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"If You Question Authority, You Are Mentally Ill", Report Finds

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Submitted by Pater Tenebrarum via Acting-Man blog,

Only the Sheeple Are Sane

This post is about an issue that is by now a bit dated (though the topic as such certainly isn’t), but we have only just become aware of it and it seemed to us worth rescuing it from the memory hole. In late 2013, the then newest issue of the American Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM for short) defined a new mental illness, the so-called “oppositional defiant disorder” or ODD.

As TheMindUnleashed.org informs us, the definition of this new mental illness essentially amounts to declaring any non-conformity and questioning of authority as a form of insanity. According to the manual, ODD is defined as:

[…] an “ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior,” symptoms include questioning authority, negativity, defiance, argumentativeness, and being easily annoyed.

In short, as Natural News put it: According to US psychiatrists, only the sheeple are sane.

Every time a new issue of the DSM appears, the number of mental disorders grows – and this growth is exponential. A century ago there were essentially 7 disorders, 80 years ago there were 59, 50 years ago there were 130, and by 2010 there were 374 (77 of which were “found” in just seven years). A prominent critic of this over-diagnosing (and the associated over-medication trend) is psychologist Dr. Paula Caplan. Here is an interview with her:

Allen Gregg in conversation with psychologist Dr. Paula Caplan

As MindUnleashed notes:

“Are we becoming sicker? Is it getting harder to be mentally healthy? Authors of the DSM-IV say that it’s because they’re better able to identify these illnesses today. Critics charge that it’s because they have too much time on their hands.

 

New mental illnesses identified by the DSM-IV include arrogance, narcissism, above-average creativity, cynicism, and antisocial behavior. In the past, these were called “personality traits,” but now they’re diseases. And there are treatments available.”

 

Edward Abbey

Edward Abbey on what happens when no-one ever stirs things up

 

There is an obvious danger involved with such loose definitions such as the one employed in identifying the alleged illness of “ODD”. A chilling example was provided by the Soviet Union in the 1960s and 1970s. In a 1959 speech, Nikita Khrushchev made the following remark:

“Can there be diseases, nervous diseases among certain people in the communist society? Evidently there can be. If that is so, then there also will be offenses which are characteristic of people with abnormal minds. To those who might start calling for opposition to communism on this ‘basis,’ we say that now, too, there are people who fight against communism, but clearly the mental state of such people is not normal.”

Obviously, questioning the best socio-economic system ever devised had to be a sign of insanity, and after Khrushchev’s speech Soviet psychiatrists immediately went to work to discover and institutionalize all those mentally ill “communism deniers”.

The road to what followed had already been paved in 1951, when in a joint session of the USSR Academy of Medical Sciences and the Board of the All-Union Neurological and Psychiatric Association, several leading neurologists and psychiatrists were accused of pursuing an “anti-Marxist and reactionary” deviation from the teachings of Pavlov. The session took place on Stalin’s behest so as to “free Soviet psychiatry of Western influences”.

The psychiatrist who wrote the policy report associated with this purge was Andrei Snezhnevsky, who invented (err, “discovered”) a new mental illness, which he termed “sluggish schizophrenia”. After Khrushchev’s 1959 speech, the term was widely adopted and the illness was diagnosed throughout the Eastern Bloc. The symptoms of the alleged “illness” were such that even the slightest change in behavior patterns could henceforth be interpreted as a sign of mental derangement. Political dissent was for instance considered to by a symptom of “sluggish schizophrenia with delusions of reform”.

Snezhnevsky personally signed a decision declaring several prominent dissidents legally insane – among them also neurophysiologist Vladimir Bukovsky, who was the first to expose and criticize the abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union and spent altogether 12 years in prisons, forced labor camps and locked up in psychiatric hospitals for his efforts.

Snezhnevsky’s theories became the only ones acceptable in Soviet psychiatry, and it was obviously held to be quite dangerous to oppose them. Ironically, in 1970, one year before Vladimir Bukovsky managed to smuggle out 150 pages that documented the silencing of political dissenters with the aid of psychiatry in the Soviet Union, the American Psychiatric Association named Snezhnevsky a “distinguished fellow” for his “outstanding contribution to psychiatry and related sciences” at its annual meeting in San Francisco.

 

Andrei Snezhnevsky

Soviet psychiatrist Andrei Snezhnevsky, hero of socialist labor, owner of two Orders of Lenin as well as four Orders of the Red Star and USSR state prize.

Photo credit: tapemark.narod.ru

 

Money and the Invention of new Categories of Disease

There is a basic problem with psychiatry and psychology: they are largely thymological, as opposed to natural sciences. If you break your arm and visit 10 different medical doctors, you will get the same diagnosis from every single one of them – they will all tell you that your arm is broken. A standardized treatment exists for dealing with a broken arm.

Make a list of psychological problems you are experiencing and visit ten different psychiatrists, and chances are very good that you will receive 10 different diagnoses coupled with 10 different proposals for treatment (including prescriptions for very powerful psychotropic drugs). Genuine severe mental disorders may be connected with chemical imbalances in the brain to some extent (no conclusive proof for this actually exists), but by and large there is little that can be objectively “measured”. The psychologist or psychiatrist must largely rely on the same ability that also characterizes the work of the historian – i.e., what Mises called “understanding”. They can only judge behavior.

So why have so many former “personality traits” been transformed into symptoms of mental illness? One major reason is money. Here are a few data points that shed light on the monetary side of the psychiatry business; the data are by now slightly dated, but they suffice to get the point across. As of 2010:

Global sales of anti-depressants, stimulants, anti-anxiety and anti-psychotic drugs had reached more than $76 billion per year.

 

Globally, 54 million people were taking anti-depressants that are known to cause addiction, and often violent and homicidal behavior.

 

In the US, 20% of all women were taking mental health medication in 2010. Essentially every fourth female is prozac’d into quietude.

 

20 million children worldwide had been diagnosed with mental disorders and were prescribed stimulants and/or powerful anti-depressants.

 

In 2002, more than 100 million prescriptions were written for anti-depressants alone (cost: $19.5 billion nominal)

 

In France, one in seven prescriptions is for a psychotropic drug and more than 50% of the employed were taking such drugs (as of 2010, 1.8 million people).

 

Between 1986 and 2004, combined spending on anti-psychotic drugs and anti-depressants jumped from $500 million to $20 billion.

 

In the US, the mental health budget, adjusted for inflation, has soared from $33 billion in 1994 to $ 80 billion in 2010 (similar increases have occurred elsewhere).

(data via Stefan Molyneux)

Stefan Molyneux whom we got the above data from also reports that according to the US National Institute of Mental Health (in 2010) “26% of Americans suffer from mental illness” and “nearly 58 million Americans will suffer from an episode of mental illness in any given year”. There you have it – we’re literally surrounded by lunatics. As Molyneux rightly points out: if there is a disease for which we have effective cures, then application of this cure should reduce the prevalence of the disease.

For instance, a number of infectious diseases have been nearly, or completely exterminated by effective vaccines. We should therefore expect that with the arrival of psychiatric medications that allegedly “correct chemical imbalances in the brain”, there should be a decline in the number of mentally ill people. The first such medications were introduced in the mid 1950s. So what happened? In 1955, there were 355,000 adults confined to mental hospitals all over the US on account of being diagnosed as mentally ill by psychiatrists. After 50 years of medical treatment with anti-psychotic drugs, that number has risen to more than 4 million patients (as of 2007). Some success!

While the prescription of psychiatric medications to children soared from the mid 1980s to today, so did the number of youth receiving disability payments from the government for mental disability. It rose from 16,200 in 1986 to 561,569 in 2007 (a 35 fold increase). It appears that all those meds prescribed to “ODD” and “ADHD” children have had the exact opposite effect from that advertised.

