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Bill Proposed To Allow Voting Without US Citizenship
Once upon a time, there was a saying "no taxation without representation." Well, in America's transition to an utopia of French or even Venezuelan caliber, for half the population taxation became an anachronism from a bygone era, which in turn meant that representation likewise lost its charm. However, in order to preserve a political system in which the votes of the many are bought with the money of the few or, as the case may be these days, with money printed out of thin air by the Federal Reserve, there was one bureaucratic hurdle: one still needed a US passport in order to vote. However if a newly introduced bill in Washington D.C. passes, one won't even need to be a citizen in order to vote in local elections.
According to the Washington Times, the Local Resident Voting Rights Act of 2015 would allow D.C. residents who are not U.S. citizens but meet the federal definition of having permanent residency status to cast ballots in local elections, including races for mayor and the D.C. Council as well as initiatives and charter referendums. D.C. Council member David Grosso, at-large independent, introduced the legislation Tuesday.
In a statement announcing the introduction of the bill, Mr. Grosso cited statistics from the U.S. Census Bureau that indicate the District is home to nearly 54,000 foreign-born residents who are not naturalized U.S. citizens.
“These are taxpayers who should have the opportunity to have their voices heard in local elections,” he said.
Similar bills were unsuccessfully introduced in 2013 by Mr. Grosso, and in 2004 by then-D.C. Council member Jim Graham.
Neighboring Takoma Park also allows non-U.S. citizens to vote in local elections.
So first one just has to be a permanent resident, then how long until that is diluted to "just a resident", whether legal or illegal. And finally, how long until even illegal immigrant are allowed to vote for president? After all, that would be the endgame for any administration that believes it can buy votes by the million for pennies on the dollar. Thus, ideally, votes of illegal immigrants. Those come cheap.
Seen in this light, Obama's recent "immigration reform" granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants suddenly makes all the sense in the world.
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These people are mentally ill..
Treason. Pure Fucking Treason
never in the history of mankind has the host not been eaten by it's own creations
TREASON
Irrelevant - If voting made any difference it would be illegal.
Well, half the country already voted for an illegal alien to hold office. I guess it stands to reason that eventually illegal aliens would be able vote for U.S politians for public office...
Oh my, what a sad state of affairs...
23% of the population is under 18
they deserve, nay, demand the right to vote
So first one just has to be a permanent resident, then how long until that is diluted to "just a resident", whether legal or illegal. And finally, how long until even illegal immigrant are allowed to vote for president? After all, that would be the endgame for any administration that believes it can buy votes by the million for pennies on the dollar. Thus, ideally, votes of illegal immigrants. Those come cheap.
Seen in this light, Obama's recent "immigration reform" granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants suddenly makes all the sense in the world. = FALLACIOUS REASONING
The recent “Executive Actions” on immigration are in anyway a real guarantee that these new guidelines will be fully implemented: the Secretary of Homeland Security could simply postpone (and even modify or nullify) these procedures if circumstances beyond the agency’s control force to take such approach – viewed from a legal standpoint, Secretary Johnson has indeed the power to issue new immigration directives nullifying the ones enacted on 11/20/14.
This article helps to prove the assertion that the American populace is easy to manipulate and subdue; and that these people are extremely gullible and incapable to think for themselves as well (trained not to think critically).
Democracy would probably work better if only taxpayers were allowed to vote.
In Minnesota with same day voter registration, all you need is for someone to vouch for you that you are eligible to vote. You can bet your lilly white male asses that illegals ARE already voting.
SOTU = Strangle, Oppress, Tax, Undercut
So, pregnant illegal aliens get two votes?
I'm confused.
It is time to refresh that tree of Liberty again.
It's OK though, our AG said it was OK to take your Billy-Clubs to the polls...
I'm guessing that illegal alien will be on their "honor" not to fill out the national or state ballot while voting in the local election. The Dems have a long historyy of trying to get anyone with a pulse to the polls. The Motor Voter Act is a prime example of this, as is early voting. I'm sure they had the endgame of giving illegals driverrs licenses in mind when they engineered the Motor Voter Act. Likewise, if you have a license, no one will bother checking what kind it is before you vote. And if you do check, you're labeled a racist.
Get on the page. US citizenship status is a non mattering fact.
The mattering point, the crustiest bit, is US citizenism. This has been the case since 1776,July,4th.
