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Bill Proposed To Allow Voting Without US Citizenship
Once upon a time, there was a saying "no taxation without representation." Well, in America's transition to an utopia of French or even Venezuelan caliber, for half the population taxation became an anachronism from a bygone era, which in turn meant that representation likewise lost its charm. However, in order to preserve a political system in which the votes of the many are bought with the money of the few or, as the case may be these days, with money printed out of thin air by the Federal Reserve, there was one bureaucratic hurdle: one still needed a US passport in order to vote. However if a newly introduced bill in Washington D.C. passes, one won't even need to be a citizen in order to vote in local elections.
According to the Washington Times, the Local Resident Voting Rights Act of 2015 would allow D.C. residents who are not U.S. citizens but meet the federal definition of having permanent residency status to cast ballots in local elections, including races for mayor and the D.C. Council as well as initiatives and charter referendums. D.C. Council member David Grosso, at-large independent, introduced the legislation Tuesday.
In a statement announcing the introduction of the bill, Mr. Grosso cited statistics from the U.S. Census Bureau that indicate the District is home to nearly 54,000 foreign-born residents who are not naturalized U.S. citizens.
“These are taxpayers who should have the opportunity to have their voices heard in local elections,” he said.
Similar bills were unsuccessfully introduced in 2013 by Mr. Grosso, and in 2004 by then-D.C. Council member Jim Graham.
Neighboring Takoma Park also allows non-U.S. citizens to vote in local elections.
So first one just has to be a permanent resident, then how long until that is diluted to "just a resident", whether legal or illegal. And finally, how long until even illegal immigrant are allowed to vote for president? After all, that would be the endgame for any administration that believes it can buy votes by the million for pennies on the dollar. Thus, ideally, votes of illegal immigrants. Those come cheap.
Seen in this light, Obama's recent "immigration reform" granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants suddenly makes all the sense in the world.
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Sure there is. How do you think Clinton got elected with less than 50% of the vote?
We can have a democrat, a republican and a libertarian running for office and a conservative will never be seated again in public office.
The election law should prevent any more that two people running for any office. It should be done through a series of runoffs until there are only two left with the dominant votes. It is not right that one perspective can have a majority support yet lose the election to a minority perspective simply because the majority vote was split by two candidates. If the runoff process was allowed to happen we would not see as much resistance to alternative party candidates by the primary parties. As it is, they are always a significant threat due to dilution.
Just like The Voice! Right?
I don't think the proposal is that unreasonable.
How about we let green cards vote for $100 per election?
How about we let everyone vote for $100/ballot, limit 25, first one free to registered citizens, your money back if not satisfied, and a set of steak knives if you buy five in advance.
i write code, what no spiderman towel?
And pay poll workers a commision, a dollar a vote to split among the crew, see them out on the sidewalk hawking the election, "Step right up, ladies and gentleman, decide your fate, guide the path of the government, express yourself, chicks dig it, sir, I can see you know that, step this way and I'm sure you'll want ten ballots at least, I can see it in the way you smile, thank you sir, ..."
I have to say I agree with the proposal - if you pay income taxes - you can vote. If you don't pay income tax no vote - let's roll this out nationally
That's a good idea ghost, that's why it will never come to fruition.
I know - can't help myself on the obvious idiocy of the 'criteria' posed by the guy.
I'm new on the site and have to say that this is really helping my marriage. By posting here instead of 'sharing' at home - I have reduced the eye rolling to a livable level.
Keep coming back....it works if....ah fuck it.
Shabby idea. Once one had to own property to vote. Income? Piffle!
I didn't say income - said pay income tax. Big difference. How does a guy who "owns" property and pays no income tax and is a net recipient of government payments rate higher than a renter who pays net into the coffers? You're either pulling the sled or enjoying the ride.
So property taxes don't count? You can pay mine. How is a property owner "a net recipient of government payments"? Did I miss out on another give away?
Simply paying taxes is not an adequate reason for voting. Yes it is a consideration, but our primary issue is "ownership". Do illegals who work here for two years have ownership of this country. Will they even speak English? will they ever become legal citizens? Does it matter if anyone can come here and lay claim to what they will and we have nothing to say about it? They can vote in laws giving themselves legal status? Who's fucking country is this,,,or is it just a roadside rest stop with pay toilets?
fuck-it
you should have to prove you have a fucking brain.
no voting unless you own a house, paid for free & clear.
the bankers already told you over and over
that they own everything including the
government. it is the money .....
We should all have a direct vote in every decision that effects you individually. We no loner need representatives, they are in the way and we can make better decisions. If you are not effected by a proposed law, you should be allowed to vote on it. If you don't own property you should be able to vote on taxing property.
If your government treats you like property, that is what you are.
There are no citizens.
faggots should have their citizenship revoked and no way no how should anybody be allowed to vote or bear arms or anything else that goes with citizenship.......
Should dual citizens be allowed to vote.,,,etc. ?
They already run this country. What's not to love about split loyalty? Especially when the majority of the dual citizens in government and finance hold their dual citizenship in a particulary cherished and idolized country.