 

Mentally disabled in the US

Number of Americans disabled by mental illness since Prozac was introduced.

 

Again, there exists no convincing proof as of yet for any chemical, biological or genetic causes of mental illness. The categorizations found in the DSM are arrived at by “peer consensus”, not by any objective measurements. And yet, drugs that alter chemical balances in the brain are prescribed as treatment. The greater the number of new diseases manufactured by said consensus, the more treatments can be prescribed. As Dr. Thomas Dorman, internist and member of the Royal College of Physicians of the UK, and Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada, put it:

“In short, the whole business of creating psychiatric categories of ‘disease,’ formalizing them with consensus, and subsequently ascribing diagnostic codes to them, which in turn leads to their use for insurance billing, is nothing but an extended racket furnishing psychiatry a pseudo-scientific aura. The perpetrators are, of course, feeding at the public trough.”

It is not too difficult to see the enormous monetary incentives that are driving this business of declaring as many people as possible to be mentally ill. There no longer is such a thing as a harmless “eccentric”. Any deviation from the norms laid out by the psychiatric profession mean one is in need of treatment. Only the sheeple are sane.

Stefan Molyneux’s podcast on mental illness from which we have taken most of the statistics presented above can be seen here:

 


Stefan Molyneux on mental illness.

 

Freethinkers Medicated Into Silence by Good Serfs

However, there may be another reason why anti-authoritarianism specifically has made it onto the list of behaviors held to be symptomatic of mental illness. Psychologist Dr. Bruce Levine has laid the problem out in an article entitled “Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill”. A few pertinent excerpts follow below. First Dr. Levine explains why there seem so few anti-authoritarians in the US. The reason in his opinion is that many have been medicated into silence:

“Anti-authoritarians question whether an authority is a legitimate one before taking that authority seriously. Evaluating the legitimacy of authorities includes assessing whether or not authorities actually know what they are talking about, are honest, and care about those people who are respecting their authority. And when anti-authoritarians assess an authority to be illegitimate, they challenge and resist that authority—sometimes aggressively and sometimes passive-aggressively, sometimes wisely and sometimes not.

 

Some activists lament how few anti-authoritarians there appear to be in the United States. One reason could be that many natural anti-authoritarians are now psycho-pathologized and medicated before they achieve political consciousness of society’s most oppressive authorities.”

(emphasis added)

But why does this happen, apart from the monetary incentives discussed above? Why are psychiatrists so eager to medicate anti-authoritarians into a stupor? In Dr. Levine’s opinion, the reason is that the career of most psychiatrists involves an extraordinary degree of compliance with authorities, to the point where they are not even aware anymore of how obedient they have become. When confronted with patients who aren’t exhibiting a similar degree of obedient behavior, they immediately suspect that there is something to diagnose and treat:

“The selection and socialization of mental health professionals tends to breed out many anti-authoritarians. Having steered the higher-education terrain for a decade of my life, I know that degrees and credentials are primarily badges of compliance. Those with extended schooling have lived for many years in a world where one routinely conforms to the demands of authorities. Thus for many MDs and PhDs, people different from them who reject this attentional and behavioral compliance appear to be from another world—a diagnosable one.

 

I have found that most psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals are not only extraordinarily compliant with authorities but also unaware of the magnitude of their obedience. And it also has become clear to me that the anti-authoritarianism of their patients creates enormous anxiety for these professionals, and their anxiety fuels diagnoses and treatments.

(emphasis added)

 

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I see before me words you should not have written…”, by Raymond Pettibone, the cover artist of punk band “Black Flag”.

 

In connection with ODD diagnoses, Dr. Levine not unreasonably asks “Do we really want to diagnose and medicate everyone with “deficits in rule-governed behavior”?”. As he points out, many of the people who have enriched humanity with revolutionary new scientific concepts, inventions or works of art, would have been diagnosed as mentally ill anti-authoritarians in today’s day and age and may well have been medicated into a such a daze that their creations would never have seen the light of day. He cites Albert Einstein as a pertinent example:

Albert Einstein, as a youth, would have likely received an ADHD diagnosis, and maybe an ODD one as well. Albert didn’t pay attention to his teachers, failed his college entrance examinations twice, and had difficulty holding jobs. However, Einstein biographer Ronald Clark (Einstein: The Life and Times) asserts that Albert’s problems did not stem from attention deficits but rather from his hatred of authoritarian, Prussian discipline in his schools.

 

Einstein said, “The teachers in the elementary school appeared to me like sergeants and in the Gymnasium the teachers were like lieutenants.” At age 13, Einstein read Kant’s difficult Critique of Pure Reason—because Albert was interested in it. Clark also tells us Einstein refused to prepare himself for his college admissions as a rebellion against his father’s “unbearable” path of a “practical profession.” After he did enter college, one professor told Einstein, “You have one fault; one can’t tell you anything.” The very characteristics of Einstein that upset authorities so much were exactly the ones that allowed him to excel.”

(emphasis added)

 

albert-einstein-messenger-portrait

It is probably a good bet that a Haldol-addled Einstein wouldn’t have excelled at much. Well, he even looked crazy: theoretical physicist and reputed anti-authoritarian Albert Einstein, who invented a few unimportant little formulas like E=mc2. Rumor has it he also invented gravity, which we have been struggling against ever since.

Photo credit: Getty Images

As Dr. Levine points out, once they are diagnosed as mentally ill, anti-authoritarians are especially likely to become victims of a vicious cycle:

“Many anti-authoritarians who earlier in their lives were diagnosed with mental illness tell me that once they were labeled with a psychiatric diagnosis, they got caught in a dilemma.

 

Authoritarians, by definition, demand unquestioning obedience, and so any resistance to their diagnosis and treatment created enormous anxiety for authoritarian mental health professionals; and professionals, feeling out of control, labeled them “noncompliant with treatment,” increased the severity of their diagnosis, and jacked up their medications.”

(emphasis added)

Dr. Levine then concludes that the direction in which the system has evolved is indeed reminiscent of a “Sovietization”; just as the ruling classes once employed an authoritarian religious establishment to enforce compliance with the status quo, they can nowadays rely on psychiatry to do the job:

“What better way to maintain the status quo than to view inattention, anger, anxiety, and depression as biochemical problems of those who are mentally ill rather than normal reactions to an increasingly authoritarian society.

 

[…]

 

So authoritarians financially marginalize those who buck the system, they criminalize anti-authoritarianism, they psychopathologize anti-authoritarians, and they market drugs for their “cure.”

(emphasis added)

Evidently the system provides ample scope for both intentional and unintentional abuse.

Conclusion:

In order to prevent misunderstandings, we should point out that we don’t want to assert here that there exists no such thing as mental illness, or that psychiatry is completely useless in diagnosing it or providing effective treatment. The same holds for psychotropic medication: there certainly exist medications that can be helpful in alleviating symptoms of severe mental conditions and allow people to lead fairly normal lives that would otherwise be out of reach for them (i.e., we don’t fully agree with Stefan Molyneux’s conclusions; this is simply based on the fact that we personally know of two cases in which appropriate medication helped people exhibiting severe symptoms associated with schizophrenia).

However, it is important to realize that the sciences dealing with the human mind are thymological in nature and cannot make claims based on objectively measurable physical quantities. And yet, the field has turned into a “growth industry” in every respect; the number of behaviors regarded as “abnormal”, as well as the number of medications prescribed for treating such behaviors has grown exponentially. This is a dangerous development and the fact that almost every quirky personality trait is suddenly deemed a sign of disease is certainly giving one pause (it is dangerous in several respects: consider for instance the great number of mass murderers who were prescribed psychotropic drugs. Correlation is not always causation of course, but still…)

The psychopathologizing of anti-authoritarian behavior is yet another step on what looks like an increasingly slippery slope and it strikes us as especially harmful. As Dr. Levine inter alia points out: “It has been my experience that many anti-authoritarians labeled with psychiatric diagnoses usually don’t reject all authorities, simply those they’ve assessed to be illegitimate ones.”