What if they gave an election, and nobody voted?
Has never happened in the history of man. Right, wrong or rigged, someone always benefits from an election.
If voting didn't make a difference, then the Dems wouldn't have been against people showing ID when voting. You fucking need to show ID for everything, everything but voting in the US. We're all Dems now, I want my slice of the socialized pie before it's all over and the ass kicking starts.
What socialized pie is that?
Apple. I hear that it's going to be Apple.
There is a metric fuckton of presumption in your statement.
What exact slice of the pie is yours? Exacty monetary figures please
How much of that pie actually exists?
Do the Democraps really care, or are constructing a reverse psychology strawman?
The fuckton presumption for many people has been to play by the rules, until they discovered that it's a rigged game. My slice is whatever I can get for nothing out of the elite, by bullshitting and playing their own game until it's over for them. I don't expect the Democraps or anyone else to "care" about my well being, never expected it, I just didn't expect to get screwed over by their caring. Bless their heart.
If I want to w/d over $500 in cash, I have explain why. If Iwant to wire money to daughter in college, I have to detail my relationship to her and tell the fucking bank teller what the eventual use of the funds will be... Voting, not so hard.
Agreed. This is just a sideshow to promote the illusion that there's anything at stake.
I'll bet we're supposed to be distracted, too. But from what?
Not quite irrelevant. The illusion voting provides is extremely important.That illusion is failing and the powers that be desperately need to shore up this institutional ritual with more believers.Voting won't change anything but if people don't have their dissatisfaction channeled into safe pointless exercises like voting things get problematic.
Calm down, folks. In Europe it's completely normal that non-nationals can vote in local elections. Why not? If they live here, they pay taxes and are affected by political decisions - so they should vote, too. The "permanent residence" thing is necessary for everyone, whether national or non-national - also makes sense, for practical reasons.
Don't scream if for once they do sth that makes sense.
Negative is the new positive!
Anyone dares to think outside the box here?
So SMUKSTER, I've got a couple of questions for you. Germany decided in 2012 to modernize its 1912 constitution by modifying the somewhat paternalistic law of 'jus sanguinis' so that not only the children of a native-born MALE German were legally entitled to full German citizenship, but that now also any children born before 1975 of any FEMALE native German would also fully qualify as German citizens as well. You see my mom was German, like you (your bio states). But there was a catch. In order to qualify for citizenship one had to be able to speak fluent German at the C5 level, which for those here who have no idea what that means, is at "the highest technical level, fluidly and without pause, and without syntactic or grammatic error'".
Now I speak passable German. I've got a great accent derived from my childhood experiences growing up in Germany. Three of my four grandparents were even native-born German speakers, and yet at age 67 I will never achieve the requisite adequate language skill to pass an exam at the C5 level and acquire my rightful citizenship. But you are telling me that some 19 year-old dark-skinned muslim from Somalia that hops a transport ship from Bengazi and makes his way to Baden Baden can apply for housing, job training, and monetary subsidies AND THEN VOTE FOR MAYOR.!!!!!!!!
And you snidely suggest this is "thinking outside the box". If you are truly serious and who you say you are then Deutschland is truly dead.
So let me give you a little german language lesson. I find your handle, SMUKSTER, somewhat curious. Schmutz, schmutzig = dirt, dirty! Schmuck (on the other hand) = jewelry, adornment. However the German yiddish cognate Shmok means something quite diffferent. It is very vulgar even among Jews. It means penis and the english cognate is "family jewels". So just what kind of a "fancy PRICK" are you anyway. And why are you masquerading on ZH this way after being here a mere 35 weeks? I really want to know.
I don't really believe you are German, unless you work at Langley or the CIA training camp in Garmisch.
Correction. Three weeks and five days (not 35 weeks). My hasty and sloppy reading! I suggest you change your handle if you wish to continue posting on ZH!
So because they do it in Europe, it's ok?
And there is nothing in this bill that requires the voters to be taxpayers.
Europe is looking great!
it should all be over soon...
Paul Schulte, Schulte Research says Europe has no liquidity in countries like Italy, Spain, France... and has bad corporation problems with bad assets.
The tendency is to have questionable value on derivatives and questionable value on Assets.
Christine Laguarde (guard of the Realm) and Angela Merkel are not doing their Jobs.
Report Cards for Banks were a sham, no one wanted to look at the too big corporations & Banks.
