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"It's Just A Tactical Withdrawal" - Ukraine Forces "Abandon" Contested Donetsk Airport
With NATO's top military commander, General Breedlove, proclaiming that fighting in Ukraine is worse than pre-truce levels (and noting he could not confirm Poroshenko's Russian force numbers accusations), the news overnight, as The Telegraph reports, that Ukrainian forces appeared to withdraw from Donetsk airport last night, ending an 8-month battle in a bitter blow for pro-Kiev forces and apparent triumph for the Russian-backed separatists they are fighting. While the Pro-Russian separatists' Pyrrhic victory over the completely destroyed (as we noted here) airport may be a blow, a Ukrainian military spokesman on Thursday played down the surrender of the terminal buildings, saying it was simply a tactical withdrawal. Additionally, Russia has denounced an attack on a bus in separatist-held Donetsk which killed civilians as a "monstrous crime."
Victory?
Ukrainian forces appeared to withdraw from Donetsk airport last night, bringing to an end an eight-month battle in what will be seen as a bitter blow for pro-Kiev forces and a triumph for the Russian-backed separatists they are fighting.
The Ukrainian ministry of defence had insisted earlier this week that part of the airport complex was still under government control and that fighting continued.
But Yuri Butusov, a Ukrainian journalist, wrote on Facebook on Wednesday night that the airport had been abandoned because “the new and old terminals, the control tower, everything that could serve as a defensive point has been completely destroyed.”
The claim was later confirmed in a post by the Azov regiment, one of several volunteer battalions fighting alongside regular government forces.
A Ukrainian military spokesman on Thursday played down the surrender of the terminal buildings, saying it was simply a tactical withdrawal.
"Yesterday the decision was taken to leave the territory of the terminal for new positions," Vladislav Seleznyov said. "Fierce fighting continues.”
"We continue to control the southern part of the airport ... we left the new terminal because it looks like a sieve and there's simply nowhere to hide there," he said.
Reports of the fall of Donetsk airport sparked mourning on Ukrainian social media, with many users posting tributes to the fallen defenders and angry denunciations of the failure of generals and politicians to avoid the defeat.
LifeNews, a fiercely pro-Kremlin outlet, showed footage on Thursday of what it said were dead Ukrainian soldiers found in the basement.
Rebel fighters told the station that they found about 15 badly wounded Ukrainians amongst the dead, and that the troops had apparently been abandoned by their officers.
The battle for Donetsk airport, where a garrison of Ukrainian troops held off separatist attackers for eight months, had become a symbol of Ukrainian resistance.
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What they were fighting for...
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This surrender follows what Russia called a "monstrous crime" as a bus in Donetsk was blown up killing civilians...
#Donetsk 10 civilians confirmed killed after mortar shells hit resident area. Locals report shots came from minibus pic.twitter.com/Jflawo87B0
— Roman Kosarev (@Kosarev_RT) January 22, 2015
It was unclear whether the attack on a bus in a separatist held part of the city on Thursday morning was connected with the fighting at the airport.
Separatists who control the city initially blamed the attack on a guerrilla unit operating inside the city, rather than Ukrainian artillery firing from beyond the city limits.
Sergie Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, blamed the attack on Ukrainian shelling, denouncing the attack as a "monstorus crime".
"We are shaken by the monstrous new crime in Donetsk, where on the morning of January 22 dozens of peaceful civilians died and received injuries as a result of Ukrainian forces shelling a bus stop," he said.
The attack was a "crude provocation" aimed at undermining peace efforts, he added.
Ukrainian prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said Russia bore responsiblity for the shelling that Kiev blamed on pro-Kremlin rebels.
"Russian terrorists again committed a horrible act against humanity," Mr Yatsenyuk said in statement published on the government's website. "And responsiblity for this is borne by the Russian Federation."
A Reuters correspondent counted six bodies at the scene of the strike, although rebel and municipal authorities suggested the total death toll could be higher.
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NATO is clearly growing more concerned...
- *BREEDLOVE: FIGHTING IN UKRAINE IS AT PRE-TRUCE LEVELS
- *BREEDLOVE: SOME FIGHTING IN UKRAINE WORSE THAN PRE-TRUCE COMBAT
- *BREEDLOVE SAYS RUSSIA-BACKED FORCES HAVE `RENEWED CAPABILITY'
- *BREEDLOVE SAYS HE'LL RENEW CONTACTS WITH TOP RUSSIAN MILITARY
- *BREEDLOVE SAYS CAN'T CONFIRM POROSHENKO'S RUSSIA TROOP FIGURES
- *STOLTENBERG: NATO WILL INCREASE PRESENSE IN EAST OF ALLIANCE
- *STOLTENBERG: NATO TO HAVE PERMANENT PRESENSE IN BULGARIA
- *STOLTENBERG: NATO TO HAVE COMMAND UNITS IN POLAND, ROMANIA
- *STOLTENBERG: NATO MEASURES `DEFENSIVE', `PROPORTIONAL'
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Deflated footballs......... Try doing that to a hockey puck. What a shitshow.
... meanwhile, "[US] Congress alarmed by plans to use Russian system to route 911 calls" ... >>> http://rt.com/usa/225183-us-russia-glonass-911/ ...
Yeah....they "tactically" pulled Putin's foot out of their ass and got the hell out
However, in the end, the Nazis were defeated, and the victorious Russians erected a permanent symbol on the Mamayev Kurgan.
Note: At Stalingrad, the US was backing the Russian Communists, and fighting the Nazis. This time, in Ukraine, it is the opposite.
I am surprised that the Maidanite idiots have not tried to take down the Rodina Mat statue in Kiev. They can't build shit, but sure as heck are good at destruction and committing economic suicide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Motherland,_Kiev
I wonder when the Ukies will pull their heads out of their collective asses and face the truth: their overthrow of Yanukovich replaced an Oligarchic thief with a new class of Oligarchic killers, Porkyschenko, Ratsenyuik, IHOR Kolomoyski and the rest of the murderous USSA puppets.
12 months later, and the Maidenites have managed to lose Crimea, ruin the Donbass, impoverish the remaining rump of the Ukraine, and utterly destroy their ecomomy while getting IMF'ed in the process.
But on the bright side, when you fight for the Ukraine, and you lose an arm, at least an american general will give you a worthless badge:
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine/photos/pcb.1600572313499448/16...
Loss of infrastructure like this is going to be very hard to replace. Even with QE monies being miracled into existence, the real concrete and real steel, and all the real minutia and their associated energy and resource inputs are going to be hard to come by in todays changed economy.
Let this be a lesson to all the others willing to risk a squabble for moar.
King of the ash heap... It's a tough game. The Independents really don't want to shell and destroy Kiev or give the people a reason to dislike them. They just want their independence from the Zewish oligarchs. Unfortunately, the ZOG is quite willing to destroy everything so as to have control of the ash heap.
Contacts with Russian military, haha... I'd like to be a NSA operator listening to that conversation.
Begin NSA transcript
Breedlove: Hi General.
Russian General: Hi.
Breedlove: I'd like to convey my dearest respect for ---
Russian General: Just get on with it
Breedlove: Uh... okay. So why are you supporting the Ukrainian separatists?
Russian General: Because you overthrew the government..
Breedlove: Ah... so why do you think it's a wise course of action to a oppose the US?
Russian General: Because you're spread too thin and your empire is near its end.
