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"I'm So Ashamed" - Meet The Drone Operator Who Helped Kill 1,626 People And Walked Away

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The face of America's unauthorized offshore wars has changed over the years, and these days it can most often be found watching the infrared screen of a terminal in some heavily-guarded air force base on US soil, operating heavily-armed, remote-controlled drones thousands of miles away, tasked with executing a lethal mission which usually involves one or more "collateral" casualties.

For almost five years, Brandon Bryant was one of those faces, and worked in America's secret drone program bombing targets in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

He was told that he helped to kill 1,626 people, but as time went by he felt uneasy with what he was doing. He found it hard to sleep and started dreaming in infra-red.

What made him stop? "The actual breaking point happened when we were hunting an American citizen, and they were saying he was maybe the next bin Laden. This was an American citizen - these were the people that I swore to protect. I believe that at that moment we were doing the wrong thing and that was when I decided to turn my back and walk away."

There were countless others who were happy to fill his vacant position.

Below is Brandon Bryant full interview with BBC's Witness program about his doubts and the mission that convinced him it was time to stop.

 

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Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:13 | 5698492 Ignatius
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You see the latest Navy ad playing during NFL games?  A nervous, worried looking family surrounded in concentric circles by dozens and dozens of navy personnel there "to protect them, to protect America."  Fighter jet flyovers, the military owns the fuckin' NFL.

Oh, and, Go 'Hawks!

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:55 | 5698622 Overfed
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I too hope that our champions from FEMA region X will prevail over their opponents from FEMA region I.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:21 | 5698815 Ignatius
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Well played, sir.  Well played.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:23 | 5698824 25or6to4
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Ignatius
Let me give you an easy solution to your indignation towards the teevee programing. Cancel your cable/sat and throw your TV out the window or use it as a boat anchor. Problem solved.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:31 | 5698973 Ignatius
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Dumped cable TV years ago.  Only watch occassional football, usually at a bar - cable internet only.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:00 | 5698464 Freddie
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Tatted up muderring douchebag but his bosses are worse.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:01 | 5698467 no more banksters
Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:04 | 5698476 Beowulf55
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You work for the government because you trust the government.  Why would they lie to you?  It's easy to kill someone when you are told he is a terrorist.  Especially when you are told that he/she/it are a threat to the government.  You just follow orders and chant USA USA USA!  It is just an necessary evil that you do.

 

I really do not have any sympathy for someone who is themselves, is a drone.

 

I hope the all the dreams he has for the rest of his life is in infra-red and he is forced to re-live each of those missions.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:29 | 5698715 TungstenBars
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Good chance that the last thing going through his mind will be a bullet by his own hand. 

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:16 | 5698935 Parrotile
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As has happened before, amongst YOUNGER Veterans . . . . http://www.stripes.com/report-suicide-rate-spikes-among-young-veterans-1.261283

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:06 | 5698479 reader2010
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Killings bring in profit. Moar money is always better! They must replace all human soilders with self-repairing, self-learning and self-reproduing Robots to overcome that stupid human limitations. Google "Living Machines Project" instead.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:57 | 5698641 Overfed
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Insanity.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:21 | 5698941 Parrotile
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Socially Beneficial / Ecologically Beneficial - popular buzz phrases of the Planetary Landlords (see Davos Meeting for examples).

Their idea of "socially beneficial" relates to their society, not necessarily ours, and is "subject to amendment in light of new perspectives / information" . . . .

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:06 | 5698484 NubianSundance
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This guy wouldn't get far up the pole working for Goldman Sachs. He's not a sociopath.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:06 | 5698486 Peter Pan
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The greatest problem for Americans is that they have no viable alternative political party and never will have. They are destined to become nothing more than upper class North Koreans.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:14 | 5698512 Freddie
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It is amazing that we are hard wired by something - God, creator, science - who knows.  We are hard wired that something in most of us realizes this is wrong.  Our conscience or our brain knows it is wrong.  It tells us it is wrong and many do not listen.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:24 | 5698539 Buster Cherry
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Its called.the Holy Spirit.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:51 | 5698866 Jambo Mambo Bill
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and he also said: Holy shit 1626 times... now that's something wired wrong for sure

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:33 | 5698976 Clinteastwood
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Got that right.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:16 | 5698515 Son of Captain Nemo
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He's really, really, really, really, really,really, really, really,really, really, really sorry!

