraine's allegations that Russian troops are in Ukraine are complete rubbish."

Reuters and Bloomberg report...

  • THREE MORE RUSSIAN BATTALLIONS APPROACH UKRAINE BORDER: LYSENKO
  • UKRAINE SAYS FIERCE CLASHES FOR DONETSK AIRPORT: LYSENKO
  • RUSSIAN ARMY ATTACKING UKRAINE FORCES: LYSENKO
  • UKRAINE FORCES ATTACKED IN NORTH CONFLICT ZONE: LYSENKO
  • HEAVY FIGHTING STILL GOING ON BUT UKRAINIANS HAVE HALTED ADVANCE OF RUSSIAN FORCES - MILITARY SPOKESMAN LYSENKO

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Reportedly Russian tanks at the Ukraine border..

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As Reuters reports,

Ukrainian army units came under attack from Russian regular forces in eastern Ukraine on Tuesday and heavy fighting was taking place, a Ukrainian military spokesman said.

 

"In spite of preliminary agreements, Ukrainian military units were attacked in the north of the anti-terrorist operational zone by regular military formations of the armed forces of Russia," the spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, said.

 

"Heavy fighting is continuing near the (Ukrainian army) checkpoints 29 and 31," he said, pinpointing an area near the town of Slovyanoserbsk, northwest of Luhansk.

 

"Ukrainian forces have stopped the advance of Russian troops ... The situation in the conflict zone is serious but under our control," Lysenko said at a news briefing.

 

Three more battalion tactical groups of Russian motorised infantry had been tracked inside Russia heading towards the Ukrainian border, as well as an artillery division, he said.

 

Lysenko's announcement at a specially called news briefing was one of the boldest assertions yet by Ukraine of direct Russian military involvement in the nine-month conflict between pro-Russian separatists and government forces.

 

Despite what the West and Kiev says is incontrovertible proof, Moscow has continued to deny that any of its regular forces are deployed in Ukraine.

As Bloomberg reports,

 

Ukrainian govt claims of Russian troops, equipment entering Ukraine Jan. 19 “absolute nonsense,” Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov says in e-mailed statement.

 

Allegations from Kiev are “hallucinations”: Konashenkov

 

Ukraine studying plan put forward by Russian President Vladimir Putin to withdraw heavy weaponry from conflict zone, RIA Novosti reports, citing Russian Ambassador Mikhail Zurabov

 

Zurabov says Ukrainian comments on plan mostly technical: RIA

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Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:52 | 5684479 Looney
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Today, Russian and Iranian defense ministers signed an agreement to open their ports to each other’s navies.

This is the first time the Russian fleet will be permanently stationed in the Persian Gulf since 1946.

I am curious… What’s gonna happen with the sale of the S-300 missiles frozen in 2010, because of the sanctions? Will it be un-frozen or will it be upgraded to the almighty S-400? Hmmm… ;-)

Looney

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:54 | 5684491 NoVa
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Don't worry - we're in good hands with our Dear Leader Oblamo

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:55 | 5684502 knukles
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This is gettin' like dry humpin' a corpse

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:02 | 5684531 Looney
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...  like dry humpin' a corpse

Would it be Mr. Yellen? ;)

Looney

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:03 | 5684541 NoVa
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Reggie - ?

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:05 | 5684555 kliguy38
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I'd rather dry hump a horse than Grandma Yellen

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:15 | 5684583 El Vaquero
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You're not alone.

A 20-year-old man received probation after he was convicted of having sexual contact with a dead deer. The sentence also requires Bryan James Hathaway to be evaluated as a sex offender and treated at the Institute for Psychological and Sexual Health in Duluth, Minn.

...

He was found guilty in April 2005 of felony mistreatment of an animal after he killed a horse with the intention of having sex with it. He was sentenced to 18 months in jail and two years of extended supervision on that charge as well as six years of probation for taking and driving a vehicle without the owner's consent.

...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17726206/ns/us_news-weird_news/t/man-gets-prob...

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:17 | 5684596 markovchainey
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How can this be considered a free country when you can't have consensual sex with a dead animal?  Madness!  Madness I say!

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:19 | 5684604 Rootin' for Putin
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dead animal mariage rights for everyone!

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:36 | 5684683 NoPension
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Can we still screw fruit? Watermelon is nice.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:38 | 5684692 El Vaquero
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Yes, but you cannot kill it first.  Otherwise, you'll get brought up on charges of fruit cruelty. 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:46 | 5684733 90's Child
Tue, 01/20/2015 - 17:36 | 5685513 HowdyDoody
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The prisoners should spend 3 months cleaning up and helping rebuild the hospitals and schools they have shelled to smithereens.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:49 | 5684760 Bananamerican
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Screw fruit
"Once you go dead deer you'll never "steer" clear"

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:03 | 5684845 Max Steel
Tue, 01/20/2015 - 19:30 | 5685908 Beowulf55
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I like a warm cherry pie........