(Silence)
Breedlove: I see. well... um, the president of the United States would like to inform you such actions won't be tolerated and ---
Russian General: If you're fairy of a leader wants to make demands he can contact Vlad directly.
(Hang up)
End NSA transcript
Russian General: If you're fairy of a leader wants to make demands he can contact Vlad directly.
General Manlove: But he alternates between pouting spells and hissy fits after Vlad won't return his calls.
Russian General: It can be your problem. It is not everybody's problem.
I am going to make a call here:
Poroshenko is going to be assassinated in the coming days/weeks, and it will be blamed entirely on the Separatists. This will demonise both Russia and the DPR, and the u.s. along with their freaks in power in Kiev will go on an unholy crusade and engage Russia directly.
You heard it here first.
You're not the only one that thinks Porky's days are numbered:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/01/tsarev-poroshenko-will-be-overthrow...
Since they are all Ukies, they should label them Ukie Red Team and Ukie Blue Team, instead of Ukrianian forces did this and speratists did that since they'll all Ukies.
Handful:
Down arrowed you - they could not possibly be more unalike.
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A downer for you, too.
Both sides want government, just not the other's version.
I think the hill traded hands a few times early on before the Russians stayed there. The Germans definitely had a portion of the hill, so the analogy to the airport is good, the nazis had to be pushed completely off of it.
does that translate into "mama krugman"....
Ukies - Thinks in Ukrainian, listens to Ukrainian music, thinks Bandera was a defender of national interest, thinks soviet troops were occupyers, takes pride in people like Turchinov, discusses deaths in odessa with a smile on face...referring to it at times as the May Barbecue...and mentions grilling Coloradoes ( Colorado Beetle...has the same color as the Georgievskaya Lenta/ Ribbon...also used as a flag/colors of the separatist movement. When someone screams on a street Glory to the Nation...will likely reply with Death to the enemies...or reply to Glory to Ukraine by shouting To heroes Glory. Thinks of the fallen 100 on the Maidan square as heroes...defenders of the nation. Wants for Ukraine to join NATO usually.
Separatists: Thinks in Russian, listens to Russian music...usually enjoys May 9th...soviet victory day. May have had a father, grandfather fight the nazis...or even fight Bandera in Ukrainian forests. Thinks of the Soviet Army as heroes. May have lost one or both grandparents in the war...fighting Nazis...and doesn't respect UPA/OUN or Rigth Sector who through Zeig Hails to each other on occaision. Mourns losses in Eastern Ukraine and in Odessa. Can't stand Lyashko and Turchinov. Does not want his county to join NATO usually.
Why did ZH not mention that the Ukies tried to retake the airport by sending a battalion led by the Number 3 Right SEctor top honcho, OLeg Michats, which was prompltly routed by the Novorussians, leading to the capture of the same Number 3 Right SEctor officer? The arrest should be the headline because that's a very big news, bigger than the airport itself.
Meanwhile the rebels are already inside the Vihnograde district of Mariupol which if you look at the map is already near the port & downtown Mariupol. THere's again the same desperate fleeing in the highways seen during the defeat of the Ukies last year
What makes this article VERY INTRIGUING is that the fall of the airport happened a WEEK AGO yet and the capture of the Right SEctor general happened a couple of days already & here comes this article which is nothing but a red herring (this type is slipping into ZH more frequently now).
By the way, the attack of the Novorussians did not end at the airport but went on to clear the sorrounding settlements where the UKies were barraging Donetsk. They are now in Peski in the west & clearing Andreev in the North.
The Ukies claim they are in the southern part of the airport but that is even wrong. South of the airport is Donetsk city itself, fully controlled by the Novorussians.
And let's not forget that questioning authority has now been deemed to be "crazy talk". I guess all those famous people who signed the declaration of independence and got out of line in their revolutionary actions were some trippin ass crazy mofos.
First they ignore you. Then they mock you. Then they try to destroy you.
Then they build monuments to you.
You forgot the theft of their Gold! Turned out to be the sweetest of deals!
I agree, but unfortunately, as with every ZOG, the media is complete bullshit. If you have lived your whole life believing the bullshit, then it's difficult to identify or accept truth.
We both know the hypocrisy of Yats statement that Russian terrorists committed crimes against humanity by shelling a bus carrying E Ukrainian Russians. Basic logic implies this is false. However, the people have been trained not to think, and so accept it as truth without question. Quite similar to religion.
Not saying you are wrong but you cannot ignore the fact that false flags exist.
Consider the terrorist false flag chemical attacks in Syria. All we know is it is possible.
The shooting at the Maidan was a false flag. The burning alive of Russian-speaking Ukrainians at Odessa was the reuslt of a false flag act. The shooting down of MH17 was a false flag. The destruction of a bus carrying passengers stopped at a Ukrainian check point near Volnovakha was a false flag operation, etc, etc.
And further on the bright side (/sarc), they will get to have their organic wheat and rye crops substituted with Monsanto GMOs.
Photos of the airport look like Stalingrad.
The final outcome will be similar.
Yes, but it seems that Stalingrad is moving west.
That's amazing. I didn't realize Stalingrad was on its own tectonic plate.
Hedgeless_Horseman: Note: At Stalingrad, the US was backing the Russian Communists, and fighting the Nazis. This time, in Ukraine, it is the opposite.
More like sideways: In the Ukraine, US Communists are backing Nazis, fighting Russians.
Note: At Stalingrad, the US was backing the Russian Communists, and fighting the Nazis. This time, in Ukraine, it is the opposite.
When history and markets are re-written by losers
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/oh-how-much-these-poles-hate-russia/
Appallingly grotesque.
The original article on the Saker's site has some excellent comments.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2015/01/oh-how-much-these-poles-hate-r...
I have relatives who are from the Ukraine. They tell the stories of WWII where Stalin's forces had glorious victories and some stategic withdrawals one after another as the Nazis invaded. It was very disconcerting for them how quickly those glorious victories drew closer and closer to Odessa.
Many of your relatives were forced to be human livestock for the Nazis, pulling ammunition carts and field guns, and, in the end, fighting and dying alongside the fascist German invaders.
Very disconcerting for them, indeed.
At least some of them got working vacations on the French coast of the English Channel. I hear the weather there is lovely in June.
That might well be, but it is not how you start that is important, it is how you finish. Some of the Russian withdrawals lured the Germans further into the interior cold of Russia, where two winters chilled the Germans to the bones, literally.
I knew an Austrian man who worked in the propaganda division. He was involved in setting loudspeakers up, that bombarded the Russians with "Stalingrad-Massengrab" mass grave. I don't know if the Russians understood the words.
The Germans had to take the batteries for the vehicles into their sleeping bags so they would not split open from the frost. They would light a fire under the engines in the morning, and the bottom would be red hot, yet the top still frozen. The relief planes dropping off supply to the encircled Germans under Paulus could not switch off the engines, or they would not start again. It was sometimes down below minus 40 degrees centigrade. Birds were falling dead out of the sky.
And when he saw my American Black Felt Navy long coat, which I had bougt cheaply at a military surplus store in Scandinavia he said "We didn't even have clothes like this" And they didn't. Hitler thought they would run the Russians over like they had most of Europe, and there were very few winter uniforms and general equipment available. The offensive was postponed repeatedly, and when they found themselves in the middle of Russia, with stretched supply lines courtesy of "technical withdrawals" the winter suddenly changed the picture from hero to zero.