In other words, the term “anti-authoritarian” does not necessarily stand for a blanket rejection of all authorities, but rather a healthy questioning of the legitimacy of existing authorities. This seems all the more necessary today, when governments in the name of providing all-encompassing security (a task at which they are predictably failing) are seeing fit to let individual liberty die a death of a thousand cuts.

 

street art, Montreal

Anti-authoritarian street art that has unexpectedly popped up on a wall in Montreal.

 

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Wed, 01/21/2015 - 16:55 | 5689573 Itchy and Scratchy
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Rose are red'

Violets are blue,

I'm a schizophrenic,

And so am I

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 00:50 | 5691227 TeethVillage88s
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Rose are red'

Violets are blue,

I have smelly Urine,

And so do You.

Gave u +1, but you forgot the /S or S/

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 16:55 | 5689576 forrestdweller
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This is complete nonsense. ODD is a childhood mental disorder. You will not be diagnozed with ODD for being anti-authoritarian. One is being diagnozed ODD for being deviant en oppositional to everything and everybody, not listening to anybody, going your own way even if this is in your own diasadvantage, harming others.

an anti-authoriatarian person is a free and independant thinker that decides for himself or herself who is the authority and who is not, and who to listen to and who not to listen to. One cannot function is live not listening to anybody and completely doing everything the way you want it. that would make you an antisocial personality. 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:10 | 5689648 Just Take It All
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can't have people running around being "anti-social" can we?  one of us.  one of us.  one of us.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:31 | 5689976 Wish Doctor
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This is complete nonsense. ODD is a childhood mental disorder. You will not be diagnozed with ODD for being anti-authoritarian. One is being diagnozed ODD for being deviant en oppositional to everything and everybody, not listening to anybody, going your own way even if this is in your own diasadvantage, harming others.

Thank You!  But "ODD" was in DSM IV and made obsolete by DSM IV TR  so the ZH article is pure rubbish.

http://behavenet.com/node/21490

Diagnostic criteria for 313.81 Oppositional Defiant Disorder
These criteria are obsolete. DSM IV - TR

(cautionary statement)

A. A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present: 

(1) often loses temper 
(2) often argues with adults 
(3) often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules 
(4) often deliberately annoys people 
(5) often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior 
(6) is often touchy or easily annoyed by others 
(7) is often angry and resentful 
(8) is often spiteful or vindictive 
Note: Consider a criterion met only if the behavior occurs more frequently than is typically observed in individuals of comparable age and developmental level. 

B. The disturbance in behavior causes clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning. 

C. The behaviors do not occur exclusively during the course of a Psychotic or Mood Disorder. 

D. Criteria are not met for Conduct Disorder, and, if the individual is age 18 years or older, criteria are not met for Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Reprinted with permission from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision. Copyright 2000 American Psychiatric Association

DSM IV

(cautionary statement)

A. A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present: 

(1) often loses temper 
(2) often argues with adults 
(3) often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules 
(4) often deliberately annoys people 
(5) often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior 
(6) is often touchy or easily annoyed by others 
(7) is often angry and resentful 
(8) is often spiteful or vindictive 
Note: Consider a criterion met only if the behavior occurs more frequently than is typically observed in individuals of comparable age and developmental level. 

B. The disturbance in behavior causes clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning. 

C. The behaviors do not occur exclusively during the course of a Psychotic or Mood Disorder. 

D. Criteria are not met for Conduct Disorder, and, if the individual is age 18 years or older, criteria are not met for Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Reprinted with permission from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition. Copyright 1994 American Psychiatric Association

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:41 | 5690019 Just Take It All
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the fact that such frequent "revisions" are necessary tells you what you need to know about all of this.  fashion and fads with a pretense of science.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:55 | 5690069 Wish Doctor
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the fact that such frequent "revisions" are necessary tells you what you need to know about all of this. fashion and fads with a pretense of science. yes, of course.

Absolutely!  There's very little or nothing in medical treatment that's scientific.

How can it be science when there are different "schools of thought" as you find throughout medicine?

And it now seems I was wrong in saying ODD is gone from the DSM.  It's put back in DSM V under Conduct Disorders http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/changes%20from%20dsm-iv-tr%20to%20dsm-5.pdf

.

 

Four refinements have been made to the criteria for oppositional defiant disorder. First, symptoms are now grouped into three types: angry/irritable mood, argumentative/defiant behavior, and vindictiveness. This change highlights that the disorder reflects both emotional and behavioral symptomatology. Second, the exclusion criterion for conduct disorder has been removed. Third, given that many behaviors associated with symptoms of oppositional defiant disorder occur commonly in normally developing children and adolescents, a note has been added to the criteria to provide guidance on the frequency typically needed for a behavior to be considered symptomatic of the disorder. Fourth, a severity rating has been added to the criteria to reflect research showing that the degree of pervasiveness of symptoms across settings is an important indicator of severity.

Oppositional Defiant Disorder

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 00:03 | 5691148 Tall Tom
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Thank You!  But "ODD" was in DSM IV and made obsolete by DSM IV TR  so the ZH article is pure rubbish.

 

And it is in the DSM-V which just MODIFIES the DSM-IV definition...

 

http://www.brainphysics.com/lifestyle/diagnosis/new-in-dsm-5-a-chapter-on-disorders-of-self-control

 

DSM-5 Oppositional Defiant Disorder Changes

Oppositional defiant disorder is characterized by repeated angry, defiant, disobedient behavior with authority figures.

  1. Unlike previously, an individual can now have both conduct disorder and ODD. It was originally thought that a person might graduate from ODD to conduct disorder but could not have both.
  2. Symptoms such as aggressive behaviors must now be demonstrated more than one time per week to be considered abnormal.
  3. The criteria now have a severity rating indicating a behavior’s degree of pervasiveness across different settings. This rating will reflect whether an individual, for example, displays defiant behavior with one parent only or with all adults.

 

Your post was DISHONEST from the start...

 

So go and FUCK YOURSELF.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 00:44 | 5691222 TeethVillage88s
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Thanks for that. People are messy. Relationships are messy. Nonfiction is stranger than fiction. Marriages are messy. Adults engage in many behaviors that the government writes laws against. It doesn't mean that those in power can decide what is normal in the spectrum of human behavior.

- Uniform Behavior makes adults very competitive in Corporations, and Governments
- But uniform Public Behavior can cover up every normal thing that happens when two young adults get together and have kids, and those kids learn about life with their young inexperienced parents
- It is Military, Fascist, Chinese, Corporate, or Idealistic to think Adults or Children behave in a "Set of Acceptable Behavior"

- He who is without sin can throw the First Rock - Seems like a conservative view that government & Ideologues should adopt at all times... they need to get out of the Human Family completely

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 01:46 | 5691282 Tall Tom
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He who is without sin can throw the First Rock..Seems like a conservative view that government & Ideologues should adopt at all times... they need to get out of the Human Family completely

 

You cannot be more correct. Government has no business in Family matters.

 

A toast to Freedom and Liberty is well overdue.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 01:53 | 5691294 TeethVillage88s
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Yes, a toast it is.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 05:05 | 5691438 beaglebog
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Erm ... no.

 

That's exactly how "science" works.

 

You run with a theory, until it is disproved and replaced with a better theory.

 

To do otherwise would make you  ... a "fundamentalist"  ... a "flat-earther" ... a radical Islamist.  Well, you get the idea.