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:27 | 5684639 general ambivalent
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Well they have been trying to get everyone's libido turned on by whatever's in that Kardashian ass.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:31 | 5684658 El Vaquero
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Neigh, they've been using it merely as a distraction.  Speaking of horse ass, I wonder if they're going to send Kerry into Ukraine to "confirm" that the Russkies are invading?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:30 | 5684654 pods
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Wait:

"as well as six years of probation for taking and driving a vehicle without the owner's consent."

Was this the horse?

pods

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:32 | 5684669 El Vaquero
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With all that is wrong with that story, the question you should be asking yourself is, do you really want to know?

 

Unfortunately, it's one of those news stories that is so outlandish, that once read, it is forever burned into your memory.  You will now and forever associate Wisconsin not with cheese, but with dead horse sex. 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 05:31 | 5687299 mkhs
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Wait.  I thought there was a deer involved.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:07 | 5684823 Manthong
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It appears to be a lot safer having carnal relations with large 4 four legged hooved or cloven-hooved animals that are dead as opposed to ones that are alive.  

I suppose that applies to large two legged cloven-hooved, horned bankers as well.

 Man Dies In Bizarre Case

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:06 | 5684860 El Vaquero
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Yeah, some things just warrant you hanging your head and shaking it.  That guy will forever be remembered as the guy who was killed by a horse cock.  That's one helluva legacy to leave behind. 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 23:03 | 5686739 August
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Just wondering... are Liberatrians OK with laws against horse-sex?

In the past, I thought it was "amusing" that various states had bestiality laws.  FWIW the Great Enumclaw Lethal Horse-Sex case was completely legal when it transpired, as apparently the horse-owner was OK with the whole thing.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 17:40 | 5685523 HowdyDoody
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So what is the official hierarchy of these individuals
Yellen, Lagarde, Hitlery, Psaki, Barf, Rice, Powers, Noodleland? In order of increasing corpsification.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 18:40 | 5685741 Charming Anarchist
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With bags over their heads, what difference does it make?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:03 | 5684539 Abitdodgie
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Let me guess some T72 tanks have been knocked out by Porkys lot (not the one's he just bought off Poland for $8500.oo scrap value )no some real Russian one's honest.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:04 | 5684844 Freddie
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ThE NovoRussians seem to be greasing all these Ukie tanks with RPG-7s.   I am amazed they can take out a tank with those.  They must know the sweet spots.

The Ukraine has/had the 6th biggest land army.  These kids and old men do not want to fight for the criminals in Kiev.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:14 | 5684897 researchfix
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Never send a tank between buildings or even into a city.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:25 | 5685213 ChiangMai
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"I am amazed they can take out a tank with [RPG-7s]."

I read somewhere yesterday ( perhaps on Fort Russ ) that, whenever the situation and location allows, they attempt to simply disable the tank by taking out one track, so that they can utilize it after a relatively minor repair.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 17:09 | 5685389 gallistic
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We like to think we are so modern and our weaponry so great. A good old fashioned HEAT round can quickly end these illusions.

 

I'll let you in on a little secret. RPGs can "grease" US MRAPS and even our vaunted Abrams main battle tanks.

You know what also "greases" our modern MRAPS and Abrams? 1950s Vintage Korean War and 1960s recoilless rifles.

Know what else can "grease" 'em? Old, hand-thrown anti-tank grenades like the RKG, which can penetrate up to 8.5 inches of armor.

Know what else? A crude, hand made EFP with a good copper liner.

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 17:22 | 5685459 NumNutt
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hmmm good information....all noted and stored away for future use when they start rolling those damn things down main street USA.....

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 17:48 | 5685543 HowdyDoody
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I would like to see an American tank stand outside unattended for ~50 years in all weathers and then start first time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmFWuUjkLJY

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 17:53 | 5685563 Freddie
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I wish I could find the video but the NovoRussians/DPR were using an old vintage (I think) recoiless rifle at Donetsk aiport against the Ukies. 

There was another video where they had old stuff from WW2 in storage or even a museum because they were short on weapons when this started.

Givi yesterday after they too out 2 Ukrainan tanks at that bridge was thanking Poland for the AK47 ammo that they captured that the Ukies lost.

Givi and Motorola joke that the Ukraianian Army and their NGO/USA backers provide the NovoRussians with endless ammo and weapons.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d28_1421779623

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2015/01/this-is-too-good-to-wait-for-t...

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 19:38 | 5685869 gallistic
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Yeah, I have seen videos of them using the 73mm SPG9.

It is really about what type of round you use, but that thing is a beast.

A PG-9VNT round has a tandem warhead that can penetrate over 21 inches of armor!

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 19:49 | 5685971 Freddie
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+100

21 inches of armor?  Wow.  It could probably go through the JP Morgan/Fed Gold vault 80 feet underground in Manhattan.

I wonder if tungsten is flammable?  ;-)

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 20:21 | 5685995 gallistic
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It has to be finely shaven and dispersed to get a thermobaric effect ;)

 

 

 

edit- I removed RKG video

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:05 | 5684553 Paveway IV
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Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:08 | 5684562 El Vaquero
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Knucks, the world is rapidly descending into insanity.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:34 | 5684675 NoPension
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Corpse- man, corpse- man!!!!! ....we got a man down!