And NATO/USA?Obama is trying to provoke a fight with the Russians? You must be delusional if not downright stupid.
Why would they care about Odessa if they were Ukrainian? Thats the Russian half. Plus ukraine had only been around for about 20-25 years by then.
Cos they greedy "Red" Oligarchs and also the ones running Kiev.
Odessa at one time was very large population, some say majority.
Kolomoiskyi thinks he owns it
if he gone, the rest will be stepping differently
Well it would probably depend on where his relatives live. Anyone in Kherson or Kahrkiv ( Kharkov for the Russkies joining us) would have been real concerned. Odessa held out pretty well. Actually at that time Ukrainian and Russian soliders alike died defending Crimea...which was a part of Russia at the time. Didn't actually become Ukraine until the 50's. So you can imagine...There are loads of people who had grandfathers still defending Semfiropol..Sevastopol and the peninsula and died as Russians at the time. Now their relatives have to live under leadership that came to power using a catalyst sporting a swastika. I mean...i get that it's hard from someone not from there to understand...but it's one of those " you just had to be there" things. A whole bunch of grandfathers never made it back from the war to Odessa...and now their grandkids have to see people wearing swastikas burn people inside of government buildings.
send in blackwater
Academi is their new name and they are already there.
Hopefully these asinine mercs come home in body bags.
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Looks like the Academi/Gheystone retirement/pension funds will have a few less people collecting from it. From today's press conference by Eduard Basurin, the DPR Minister of Defense:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/01/press-conference-of-minister-of-def...
The Expendables.
The Ukraine military have only suffered a flesh wound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikssfUhAlgg&t=56s
They will call it a draw.
The other day, or two days ago, my local paper reported Ukraine retook the airport but a few hours later that article disappeared and no further reports were made about Ukraine. It doesn't exist.
It happens for the 5 time since 5 month. The frontline is still the same. But the airport is kaputt, a meager prize for the winner.
Let's be fair.
The separatists are fighting for their lives.
The Ukarnians are fighting for Poroshenko. Would you?
I would not call that a fair assessment, no. more of a propagandistic one, imho
in this specific case of this airport, it was Ukrainian forces that were holding it, and separatist attacking it. just saying
How can you justify anything the CIA/Nuland Kiev puppets are doing in the Ukraine?
You surely understand that the expansion of NATO under Clinton, Bush and Obama has led to this ongoing disaster?
I am not justifying what the CIA or Nuland are doing. But Ukraine is still a sovereign nation... with a separatist region in arms
at this point I do not see why I should be partisan of either side. It's a conflict, and one that should stop asap
now I understand that many here have a need to be on one side or the other. I'd prefer peace
and those who insist of making a "white hat vs black hat" thing out if it just fan the flames and pour oil on them
Yes, well, there's also the small matter that the airport has virtually zero strategic or tactical military value — except that it (was) a virtual fortress, not just because of its heavy construction but also due to heavily-reinforced bomb shelters.
The Nazis held it for one purpose only — to more easily shell Donetsk residential districts, hospitals, kindergartens, water treatment and power plants....
Just as it created and trained Al Quaeda and ISIS, the entire purpose of the US-installed Nazis is to terrorize and decimate the civilian population.
They seldom pick a fight with Novorossiyan defense forces; when they do, it's most often in order to secure a better position from which to murder and maim civilians — and they almost always get chewed to pieces by the Novorossiyan forces.
[VIDEO - 02:10] 22.01.2015 Ukrainian crisis news. Latest news of Ukraine, DPR, Kiev, Poland
The Vineyard of the Saker
22 January
^ WARNING: sardonic humor begins at 00:39
Frontline Update: Novorossia liberates more towns, overruns Ukrainian checkpoints.
Fort Russ
22 January
LPR fighter Sych:…“We are turning up the heat. At the same time we are heavily shelling Ukrainian positions along the entire frontline, except for Stanitsa (we are using mortars there). Gorlovka militia is clearing Shumy. Likewise DPR is announcing the capture of Krasnyy Partizan and Verkhnetroitskoye, which are being cleared. Fighting in Avdeevka is continuing.
Peski is fully under our control, Ukrainians are counterattacking. But this is the decisive stage, the militia offensive. Unconfirmed information indicates we have taken the 37th checkpoint. We are also attacking the 28th (that’s confirmed) and the town of Orekhovo...
Translator’s Note: …The earlier reports that Kharkov is being fortified indicates Ukrainian authorities fear their frontline is liable to collapse…<b>Zakharchenko [DPR head] is making good on his threat to continue the advance until Poroshenko finally stops playing games.
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Terror in Kharkov
The Ukranian forces were just holding it? All peaceful like, planting flowers and shit? Is that what you really think happened here? The irony of your use of the word "propagandistic" is rich.
You also deflected from the orignal point. There are videos on youtube of captured Ukie soldiers who say they were lied to, told they were on a "rescue" mission, then sent right into combat to try and retake the airport. Naturally, they got their asses kicked.
What's really happening here is that the Ukranian military is being sent to kill their fellow Ukraninans in the east. Most humans have a natural tendency to reject such a notion, so lies and brainwashing are essential. The rebels, on the other hand, are men (and women) defending their homes and children. They have the clear moral advatange, and the clear motivational advantage.
"What's really happening here is that the Ukranian military is being sent to kill their fellow Ukraninans in the east."
Correct. And they're being sent to do it by a government hijacked by NATO/Ziocon/IMF forces.
Actually most Ukrainians have fled Donetsk. They hate the rebels and they hate Putin. They are pissed about the "annexation" of Crimea. They are pissed that Putin is attacking their country. They support their troops and their government and this fight to get Putin out of Ukraine. They will continue fighting until they have Crimea back as well. Putin, the invader, deserves everything he gets. He will lose in the end.
Congrats, you have found the on/off button on your computer.
However, in light of your demonstrable ignorance in the information age, you should considering flipping that switch back to the off position.
Stock, I'm sharing with you my post in the WashPost today:
So Russia invaded Ukraine? You lying propaganda hacks.
1) Show us the pictures of the Russian armor in Ukraine.
2) Show us pictures of the destroyed Russian tank column the Nazi regime in Kiev said they shelled.
3) Show us pictures of Russian troops in the Donbass region.
4) Show us pictures of captured Russian troops.
5) Call on Google to repost the photos that they scrubbed of the downed MH-17, complete with its 30mm cannon holes, and graze marks on the left wing demonstrating it was a Ukraine SU-25 that murdered the passengers. (If it weren't so, the report proving a missile fired by the anti-Nazi Freedom Fighters in the Donbass downed the plane would have long ago been released and trumpeted on the front page of every Western newspaper. Instead, it's buried.)
That's a nice start. Of course you can't do that, because your narrative of a Russian invasion is a lie. That makes you liars.
If you want to get started on the truth, indict Victoria Nuland in the International Court of Justice for Crimes Against Humanity - bring Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama along as accessories. Her infamous "F*** the EU" concerning the $5-million she and the other neo-cans pumped into the armed coup against the legitimately elected government of the Ukraine has resulted in the deaths of over 10,000 men, women, and children - and other Crimes Against Humanity such as the incineration of innocent people in the Odessa civic building fire.
Before Victoria, there was peace.