 

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 02:30 | 5691331 OldPhart
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As a child I was considered rather odd.  Didn't do drugs, stayed out of trouble, did well in school.  Most would consider me now, as an adult, as rather odd, I don't lie, steal, cheat, have had exactly one wife for thirty eight years.  I even have a job.  And I'm definitely ODD.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 16:54 | 5689577 Smiley
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Oh great, off to reeducation camp I go.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:12 | 5689662 gamera9
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Better yet Can finally apply for disibility from the governmemt and cannot be disriminated against. Let the Marches beggin

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 16:56 | 5689578 lakecity55
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Man, everyone from the NAZIs to the Reds have always used that "If you question Authority" thing. And lots of people were murdered.

You can flip it around, too: if Chalky had not questioned Hitlery's 'authority' to score the nomination, he would not be pResident now!

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 16:54 | 5689580 BandGap
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Been listening to Black Flag for 30 years, still have the vinyl versions.

Screw this, the last straw.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:29 | 5689719 Bunghole
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I've got a six-pack

and nothing to do,

I've got a six-pack

and I dont need you!

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 00:08 | 5691155 BandGap
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My girlfriend asked me which one I liked better

I hope my answer doesn't upset her

SIX PACK!

Maybe I am crazy.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:34 | 5689998 ThroxxOfVron
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"Been listening to Black Flag for 30 years "

Yeah.  Once and anti-authoritarian always an anti-authoritarian.

FYI, I'm more of a Dead Kennedys kind of asshole where it comes to my Cali punk discography...

Fear's The Record still kicks ass.

RIP Darby Crash and all that...  ( proud middle finger )

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:32 | 5689584 e_goldstein
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Wed, 01/21/2015 - 16:58 | 5689587 JRobby
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They will put Prozac and the like in the water, the bottled water, the drinks, the stew etc. to get the desired effect: UZLP

Unmotivated

Zombie

Like

Populus

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:29 | 5689732 jimmytorpedo
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They are already doing that JRobby.

It's called fluoride.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:37 | 5690007 Cathartes Aura
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aye, the tap water has been "heady" for years now,

There’s a good chance that if you live in an urban area, your tap water is laced with tiny amounts of antidepressants (mostly SSRIs like Prozac and Effexor), benzodiazepines (like Klonopin, used to reduce symptoms of substance withdrawal) and anticonvulsants (like Topomax, used to treat addiction to alcohol, nicotine, food and even cocaine and crystal meth).

 

AND then there's the chlorine, fluoride, and who knows what else they don't even test for. . .

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 20:44 | 5690490 L Bean
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...birth control pills.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 16:56 | 5689589 Chupacabra-322
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So I'm basically Deranged. However, the Criminal Pure Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. / CIA / State Dept. Psychopaths are normal brain functioning Human Beings.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 23:56 | 5691139 usednabused
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Well, noooo you're not deranged. You just arent a fucking joo. See in their minds, if you aren't a joo or a jooasskizzer you must be nuts. And make no mistake, the Caplan biatch, she's a joo, so she's not nuts...

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:00 | 5689606 Fun Facts
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"If You Question Authority, You Are Mentally Ill" - Stalin

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:31 | 5689749 Chupacabra-322
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-Torture
-Bengazi
-Arming, funding & training known Al CIA duh terror organizations.
-CIA Drug running / money laundering through the tax payer bailed out TBTFBanksters.
-Fast & Furious
-Persecution of Conservstives groups via the Criminal IRS
-Drone Murders / Assassination lists
-Illegal Wars of Aggression.
-911
-False Flags

Jeez, I must be out of my God Damn Fucking mind then.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:04 | 5689617 Spungo
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The people who say mental illness doesn't exist are retarded. Meet someone who has schizophrenia then tell me it's not real. 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:22 | 5689708 Kprime
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careful now, that rebellious statement you just made may indicate you are mentally ill.  In which case you won't know if it's real or not.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:05 | 5689622 Rubbish
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I'm fucked up Doc, read it on the internet.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:04 | 5689625 NuYawkFrankie
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 "Funny Farm",  here I come...

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:07 | 5689638 GreatUncle
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Lol get in line wait your turn.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:22 | 5689709 e_goldstein
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It'll probably be more like "Funny Camp."

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:05 | 5689629 Skip
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Mr Tenebrarum makes a good point.
This is nothing new, however.

...the Frankfurt School. What is properly known as the Institute of Social Research was founded in Frankfurt, Germany, during the Weimar period by a Jewish millionaire but was closed down by the Nazis shortly after they took power. Most of its staff emigrated to the United States and the institute reconstituted itself at UC Berkeley. The organization was headed by Max Horkheimer, and its most influential members were T.W. Adorno, Erich Fromm, and Herbert Marcuse, all of whom had strong Jewish identities. Horkheimer made no secret of the partisan nature of the institute's activities: "Research would be able here to transform itself directly into propaganda," he wrote. (Italics in the original.)

Prof. MacDonald devotes many pages to an analysis of The Authoritarian Personality, which was written by Adorno and appeared in 1950. It was part of a series called Studies in Prejudice, produced by the Frankfurt school, which included titles like Anti-Semitism and Emotional Disorder. The Authoritarian Personality was particularly influential because, according to Prof. MacDonald, the American Jewish Committee heavily funded its promotion and because Jewish academics took up its message so enthusiastically.

The book's purpose is to make every group affiliation sound as if it were a sign of mental disorder. Everything from patriotism to religion to family -- and race -- loyalty are signs of a dangerous and defective "authoritarian personality." Because drawing distinctions between different groups is illegitimate, all group loyalties -- even close family ties! -- are "prejudice." As Christopher Lasch has written, the book leads to the conclusion that prejudice "could be eradicated only by subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy -- by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum."

But according to Prof. MacDonald it is precisely the kind of group loyalty, respect for tradition, and consciousness of differences central to Jewish identity that Horkheimer and Adorno described as mental illness in Gentiles. These writers adopted what eventually became a favorite Soviet tactic against dissidents: Anyone whose political views were different from theirs was insane. As Prof. MacDonald explains, the Frankfurt school never criticized or even described Jewish group identity -- only that of Gentiles: "behavior that is critical to Judaism as a successful group evolutionary strategy is conceptualized as pathological in Gentiles."

For these Jewish intellectuals, anti-Semitism was also a sign of mental illness: They concluded that Christian self-denial and especially sexual repression caused hatred of Jews. The Frankfurt school was enthusiastic about psychoanalysis, according to which "Oedipal ambivalence toward the father and anal-sadistic relations in early childhood are the anti-Semite's irrevocable inheritance."

Source

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 07:01 | 5691509 me again
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Wow. Didn't know about that one. you're too cool for school for the reference. Keep up the good work.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:07 | 5689631 lakecity55
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If you are the Dicktater, you and your comrades are normal.

Anyone who does not agree with you goes on a cattle car to a big furnace.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:07 | 5689632 GreatUncle
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Mentally ill? Lol lmfao fucking idiots.

Case scenario central banks for half a century of my life have been artificially stimulating the economy to make it grow and preserve governments and more importatly sovereign debt. If you had no assets of which I have few I was never entitled to any of the hidden handouts government was dishing out. Even better they screwed me out of a life I am fully entitled to remove theirs including family, children,etc.

As for the mercs they employ in all areas to preserve their entitled position of loads of assets means mega payout for them and naff all for everybody else those mercs better get out of the way because your necks asre on line with the elites.

*** I went from mentally ill to a sociopath in the blink of an eye ***

PS Not an islamic nutter so maybe they now need to start examining all those people in society they screwed over. LIKE 99%.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:07 | 5689634 freedogger
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So the ones obeying orders and gassing everyone in WWII were totally sane? WTF.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 00:30 | 5695244 GoinFawr
Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:09 | 5689641 wmbz
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Then I am and have been for many decades officially 100% Fucking Nutz! Batshit crazy!