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:25 | 5684737 Freddie
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The Ukrainain troops lied to yet again.  Here is Givi and we can see the Ukie's get treated better by NovoRussian troops then the Ukies get treated by their own people.  Kiev just lies to these poor cannon fodder bastards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UGTygMhbf-0

I admire these NovoRussian guys. Humble, they do not want to kill their countrymen but they are hard warriors who I would not want to fight.   The Slavs are tough men.

Meanwhile, the US Military, with no clue about their Constitutional oath, does whatever Obamao, the See Eye Aye and State Dept tell them to do.

As long as they can make their payments on the pickup, have NFL ball games and cheap beer and maybe McCain (USS Liberty/Forrestal and ISIS) stops by - they are happy.

They love ISIS McCain.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:36 | 5685264 WhyWait
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Resistance from the US servicemen you denigrate to "fighting for Al Qaida" helped stop Obama from invading Syria in 2013, and may be holding him back now! Check out oathkeepers.org.  I suspect support for their position runs much deeper than than is showing, and that this is helping make our Overlords cautious.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 02:24 | 5686801 August
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 >>>Check out oathkeepers.org.  I suspect support for their position runs much deeper than than is showing

One hopes so.  My son (USMC and police-SWAT career) is favorably disposed to Oathkeepers, but declined to become a member, saying "it's better that they don't know exactly who's in, and who's out".

IMHO it's very important for liberty-minded Homelandistanis to keep open channels of communication with the military and LEOs.  Sure, substantial numbers of them are fascist ass-holes, but large numbers are not.  At some point, the loyalties of the military and LEOs will be extremely important to US residents.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:56 | 5684515 cossack55
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Upgraded to the 400 until the 500 is ready later this year.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:10 | 5684566 q99x2
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With Russia in the harbor Iran doesn't need nukes now bitchez. I think they had them all along anyhow.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:57 | 5684808 noben
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"Today, Russian and Iranian defense ministers signed an agreement to open their ports to each other’s navies"

Now that's what I call a "Warm Water Port": Warmer than Crimea and closer than Cuba. The Russian and US Navy eyeballing each other. Cool! Very shrewd move.

Wait till the Chinese get a port too. Then maybe the grownups will enter the political arena in DC, London and Riyadh, and return some sanity to geopolitics.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:00 | 5684815 zerocash
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Lysenko is the Comical Ali of Ukraine. THERE ARE NO NAZI'S IN UKRAINE AND RUSSIAN TROOPS ARE COMMITTING SUICIDE BY THE HUNDREDS AT THE GATES OF KIEV!

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:46 | 5685048 Consuelo
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"God will roast their stomachs..."   Not their other organs though...

 

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:48 | 5685328 TheFourthStooge-ing
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RUSSIAN SUBMARINES TORPEDO KIEV SUBURBS: LYSENKO

RUSSIAN FLYING SAUCERS STRAFING RIGA: VIEDOKLIS_LV (a.k.a. freedom123)

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 17:14 | 5685436 malek
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+1

Thanks for still being able to find a humorist side to all this bullshit, including those by some commenters

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:05 | 5685148 popeye
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Port access is good cover for transfer of munitions. No-ones going to stop a Russian Navy vessel.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 18:52 | 5685770 COSMOS
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I am sure the CIA will try to get Greenpeace to do it.  I mean they had them try boarding the arctic oil platform not too long ago.  Funny cause Greenpeace sure wasnt in the news trying to board Gulf of Mexico or North Sea platforms.  Huge oil spill by BP but not a single one of the BP rigs did they try to board.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 19:39 | 5685947 popeye
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Greenpeace was very popular here (NZ) in the 80s after the french sank the Rainbow Warrior. We weren't too keen on the French detonating nukes in our backyard instead of their own.

But lately, you'd be forgiven for thinking Greenpeace had shut up shop. Their credibility seems shot.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:55 | 5684489 Fun Facts
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The Ukraine Zio Neo Nazis need a copy of the boy who cried wolf.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:10 | 5684564 Kaiser Sousa
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"how do you know when a Ukranian is lying...?"

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 18:25 | 5685682 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Officer George Green says: "Never cry shitwolf."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3yQqWNv91o

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:14 | 5684578 JohninMK
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To those of us who follow the conflict, Lysenko is known by the English deriviative of his name, Liesenko.

It is entirely apt.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:29 | 5685232 ChiangMai
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Some group keeps count of claims of Russian invasion by any Ukie official.

A recent total: 37 .

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:51 | 5685335 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Some group keeps count of claims of Russian invasion by any Ukie official.

A recent total: 37 .

Is that just for January?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:55 | 5684493 casey13
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If the Russians were in Ukraine then the Ukranian government would no longer be there.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:55 | 5684506 knukles
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Ah, clarity!