1,626 and 6 years worth of them to be exact!

Honest!!!

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:32 | 5698555 SmedleyButlersGhost
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I didn't watch the clip and don't need to. This guy is no different - other than by technique and results- from every US combat soldier. I don't blame them for trusting in the US government - I put the onus on those in charge. He hit his own Nuremburg moment of not following orders and deserves a break. Otherwise - just disband the military and see how that goes.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:51 | 5698604 TheGreatRecovery
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Anyone who trusts the government should take a government job, for that will teach him very quickly that his trust was misplaced.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:19 | 5698807 Jambo Mambo Bill
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"just disband the military"---???

 

I don't think you know what is going on son...

 

The military ind.complex own us all... a long freaking time ago already... we are just playing democracy in between the World conquest phases.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 00:03 | 5699023 Son of Captain Nemo
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I put the onus on those in charge. He hit his own Nuremburg moment of not following orders and deserves a break. Otherwise - just disband the military and see how that goes.

So SMB

After 14 years of the lies including the biggest lie which was the event that launched us into the great abyss economically and militarily with no bounderies, we should just continue to "blindly" chew our cud and place our complete trust and faith with those that have sold out to the banks and big oil that we entrust and pay for that swore allegiance and duty to uphold the laws of the land no matter how many times they violate and betray that "trust"?....

Simpleton! Or you're just a sellout whore!!!

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:17 | 5698518 cherry picker
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When Nazi peons claimed they were just following orders we laughed and showed them the gallows, expecting more from humanity.

Now, if someone refuses due to conscience, he or she is traitor and branded for life.

If human kind could eliminate hypocrisy, that would be one giant step forward, wouldn't it?

That is why I don't believe in evolution.  The human condition in respect to recorded history compared to now has not changed. Anyone having lived in a few countries and seeing how both sides live in each can attest to that.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:28 | 5698531 Son of Captain Nemo
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When Nazi peons claimed they were just following orders we laughed and showed them the gallows, expecting more from humanity.

Now, if someone refuses due to conscience, he or she is traitor and branded for life.

Well said cp

Wasn't it General Curtis Lemay that said the rules would have been completely different if Japan and Germany had won and the U.S. had not for the fire bombings of Tokyo and Dresden?...

I believe he even initimated that he was guilty of war crimes himself but had Nuremburg on his side -because after all he was of course on the winning team!

And that's all it ever was, is and shall be!

If you've never read Gruesome Harvest now is a good time to get acquainted with the myth that is "Saving Private Ryan"...

After all we know who directed it -Don't We?!!!

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:41 | 5698579 SmedleyButlersGhost
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So we're going to put the culpability of a General on the same level as a semi - geek drone operator?

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:39 | 5698732 UselessEater
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After reading more than one of Anthony Suttons works, it becomes a challenge to condemn the useful grunt on the ground following 'orders' however - even at the most basic level in the food chain we each have a personal choice... some go towards Wall St some to the military, other choose to teach Common Core or some other grunt work. Eventually a few wake up but are locked in what they are doing for various reasons.

Its ugly and embarrassing to realize you have believed, followed, perpetrated and enabled the B.S. which is so carefully orchestrated as Dr John Coleman for one example describes in various books like the Committee of 300 and Tavistock....

This grunts truth moment seems to be welcomed on mainstream BBC....a Tavistock darling. There is more than agenda with this story.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 00:27 | 5699031 Son of Captain Nemo
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So we're going to put the culpability of a General on the same level as a semi - geek drone operator?

And you're point is???...

We hung everything from corporals all the way up to generals in the German and Japanese military that did the same thing we've done to people in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Ukraine!

When all the leaders fail you by betraying the oaths they took to the U.S. Constitution then who is in charge?!!!

Either you never took civics in high school (or didn't care what your responsibilities were) or you're a fucking troll!