To know who rules over you, look to those you are not allowed to criticize.
In this country, that category includes, blacks, illegal immigrants, tribe, and gays.
What a country! (in my best Yakov Smirnov voice).
Can there be really any debate about the true motivations of these people? Welcome to Club Oligarchy.
Elect a new people.
PS: The votes don't matter anyway when you're given a choice only between Tweedledum and Tweedledee....
Bob Dylan - Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum (Dumb & Dumber)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afp_kTaksMg
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Guns and Butter
"Russia, Belarus, France, Greece - The World Rebels Against Wall Street Rule" with Webster Griffin Tarpley
Western Alliance Discipline; Geopolitical Terrorism; Deflation and Depression; $2 Quadrillion of Derivatives; Austerity Measures; the Sequester; Capital and Exchange Controls; Greek Election; Reverend Pinkney Prosecution.
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http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/110541
Elect a new people.
MB
Which essentially translates into burning it down to the ground and starting over!
I use to think taking out Washington would do it, but I know that the voter ultimately is the one that has always been to largely to blame for their indifference!!
At the rate "Lance Link" is moving with the Russians that may be a self-fulfilling prophesy that will take care of itself rather easily if we keep doing what we're doing!
I came to the US on a green card and couldn't vote (or own a gun) until I was naturalized. That all seemed perfectly reasonable to me and I don't see why the rules should be changed. In the process of naturalization, I was required to study the history of the US and it was then that I discovered the the Constitution of the United States - that work of unmatched genius which separates the US from every other country in the world. I was proud and happy to change from being a 'subject of her majesty' to being a 'citizen'. However, since then (it was many years ago), I have watched in dismay as the Constitution has been ignored, usurped, and betrayed by our 'leaders' in Washington. The 'Great Experiment' is much too valuable to be betrayed by statist scum. To be an American is special. The Bill of Rights is unique. We must defend it at all costs from all enemies foreign and domestic.
As have those of us Americans who have bothered to pay attention. Admittedly, it has required more than attention...thick skin, as those who extoll our constitution are relegated to the role of idiots and extremist haters to be feared and demeaned.
lemme guess... lemme guess .. you are white?
Clearly Mr Grosso has not looked at the tax stats lately. 50% of the 'taxpayers' actually pay negative taxes, meaning they get paid by the government (with other peoples' money) just for filing. Between food stamps, unemployment, aid to dependent children, rent support, earned income credit, credit for voting Democrat, etc, these 'taxpayers' get money back at tax time. So don't call them taxpayers; the term is tax takers. So we should let them vote for more socialist 'income distribution' programs? We already have more takers than payers. The only thing holding up this ponzi is the Fed's printing press, continually expanding the debt and debasing the money, while funneling all net GDP to the banks and the government. What a plan. Treason is still a crime against the citizens, and it starts with the Fed.
Fishhawk
@Mandel Bot: you should have studied the second constitution (of the United States of America). Since the 14th Amendment, the original Constitution has become irrelevant, as it does not apply to 'US citizens,' who are actually debt slaves in voluntary contract with the corporation known at the United States of America, Inc. Welcome to the USSA, 'citizen.'
Fishhawk
we still have the separation of powers.
"Once you steal all the money at the top...there is nothing left for the below."
Why not? Foreign dark money already finances our politicians' campaigns
nevermind....no one cares!
Legalize their status, then let them vote ... and ... voila!
Vote with your feet DC fans
Uh, you guys are getting this all wrong. This is actually a proposal to greatly democratize political power and decentralize it. This will make local elections 10x more important than the national elections - which is how they should be.
Residents? They have to be residents? And you call that jusctice???
Anybody, no matter where they live (or are buried), ought to be able to vote in U.S. elections.
SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER!!!
Fuck you.
If you want to live here, come here legally and don't bitch about the rules.
If you don't like the fucking rules become a citizen and change them.
Fuck you and everyone like you.
Better make Washington D.C. its own nation and then invade that fucker,
Guess I'm in the minority on this one, but this doesn't bother me.
If you have to hand over part of your income to government, you should be able to vote - for what little fucking good it actually does you when both parties are bought and paid for.
I say fuck it. Let them vote.
Print to eternity, give the house away.
Let's go full retard and crash the fucker.
Print 1 trillion a month.....give away healthcare, give away free cars, give away free houses....let's just do it up!
Elections should be decided by a coin flip, heads they win tails we lose... Its a big club.
@El Hosel
That would be as meaningful as the present system of choosing a president from a small pool of pre-selected losers..
Who cares, Mehico Norte will be awesome. Donkey shows in every town. Drunk drivers killing everyone on the road. News media's headless corpses hanging from overpasses. Tamale vendors out of every trunk. Mota everywhere.
Si jue!
Looks like Mr. Grosso needs to be taken to the front porch of the Capital building, tied to a post, and be publicly beaten to death.
Doing ths will serve as a lesson to other like-mnded politicians.
How many City States are we aware of?
- Wash DC
- New York City
- London
- Geneva, Switzerland
- Luxembourg?
- Frankfurt?
- Paris?