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:55 | 5684790 7.62x54r
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I'm sure the Ukrainians will be given the opportunity to drop the lard soon. ( The Ukrainian's favorite "Glory to the Ukraine!" salute sounds an awful lot like the Russian phrase "Drop the lard" )

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=990_1406818978&comments=1

Ethnic Russians in the new republic are quite capable of fucking up Ukes without Russian Army boots on the ground.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:31 | 5684979 Freddie
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I think a lot of the Ukrainian soldiers/conscripts are doing the right thing - surrendering and not playing along.  They do not want to fight for Kiev.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:54 | 5685342 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Funny Ukie comic featuring Obama:

https://pp.vk.me/c623419/v623419639/13d7d/ZOB0LvgW7VI.jpg

translation
Obama: Glory to Ukraine!
Ukie: To the heroes glory!

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 20:33 | 5685495 gallistic
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The United States will fight to the death for what they believe in; right down to the last Ukrainian.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:08 | 5684865 Joe Tierney
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Edith, there ain't no such thing as the mafia and there ain't no Russian troops in east Ukraine....

 

Putin's stealth invasion continues - he doesn't want an open invasion and crushing of Kiev govt - not yet. But with U.S. supplying weapons, Putin needs to prevent a Kiev military victory and starve the West-leaners financially and economically. Let the U.S. and Europe keep bleeding their wealth into Ukraine.....

 

They cannot gain a victory there. In time the entire country will fall under total Russian control.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:46 | 5685044 Consuelo
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That is ~precisely~ what he is doing.   100% correct.

 

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 19:57 | 5685998 Freddie
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Sanctions are really hurting Europe.  When will the Germans call for an election and throw Merkel out?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 21:39 | 5686393 gallistic
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Agreed, man.

The lady is NSA compromised, ZWO damaged goods...

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:15 | 5685182 popeye
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Have you noticed, whenever the Ukrainians are defeated, it was by "Russians", never by the Novorussians. Kiev cannot admit defeat at the hands of their countrymen.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:56 | 5684495 markovchainey
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If the Russians were really attacking the Ukrainians they'd be in Kiev right now.  The neo-Nazi's in Kiev don't stand a chance in a direct confrontation.

Maybe McCain and Nuland can bring them some more super cookies.

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:00 | 5684528 Bankster Kibble
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I had to laugh at Kiev's comments that they beat back the Russians.  Perhaps the statement left out "ethnic", in which case it might be partially right.  The Novorussians briefly took the town of Peski, which the Uke army had used as a base to shell Donetsk, but the army beat them back a little from Peski's western suburbs.  Of course, that was yesterday - today is a different battle.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 17:12 | 5685424 TheFourthStooge-ing
Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:28 | 5684645 fleur de lis
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Our puppetmasters must be in deep panic mode if they have to start taking out movie producers and their families. That is extremely bad karma. 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:31 | 5684651 Doubleguns
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Wonder who declared it a suicide. The guy holding the nail gun?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:41 | 5684699 Abitdodgie
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Gray State was a movie never made only the trailer , it was a psy-op from the get go.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 01:47 | 5687156 Socratic Dog
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No idea if you're right or wrong about it being a psy-op....but isn't that what a deep state agent would say in a place like this?

From a cursory look at one of the links above, it looks like it was on the money to me.  Shame it was never made.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:56 | 5684497 jtg
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Kiev's hallucinations and disinformation will of course be used by the US media's enthusiastic agents for the US Deep State's chaos and savagery agenda.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:11 | 5684571 Jack Burton
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That is a good point. We should look at American media, all major news outlets, TV news and News Papers as simple mouth pieces for the "deep state". It is a proven fact, and new evidence recently came to light in Germany, that the US CIA has hundreds of reporters employed in nearly all major media companies, both as reporters and especiially as editors. Germany has now proven this is the case in Europe too.

So when we watch CNN, we should consider it to be official "deep state" propaganda and brain washing. There is not independent American major media. CIA is active in all media in the USA.

Why do they do this? The "deep State" wants to simply control what you see and hear as so called news. and twist it to the Zionist Neoconservative Agenda, or US Imperial Corporate Agend.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:15 | 5684584 Fun Facts
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The main thing people remember are the headlines. So the zio media will run the headline "Russia Attacks Ukraine", and presto, the donkeys will believe it.

This is exactly how 75% of the American public came to believe that Saddam Hussein was somehow responsible for 911 and had nuclear weapons.

Zio media fraud for idiots. All of it.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:45 | 5684734 Abitdodgie
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Just watch the news on any channel those memonic circles will get you to belive anything after the first couple of times , they don't call it programing for nothing.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:32 | 5684988 Karl von Bahnhof
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He is our Baghdad... err I mean Kiev Bob!