These people have profaned the sacrifice made by tens of thousands of American troops to wipe the Nazis from the face of the Earth in WWII. Now the US, through its out-of-control administration is actually backing and maintaining Nazis in power in Kiev.
Could any WWII veteran ever imagine the US being a backer of a Nazi government? How far you, Washington Post, have gone down the Black Hole of psychotic sociopathic mentality by doing exactly that - you have no shame, no guilt, and no conscience.
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You are speaking of the future. The guys who will flee Kiew.
What an ignorant point of view.
I think it would save us all some time if the likes of you realize how an actual invasion would look. I'm not for one...I just can't help but snicker every time I hear about "Putin occupying" anything.
If he would give the command...that that should be very massive and quick.
Giving weapons to people whose homes are being shelled seems like a humaine thing to do...so they can at least not all die in one day. Which I know from listening to Ukies discuss all of this on Zello...they would very much prefer.
People die every day...kids...women...meanwhile...the Ukie leader is tugging along a piece of a bus to Davos...trying to gain support. The bus driver told Korrsepondent.net ( a Ukrainian website) that the shelling came from the north...where the ukies where. Major facepalm.
There's a difference between giving someone a means to defend their land ( again...they to this day have not moved to invade Kiev...they're just holding the army away from their homes) and actually providing full blown military support in the form of army divisions.
I don't think you fully grasp what a "russian invasion" would look like.
TOS-1, Topol -M, PAK FA T-50 and the T14 Armatas start deliveries in 2015. Putin probably sitting in an office "wishin' a nigga would".
They wouldn't even need a ground invasion. They have stealth bombers and ballistic missles.
It's only in a fight with poor miners in Donbass the Ukies can boast "advanacing" while then getting their ass handed to them.
That's why Proshenko is trying real hard to convince the world that there's some invasion...and 9K troops...and terrorists somewhere.
He knows that if he doesn't lie and built up the issue at hand...he is going to get crushed...and then thrown in to a garbage can a la recent Lustracia protests at the third Maidan.
"in this specific case of this airport, it was Ukrainian forces that were holding it, and separatist attacking it. just saying"
The Ukies have used their position in the Donetsk airport to shell civilians for months. People had to sleep in their basements. There was not the slightest military point to it, it was only a nazi-style terror operation. And they were holding that airport in Donbass, where they are the attackers.
Last I checked...the folks ( giggles) from self -prolaimed DNR and LNR were not shelling Kiev or Lviv. Seems like all the shelling is taking place right in the home towns of the regions fighting for independence. Ukrainian forces attacked Donetsk...and then holed up in the airport. So...help me understand the propaganda.
Some of them are fighting because Pravi Sektor has made threats against their families.
"Just a flesh wound."
It's called "strategery." Run away, run away! LOL.
Peace? We don't need no stinkin' peace!
The US will fight to the last Ukrainian!
Brave and bright Samantha Powers is not easily fooled. She knows full well that Vladimir Putin's peace proposal is an "occupation plan". She knows we need to "pull the veil away from Putin's peace plan and call it for what it is - a Russian occupation plan"
Not to worry; Lieutenant General Hodges, the USAEUR Commander, is in Ukraine right now, personally making an assessment and overseeing the preparations for American involvement in the coming days.
The United States will have boots on the ground in Ukraine just in time for the planned Spring offensive. The US has dropped all the clandestine arming and started to overtly equip and train the their NAZI proxies. The US war materiel spigot is now wide open and flowing.
Porky went to Davos, of all places, to personally denounce the latest wave of Russian invading forces, (36th or 37th invasion of Ukraine by some counts) consisting of "more than 9,000 soldiers and 500 tanks, heavy artillery and armored personnel carriers in eastern Ukraine".
U.S. Air Force General Philip Strangelove, er...Breedlove, NATO's supreme allied commander Europe, agrees that this latest wave of bloodthirsty Russian forces invading Ukraine must be stopped.
That shifty, lying, silver tongued Lavrov thinks he is slick- "I say every time: if you allege this so confidently, present the facts. But nobody can present the facts, or doesn't want to, so before demanding from us that we stop doing something, please present proof that we have done it."
The Russians may deny it, and no proof can be provided, but we know for a fact that an army of over over 10,000 Russian troops and their equipment is hiding inside the small area of Eastern Ukraine.
The CIA assessed that it is almost certain this latest invading army brought their Klingon cloaking devices.
This headline should be hitting the newslines soon.
Ukraine bankrupt- seeks 30 billion in immediate aid from the EU in order to stem complete collapse.
Yeah, pretty much.
Welcome to the euro zone.
"Ukraine bankrupt- seeks 30 billion in immediate aid from the EU in order to stem complete collapse. "
What, again?
"the IMF made it very clear that the 17 billion dollar loan package they are offering will be cancelled if Kiev fails to regain control of the east.
The Odessa Massacre - What REALLY HappenedIt's worth noting that Kiev began the third military offensive right after the IMF made that threat, and right after the massacre in Odessa, the IMF made the first 3.2 billion dollar payment towards that 17 billion. I guess they earned it."
So Porky sold out to the US state department, the imf and now the eu. "Ukraine for Ukrainians" - lmfao - stupid nazi fucks.
Porky has to follow Yats and Yats Nudelland.
How sick is that? We'll give you a loan if you blow up your country. It is like a dealer telling a junky he'll get his drugs only if he murders his family. The IMF can't die soon enough.
"the IMF made it very clear that the 17 billion dollar loan package they are offering will be cancelled if Kiev fails to regain control of the east."
Translation: "Your Loan Package is based on the following parameters: Divide the Body Count, by the Loan Amount, adding Territory taken and NATO will make up the rest."
It so happens that the EU is now poised to print a Trillion euros.
So, that was convenient.
Yes, and these swiss basterds foresaw them.
And pls to offshore accounts. Kiew maybe is not save enough.
Seeks 30 billion to cover Soros' losses and the usual oligarchic looting.
Well, there goes half of February's ECB's QE. More to follow of course.
so then...merely a flesh wound?
Edit: ( mcm beat me to it above :p )
I think he means retrograde advance.
Christ, that Nazi Poroshenko is just throwing people into a meat grinder. 59 year old men with two weeks of training, give'em a gun, then force them off to fight "the Russians." Even if the militias they were fighting weren't the people of that land, it would be so grossly irresponsible and inhumane as to condemn him to the Blue Lotus Hell. All those kids dead for fuckall nothing.
Somewhere out there, some sicko Neocons are laughing their asses off in sheer incredulity that the Ukes put up with that kind of hardship, without even a peep.
"A people deserve their leaders" comes to mind.
From a tribal perspective this is just one part of the powerful urge to recreate and spread througout the world conditions as they existed in the pale of the settlement 200 years ago when the majority were impoverished serfs and the tribe dominated the professions and the economy. We are half way there in the U.S., and nearly all the way there in Ukraine!
Looking at the pictures, not much worth defending.
runways are the strategic asset there, not buildings. runways are the equivalent of a "stargate", for 21st Century logistics
The runway of that particular airport was already useless several months ago. Rebels couldn't take Peski and Avdeevka without taking the airport first. Peski and Avdeevka were important because that's where UAF were shelling Dontesk from.
Nope, the runway isn't worth shit. It had been destroyed by September. Zero strategic value. A grass field has more utility as an airstrip.