3 weeks 5 days
Fuck off troll.
Everyone has to learn sometime.
And hey, then there's folks like me who've already had an account banned (W74) for telling TOO MUCH truth, more than even ZH'ers could handle.
For the record I downvoted the guy becuase I disagreed with his statement/ideas, not because he's a troll like MillionDollarBaby. Maybe a couple people agreed, and what are we if not a site for the free discussion of ideas?
Is that you Francis Sawyer ?
For the record, non-citzen voting is normal in New Zealand, as are non-citizens serving on juries.
"Lawful permanent resident" does the trick for voting, as for taxation.
Could you cite specific laws and countries where this occurs? And the frequency of crimes committed by Muslims and the Roma along with this? Thanks.
what else would you expect from someone who claims to hail from denmark. lol
This is SPARTA not "europe". @smukster
Europe is really nice until it is not. Ever been to Buchenwald or Treblinka? Here is the deal. There is not enough for everyone. Resource wars are afoot. It’s them or us. Whoever them or us are. Nationalism is rearing its head again. Europe is about to be ethnically cleansed.
For local (not state or federal) I have no objection to taxpayers voting. If someone is paying taxes (and not a token/nominal amount but an amount at least equal to the top 50%) then they should have a say in how their money is spent.
If that denies the vote to the bums that are local born or denies the vote to foreign born bums that got citizenship after some amnesty 20 years ago then I don't give a fuck.
Would you rather the upright and hardworking Korean shopkeeper get to vote or the dumb crack whore? Because under the current system the ho votes on how to spend the shopkeepers taxes.
I don't like the word treason because it is badly misused but this really does qualify and will push things considerably closer to the edge.
I LOVE the word TREASON; and it's not used nearly enough on the prime time TV news and events.
SOTU = Shit On The Union
If US thinks it has the right to fuck about anywhere on the planet that they feel like, this makes perfect sense.
Proud to stand with you on your position and comments to this issue knukles. You are correct.
Some late comers on this site that disagree, - do not understand the value of US citizenship beyond dollars and cents.
There was a time at least two generations ago that a neturilized citizen could not accept US citizensip under oath, before renoucing allegience to any country other than the United States. That provision should have never been abandoned.
Oh they simply want to tap into a new pool of folks to tax, turning it into "no representation without taxation."
My uncle lived in Chicago. He voted for Republicans until the day he died. Since then he
votes for Democrats and usually more than once an election.
I lived in the US for years as a resident alien, and you can bet I paid through the nose without any invitation to pick my favourite clown.
Were you forcibly brought to America against your will? Were you tricked or duped into coming here, believing you would be afforded full voting rights simply because you showed up and took one of our jobs, saving us the trouble of actually exporting it to your homeland?
Fucking sign up for the full package, or shut up, or better still, get the fuck out.
Funny you should ask: I was there on a foreign research grant, reluctantly contributing money to your economy and +1 to your bogus employment numbers. I would have happily remained a nonresident alien, but the IRS rather insisted it was entitled to a cut of my worldwide income.
Just pointing out another inconsistency in this strange fantasy that there's some principle of taxation being linked to representation. And rest assured I jumped ship first chance I got, took my capital elsewhere. I'm probably a mexican, arab, or russian anyway, so don't sweat it.
Are you saying that you voted when you where a Lawful Permanent Resident? Where and when did this happen? could you tell us please?
Personally, when I get the invite to vote for my favourite clown, I decline.
If you vote you are complicit in the crimes of government.
Duh. DC is a shit hole already. This is simply a logical next step in filling of the shit hole
What the hell is next? Women and blacks voting. We are going to hell in a hand basket.
Why not let the gays vote then? This is just wrong.
Yeah why the hell not. We already know the dead get to vote. But it's treason
Probably the whole concept of *humans* voting is a dead end. Look at China, they're on top!
We should have equal protection under the law. No one should be treated differently, no one should be afforded special considerations, be it for race, religion, sex, or income. And there should be a constitutional ammendment to eliminate ANY redistribution of wealth...period. Sure we can fund projects that are for the common good, but not individuals. Not groups or classes. Build things, yes. Pay people to provide services, yes. But not one fucking dime to an individual in redistribution, welfare, or insurance.
Your sarcasm would work on the likes of forrest gump. I cant believe you got as much upvotes as you did.