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:15 | 5684587 JustObserving
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"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." -- William Colby, former CIA Director, cited by Dave Mcgowan, Derailing Democracy

And that was decades ago.  CIA/NSA control of media is far more comprehensive and coercive today.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:16 | 5684590 schadenfreude
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Jack, do you have a link for the evidence of emplyed CIA reporters?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:25 | 5684637 JR
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German journalist tells how he was recruited by the CIA (and how the mass-media propaganda is pushing for world war):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp-Wh77wt1o

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:31 | 5684664 schadenfreude
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I know this video. This guy never had any significant appearance in German media. This guy is a no show.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:54 | 5684796 JR
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Perhaps you missed the special news conference that the CIA held explaining in detail where it works behind the scenes in foreign countries, especially pushing the banker agenda mixed with the goals of the state of Israel.Ha! And if you expect that kind of evidence then you want what never will be. In its place, here is a summary of the report by Udo Ulfkotte that you find so insignificant:

Udo Ulfkotte is a unique journalist whistleblower who was paid to write so-called secret information against Gaddafi.

Dr. Ulfkotte, who a well-known veteran German editor, author and writer, has revealed in a new book (and in this video) how he was paid by a CIA–founded Germany intelligence agency to write an article accusing Gaddafi of building a poison gas factory in Libya.

Ulfkotte says the German foreign intelligence, a sister organization of the CIA, came to his office in Frankfort , Germany, and asked him to write the story even though he had no secret information himself about Gaddafi or Libya. The intelligence agency just wanted him to take the information it gave him and write the article under his name, which he did. It was published in Frankfort and became worldwide within two days.

If he had refused, Ulfkotte was convinced the agency would have taken action against his career. He gives an example of what happens to those who refuse to cooperate when approached by the CIA or one of its sister organizations.

The example was a pilot of the Yellow Angels in Germany, a helicopter service for traffic accident. The intelligence agency wanted one of its pilots to stay with the Yellow Angels but secretly to work for them as a non official cover. The pilot say no. So what happened? He lost his job.

A German court upheld the firing saying the pilot’s refusal proved the man could not be trusted.

Dr. Ulfkotte says that he regrets the stories that he has written which were funneled to him in the past from intelligence agencies; “It is wrong…it is not journalism.”

He said he is making these revelations in a book and a speaking tour after 25 years because he has become alarmed that the misinformation journalists are now using against Russia are creating the conditions for a European war. He said that journalists from a number of countries are being used by the CIA and its affiliates for its misinformation articles. He specifically mentioned journalists from Germany, Britain and Israel.

Other countries he specifically mentioned where journalists are taking bribes to be “puppets on the streets for the CIA,” are Australia, New Zealand, Jordan and Taiwan.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:42 | 5685036 schadenfreude
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Ulfkotte was at the FAZ until 2003. Everyone reading FAZ should know the political bias of this newspaper. Maybe or probably he is right in his statements with regards to CIA bought journalists, but after the departure from FAZ his CV is quite strange. I was looking for some evidence, besides this guy, for involvement of CIA.

You and I know that most published media has a political bias, paid by CIA or not, so I research for the "truth TM" by getting informed from different ankles. So, if you have any additional information, besides Ulfkotte, please feel free to share. We both know as well, that RT is a mouthpiece of Russian government. Important is to find the truth between both of the two diametrical views.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:54 | 5685078 malek
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If you preselect evidence purely by your preconceptions, the outcome will not get better in a more unbiased way...

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 18:16 | 5685647 schadenfreude
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if you would stop to judge other people based on your preconceptions you wouldn't appear to be biased as well

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 18:54 | 5685776 malek
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Nobody is unbiased as you seem to have understood.

The only difference is if you want to become less biased, or only want to find selected facts to support your preconceptions.
Shrugging off Ulfkotte and seemingly the whole FAZ in one swipe while not even mentioning which news outlets you believe offer a more balanced view, does not bode well for your direction.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 19:20 | 5685862 schadenfreude
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Your assumption to even know just a piece of me and what I am thinking shows your bias. Ulfkotte might be wrong or right. You and me can take his books and interviews and think about it and draw any conclusions. I just asked for any journalists that I have not heard or read about the topic. So please stop insulting my conscience with your superficial remarks about me.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 19:40 | 5685950 malek
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I am drawing based on what you wrote and didn't write.
You are free to add details of your thinking, especially in concise and connected form.

Please stop insulting the intelligence of the readers here by basically stating "I'm more unbiased then all of you, trust me!"

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 21:25 | 5685726 gallistic
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Shadenfreude, are you really that naive, or are you just sinister?

This is not even controversial. The United States has been doing it at least since the 1950s. I mean, even Wikipedia has articles on some of the better known propaganda projects (only the ones where the documents have been leaked).

Here you go-

The mighty Wurlitzer

"The CIA currently maintains a network of several hundred foreign individuals around the world who provide intelligence for the CIA and at times attempt to influence opinion through the use of covert propaganda. These individuals provide the CIA with direct access to a large number of newspapers and periodicals, scores of press services and news agencies, radio and television stations, commercial book publishers, and other foreign media outlets."

Pentagon military analyst program 

COINTELPRO

Pentagon rapid response operation

A simple 1997 book to get you started

Information Operations Roadmap

 

This is just off the top of my head. It took me about 3 minutes to link to these pages.