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/110134.html
The only value of the airport was in the buildings. The control tower had been useful as a position from which artillery spotters could operate, and the underground complex was a fortress-like location from which the Ukies could defend the artillery batteries in Peski.
in my experience runways can be restored to functionality inside of days. but anyway, thanks for the corrections and the interesting link and infos
more vineyardofthesaker, less lamestream media...
The Zionist Neo Nazi regime of Keiv. Go figure.
The Luciferian Neo Nazi regime of Keiv. We shouldn't spread disinfo right?
Suicide by printing.
The first picture is not the airport, it looks like a de-construction site. Let them have it, then shell the crap out of them.
You can clearly see the boarding chute at the right side of the picture - it's the airport.
Here is another picture of the new terminal. Yes that is a tank turret embedded upside down on the first floor of the building.
https://pp.vk.me/c622028/v622028731/16368/GngsUjMSUMo.jpg
Enjoy your cookies Nudleman, hope you die a slow death from pancreatic cancer.
pods
Heaven knows I echo your sentiments, but pancreatic cancer is one of the faster ones. By the time you know you've got it, it's over. Unless you're Steve Jobs and can buy a few bodies to live in.
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UKRAINE -2
If Russia couldn't beat Ukraine is when you should be surprised. Ukraine is just a third world place that East and West can fuck with each other over and nobody really cares.
Historical note of interest:
If memory serves, wasn't Ukraine referred to as the breadbasket of the USSR?
Yes, of course it was.
That didn't work out too well as I recall.
The reason why it didn't work out is becuase just like their moscow counterparts...kiev doesn't know how to create a favorable business environment to stimulate productive, efficient investment.
All of the money is always stolen and divided up between those in power. When Yanukovich was in power...his party of regions was the one getting all the money. Now it's going to be Yats n Klitch n Co. along with all of the Lyashko/Turchinov and Timoshenkos of the world. And musical chairs continues.
To be fair...russia is the same way. rather than creating an environment where millionnaires would want to invest internally and grown the economy, they keep changing tax codes and investment guidelines which creat uncertainty and a vaccum of stimuli.
Brainless and useless...with all due respect :)
Not originally. The land that is Ukraine today (and a good portion of Poland) was referred to as the "breadbasket of Europe" for the last few centuries. Its rich glacial till topsoil is comparable to the fertile farmlands of the U.S. upper midwest - which are also glacial till deposits.
The Ukraine SSR did provide about a quarter of the USSR's agricultural output during Soviet times, so I suppose the "breadbasket of the USSR" would have applied equally well back then.
Ukraine's fertile agricultural lands are for grabs. Currently big western agro-businesses are buying up the place and biotech firms already have arrived. Legislation is already being prepared. But the Chernozem belt in which Ukraine lies extents all the way deep into Russia. Russia never managed to get agriculture really well off the ground. Russia does not allow GMO. While Ukraine readies itself to produce GMO and poison its land with glyphosate, Russia will stay away from that. Russia just needs to get its agriculture better managed.
go to theecologist.org and search there for Ukraine. You will see that this conflict has many sides you don't hear about.
It sucks having a geopolitical important strategic position and not having the means to protect that from foreign interference. Go ask Poland and go ask ex-Yugoslavia.
Invasions?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421782837&v=5WCwRAmgtKQ&x-yt-cl=84...
POV of airport takeover
Yup looks like war to me.
or you lost .
All right, we'll call it a draw.
Oh, oh, I see! Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!
"We've beaten the enemy to a pulp and we have RETREATED as a consequence..." Yeah, buuudddy!....... Well, why not? We've got New Math, this is New War...
I suggest you check your math. Look at the photo's again.
Holding the airport would have been a benefit to WUk as it is their goal to take the entire city. But, the primary goal was accomplished, the airport is destroyed and cannot be used again. It would take years to rebuild even if no shelling occured (and it shelling would occur).
What does Kiev's airport look like? Doesn't NATO land planes at it on a regular basis.
EUk has a very good advantage in the kill ratio. But do not let that fool you as to who is winning. In general the rebels decidedly win more battles (so far) but are losing the war. By threatening the gas supply Putin got the west to launch an offensive before NATO wanted to, but EUk better be braced for what will be unleashed soon. I do not see how EUk can win without air support by Russia.
How many bombed out cities are in WUkraine? Any? Something will be occuring in the next 3 months, perhaps Putin will make a surprise move first, perhaps Putin will make a move and get directly involved when the real offensive is unleashed (despite Putin saying Russia will not act regardless).
But for now the sad reality is the EUk forces are better, motivated, use better tactics (hence new "advisors" for the WUk) and have held well. But the fight is in their cities, it is their cities being destroyed and they are Holding not Winning.
Being the home team for a modern total war is no advantage. Sure, to win you only have to survive, while your adversary has to overcome you to win, but your adversary can just go home if things aren't working out and your home is a pile of rubble by that time. The reality of "Winning" isn't like what first comes to mind.
The fascists did not retreat from the airport last night. They lost the airport a week ago. Kiev delayed relaying the news
I believe the Neo Nazis are running the Ukraine.....their willingness to kill their own citizens tells more than any thing else. If you don't follow the nazi party line, you are a traitor and not worthy of life. The evil will blowback on the bastards ....then you will see these heroes begging the world to take them in, and protect them .
I hope to be alive to see it.
...and if you do follow the Nazi Party line, they throw you out into a free fire zone without any tactics or strategy, essentially standing around until somebody shoots you.
That's what really convinced me, in the end. Even if you do follow these freaks' orders they'll still kill you for political convenience; unsustainable advantage; or just plain for fun. The neo-Nazis of DC can't be argued with, they can't be reasoned with, but they sure as Hell can be stopped.
interesting statement. do you believe or do you know?
and since you touched the theme in such a way: "willingness to kill their own citizens"... is a separatist that raises in rebellion and wishes to have a territory to become part of a different sovereign nation or independent... still a citizen?
George Washington was a rebel. He reneged his previous allegiance to the British Crown. Was he still a British citizen? When he commanded a rebel army? just asking
Poroshenko in Davos yesterday: Ukrainian is the only offical language of Ukraine (That's how it began in February 2014.)
Does that mean that English will also be the only official language in USSA?
Porkyshenko announced yesterday in Davos, that Ukraine will be 100% gas independent of Russia in 2016, due to alternate solutions and own shale. He then left, to "tend to escalating conflicts in E. Ukraine".
They got coke sniffing Hunter Biden to provide for fracking their shale except fracking has become too expensive, more so in Europe where due to geological reasons fracking is more complicated and therefore more expensive. Alternatives are buying gas from Norway or from other European countries that buy their gas from....you guessed it right: Russia. Oh, and Russia told the EU they can sod themselves and that they will divert gas supply away through Ukraine via Turkey and that the EU has to build the infrastructure to come and get it there. This after Russia cancelled South Stream because the EU was making all sorts of demands on the construction of that pipeline.
Fuck the EU is all one needs to remember.
A further point: The Separatists do not claim that they want to be part of Russia; they are Ukrainians. Their country was seized by outsiders assisted by a superpower and their hope is to retain their culture, their independence, their property and their freedom.
The Colonists fought the revolution because they were denied self government from the British. The Separatists are resisting the illegitimate Ukraine government because it is not providing them self government. Increasingly the British government treated the Colonists as slaves with no voice in their government. As such the takeover of the Ukrainian government by the Kiev junta immediately began a tyranny over eastern Ukraine, appointing its own representatives to control the people.