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:18 | 5698521 Vylahkinnen
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The US government is already working on reducing the number of drone operators. According to the AI Springer handbook they want to reduce the costs. Only one guy left. Won't be long and there won't be any operator on this thing anymore. Oh we took a civilian life in some third-world-country - my bad - who is gonna cry? Do you wanna make a multi-million dollar hollywood movie on some Pakistani kid? Angelina Jolie?

I will never forget that sentence in an interview - to be afraid of a blue sky. Well, some people are now...

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:31 | 5698551 disabledvet
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"Terminators. Rise of the machines.". Scary what we can do.  " That thing can run itself."

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:53 | 5698614 Silver Bullet
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You as well?

The blue sky comment was gut wrenching.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:28 | 5698543 disabledvet
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Be more interesting what he thinks about those drones coming after us.

 

Saying "I feel bad" doesn't mean you have a conscience.  Say "it is bad and it is wrong and I am worried if these things start heading our way" does.

 

Saying this shows respect both for the simplicity of what is done and how easy it can be to "do in reverse."

 

Of course "we always win" and all that.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:51 | 5698609 SmedleyButlersGhost
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You're a vet - really? Did you ever see combat? If so, did you do a long protracted analysis of your conscience while under fire? Long think on feel bad if you lived and the other guy didn't?

This guy is a low level geek. Get on with going for the top - at least he came to

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:15 | 5698683 cherry picker
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Buddy of mine was guarding a swift boat.  He heard something on the gangplank behind him and slit the perpetrator's throat.  He didn't have a choice.

In all the years I knew my friend, he only spoke of it once.

"He was just a kid and I was only 19.  I looked into his eyes.  It was if he was saying, 'is that it?'  I'll never forget that moment as long as I live."

My buddy's conscience bothered him.  Killing was not in his DNA, even if it was in self defense.

That is why so many hit skid row when they come back.  They just don't fit with the rest anymore. The rest don't know, could never walk in their shoes.

 

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:57 | 5698885 General Decline
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My uncle served in Vietnam and once told my dad a story of a disturbing incident that happened to him while he was there. Him and my dad were close and I'm guessing he needed to talk about it. The details aren't important for this post but suffice it to say it was similar to what your buddy experienced. For some unknown reason my whacko dad told me the story when I was a little kid. I was around 8 yrs old I think. Soon after, I was riding in the car with my aunt and uncle and asked him about it quoting it as my dad had told me and he just blankly stated off into the distance. Seemed to grip the steering wheel tightly. Even as a little kid I could feel the tension and quickly realized I should have not brought it up. After what seemed like an eternity (but was only a second or two) my aunt turned to me and said "you're uncle Lenny doesn't like talking about that stuff". I rember that moment vividly to this day nearly 40 years later.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:36 | 5698563 Sudden Debt
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Yeah... stuff started to feel less patriotic after he killed the 1600th kid with his joyjoystick...

And at 1620... it made him think....

I’ll do 5 more... 1625... and call it quits...

just one more...

1626!

WHAT HAVE I DONE!!!

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:38 | 5698572 JimboJammer
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they  should  round  up  his  whole  family  and  hang  them  one  by  one ... and  he  can  watch . .

then  at  last  hang  him. .

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:44 | 5698585 Fix It Again Timmy
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This dude has serious image problems as a starter; he makes Charlie Manson look like a Eagle Scout/Altar boy - beyond that, it gets exponentially worst...As a combat medic in Vietnam, I witnessed a fellow soldier [a Japanese-American draftee] kill 3 NVA troops with a claymore mine.  God, what a mess, he couldn't hold down food for three days, the act of killing was so repulsive....This arm-chair, one-finger killing seems so wrong and perverted; not that any killing is any better, you know what I mean?

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:09 | 5698670 SmedleyButlersGhost
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Well said. Just video games with real deaths. The real perverts are the guys saying "go". Making it easier on the grunts is just a whole different can of worms. Read where they are trying to work on being able to erase the memories of guys with PTSD - takes it to a higher plane altogether.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:45 | 5698594 cherry picker
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As long as this happens, Obama Has Sentenced Whistleblowers to 25 TIMES the Jail Time of All Prior U.S. Presidents COMBINED

then Obama and crew are no better than Adolph.  "We tortured some folks" says it all, doesn't it?