How far down the slippery slope do you want our country to slide? Voting rights have been refined and made fair over the years, but we have to draw the line somewhere to preserve the interests of actual citizens of this country. The interests of many in our country are being watered down by the interests of the liberals, who are out to ensure that theyre in power to the end of time. Opening up cheap votes for those not entitled who will most assuredly vote democratic is playing the numbers game, and will ultimately serve the interests of non-american countries, not us red blooded contributing peeps who desire to see the dream of our founding fathers maintained and substantiated.
Its all about long term sustainability, which the democrats have no interest in. Your lack of understanding about this is a working example of how hoodwinked and inept our country is as a whole.
LOL. The original idea in the USA was for property owners, male and non-negro, to vote. And yes we are well on our way to being baskettized. Does anyone really believe the white property owning males would have elected Barry Obama ? for Zorba the Greek.
No. The racists, the fearful, and the ingorant white women are why he won the election, assuming you still believe our elections are honestly and fairly conducted.
The same bunch of voters will side with Hitlery or Jebby, just watch.
No....... mentally ill is when they say we can count our sperm as a vote.
My girlfriend swallowed all my votes.
mine too. ;-)
No, they have about 130 IQs and the majority of Americans are fucking retards.
Who are you talking about; and why are you so ill-informed ? There is no population group that has a median of IQ130. (IQ147 and familiar with the subject).
Aussie politician dealing with another matter gives a fine description of Obama.
"You can polish a turd for as long as you want, it's always going to be a turd," said Senator Lazarus.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-governme...
WTF!!! Time to sandpaper the skin off these ruling elite elected political turds, dunk them in a concentrated solution of salt & vinegar, then drop them from C-130s over ebola infested countries.
Very creative, I think the CIA's torture division might have an opening for you dren....
They allowed foreign Nazi's to vote-in the new Ukrainian government! What's the big deal?
/sarc
They allow foreigners into the government. Admittedly they rubber stamp citizenship after the event.
I'd have to disagree, they know exactly what they are doing, and they do it because the know real American can see through the false illusions all of the innumerous "fixes", that were never intended to work but rather only to extract more political class money to waste, via legislation has created (An American Free Slave System). They need idiots / tax slaves, that's the part people aren't seeing, Americans are being replaced by new calves they plan to slaughter, and the political class doesn't care if everything goes to crap, they will simply say "Next...."
There is a reason why they freed the slaves, it's just that most people just don't get it.
Full retard Bananna Republic with Nukes.
You can always pay half of the poor people to kill the other half.
Didn't some American kid in the 80's build a nuke?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091472/
Yea, John Lithgow talked him down.
/sarc
Although it's been done.
You're extremely ignorant. it has not been done. and if you're an engineer we're really in trouble.
No; he did not. your ignorance is embarrassing; please take ten years off from typing and read books.
Hillary must need the Illegals. What the heck let's elect foreign people as president too. Oh, we already did.
If Hillary is elected will she work in the Ovum Office?
I've heard rumor that she prefers the Oval Orifice.
"There ain't nuthin uglier than an old white woman." Fred Sanford
...and one that's a carpet chewer at that...
"There ain't nuthin uglier than an old white woman." Fred Sanford
...and one that's a carpet chewer at that...
Yep red/blue team. We'll win any year now 'Murica!
What university did you graduate from with what Engineering degree ? Be Specific. Or are you a train driver ?
So.... how many other countries allow this? We can be the first? How lucky is that!!! WTF
Many many others. You're just catching up to the modern world.
Anyone who makes any attempt to legislate any aspect of 'catching up to the modern world"; should be publicly horsewhipped and stripped of office.
I thought they already voted without citizenship...?
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
This would truly mean the end of USA!
Well, you take what you can get.
YOUNEVER HAVE ENOUGH AMMO!
Tattoo that on your forehead hump.
Nobody gets out alive.
You a man or are you a sheep?
10-4; roger that. If you run across a couple of PKM's, will you send me one ?
Will dead immigrants still be able to vote too?
My dog sleeps about 20 hours a day. He has his food prepared for him. He can eat whenever he wants. His meals are provided at no cost to him. He visits the doctor once a year for his checkup, and again during the year if any medical needs arise. For this He pays nothing, and nothing is required of him. He lives in a nice neighborhood in a house that is much larger than he needs, but he is not required to do any upkeep. If he makes a mess, someone else cleans it up. He has his choice of luxurious places to sleep. He receives these accommodations absolutely free. He is living like a king, and has absolutely no expenses whatsoever. All of his costs are picked up by others who go out and earn a living every day. I was just thinking about all this, and suddenly it hit me like a brick in the head: "Holy shit, my dog is a Democrat!"