Like the Colonists, the Separatists have lost their freedom. Like the Colonists, they would have preferred a peaceful independence and self government. But like the British, the illegitimate Kiev government chose war.
...and like the British, they are going to lose it.
"Like the Colonists, they would have preferred a peaceful independence and self government. But like the British, the illegitimate Kiev government chose war."
Agreed. And I appreciate the accurate depiction of America's oldest enemy as the violence-prone force that they were and are.
If they wanted to retake the place, the way the English ruling elite did, they'd simply let them have their "Independence", then promptly set up a Central Bank for them.
All wars are bankster's wars. Time for banksters to back their liquid assets with their own liquid assets: Hemoglobin.
"George Washington was a rebel. He reneged his previous allegiance to the British Crown. Was he still a British citizen? When he commanded a rebel army? just asking"
Of course he was...until he won.
Had he lost, I'm sure the British Crown would have respected his citizenship right to hang on the gallows.
But it's a straw man argument. Killing a rebel leader is not the same as killing ordinary citizens by daily indiscriminate shelling.
well put. yes. now this thread is a bit dead, otherwise I'd be asking if this "indiscriminate shelling" is a war crime. then from what I see from afar, it isn't
war is ugly even when nobody is committing war crimes. a war zone is a damn war zone. I see too many comments here that treat this conflict as if was a football match, or a thing between a police force and a demonstration, or an archetypical rerun of the WWII battles
no, I have been in several war zones but not in this one. but the "indiscriminate shelling of ordinary citizens" smacks of propaganda nevertheless
Not everyone living in the Donbass is ethnic Russian. The Kiev junta is intentionally targeting civillians, which includes ethnic Ukrainians, so yes, by your definition, they are killing their own citizens.
This is a war crime, and while I have no expectation of the perpetrators being brought to justice at the Hague, I have every confidence that once out of power they'll be hunted down and dealt with, just as the Israelis did with fugitive Nazis.
As all know, only the losers go tom the Hague. So, you don't want to loose.
That's right. Of the Yugoslav wars of the 90s, 95% of convictions of the ICTY concerns Serbs while crimes committed against Serbs go virtually unpunished. Serbs also get higher sentences than war criminals from other ex-YU nations for similar crimes. The ICTY was flooded with 'free' American and British legal advisers, judges, prosecutors, etc. Serbs consider this court a NATO court with the purpose of demonizing Serbs and putting the blame for the war solely on Serbs. One of the purposes of the court is to promote reconciliation in the region but that is not happening at all. Also, suspiciously many Serbs held in jail there die before their trial is over. Milosevic is the most famous one. He died after he raised suspicion that he was being poisoned. Milosevic was a crook for sure but the charges he was faced with -genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc- could not be proven and the case against him fell apart. Conveniently for the court he died before a verdict was reached.
The most revealing detail we learned were the photos and videos of NATO equipment at the airport.
bizarre and absurd.
"...story confirmed by the Azov brigade ..."
What's the makeup of the Azov brigade? Here's a link from the BBC. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30414955
Yeah they fail to mention said battalion is made up of NEO NAZIS. Must have been an honest ommission.
Here's a link with a more accurate depiction of the Azov brigade:
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/109357.html
"Breedlove" is obviously not what he is trying to do.
The BBC’s reporting today implied the reason for the withdrawal of the Ukrainian forces is that they are being pushed out by the heavy fighting. Kiev media has all the authenticity of the mainstream US media; none, as they are controlled by the same people, as are the spokesmen for both governments.
And this includes the recently established news channel (August 2014), Ukraine Today (UT).*
Who Controls the Ukraine | The French Connection
The following was written by Vladimir Borisov, possibly in January 2005:
“Ukraine, which parted from Russia in 1991, has never achieved a true independent state. Just like in Russia, or even 80 years earlier in the Weimar Republic, a tribe of vultures descended upon the body of the nation.”
In the early 1990s, backed by the financial power of international Jewish bankers, the vultures bought for pennies, and plainly seized, all major enterprises previously owned by the state, Including the biggest factories and entire sectors of the newly "privatized" national economy.
According to the 2001 Ukrainian census, there are 103,000 Jews in Ukraine, which is 0.2% of the total population. Out of 130 nationalities in the Ukraine, the Jewish minority numerically is behind Bulgarians (204,000), Hungarians (156,000), Romanians (151,000) and Poles (144,000). However, as one might expect, the Jewish "oligarchs" were the ones who happened to seize all positions in mass media.
Professor Vasyl Yaremenko, director of the Institute of Culturological and Ethnopolitical research at Kiev State University, released an article in 2003 entitled, "Jews in Ukraine today: reality without myths." In it he says the following:
"Ukrainians need to know that the mass media is completely in the hands of Jews, and everything that we watch or read is the product of Jewish ideology…"
He then reviews the situation in regards to Ukrainian network television and cable broadcasters:
• "First National Television Channel UT-1" is owned by the president of the Social Democratic Party, led and dominated by chief of staff Viktor Medvedchuk.
• "Inter TV" and "Studio 1+1 TV" have been Ukrainian national broadcasters since 1996, they are available in English, Ukrainian and Russian languages. They are owned by Viktor Medvedchuk and Gregory Surkis.
• "Alternativa TV", "TET Broadcasting Company", and "UNIAN (Ukrainian Independent Information & News Agency)" are also owned by Viktor Medvedchuk and Gregory Surkis.
• "STB TV" and "ICTV" are owned by the Viktor Pinchuk, the wealthiest man in Ukraine, with an estimated net worth of $3 billion.
• "Novyi Kanal (New Channel) TV" is owned by Viktor Pinchuk with a group of Jewish oligarchs from Russia called "Alpha Group."
Zionists control all of Ukrainian television media.
According to Professor Yaremenko, all major newspapers are also owned by Jews:
• The publishing house of Rabinovich-Katsman owns the newspapers Stolychka, Stolichnye Novosti, Jewish Review (in Russian), Jewish Reviewer, Vek, Mig, and Zerkalo .
• Jed Sandes, an American citizen and a Jew, publishes Korrespondent and Kiev-Post.
• Gregory Surkis publishes Kievskie Vedomosti and the weekly 2000.
• Jew Dmitro Gordon publishes Bulvar.
• Viktor Pinchuk publishes Facts and Commentaries.
• The Donetsk Group (Jewish-Russian oligarchs) publishes Segondnya.
Who are these "Ukrainian" oligarchs?
Victor Pinchuk (Jewish) is the son-of-law of Ukrainian president Leonid Kuchma [Kuchma was placed into office by George Soros (Jewish)]. He is the owner of several oil, gas and energy import/export companies. He also owns the nation's largest steel mill and a chain of banks. His group has very strong ties with other Jewish organizations in Ukraine, as well as in the U.S. and Israel. He is a member of the Ukrainian Parliament, an adviser to the president, and one of the leaders of the Labor Ukrainian Party.
Vadim Rabinovich (Jewish) is a citizen of Israel. In 1980 he was charged with stealing state property and spent 9 months in a jail. In 1984 he was arrested and sentenced to 14 years in prison for his black market activities . He was released in 1990. In 1993 he became a representative of the Austrian company "Nordex" in Ukraine. The company received exclusive rights to sell Russian oil from president Kuchma . In 1997 Rabinovich became president of the All-Ukrainian Jewish Congress, and in 1999 he was elected head of the United Jewish Community of Ukraine. Also in 1999, Rabinovich created the Jewish Confederation of Ukraine. That same year the Associated Press estimated his wealth as $1 billion. Rabinovich owns Central Europe Media Enterprises, which controls television stations in seven East European countries.