It seems you are not serious about finding out the truth. 

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:04 | 5685142 Haus-Targaryen
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Frankfurt 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:27 | 5684970 JR
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Thanks, Max.  And especially for:

“The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” – Former CIA Director William Colby

and…

Busted! Viral Video IDs Man Committing Atrocity During Odessa Massacre (cc, 5 min) -- beating people who were lying prostrate who had just fallen 3 stories out of a burning building during the Odessa massacre.

http://russia-insider.com/en/tv_politics_ukraine/2014/11/05/04-27-24pm/busted_viral_video_ids_man_committing_atrocity

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:52 | 5685062 schadenfreude
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Thanks for the link. I was looking for German journalists on the payroll of CIA, besides Ulfkotte.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:23 | 5684628 JR
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Russ Limbaugh yesterday was saying there is no such thing as media; they are not journalists, they are not investigative reporters; they are just pushing an agenda.

Rush, of course, fails to realize that  he, too, is a tool of the neocon agenda, i.e., favoring Zionist occupation of DC.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:32 | 5684668 pods
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Hannity says it better, with brutal repetitive accuracy:

"Israel has the right to defend herself."

pods

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:57 | 5684503 JustObserving
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Ukraine's lies go off the charts these days - they must be learning from the Nobel Prize Winner:

Ukraine premier’s pro-Nazi version of World War II: USSR invaded Ukraine, Germany


By Lena Sokoll 
19 January 2015

 

In a recent broadcast of “Tagesthemen”, the main newscast of Germany’s ARD public television channel, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk grotesquely distorted the history of World War II, accusing the Soviet Union of having invaded Germany and Ukraine.

Remarkably, this brazen and thoroughly calculated falsehood, designed to promote the myth of a joint German-Ukrainian struggle against a Soviet-Russian aggressor, went unchallenged by the presenter. It has not been denounced by the broadcaster in retrospect.

The interview, conducted with Yatsenyuk during his visit to German Chancellor Angela Merkel on January 7, consisted largely of anti-Russian ranting. Presenter Pinar Atalay’s innocuous and unfocused questions remained unanswered, and only amounted to brief interruptions to Yatsenyuk’s castigation of Putin, Russia and the Soviet Union.

Yatsenyuk said, “Russian aggression in Ukraine is an attack on world order and order in Europe. All of us still clearly remember the Soviet invasion of Ukraine and Germany. That has to be avoided. And nobody has the right to rewrite the results of the Second World War. And that is exactly what Russia’s President Putin is trying to do.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/01/19/yats-j19.html

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:30 | 5684652 schadenfreude
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You are correct. I have watched the interview. But The Tagesthemen is at least one the last of the media newscasts, that still knows the difference between reporting and commenting. They didn't take a stance on Yatsenyuk and that's good, for it leaves it up to the audience to come up with their interpretation.

Last month they had an interview with Putin about Ukraine and they didn't comment on his version of the Ukie scenario either. 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:17 | 5684907 researchfix
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Our ´Tagesthemen´ should change its name to ´Germany Today´.

That would be true in two senses.

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:56 | 5685079 schadenfreude
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At least they give a platform for Putin to tell Russias version of the Ukie conflict.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:56 | 5684510 goldhedge
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Dumb fuck Kiev Nazis.  Too much crying wolf.

NOBODY BELIEVES YOU.

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:02 | 5684533 aleph0
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IIRC , that is now the 39th. Invasion by Russia.

... or Bagdad Bob migrated to Kiev .

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 20:06 | 5686035 Freddie
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Donetsk Prime Minister Zakarchenko giving an update on the battles and speaking to 3 captured Ukrainians during a news conference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TQP_OJ9bm0&x-yt-cl=84359240&x-yt-ts=142...

The older man to his left was out in the field with Givi as artillerry was raining down.  These guys have balls unlike these Gomer Pyle shitheads like Gen Betrayus, Wealsely Clark and other American fu*kups.  What a joke.  America gets taken over and the military helps.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:56 | 5684512 Jugdish787
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tell me true tell me why was Jesus crucified
is it for this that daddy died?
was it for you? was it me?
did i watch too much t.v.?
is that a hint of accusation in your eyes?
if it wasn't for the nips
being so good at building ships
the yards would still be open on the clyde
and it can't be much fun for them
beneath the rising sun
with all their kids committing suicide
what have we done maggie what have we done
what have we done to england
should we shout should we scream
"what happened to the post war dream?"
oh maggie maggie what have we done?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:59 | 5684521 kowalli
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Russian Forces At Border - Again? 0_0
Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:07 | 5684855 noben
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How DARE they guard their own border?

Don't they know that they need to inform NATO and DC of this first?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:48 | 5685058 Freddie
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I think Kiev, the See Eye Aye, FU Nuland, Soros, McCain and the other scum are just stunned because:

1. The Ukrainian Army is hopeless or they don't want to fight.  I believe the latter and they deserve credit for not playing along.