(from The Virginian blog)
"Holy shit, my dog is a Democrat!"
Just another hunter-gatherer liberal.
apparently you didn't read the post; the dog is neither hunting nor gathering.
That has nothing to do with innate behavior.
The dog doesn't create a positive sum economic system, it lives off of one created by someone else.
Oh no! They will get to vote for one of the tools the bankers have chosen for us! Bummer man!
What states require proof of citizenship to vote?
What states require proof of citizenship to vote?
See Voter-ID laws.
Also see voter fraud statutes that make it a felony.
Here ya go:
http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx
Seven states require photo ID! Thanks for the link LOL!!!!!
Vote early and often.
This is good news. as a non us citizen, i will come to your locale and vote whichever way you choose for airfare (1st class), 1 weeks hotel and meals. Whenever you want.
Dead folks do it for free.
dammit, theres always someone trying to undercut you
Why not propose a bill to give everyone, I mean EVERYONE, $5,000,000.00 tax free on or retroactive to April 16, 2015.
They are beginning to understand how much they are despised by citizens; so the answer is to allow non-citizens to vote.
You bet they want this, non-citizen landscapers and housekeepers offer cheap labor and votes.
In the old days in Rome, non-citizens were hung simply for using public roads and public utilities without permission.
well if my vote don't count can I at least count on the fact that Juan and Xi Chen's vote won't count either? This might bring me some small measure of comfort....
< Yes to Lawful Permanent Residents (Tax-Paying, Law-Abiding, Property-Owning Green Card holders)
< No to Lawful Permanent Residents (Tax-Paying, Law-Abiding, Property-Owning Green Card holders)
For perspective, note that it was not that long ago, that all you had to was come off the boat, be one of these types of people, and you were IN. Even without "Papers". What say you?
Should this group of people just obey the law, pay taxes and have NO say as to what's done with their money? Or should only those lucky-by-birth SNAP and EBT people have a vote on how tax money get spent on more SNAP and EBT? See my point?
Your point is well taken and I agree with you. However, let's keep in mind how a candidate gets on the ballot in the first place. Voting is pointless if the outcome is already predetermined. Side A wins; they win. Side B wins; they win. By the time most prople go to the polls they have already lost. I speak from experience.
I concur with your point.
I would however ask that people consider a slightly differentiated view, in that Green Card holders at least vote in Local or State elections, so they have some "say" in how their tax dollars are spent. IMO.
+1 You are correct. My wife is a green card holder so I am very familiar with what you are suggesting. To be honest, do you know what really pissses me off? Under U.S. federal tax law, if my wife of 11 years decides to leave and go back to Russia and work that she will be liable for not only Russian income tax but also U.S. income tax EVEN if her green card expires and she stays there for the rest of her life. Once you get a green card you will always owe the U.S. Treasury on any income no matter where you earn your money. This link will get you started but you already seem to know about it. What a scam.
So why not become a citizen? I don't understand why people would come here and then complain about not getting a vote yet not caring enough to become a citizen. Given our country IS a nation of immigrants, does anyone here think the laws are as they are because we hate immigrants? How about laws regarding residency to hold office? Do we hate immigrants there too? We want people to vote that are fully vested in this country, not just passing through. The number one problem we have is the lack of long term thinking. No one seems to give a shit about five years down the road. People who are not staying should not be able to influence laws that will be on the books, with consequences in some cases lasting indefinitely. We are extending constitutional rights to illegal aliens, yet legal citizens see their rights evaporating away. The fact that we have brain dead natural citizens eating us alive is in no way a justification for even more dilution of our rights.
Simply stated it is expensive to becomes U.S. citizen. There is another side to consider as well in that my wife does not want to be a U.S. citizen. She's a Russian and that is a big deal to her. I sure as hell am not going to tell her what to do regarding her heritage. If she does not want to be a U.S. citizen then she does not have to be. Our children are technically dual citizens if you get right down to it and they have their papers all in order and they can travel with no visa requirements in case of a need for a bugout. Me? No, I am not moving. I only want them out of the way in case issues occur. There really is no use in seeking U.S. citizenship for her. As far as that goes let her green card expire and what exactly will they do about it with two natural born U.S. children? We have carefully created a legal nightmare for .gov.