I wish death to big govenrment and the pox that it spreads across the land, evil mother fuckers all!

Hell is to good for the D.C. cesspool.

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:12 | 5689652 Who was that ma...
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My wife's been telling me I was "fucking nuts" for years.  I guess she was right.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 22:29 | 5690890 Son of Captain Nemo
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My wife's been telling me I was "fucking nuts" for years.  I guess she was right.

Then if you're not taking meds and can think for yourself be proud of yourself!

Like minds that aren't drugged out think alike!

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:11 | 5689653 besnook
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i hope the camps are coed. anti authoritarian chicks are hot!!!

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:11 | 5689655 pob
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We disturbed some folks

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:51 | 5689659 Son of Captain Nemo
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Ah yes...

You must never question and must always obey "authority"!...

Authority that takes an oath to obey the law but also breaks it at will!

And the problem is there are far too many that will give there souls to that authority in order to be just like it.

And I should know.

Cass Sunstein! - Former White House Office of Information Regulatory Affairs OIRA

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:13 | 5689660 Arthur Schopenhauer
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I am listening to both of those videos above simultaneously, whilst reading the article.

"Stefan Molyneux on mental illness." AND "Allen Gregg in conversation with psychologist Dr. Paula Caplan."

I'm hearing voices.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:58 | 5690077 Charming Anarchist
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In both ears or just 1 of them?

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:15 | 5689675 taketheredpill
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Anybody who is intelligent enough to become socially and politically aware quickly realizes that there is Zero upside in promoting your views agressively.  Sheeple can only tolerate 1 or 2 degrees of deviation from the accepted views.  Beyond that and you may as well be from Mars.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 13:25 | 5692763 Sokhmate
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Plus the maximum allowed by the system 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:26 | 5689676 IridiumRebel
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I will always question.
Human rights are not insane.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:27 | 5689677 GoinFawr
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A real definition for abnormal:

You're male, 17 years old, and listening to Black Flag doesn't make you feel like you need to shake something idiotic until it bleeds reason.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:17 | 5689681 Lostinfortwalton
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If someone came up with a non-pharmacological treatment and cure of schizophrenia, they would inherit the earth and all that is in it. Not to say that the drugs in many instances aren't worse than the disease but the disease is real and serious and limiting for millions of people.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:19 | 5689683 falak pema
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The stuff that Historical debate is made of.

Here is a brilliant analysis of what Woodrow Wilson's dream of righteousness spawned in 1917.

It may be far fetched, it may be re-writing History. But its brilliant and an essay to ponder on for the ages to come :

http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-epochal-consequences-of-woodrow-wilso...

I say this all the more willingly as it contradicts my own perception of 20 th century dynamics.

What if, indeed !

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:22 | 5689707 fuu
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Well thanks for replacing shitmark2013 with the IWB links.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:25 | 5689716 falak pema
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???

Substance over form.  

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:17 | 5689687 Colonel Klink
Thu, 01/22/2015 - 07:13 | 5691516 me again
Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:18 | 5689689 Jackagain
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Of course there's also the other side of the coin...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr-OCYibwAc

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:21 | 5689698 fuu
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Yet if you and your billionaire friends like to kidnap and rape underaged children on your private island that is just good clean fun.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:21 | 5689705 JuliaS
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I suffer from a deep depression, yet I do not medicate myself, because I don't think there's anything wrong with me. Depression is a reaction to the environment and it takes a sick person to enjoy reality for what it is. Happiness requires the measure of ignorance I do not possess.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:03 | 5689874 Great Caesar
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+100 I do not fear the pain, only the numb.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 00:21 | 5691184 Oh regional Indian
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@ Julia

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:23 | 5689712 A_latvian
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Make no mistake: this is how they disarm the population:

1. Make the easy argument that the rights of gun ownership are no longer extended to the mentally ill, and mandatory checks should be put in place to ensure guns are purchased by people "of sound mind."

2. Then, use the broad net of PTSD to disarm veterans.

3. Finally, define "mentally ill" to include "Questioning Authority," and the population will be sufficiently castrated.

Victory!

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 21:13 | 5690605 serotonindumptruck
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So who are the lucky jack-booted thugs assigned to disarm those law-abiding gun owners?

Just because you have an awesome-looking stormtrooper uniform, with all kinds of cool weapons and body armor, does that make you invincible and COMPLETELY bulletproof?

If it were that easy to disarm us, it would have occurred many years ago.

TPTB are absolutely terrified of armed citizens.

The enforcement aspect is a major stumbling block.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:26 | 5689722 Dr. Engali
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How did we get to this point? These people are completely fucked in the head.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 19:06 | 5690104 Charming Anarchist
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It has always been this way. 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:26 | 5689728 idahosinker
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I have a neighbor who was the DEAN of the Psychology dept. at a hick college in OK.

So dumb, she listens to Public TV and donates her time to the animal shelters.

I was on the board of the Home Owner ass. with the control freak.

When I tried to explain to the Madam President of the Board, that all that money we had saved as a reserve for repairs was not hers to build a play ground, she came apart like a $2 suit case.

If you come out to hunt wolfs in Idaho, there is a 6 limit per year.

The best way, is to go to the animal shelter, and for short money you can get a lab for bait.

Just camp and tie it to a tree, with some fresh blood.  it will bring them in. You wouldn't  even have to stay up. The Lab will wake you,

(depending on the amount of hunting fluid you drink). Remember they get very close to 300 lbs and a hungry pack will call for a .308 caliber weapon. SCAR 17 with a geissele super SCAR is just the ticket. They sell a 25 round mag for it.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:03 | 5689876 pupdog1
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You make martinis with gin or vodka, not Hoppe's No. 9.

Give this a try--you'll thank me.

 

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 07:18 | 5691522 me again
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Alcohol affects accuracy;  I wouldn't want to miss you with my cold bore shot.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 07:16 | 5691519 me again
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10-4 brother; roger that.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 07:17 | 5691521 me again
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Imagine the fuck-wits who downvoted you; lot of people with reading problems; and thinking problems.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:27 | 5689729 MountainMan
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Here are my two words to authority: FUCK YOU!

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:30 | 5689733 TalkToLind
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If You Question Authority, You Are Mentally Ill

Then I must be batshit crazy -- and proud of it!

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:28 | 5689735 KCMLO
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This is a great rant... but... Oppositional Defiant Disorder as defined in the DSM-IV without the selective quotation refers to CHILDREN.  It specifically excludes adults.  I'm not sure if brattiness can rise to the level of "disorder" but the impression the DSM-IV is defining ADULTS who question authority as "disordered" is completely false. 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:40 | 5689785 justmy2cents
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Yes but the goobermint has just changed the definition of a child to anybody under a 100 who's breathing...

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:41 | 5689786 Overfed
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Just give it a little time.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 19:07 | 5690108 MeelionDollerBogus
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So what happens if adults who aren't sheeple teach their children not to be brainwashed and for any voice of opposition whatsoever they're being lied to... in any setting WITH OTHER ADULTS... they get labeled as having a mental disorder and forced onto medication, or even kidnapped (using the law) from the parents "for their own good" ... that's ok?

Likely?

legal?

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 19:15 | 5690144 Charming Anarchist
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You do not get it.  This has nothing to do with being diagnostically accurate.  This has to do with labelling and pigeon-holing people by the insurance companies. 

 

What you do not get is that allegedly-ODD children are bait bringing their crazy-bitchy-insane parents into the world of state inspection.  The parents (who are usually the real nuts) are ever so happy to go along shifting attention on their kids. 

 

 

<<but... Oppositional Defiant Disorder as defined in the DSM-IV without the selective quotation refers to CHILDREN.  It specifically excludes adults.>>

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:33 | 5689750 Mi Naem
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Well, at least Dr. Paula Caplan, in her interview, suggested we need to get the government involved to investigate and diagnose.  Then she pointed out that she's working to get insurance companies to assert their power here. 