- Brussels, Belgium
- Moscow, Russia
- Beijing, China
- Shanghai, China
- Hong kong, China
- Singapore, Singapore
Hey anyone know anything about the Family Kong behind the Hong in Hong Kong?
- Concentrated Power
- Concentrated Control
- Concentrated Banking
- Concentrated Legislative Power
- Concentrated Lobbying
- Concentrated MIC HQ
"YES" HE CAN!!!!
does anyone know who owns the
two political parties in the united states
of america? yes, owns the parties. that
does imply and mean that the politicians
in those parties are owned too, every word
and heart beat, owned. does anyone know
the names of the owners?
this information is in the realm of the knowable,
perhaps unspeakable but knowable.
rumsfeldian...
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House GOP Welcomes Architect Of Bush Deficits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsmqvr9OlMA
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"stuff happens". d.c.
Who's the architect of Obama's deficits?
who is the architect of all of the
deficits? the answer is always the
same, the "owners of the assets".
(this is complicated by the systems,
factors and forces of en-force-ment)
ality, tech-nolo-gy
ji.
the architect is socialized charity called "state welfare"..you don't get to pick if you have any spare cash ...and you don't get to pick whether it's your kids or someone else's you give it to
i say the architect is the self
as it resides in good grace.
Of course everybody in the world should be allowed to choose the leader of it. sarc.
This is treason of the highest order.
Fuck
it
all
we deserve what we get,
heads separated from necks
fuck me
un
fucking
believable
This muthafucka needs to get shot. This is treason.
it depends on what your definition of
the word "person" is, is, is; according
to one particular omnivorous and omnipotent
decision, think "money" and exchange, fading,
in a suspicious charade mate.
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Leon Russell - This Masquerade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn-br0h4rZk
Somalia voters huh?
Mostly in and around Clevelend and Cincinatti.
Why are you guys even talking about this? It isn't going to happen. However, I will admit that it's appalling that it's even been brought up.
Why are you guys even talking about this? It isn't going to happen. However, I will admit that it's appalling that it's even been brought up.
you have to earn the right to vote...
no taxation without representation is now bass ackwards....
no representation without taxation..
you contribute nothing, you don't get a vote..
fuck occam's razor
lol you think this is America pre-Teddy Roosevelt or something? My friend, this is Obamamerica where the 1% rule and the rest of the pleebs suck on the government teet for their daily dose of fluoridated GMO high fructose corn syrup soilent green.
I'm confused, the illegals already vote. Why do they need a new bill to pass. They all just select the D column anyhow....
It actually just doesn't fucking matter!
Remember, it is not about the votes, as they steal any, and all elections they need anyways.
No it's about the division it sows in the American people.
If we, the American people, are divided, and further divided against a group of imported outsiders, they can continue to rob and enslave us.
The banksters need to repay us.
Always about money, power, and division.
Don't let them take it. Don't let them have it. Don't believe it.
Listen folks, the main statutes concerning immigration are Title 8 and The Walter-McCarran Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. Read those two items and you will have a better idea of how immigration is supposed to work. In Title 8, voting by anyone other than either a natural born or naturalized citizen is illegal! These people in the District of Columbia are committing a crime! Time to prosecute these people and throw away the key.
If voting could solve any issues, it would be illegal.
Let's pass a bill that makes it illegal to vote if you are a citizen. Then we'll see some real changes.
Arnold for President!!!!!!
Yea, that's where this is leading.
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK AM I PAYING TAXES FOR?????
Personally I think it's a great idea.
I would add that we should also allow those who are impacted by ALL the policies of our elected elite the power to vote, not just taxation. After all they too are affected by the results.
Give the vote to Pakistani's, Yemani's, Somali's, Iraqi's, Afghani's and all those subject to drone stikes (ordered by same elected officials) and I'm all in!
If we're going to kill them, they should also have a say so...........just sayin....
Icarus
WTF?
Dumb whitey put the black muslin cretin in WH
Quantative easing of votes does not work in the ballot box either. But politicians do both.
When Idiots rule...
Following Boehner's recent action, this makes sense, and I think the next step may be - votes for all The Tribe and Netanyahu for President!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/01/21/netanyahu-address...
Fuck it, just show up to vote...everyone...it's not like the results matter. Vote early and vote often.
"........one still needed a US passport in order to vote....."
Flat Wrong, and Demonstrates a Complete IGNORANCE of the Law....
A Passport has never been needed, nor would be, for Voting Per Se, is based on STATE LAW, Not FEDERAL LAW....
Many aspects of the RIGHTS and OBLIGATIONS of Citizens are based on STATE LAW, not FEDERAL LAW.......
Corporations for example, are based on the STATE LAW under which they are Incorporated, NOT FEDERAL LAW...
As a matter of fact it is well settled, VOTING is NOT a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, and never was.....
This is Fundamentally what the the TENTH AMENDMENT is all about.....and it is indeed as important as the SECOND AMENDMENT......
It is Articles like this that PROMOTE IGNORANCE and Undermine the very "Liberties" many here wish to see respected.....
KNOWLEDGE is not only POWER, but the Greatest Guarantee of Liberty...