Victor Medvedchuk (Jewish) is Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma's Chief of Staff. The Medvedchuk-Surkis cabal controls Ukraine's energy sector (8 regional energy companies), oil and gas market, alcohol and sugar production, shipbuilding, and athletic organizations. He is a member of the Ukrainian Parliament, and a leader in the Social Democratic party of Ukraine (SDPU).
Gregory Surkis (Jewish) is second in command of the SDPU. He owns a soccer team, Dynamo-Kiev, and is a president of the Professional Soccer League. He is CEO of Slavutich, a company that controls several regional energy companies (KirovogradEnergo, PoltavEnergo, etc). He too is a member of the Ukrainian Parliament.
Professor Yaremenko points out that out of the 400+ members of the Ukrainian Parliament, 136 (possibly 158) are Jews. That is more than in the Israeli Knesset. Who voted for them, asks professor Yaremenko. Who paid for costly election campaigns? — 90% of Ukrainian banks are owned by Jews.
Ukraine is the perfect example of so-called Democracy - "democracy" where the rule of a tiny, ethnic minority is disguised under the cloak of the will and rule of the majorityDoes it surprise anyone to see the rise in "anti-Semitism" around the world, and in Ukraine in particular?
"Jews in Ukraine: Reality Without Myth" was published on Sept. 30, 2003, and was the article that prompted the Ukrainian Jewish Congress to file a lawsuit asking the court to shut down the newspaper Sel'skie Vesti, which published it. Sel'skie Vesti had a circulation of over 500,000 and was the largest in Ukraine.
On Jan. 28, a court in Kiev, Ukraine, ordered the closure of the daily newspaper on the grounds that it was publishing "hate literature," a crime in Jewish-owned Ukraine. The newspaper was found guilty of publishing "anti-Semitic" materials, and promoting ethnic and religious hostility….
Prior to being shut down, the newspaper published many letters from its readers, which were reprinted by Jewish organizations and used as "proof" of Ukraine"anti-Semtism."
http://iamthewitness.com/Ukraine.html
*The channel Ukraine Today has its history based on its origins on two previous English-language news channels owned by the owner of 1+1 Media, Ihor Kolomoyskyi. Kolomoyskyi earlier owned Jewish News 1, which closed on the 22 April 2014, and the intermediary channel Ukraine News 1,[3] which took over and closed around about June 2014. Ten journalists of Jewish News 1 then moved over the new channel.[4]
1. The word "freedom," which can be interpreted in various ways, is defined by us as follows -
2. Freedom is the right to do what which the law allows. This interpretation of the word will at the proper time be of service to us, because all freedom will thus be in our hands, since the laws will abolish or create only that which is desirable for us according to the aforesaid program.
3. We shall deal with the press in the following way: what is the part played by the press to-day? It serves to excite and inflame those passions which are needed for our purpose or else it serves selfish ends of parties. It is often vapid, unjust, mendacious, and the majority of the public have not the slightest idea what ends the press really serves. We shall saddle and bridle it with a tight curb: we shall do the same also with all productions of the printing press, for where would be the sense of getting rid of the attacks of the press if we remain targets for pamphlets and books? The produce of publicity, which nowadays is a source of heavy expense owing to the necessity of censoring it, will be turned by us into a very lucrative source of income to our State: we shall law on it a special stamp tax and require deposits of caution-money before permitting the establishment of any organ of the press or of printing offices; these will then have to guarantee our government against any kind of attack on the part of the press. For any attempt to attack us, if such still be possible, we shall inflict fines without mercy. Such measures as stamp tax, deposit of caution-money and fines secured by these deposits, will bring in a huge income to the government. It is true that party organs might not spare money for the sake of publicity, but these we shall shut up at the second attack upon us. No one shall with impunity lay a finger on the aureole of our government infallibility. The pretext for stopping any publication will be the alleged plea that it is agitating the public mind without occasion or justification. I BEG YOU TO NOTE THAT AMONG THOSE MAKING ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO BE ORGANS ESTABLISHED BY US, BUT THEY WILL ATTACK EXCLUSIVELY POINTS THAT WE HAVE PRE-DETERMINED TO ALTER.
WE CONTROL THE PRESS4. NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them.
5. If already now we have contrived to possess ourselves of the minds of the GOY communities to such an extent the they all come near looking upon the events of the world through the colored glasses of those spectacles we are setting astride their noses; if already now there is not a single State where there exist for us any barriers to admittance into what GOY stupidity calls State secrets: what will our positions be then, when we shall be acknowledged supreme lords of the world in the person of our king of all the world ....
6. Let us turn again to the FUTURE OF THE PRINTING PRESS. Every one desirous of being a publisher, librarian, or printer, will be obliged to provide himself with the diploma instituted therefore, which, in case of any fault, will be immediately impounded. With such measures THE INSTRUMENT OF THOUGHT WILL BECOME AN EDUCATIVE MEANS ON THE HANDS OF OUR GOVERNMENT, WHICH WILL NO LONGER ALLOW THE MASS OF THE NATION TO BE LED ASTRAY IN BY-WAYS AND FANTASIES ABOUT THE BLESSINGS OF PROGRESS. Is there any one of us who does not know that these phantom blessings are the direct roads to foolish imaginings which give birth to anarchical relations of men among themselves and towards authority, because progress, or rather the idea of progress, has introduced the conception of every kind of emancipation, but has failed to establish its limits .... All the so-called liberals are anarchists, if not in fact, at any rate in thought. Every one of them in hunting after phantoms of freedom, and falling exclusively into license, that is, into the anarchy of protest for the sake of protest ....
FREE PRESS DESTROYED7. We turn to the periodical press. We shall impose on it, as on all printed matter, stamp taxes per sheet and deposits of caution- money, and books of less than 30 sheets will pay double. We shall reckon them as pamphlets in order, on the one hand, to reduce the number of magazines, which are the worst form of printed poison, and, on the other, in order that this measure may force writers into such lengthy productions that they will be little read, especially as they will be costly. At the same time what we shall publish ourselves to influence mental development in the direction laid down for our profit will be cheap and will be read voraciously. The tax will bring vapid literary ambitions within bounds and the liability to penalties will make literary men dependent upon us. And if there should be any found who are desirous of writing against us, they will not find any person eager to print their productions in print the publisher or printer will have to apply to the authorities for permission to do so. Thus we shall know beforehand of all tricks preparing against us and shall nullify them by getting ahead with explanations on the subject treated of.
8. Literature and journalism are two of the most important educative forces, and therefore our government will become proprietor of the majority of the journals. This will neutralize the injurious influence of the privately-owned press and will put us in possession of a tremendous influence upon the public mind .... If we give permits for ten journals, we shall ourselves found thirty, and so on in the same proportion. This, however, must in no wise be suspected by the public. For which reason all journals published by us will be of the most opposite, in appearance, tendencies and opinions, thereby creating confidence in us and bringing over to us quite unsuspicious opponents, who will thus fall into our trap and be rendered harmless.