A lot of respect for your personal situation. As someone who understands your wifes perspective, she will obviously do what is right and in her heart.
The issue of citizenship is a very personal one for many. To some its just dollars and cents. To others, despite our many problems, it is a dream come true to become a US citizen. It goes beyond ones original culture and it does not mean abandonment of that culture. In many situations immigrant age at the time of coming to the US plays a major factor.
No matter how one looks at it, being able to vote and legally claim US citizenship must have some value. If all it means is dollars and cents - than the concept of what it means to be a US citizen is trully lost on most of us as citizens.
"No matter how one looks at it, being able to vote and legally claim US citizenship must have some value."
You missed the point.
Maybe its too simplistic but I do not understand people who come here yet are so protective and possessive to their home country. My father was a first generation German yet fought Germany in WWII. Do you think he or my grandfather were out waving German flags in parades? They came here because they wanted to be Americans, not for a job.
Its a strange phenomenon that I think says a lot about America today compared to a hundred years ago. Going from one of seeking freedom and becoming American, to one of looking for a job or some other short term engagement for immediate gains. And we wonder why we have no future.
I understand what you are saying but my wife is Russian and she wishes to remain that way. I have no problem with that. You really can't define who is person is by a line on a map after all. I think what AngusMcHupenis said was the best: "There are no borders". He is correct. What is the love of borders all about anyway? You really should not have to even think about it but .gov says we do.
people tend to form tribes and then war with one another. I don't know how much of that is nature and how much is manipulation. I just don't think we can afford to ignore borders, anymore than we can leave our doors unlocked. Obviously your wife believes in borders or at least nationalities so why is she here? No disrespect intended. Just don't understand. For a society to be peaceful and functional, it requires a significant level of mutual values and perspectives,,,or else we end up like we and many other countries are today. I can't help but wonder how peaceful Japan would be today with their problems, if they had our cultural mix. Like it or not, those countries, or groups if you prefer, will aggregate their interests and their power and tend to force it onto even more. We see it everywhere,,,from communism to religion to even democracy, everyone is using force and manipulation to advance their agenda. I hate what nationalism can do, but I also understand that if we live in a world without borders from some utopian point of view, those borders will be drawn by someone, and probably not to our liking. America has enjoyed a lot of prosperity and I think it is largely based on an ideology of unity that has a preserved it, and the loss of that unity is what is destroying it.
Note that you said "lawful" but imply that includes ILLEGAL aliens. And fresh off the boat, they were quarantined and went thru processing that gave them papers. Notice that's conspicuously absent in your little utopian scenario.
That is a snide comment you made in your last sentence Pickleton. Perhaps you would care to explain how candidates end up on a ballot in the first place? Please tell us how that process occurs where you live. I will fill you in on a little secret, I have been a GOP state delegate twice and and GOP officer twice including being a treasurer. I am currently a DFL delegate and technically, I broke the law because I became a DFL delegate while a being a GOP officer. Aww... I'm so sorry about my egregious crime against humanity. The GOP sent me a new membership card anyway. It is still on the countertop in the kitchen. It looks like I can be member of both parties at the same time. Perfect.
Never once, from either party at any convention, have I ever been asked for ID or proof of residency. Yet that was where my vote really counted because instead of millions of votes you are now down thousands of votes and in some cases down to one single vote. I was involved as a delegate in a thrilling debate over the candidates we would endorse for state representive and it was tied at the first vote. 17 votes and nine hours later it was finally over. I didn't even get an "I Voted" sticker for that but I did have a headache.
The moral of the story is that by the time you go to vote at the November polls it has already been decided. I would be curious to hear of your political experiences Mr. Pickleton.
I said LPR (Lawful Permanent Resident) aka Green Card holder.
Those people are put through the paces: Full Police and FBI background check and Biometrics (full palm/hand print), Birth Certificates with Apostille (notarized by the issuing Gov authority itself), Work and Residency history, Income history. Police reports from country of origin. The full nine yards.
I know of Western Europeans who had their local cops have a good laugh when they asked to be fingerprinted and checked by Interpol, just to comply with USCIS requirements. Oh, and they had to have a Medical Exam with Chest X-Ray print (as seen on TV). You'd think they were applying for a job in Langley.