Good thing.  Both of those entities have demonstrated their competence and concern in these matters.  Seriously, it almost makes me think that we're better off with the pretend "Doctors".

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:54 | 5690065 MeelionDollerBogus
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Who ya gunna call... Dr. Nick!

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:32 | 5689757 justmy2cents
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Naturalnews ran an article that said this BELIEVE IT OR NOT the same bunch of fucking retards classified BABYS THAT CRY(!) as having mental illness!!! I shit you not go check it out.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 01:40 | 5691278 general ambivalent
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Yeah, and at the same time they are trying to let babies determine what gender they should be.

Another great way to get people on CIA drugs.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:35 | 5689759 ThroxxOfVron
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Soon the true evil intent behind the ACA will become evident.

You WILL be forced to abort 'unhealthy' fetuses.

You WILL be forced to take 'prescribed medications'.

You WILL be monitored and/or restrainted and/or incarcerated 'for the safety of yourself and other persons'.

You WILL be 'vaccinated'.

You WILL be 'subject to medical testing'.

'Resisting public health inititatives and distribution of social serivices will not be tolerated for the public good'.

'You WILL be treated as a criminal felon for resisting arrest or causing physical injury to government peace or health or social service officials'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbwQ0Wy3ljQ

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 08:15 | 5691584 Refuse-Resist
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At the center of every juicy 'onion' in this society, is, as our friend and commentator Radical Marijuana says "fraud backed by violence".

Doesn't matter where you look.

If you don't comply with whatever bullshit regulation that is created, or pay on demand, men with guns come to either kidnap or kill you depending on if you resist or not.

 

I think people are slowly awakening to this crucial concept.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:38 | 5689766 El Hosel
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This morning in Davos Jamie said he is a Banker because that is the best way he can have the most impact to make the world better, Becky loved it. Still waiting to hear form Jefferson county Alabama.

 

My reaction makes me crazy

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:38 | 5689778 TrueWho
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We medicated some folks.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:41 | 5689780 Who was that ma...
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Don't worry about it.  Without exception, every single psychiatrist I've ever known has been absolutely and totally insane.  That's the reason they go into that field of study, they know there is something wrong with them and they want to understand what it is.  No sane person would ever consider entering that field.

The above rule holds true for many professions, cops become cops because they have a deep interest in crime, they are latent criminals themselves.  In the old west, many, many bank or train robbers would often "go straignt" and become lawmen, or visa-versa.  Medical students often follow a path of study, for example, oncology, because they have a deep fear of cancer or a history of cancer in their family, etc.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:40 | 5689783 tlnzz
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The new norm. Welcome to the USSA. Your mentaly ill. off to the Siberian gulag to never be seen again. Never, never give up your guns. We are going to need to use them.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 08:20 | 5691601 Refuse-Resist
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Good one. There is a scene in the movie "The White Rose" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084897/

where one of the 'judges' (what I'd call a political commisar) yells at the young students who tried to resist the 3rd Reich and calls them insane.

 

Back when I first saw that, I noted just how familiar that commisar's rant sounded -- it sounded like Bill O'reilly talking to 9/11 truth people, or Rachel Madcow talking to a pro 2nd amendment person.

 It's worth watching this movie IMO if you haven't seen it.  I would also recommend (not that anybody gives a shit) The Lives of Others

:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1  if you want to see the inner workings of the Stasi, as recollected by a 30 year Stasi agent.

 

You want to see crazy? That shit's crazy. And it seems that's exactly where we're headed.

I've been on the rails of the Crazy Train so long that I won't have any problem finding a seat for the rest of  you.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:20 | 5689784 Zoomorph
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The prevailing morality of equality in our society does not like exceptional people because exceptions nuffily equality, threaten the status quo, are dangerous, bring about change and evolution, cause suffering, etc. Since this prevailing morality is basically delusional, they can't be honest and just kill exceptional people: they want to believe that they're actually "helping" those people rather than harming them, because that's how they rationalize their ideal of equality. Instead, they define those people as "sick" and themselves, the most "normal" people, as "healthy". This allows them to lock exceptional people up and give them drugs that will render them harmless, all with a good conscience, all while proudly deluding themselves into believing that they're nursing them into a healthy, normal state. On the flip side, they make abnormal people believe there's something wrong with them, giving them a bad conscience and poisoning them with a pessimistic view of themselves. Many of the abnormal people then hate themselves, consider themselves worse off, and live a miserable existence -- some will even kill themselves. But the truth is that they are not miserable because of their condition, they're miserable because they are made to be so by society telling them that they are ill and convincing them that they're missing out. This is actually a much more cunning and powerful strategy than if they tried to kill exceptional people; we are not longer barbarians: we have much more subtle and advanced ways to control and torture people.

This is an age-old war of moral values. Those who desire peace, comfort, stability and security need to secure themselves and eliminate the threat that exceptional people, who are different and likely to have different moral values, pose against them.

All exceptional people would be better off not believing that they are sick or have an illness. There's no objective truth to the idea that "normal" people are "healthier". It's not surprising that "normal" people would hold that belief and would have basically defined themselves as being superior, and it's not surprising that exceptional people who are to think positively of themselves would necessarily hold the opposite belief. Our society does its best to prevent exceptional people from feeling superior about themselves. As a rather exceptional person myself, and one who was never poisoned by drugs and never convinced that being exceptional is a "bad" thing (I tend to believe the opposite), I do my best to encourage exceptional people not to take drugs which will ruin their potential in life, not to view themselves as diseased or ill just because they're different, and to help them understand the moral war that they've fallen victim to.

The ideal of the prevailing morality is some degree of a utopia where everyone is equal, everyone shares their moral values, there is no fighting, violence, inequality, suffering, etc. In my view, this is an ugly goal. Without suffering, there can be no true happiness. Without inequality and fighting there can be practically nothing of "life" as we know it left in their ideal world. Yes, it would be peaceful, serene, secure, and nobody would ever have to deal with a negative emotion again, but it would be utterly pointless. We'd might as well commit mass suicide as we'd shortly devolve all of our mental capabilities anyway, as we approach the ideal.

I'm sure that the prevailing morality is to a large degree exploited by the government and powers that be: they don't believe it in, but they use it to control the masses. Maybe their goal is for the masses to grow so weak that they can be enslaved again, as they were before Christianity freed them. I'm more afraid of the people who actually do believe in this ideal and in this morality: they are like a giant herd of zombies who would happily end life for all of us because they personally can't stand it, and who mistakenly believe that if in our destruction they will find some kind of 'heaven', and that they're doing all of us some kind of a favor in the process.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:43 | 5689788 lynnybee
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well, this is just beyond awful.  when i was growing up Americans were depicted as being "rugged & highly individualistic."   we watched t.v. shows like SKY KING, LONE RANGER, PALADIN ~ HAVE GUN WILL TRAVEL, BONANZA, RAWHIDE, etc.   view these old shows on UTUBE.   I played cowboys & indians as a child, we all ran around with BBguns & toy bows & arrows & NO CHILDREN were on medications !  all us kids carried around silver dimes & quarters in our pockets that we had to do chores in order to earn & be a member of a productive family.   there is NO SUCH THING as "anti-authoritarian behavior" ...... it's all a scam, it's all made up.  

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 19:31 | 5690192 Bolweevil
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I watched a WWii documentary recently - apparently President's sons went to war, the country prayed as a nation and women did the work of men and raised their children simultaneously. I wax nostalgic.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:41 | 5689789 Cannon Fodder
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I recently started reading The Gulag Archipeligo...

kind of thinking this belongs in there somewhere... just another reason to arrest someone, etc.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:12 | 5689914 dogbreath
Wed, 01/21/2015 - 23:09 | 5691011 TeethVillage88s
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There was a recent news story or commentary that the USA clearly has more prisoners per capita than the USSR ever had.