9. In the front rank will stand organs of an official character. They will always stand guard over our interests, and therefore their influence will be comparatively insignificant.
10. In the second rank will be the semi-official organs, whose part it will be to attack the tepid and indifferent.
11. In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, off position, which, in at least one of its organs, will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards.
12. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions - aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists .... Like the Indian idol "Vishnu" they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for them.
13. In order to direct our newspaper militia in this sense we must take special and minute care in organizing this matter. Under the title of central department of the press we shall institute literary gatherings at which our agents will without attracting attention issue the orders and watchwords of the day. By discussing andcontroverting, but always superficially, without touching the essence of the matter, our organs will carry on a sham fight fusillade with the official newspapers solely for the purpose of giving occasion for us to express ourselves more fully than could well be done from the outset in official announcements, whenever, of course, that is to our advantage.
14. THESE ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO SERVE ANOTHER PURPOSE, NAMELY, THAT OUR SUBJECTS WILL BE CONVINCED TO THE EXISTENCE OF FULL FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SO GIVE OUR AGENTS AN OCCASION TO AFFIRM THAT ALL ORGANS WHICH OPPOSE US ARE EMPTY BABBLERS, since they are incapable of finding any substantial objections to our orders.
ONLY LIES PRINTED15. Methods of organization like these, imperceptible to the public eye but absolutely sure, are the best calculated to succeed in bringing the attention and the confidence of the public to the side of our government. Thanks to such methods we shall be in a position as from time to time may be required, to excite or to tranquillize the public mind on political questions, to persuade or to confuse, printing now truth, now lies, facts or their contradictions, according as they may be well or ill received, always very cautiously feeling our ground before stepping upon it .... WE SHALL HAVE A SURE TRIUMPH OVER OUR OPPONENTS SINCE THEY WILL NOT HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSITION ORGANS OF THE PRESS IN WHICH THEY CAN GIVE FULL AND FINAL EXPRESSION TO THEIR VIEWS owing to the aforesaid methods of dealing with the press. We shall not even need to refute them except very superficially.
16. Trial shots like these, fired by us in the third rank of our press, in case of need, will be energetically refuted by us in our semi-official organs.
17. Even nowadays, already, to take only the French press, there are forms which reveal masonic solidarity in acting on the watchword: all organs of the press are bound together by professional secrecy; like the augurs of old, not one of their numbers will give away the secret of his sources of information unless it be resolved to make announcement of them. Not one journalist will venture to betray this secret, for not one of them is ever admitted to practice literature unless his whole past has some disgraceful sore or other .... These sores would be immediately revealed. So long as they remain the secret of a few the prestige of the journalist attacks the majority of the country - the mob follow after him with enthusiasm.
18. Our calculations are especially extended to the provinces. It is indispensable for us to inflame there those hopes and impulses with which we could at any moment fall upon the capital, and we shall represent to the capitals that these expressions are the independent hopes and impulses of the provinces. Naturally, the source of them will be always one and the same - ours. WHAT WE NEED IS THAT, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE ARE IN THE PLENITUDE POWER, THE CAPITALS SHOULD FIND THEMSELVES STIFLED BY THE PROVINCIAL OPINION OF THE NATIONS, I.E., OF A MAJORITY ARRANGED BY OUR AGENTUR. What we need is that at the psychological moment the capitals should not be in a position to discuss an accomplished fact for the simple reason, if for no other, that it has been accepted by the public opinion of a majority in the provinces.
19. WHEN WE ARE IN THE PERIOD OF THE NEW REGIME TRANSITIONAL TO THAT OF OUR ASSUMPTION OF FULL SOVEREIGNTY WE MUST NOT ADMIT ANY REVELATION BY THE PRESS OF ANY FORM OF PUBLIC DISHONESTY; IT IS NECESSARY THAT THE NEW REGIME SHOULD BE THOUGHT TO HAVE SO PERFECTLY CONTENDED EVERYBODY THAT EVEN CRIMINALITY HAS DISAPPEARED ... Cases of the manifestation of criminality should remain known only to their victims and to chance witnesses - no more.
First published in 1905. Much progress made sense as 90% of the world's media (including movie industry, TV, Radio and newpapers) are now controlled by Zionists. I do not exaggerate.
Progressives control all that shit man. Big government progressive criminals. I do not care where they came from, jews, godless assclowns, islamist dhimmi's, who gives a fuck.
The US State dept is staffed with progressive criminals.
I guarantee you there are zero constitutional conservatives calling the US State Dept foreign policy shots.
Progressives and their policy's are death to millions of citizens.
Grimaldus
As a student of Alternate* History, please provide Source or References for remaining text to peruse/review.
* "ALL knowledge is interesting -- even or especially if it does not align with official secular or religious dogma", is my position.
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion....google it. Interesting reading.
Read this document in 1995 and when it said THEY would attain all their evil goals using "terrorism", it was know then what the wicked path would bring and sure enough, the false fa;lag event on 9/11 happened and the rest is written here like it is a blue print of what these Babylonians have planed for the world at large.
One also notice the kick the dog attitude towards masons in the terminology the elders use in describing them as "useless idiots" and how they are also to be used as tools to attain the evil world domination for the king of the world.
This was a foreshadow of what was to come and so far, much of it has manifested. Even now, much of it is in the process of finishing these world domination and population elimination agendas.
WORLD CONQUEST THROUGH WORLD JEWISH GOVERNMENT
THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
Ukraine has never been a sovereign nation.
:)) russia, also, has never been a sovereign nation: she has always belonged to some psycho, either call him stalin or hruschiov, brejenv, putin etc... but never to her own people.
each of them wanted his own little empire. now russia it's putin's toy:)))
Given that the Uke Zio-Oligarchs have a shady or criminal past, I'd call them the "Jewish Mafia" (an organized crime group, based on an ethnic group, like any other*), which is quite real.
* Jewish Mafia, Italian Mafia, Russian Mafia, Albanian Mafia, Mexican Mafia...
What's truly disturbing, is that their crimes are suddenly acceptable outside of Israel, and are now sanctioned not only by the Israeli government, but the US government as well. And by leveraged/bullied extension, also by NATO governments.
Un-fucking-believable, but true. It's as though Tribal criminals and thieves will not be tolerated within the Tribe, but get the full blessing and support of its secular and spiritual leaders, if they practice their crimes elsewhere.
Seems like "Imperialism via Proxy-NGO crimelords."
This is the second bus massacre in as many weeks in Donetsk. The Uke army is using terror tactics to convince the Donetsk citizens to flee. More of central Donetsk was bombed yesterday and a crowd of refugees headed to the Russian border again. According the Voice of Sevastopol website, Uke planes are dropping big mines on targets in Gorlovka and Donetsk. Not targeted, just indiscriminate.
Nazis are so fucking stupid. Every offensive action not taken against a military target is a complete waste of effort. They'll go to incredible lengths to terrorize women and children but run away from every engagement where anyone shoots back. You see this in Jewistan all the time - the IDF is great at bombing hospitals and terrible at facing armed men.
Like the cops in USSA.
1 dog
46 gunshots
8 cops
13 hits
1 homeless guy
I let you guess the story...
BEHOLD the fruits of american policy. So loving! Maybe that smug fat bitch Victoria Nuland can go hand out some cookies at the airport.
She can take Obama with her and he can read from his teleprompter how USA is the land of the free and the home of the brave