2. The NovoRussians are very touygh bastards who fought in Chechnya and some older guys even in Afghanistan.  Plus that little NGO party in Georgia that the Russian put an end to.

They cannot believe how badly this is going.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 02:03 | 5687174 Socratic Dog
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Freddie, sounds like you're getting a hard-on for the NovoRussians.  In a manly way, of course.  Can't say I blame you, they seem to embody a lot of atributes formerly respected in the now metrosexualized West.  

 Like you say, tough bastards.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 02:35 | 5687203 August
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As a (small) apology for the metrosexualized West, when they come at you incrementally, over many years, via judicial rulings, IRS regs, media attacks, county council actions and similar, it's hard draw a line in the sand.  When they're dropping artillery into your neighborhood, it's a little easier to suck it up, face facts, and do what a man's got to do.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 02:02 | 5687167 Socratic Dog
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USSA doesn't see any reason to guard its own border, so why should anyone else be allowed to see the need?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:59 | 5684522 Rootin' for Putin
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Wow its been weeks since russians invaded ukraine.
What is this now. the 20-something-th time?
Utter bullshit.
If they invaded, first we would know of it would be Putins speech from Kiev.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:01 | 5684534 Bankster Kibble
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I think Kiev counts the aid convoys as "invasions" - in which case there have been 12.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 18:30 | 5685704 jerry_theking_lawler
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Well shit, USSA has invaded every country on the planet (plus a few offworlds too)....but our aid conveys are even better as they have huge blocks of cash and weapons of offence. (why did I say offence, well, the US Constitution says people have the right to bear Arms....and Arms from a late 1700 dictionary is refered to as weapons of offence).....

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:33 | 5684671 general ambivalent
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Coming up to a year now. The Ukrainians will be celebrated as the most powerful army in history, lead by a new Alexander the Great, David, and Spartacus. Undefeated.

Let's hope Samson doesn't show up.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 19:12 | 5685838 smacker
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"... its been weeks since russians invaded ukraine."

Pleeeaase, give 'em a break. I mean, like, it is winter out there. Bad weather causes delays and puts the schedule back.

/s

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 13:58 | 5684524 loregnum
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So a country's government that has repeatedly said the same thing only to be shown they lied. I'm supposed to believe them with this new claim? Riiiiight. Who believes this shit? How many por bastards out there actually put value into what known liars say?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:11 | 5685171 Boxed Merlot
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How many por bastards out there actually put value into what known liars say?...

 

 

After last Thursday, I'd figure several more have joined the ranks of "por" unbelievers.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:13 | 5684530 hotrod
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Can't James Taylor do something

 

Surely one of his songs can help

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:18 | 5684605 quasimodo
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Sure, perhaps he can go over there and sing "Fire and Rain" or "Shower the people".

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:01 | 5684532 Global Hunter
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Their actions will be viewed as provocation by their Russian neighbours, fighting a war against Russians and Russia was and is continues to be a very real possibility/risk for the  Ukrainians from day 1.  So they should shut up and fight and stop running to the media to whine about it events that may or may not have occured.  They should be under no illusions but I really think they are under mass illusion.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:03 | 5684535 Son of Captain Nemo
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Worth the repost.

Where Russian Federation and Al Qaeda/ISIS/ISL finally intersect?!!!

Will the "Brain Fart-in-Chief" announce in the State of the Union that Russia is now officially with the terrorists?

Them Zionist Yids got Chutzpah!

http://rt.com/news/224459-france-planned-attack-russians/

I'll put money that the current ass kicking the NATO/Ukraine alliance is taking in Donetsk will rear it's head in the Secret Chimp's SOU which may include a "link" to je suis Charlie or something like it that is just around the corner!  I'm sure the lie of MH-17 will be part of the speech!

That and what Martin Armstrong says here is expediting it!

 

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:25 | 5685222 NoPension
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Some fresh Lancelot Link episodes right about now would be great.
Lots of material.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 18:57 | 5685785 lakecity55
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"Leisure Suit Barry, Secret Chimp."

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:04 | 5684543 cheech_wizard
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I'm waiting for Mariupol to fall. And in a strange way, I'm hoping Putin puts an end to this insanity by taking Kiev.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:16 | 5684591 NotApplicable
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You sound like NATO.

The end is the beginning is the end...

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:27 | 5684636 Fun Facts
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ZATO wants Russia to shoot.

Putin is smart enough not to shoot.

Ukraine is now a bankrupt corrupt basket case, and the ZATO puppet regime are only going to last until a siege on the capitol takes them out in body bags, the same way they came to power.

Then, Putin will get his puppets installed.

Then again, with everything hot, some sort of accident could easily get the WWIII ball rolling, which would give Nuland and the PNAC revolutionaries orgasms.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:59 | 5684827 cheech_wizard
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Perfect time for the Russians to roll into Kiev will be during the Obumbles SOTU address.