Something about Consensual Crimes, Victimless Crimes, Drug Possession, or small technicalities.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:45 | 5689798 gorillaonyourback
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So I went to medical school,  in my psychiatric rotation, I came to the conclusion that psychiatry is 99% pharmacotherapy and 1% psychotherapy.  If you're in the 1%, you can afford psychotherapy,  everyone else take faux magic pill.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 19:21 | 5690155 Parrotile
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You'll remember the standards for pharmacotherapy - basically, "keep increasing the dose until you get the desired effect, or an adverse effect, in which case, try adding another similar agent".

I learned VERY early on to not question the elephantine doses of SSRIs and SNRIs - 2, 3, 5 x usual "max dose". I also learned to NOT mention the enormous length of stay of many "clients" - in supposed "Acute Management" units . . . . .1000 days ++ being not that unusual.

The only real benefit we ever seemed to provide to many of our "clents" (I hate that word - they are PATIENTS!), was we gave them reliable, safe meals, and a generally safe environment (although Patient vs. Patient assaults were not exactly uncommon, with one or two being fatal outcome events), especially in the "High Risk" population.

VERY expensive hotel accommodation - cost "per bed day" was only $50 less than an ICU bed, so hardly "cheap medicine", especially in view of the very uncertain outcomes.

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 23:06 | 5691001 TeethVillage88s
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Not an informed person personally, but 20 years ago I had a Professor who was very confident and happy about a branch called "Neural Psychology (Psychiatry).

Or maybe it was something close to that. But you can see the TREND was to place importance on human brain chemistry.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:45 | 5689803 Skiprrrdog
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In the words of Popeye, a towering giant in the pantheon of American legends, and the bestest actor ever..."I yam what I yam"...

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 08:30 | 5691616 Refuse-Resist
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Or, "You see the way I am, you can leave any time you like"

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=302oEzSPCqE

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 17:58 | 5689855 Katastrofenhausse
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Stay the hell away from modern psychiatry. SSRI Drugs such as Prozac (generic name- Fluoxetine) have a high concentration of Fluoride. Prozac specifically has 3 Fluoride molecules on it (see Wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine ) my cousin was a grade school teacher for quite a few years. One of the things that she said caused her to quit was the public schools becoming "Psych Drug pimps" and the kids were turned into zombies.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:51 | 5690050 MeelionDollerBogus
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Fluorine ion attached to the molecule is not "fluoride" chemically.

Still it's dangerous: www.ssristories.org : you can expect almost all mass-murders or murder-suicides to involve SSRI drugs.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 19:48 | 5690222 Katastrofenhausse
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True, while it's bonded in the Prozac molecule it's not technically "Fluoride". A certain percentage of the C-F bonds on the end of the Prozac molecule will dissociate in stomach acid yeilding Fluoride in F- and F2 form. It's been a while since I took Gen Chem, Organic Chem or Biochem so I can't speak to exact percentages and probabilities.  Regardless, it's bad news for any human to ingest Fluoride in any form.

Thanks for the link to SSRI Stories. I saw that a few years ago but had forgotten about the site.

 

Any ZH readers with better chem knowledge?

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:00 | 5689860 Atticus Finch
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oppositional defiant disorder” or ODD has been a part of student evaluation forever. This is nothing new.

There are two issues:

1. The kids in the class who want to learn can't because of continual unruly behavior. ODD is not a one-off disturbance. General student opposition to the instructor is common and is expected as completely normal behavior.

2. ODD is not viewed as a punishable offense and is clearly distinguishable as over-the-top when compared to common student opposition.

ODD is completely different from living in a police state like the Stalinist Soviet Union where expressing an opinion, might have sent one to the sanitarium.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:03 | 5689872 css1971
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So, now they can lock up anyone who disagrees with them.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:06 | 5689891 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Ontological Anarchy http://hermetic.com/bey/ by Hakim Bay

NOTE: In Experimental Psychology the DSM is referred to as a 'doorstop' reference book. In other words, it is useful to
prop a door open, but that's about it. The real users of the DSM are Psychologists that work for tertiary level hospitals or in the state run prison systems so that Managed Care Providers and Insurance companies can allocate
industry dollars based on claims made and processed by the Gubberment. Psychologists in private practice only group people for the insurance companies so they can get paid by the private insurance plans held by clients. Cash customers
are rare.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:13 | 5689919 muleskinner
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Here's one to chew on:

We will not submit to your bullshit!

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:14 | 5689927 cigarEngineer
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The worst mental disease in the world is obesity. Fat is a natural store of estrogen, and elevated levels of estrogen result in all these girly men who are pliable to the will of politicians and cannot be self-sufficient.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 03:11 | 5691350 OldPhart
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"With a tool this good I built a shed over it."  Disremember.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 05:13 | 5691446 Romney Wordsworth
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Way better to be 'Meathead Rob Lowe' bro. [Then maybe you can become a cop].

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:21 | 5689939 nakki
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First part of the article got it, its always about the MONEY. Well that and the fact that these Dr. have to show that there life's work actually means something, and for that they need to expand these definitions. They need grants, and studies  and some of those studies are paid for by pharmaceutical companies, which in turn can furnish those poor mentally challenged people drugs to make them NORMAL. Which makes it all about the money. Perhaps in the future, they'll find that people who must meddle in other people business and always think they know what's best for those people have a mental disease........

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:25 | 5689959 Peter Pan
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You are mentally ill if you DON'T question authority.

There, fixed it for all of you.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:52 | 5690052 Panic Mode
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That's exactly is what religion approach is. Blind faith, don't question, how dare you ....

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 22:26 | 5690862 honestann
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You're mentally ill if you fail to REJECT authority... as the blatant fiction it is.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 22:39 | 5690921 TeethVillage88s
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SOTU = Strategically Oppress, & Tax the USA

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:37 | 5690004 Overflow-admin
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Everyone has a SID (or more) where I work!

Proof! Here's mine! S-1-5-26-6264661168-6136763865-3466545285-6220

OK SID stands for Sensory Integration Disorder... still, looks like some API needs debug!

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:48 | 5690044 MeelionDollerBogus
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Either yer with us , or yer with the insane terr'sts and we'll lock you up!

All report for your now really, actually, mandated by law RE-NEDUCATION

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:50 | 5690045 Panic Mode
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Well, if you believe eduction will make you smarter, you probably a sheep sucking a dummy. Those useless nappy subjects; pyschology, philosophy, theology, art, media study, etc.... Get a life.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:52 | 5690051 general ambivalent
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That's what the underlying message has been all along.

New research also suggests that depression is linked to inflation, which is caused by all of the shitty food brought back from the war effort, and general lazy, consumptive lifestyles.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 19:03 | 5690061 Lea
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The APA has been bought lock, stock and barrel for at least 20 years. Nowadays, it's a well-funded bunch of quacks with about as much scientific relevance as Scientology, and even much worse: they are also perverts. In 2000, these disgusting APA creeps tried to "normalize" pedophilia.

Stay clear.

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 18:59 | 5690074 The Proletariat
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"New mental illnesses identified by the DSM-IV include arrogance, narcissism....."  Does this mean the POTUS is taking drugs right now to help with his mental illness.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 00:18 | 5691180 forwardho
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For a very good description of above mentioned see;

Narcissistic borderline personality disorder.

 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 19:08 | 5690111 capltd
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So?  Mental illness never stop sociopaths and narcissists from running the country.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 22:53 | 5690968 TeethVillage88s
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Didn't Voltaire Write about this?

- US Doctors now say the US Declaration of Independence, US Constitution, Magna Carte, and Voltaire is Anti-Social??