And they need a US Sponsor: employer who is offering them a skilled job. It helps if they have a US Person sponsor them also (new US wife), or family member who is a US Citizen.
If you get a Green Card, it's a Conditional Card, which means that you have to let USCIS know if you change employer or address. After one year of this "probationary Green Card", you must apply to have the Conditional status removed and you then get an Unconditional Green Card for 10 years, whereby you don't have to "report" anymore. Anytime you get a Drivers License, out comes the Green Card.
Finally, and this is good to know for all ZHers, a "US Subject" means either a US Citizen or an LPR/GreenCard person. IOW, 'FATCA' applies to LPRs also, since they have US Person status with a US address. They are, effectively, 'Second-Class Citizens'.
It is also interesting that for those LPRs who do decide to take the next step and become First-class US Citizens (USCs), they do not have to give up the citizenship of the country of origin. They can, if fact hold multiple citizenship. Eg. A Jewish person born in Russia, who first emigrates to Israel, and then to the US, usually has 3 citizenships: Russian, Israeli, and US. Now 3 sovereigns can brand you as their own Grade A Prime Taxpayer meat, but only the IRS will chase you across the globe as to your Income.
p.s. If you get a Green Card, you can get your USC after only 1 year (instead of 5 years, or 3 years if married to a USC), if you enlist in the US Military. This means that during the Application and Final Interview process, the "Lookback Window" of where you've been and what you've done is only 1 year. This is a really sweet deal for some guys, who would not pass, if the Lookback Window were 3 or 5 years.
Do you think that what you described is a good deal for US Born US citizens. If yes - Why?
Do you think that the Federal Reserve Bankster System is good newworldorder? Central banking is a shitty deal for all of us no matter where we were born. We are not going to listen.
What you say is accurate noben. You have obviously been through the whole process because not many people know what you just posted means or how hard it is to do.
This makes sense. The United States is now a country of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations. What we refer to as "citizens" are in reality merely the property of the government. The "citizen" property is allowed to vote as well as non-citizens because voting is useless and irrelevant. As "Red Emma" Goldman said "If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal."
Reason enough to discourage young people from going into the armed forces.
Let the multinationals fight these conflicts with their employees.
you will now rise for your corporate anthem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gej6SKHF7gw
No taxation without representation. Since under FATCA anyone who is considered to be a US person is liable to US taxes, even if he is not a citizen, even if he is not living in the US anymore, pretty much anyone who has even looked at the US on Google maps falls under the broad definition, they have the right to vote. It is their money too Uncle Sam is spending, right? Overreach works both ways. If you don't like it, you should have been so complacent the past 20+ years. Now shut up and eat it.
Well, why not? Dead people vote!
No taxation without representation, remember?
Well they should carry their ass back to whatever hell hole they came from and be represented and taxed more fairly ;-)
What a beautiful dream; unfortunately t hey're needed to make sure wages never rise. i'm still who I used to be; it's just me again. every once in a while i get kicked off; t hey don't tell you why, so i don't know who to apologize too; or for.
I thought those half-assed computerized Diebold machines already automatically vote in favor of the .gov no matter what you or I vote?
Irregardless, and for all intensive purposes, What's the point with DieBold doing the voting? It's a mute point. I beckon.
Please take this constructively - the word is 'regardless'. Pet peeve - sorry
It's also, "for all intents and purposes". Intensive purposes.... Uuuugh. And then the "I beckon" thing too. Fucking country is through. Well, at least it's comforting to know he likely votes too.
At least I got 'mute' correct, wright?
Geniuses, change your mockery batteries.
No, it is actually "moot."
Pint taken
normal mortals don't get it,
good for you.
NO actually you didn't even get "mute" right; you scored at about a 5th. grade level in reading and writing skills. Congratulations. Maybe you should take up another hobby, other than typing; like knitting.
Who really gives a shit. Our votes don't fucking matter at all.
Voting is the opium of the masses.
If voting changed anything, they would outlaw it.
Our votes don't fucking matter at all.
Bullshit. People get exactly what they vote for. every.single.time. Remember, when you talk about a third party, even republican retards utter that utterly idiotic tripe, "You're voting for a democrat if you vote for a third party", while they tell you that you simply MUST vote for candidate X whose no different than candidate Y.
There is no third party. There is the DemRepub party and a few other entities that don't count.