I fought in the Cold War disclaimer: Hey, the above was wishful thinking. As is my last statement. Nuclear war should not only be unthinkable, but those that do think it should have their brains removed.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:13 | 5684886 noben
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"ZATO wants Russia to shoot."

Russia can bring down the Uke/US junta, using Economic Warfare:

1. Call in the overdue Debt, force Default

2. Turn off the Gas, stop Coal and Oil shipments

3. Demand that OECD and UNSC send in UN Observer troops, to document Terrorism and Genocide by Kiev junta/regime against People in Novorossiya (E. Ukraine). Send own "Blue Helmets" in the interim, who openly post events on WWW (Highlights, Reports, Live Streaming).

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:47 | 5685045 JR
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Victoria Nuland's neocon writer husband, Robert Kagan, in a Wall Street Journal piece, couples Putin and Hitler, the former as having “grievances of his own” which should not be responded to in the same way as Hitler’s “grievances” with a “policy of appeasement.”

“Oh, we tried to reason with Hitler, to accept his grievances and seek to assuage him to avoid war,” says Kagan, “but nothing could be done to prevent him from dictating his own terms of an international order. He didn’t think like we did….

 “This searing experience,” continues Kagan, “of failing to satisfy those who couldn’t be satisfied, shaped US policy in the postwar era. We had to be well-armed against the next stirring of the non-liberal, atavistic urges that were a permanent feature of humankind.”

“That 'next stirring' is the ‘threat’ of Christian Russia against which in another unwinnable war Kagan and his tribe with their atavistic urges want to send more Goys to their deaths,” charges Brother Nathanael Kapner:

“The 1832 Russia-US Treaty began with the words, ‘In The Name Of The Most Holy and Indivisible Trinity.’

“But that all came to an end in 1913 when Jewry harassed President Taft out of office for his support of ‘preferred trade’ with Russia and installed their puppet Woodrow Wilson instead.”

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 18:52 | 5685771 lakecity55
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"The NAZI, Robert Kagan."

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 18:02 | 5685607 HowdyDoody
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I think the only way Putin could stop the Novorossians going to Kiev now is to cut off the voentorg (unofficial supply channel) and that would be political suicide domestically for him. The Novorossians have another advantage. They are getting more experienced in fighting as time goes by. The massive losses on the Ukrainian side means their troops are being sent to the front faster and faster, ie they are become less experienced.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 18:51 | 5685767 lakecity55
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You bet. Their conscripts do not have their heart in it. More and more inexperienced soldiers are getting wiped out vs th ethnic Russian freedom fighters.

It won't be long before Kiev calls for ZATO intervention, but, still, Vlad will not shoot. He knows these guys will run out of gas.

And, all he has to do is send a private letter to the Gay Blade in Vichy telling him in no uncertain terms if ZATO invades, the first nuke will wipe out his Gay lifestyle.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 20:38 | 5686144 Freddie
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Here is how fast.  Like the first day and the first battle.  My hope is these kids on the Ukrainian side just surrender because they know Kiev is filled with criminals. These poor Ukrianian kids do not have a clue.  They are going up against guys who have been in dozens of battles and firefights.  Just madness.

It is sad that 1.1 million American boys were killed in another bankster genocide back in 1861.   Too bad they all just said no. 

Tragic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TQP_OJ9bm0&x-yt-cl=84359240&x-yt-ts=142...

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:02 | 5684544 LawsofPhysics
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Heck, this has been downtown (fill in the name of your favorite Russian city in the "borderlands") since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

 

That reminds me, I wonder how much longer Texas is going to keep sending their tax revenues to D.C.?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 16:55 | 5685349 Overfed
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For as long as the NSA has the dirt on their legislators and governor.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 17:42 | 5685529 Blano
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I'm coming to the conclusion that Texans aren't going to do much of anything. Just spout off, then fold like a house of cards at crunch time. It's been very disappointing to observe, since I chose to make this place my last stand. 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 02:10 | 5687184 Socratic Dog
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Should have taken note of the lesson of Waco.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:08 | 5684560 USD Long
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No he was mis-quoted...not rubbish...rubble, that's what we're leaving in Ukraine.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:09 | 5684561 Mike Masr
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Ukrainains are eating hallucinogenic mushrooms!

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:11 | 5684568 1stepcloser
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Those tanks remind me of the best of russian auto wrecks 2014

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhbykkU9A6k

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 18:04 | 5685615 HowdyDoody
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The Russian road system seems to totally lack lane markings. I'm sure a few hundred gallons of paint used to mark lanes would dramatically reduce the 'insane' driving.

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:10 | 5684573 kowalli
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I heard USA want to change president Porky for president Yatsenuk in next month

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 14:55 | 5684800 bid the soldier...
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Wow.

How did Nuland get it so wrong?

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:00 | 5684833 kowalli
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They think that porky is too soft, they need more blood like in Iraq so they will change players...

Tue, 01/20/2015 - 15:52 | 5685063 bid the soldier...
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I think Porko shaves too much.

You don't see Yats wasting razorblades at 40 Hyvernia a pop.

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