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 19:10 | 5690121 kchrisc
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I read the Constitution, and became mentally ill.

Reading the Declaration of Independence put me on medication.

Then after reading Bastiat's, "The Law," I fell into a catatonic state.

The banksters need to repay us.

 

I can still work a guillotine with the best of them.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 22:22 | 5690857 honestann
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If there is ever any justice in the world, you sir, will never be unemployed.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 06:50 | 5691504 falak pema
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For there to be justice, there will have to be a higher AUTHORITY that dispenses it in the name of general good.

You have just sawn off the plank on which you stand Ann; unless you are Captain Nemo's daughter from 20000 leagues under the sea! 

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 02:12 | 5695403 honestann
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AUTHORITY IS FICTION.

AUTHORITY DOES NOT EXIST.

AND IN FACT, AUTHORITY CANNOT POSSIBLY EXIST.

I just wrote a couple long replies about this very topic in the past three days or so.  Look them up, read them, think about them.

AUTHORITY cannot exist, and most certainly HIGHER AUTHORITY cannot exist either.

But justice can.  Who takes actions that are just is not important.

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 00:09 | 5691162 falconflight
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Jesus, ain't that the truth, I'm proud that I can still even type this response.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 19:40 | 5690229 Vin
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What the hell, let's all get crazy and hang the pols who've broken their oaths.  Where's the closest tree?

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 20:24 | 5690410 kchrisc
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One can think of the behavior of the pols, crats, funcs, and banksters as taking numbers for their turn on the guillotine. Some like Corzine are even trading up from a lower number.

"Now severing 1,284."

The banksters need to repay us.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 19:48 | 5690266 rsnoble
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So the 99% are crazy basically.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 20:30 | 5690422 samsara
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Subvert the Dominant Paradigm

(as put in the '60s  'Fuck the Establishment')

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 20:31 | 5690424 rjs
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this is not new...the MMPI judged one psychotic if you questioned authority and schizophrenic if one questioned Christianity 50 years ago...

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 20:32 | 5690429 pashley1411
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We live in a political age; every thing, every truth, is decided by politics and political actors.   

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 20:33 | 5690430 pashley1411
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dup

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 20:36 | 5690445 UGrev
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I saw this coming with the DSMV IV when I was in college for psychology. I left that field as it has become nothing short of quackery.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 20:50 | 5690515 CoolBeans
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As did I...plus I worked a few floors below in and out patient psych in a county hospital and it was horrifying to see what qualifed as "treatment".

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 22:49 | 5690951 TeethVillage88s
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Propaganda. Want to control Social Movements? Want to control National Debate of the Issues? Want to be a News Creator and Shape the National Consciousness?

-

"US President Barack Obama, speaking at the 69th session of the UN General Assembly, stated that Russia's actions posed the largest threat to the world. According to Obama, Russia is more dangerous to the world than international terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism."

- Not US Congress?
- Not TBTF Wall Street Banks
- Not Shadow Banking or Derivatives totaling $1.7 Quadrillion

- Not Nuclear War, World War III

- Not the Size of the US DoD Budget
- Not Augustine's Law
- Not Federal Debt, US Household Debt, Jobs going overseas, Classism in the USA, Systemic Destruction of US Economy, Systemic Corruption of US Congress

- Not the Chance that US Financial Schemes, Financial War, NSA Spying, or Foreign Policy ARE working against the Interests of the European Union & Our other Allies... and could lead to European States Waring with the USA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depository_Trust_%26_Clearing_Corporation

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 20:52 | 5690529 withglee
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Look at the 10 commandments. 5 have to do with respecting authority. The other 5 are no-brainers and far from an exhaustive list of things you shouldn't do. So declaring someone insane for not respecting authority is nothing new.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 21:01 | 5690564 agent default
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Remember those USSR psychiatric wards dissidents were committed to?  They are baaaaack,  only a bit more  westward this time.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 21:27 | 5690665 DrNybble
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I am happy to report that I have a terminal case of [selective] ODD.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 21:51 | 5690769 Vooter
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I would like to push these people's faces down onto a red-hot stove coil.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 22:21 | 5690854 honestann
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What?  "above average creativity syndrome"?
What?  "anti-authority syndrome"?
Yup!!!  "predator syndrome"!!!

Good topic, but much, much, much too meek and limited.

The fact is, "authority" (in the common sense today) is a fiction.  In the old and original sense, it was reasonable to expect (on average at least), that an "author" knew more than random people about the topic he writes about.  However, to be "an author" does not give you any basis to tell others what they must do, or tell others what they must not do, or charge others for doing what they want to do, and demanding they get licenses from you to take certain kinds of actions.  THAT kind of "authority" is pure fiction, totally made up, blatant fiction.

And so, what is mental sickness is "authority worship", not lack thereof.  In fact, even believing there is such a thing as "authority" is just one of endless expressions of the most fundamental of all forms of insanity --- an inability to distinguish what is real from what is fiction.

And so, all modern psychologists (who agree-with and practice modern psychology) are fundamentally insane, and for our safety (not theirs), should be locked away.  Let them argue with each other which among them the others must obey.  Sheesh!

Of course, these psychologists, like doctors and almost all other "professionals" suffer from "predator syndrome", which is similar-to or an instance-of "aggressive delusion of grandeur".  You know, where they force you to go see a doctor and beg for a permission slip to get a medicine you already know you need... including ones the doctors themselves have told you, "you will need to take this drug for the rest of your life".

Though I can't measure accurately, sometimes I think human beings spend 99% of their lives living in a completely fictional artifice, taking actions that have absolutely no basis whatsoever (except to avoid being kidnapped and caged by psychopathic predators who get paid for forcing you to obey these fictional authorities).

Well, at least I can't be diagnosed with "anti-authority syndrome", because I am quite certain that no authority exists --- so how could I possibly be "against" something that doesn't exist?  Am I "against the tooth fairy?  No, because no such entity exists to be "against".

But I have to say, my jaw dropped when I read they actually do have a syndrome called "above average creativity syndrome"!!!!!

Wow!!!!!  Well, now we can completely drop any accusations about "conspiracy theories"!!!!!  Because if they openly admit they consider "above average creativity" to be a mental illness... well... that's no theory!  They actually created an excuse to lock-up and eventually destroy any sheep who ever glances sideways during their walk to the slaughterhouse.  Never again can any so-called "authority" claim any basis to be called "authority" when they label themselves so clearly.

Besides, don't you think those psychologists and psychiatrists had to exhibit "above average creativity" to concoct all these mental illnesses?  Of course they did!  Which means they are all insane, and thereby inherently not trustworthy to decide who has mental illness and who does not.

Lock them all up.  ALL of them who practice their voodoo in any part based upon this work of diabolical self-refuting fiction.  Very, very, extremely nasty fiction.  And when you lock them up, do show them, and explain clearly to them, the passages in their own guidelines that verify they are insane.  If and when they come to fully recognize what an awful, nasty, mean, nasty, rotten, disingenuous predatory enterprise they've been involved in, and honestly repent, let them go.  Just make sure they understand "authority" is fiction, so they'll have to go find some form of productive work.

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 22:24 | 5690870 FredFlintstone
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Its official Ann, looks like you have a mental illness and I think it is terminal :) 

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 22:28 | 5690882 piratepiet
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"...and I think it is terminal :)"

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with deadly outcome.  :-)

Wed, 01/21/2015 - 22:32 | 5690895 honestann
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If you consider what these "authorities" call "mental illness" to actually be "mental illness", then you're damn tootin' i have mental illness.  Some really good ones!  And they make me happy, secure, competent and, well, creative!

Thu, 01/22/2015 - 03:35 | 5691370 Manipuflation
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You are a strong woman Ann and it is a good thing.  Some males do not like weak minded females.

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