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:47 | 5698598 Prober
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Obviously the pentagon is not screening for pussy wimps.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:52 | 5698608 Hubbs
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What has happened is the US PTB have made people so dependent, that if they can't outright  mooch off the government, they'll "work for the government" because they can't do a fucking thing for themselves or do any useful productive work.

So there'll always be an army of errand boys willing to "work" for the government whether they work in post office, IRS, FDA, CMS, NSA, politicians,armed forces, etc.

We should go ahead and put this loser on food stamps and get him out of our hair. He could spend his time in the tattoo parlors instead.

 

disclosure: did not see the video.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:14 | 5698679 SmedleyButlersGhost
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You're right - no difference between a postal worker and a Marine

Disclosure : phuck you

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:55 | 5698620 nmewn
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Sooo, ummm, what about the guy that gave him the order?

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:17 | 5698692 Sudden Debt
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Than you can also blame the guy who ordered the guy who gave to orders to the guy who gave the orders...

move it all up...

and you come to the president...

and move up because American citizens voted for him...

so...

American citizens are to blame in the end. 

We’ll wait and see and count the number of demonstrations next week against droning and see if some of these people are against it....

So yes you’re right but nobody put a gun to his head to do it.

they just said: "here’s some money, and every time you press the button a person will die for every 100 dollars you make.

and he did it. 

 

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:11 | 5698923 General Decline
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You missed Tel Aviv in your climb up the hierarchical ladder. I believe they are located somewhere in between Obama and Lucifer.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 05:42 | 5699277 Atomizer
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Dispite my political offiication, hardcore conservative. We have sociopathic imbeciles representing our party. On a global community aspect, we have no intrests in bombing you, inserting a puppet faggot to represent the central banking wankers. This is being organized by the (race card) negro in the White House. Don't support another Bush or Clinton in 2016, this is how the United States of America has become a global embarrassment. The political leadership is to blame, not the American people who have been awake since the Waco, TX, Oklahoma City bombings, and 911 events. 

Sick fucking people managing our society. Time to unite as one. 

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 07:26 | 5699342 cherry picker
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People are quick to judge and condemn and the verdict is death...

It is like a game, i get one point and I am safe, you lose one point and can't scare me no more, so we are justified.

But do they really know if those they condemn and the 'collateral murder' they caused in getting the one point to hell had the benefit of a fair trial, or is the accusation of 'suspect' or 'insurgent' sufficient?

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 10:33 | 5699475 Sudden Debt
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Exactly!

And Americans abroad quickly  like to say "I’m American, I have rights!" When they’re abroad and harm comes to them, but they don’t respect others rights or cultures.

And that disrespect for other cultures has slowly turned inside the US itself which is actually a cooking pot of different cultures.

And what made America great and strong before is now weakening it. 

The internal devide.

And it’s only getting stronger as races are now in focus while every American city counts over 180 races on average.

Now races are still defined by colour but soon or now already it’s also origin that’s counting.

First, to much of anything is never good and as a European I can tell you some stuff about it but America was always more flexible in races than we are or where. And as it stands now, America is copying the bad sides of Europe, losing the good parts of America and also keeping the bad sides of America. And before you know it, there’s not that much good left.

There’s no neutral position in this but there’s also not just one side in this.

So how do you solve this?

Every side, every race, every culture, every believe system has a small part of rotten eggs in it’s rangs. 

And to fix all of this, those rotten eggs should be put on the bench Or ignored. And focus should be on the 99% of normal people who just want to live their life and be left alone.

How weird is it for example that 2 guys in Europe can turn the place in militairy lockdown and scare hundreds of millions of people?

Same thing in America.

People shouldn’t be scared at all of these Few rotten eggs. All I know in case of Europe, it’s 650 million against a few.

And if they cross the line, and as history shows, we can be a mean ass mother f. Bunch of pitbulls with a strong bite.

And now they want us to act like sheep, same thing for America.

So what’s turning our countries and societies into crap is our media which has lost it’s backbone and only cares about ratings and commercials.

And they know zombiecrap works and sells. 

Sun, 01/25/2015 - 19:18 | 5703856 TeethVillage88s
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Strategy of Tension in 1960s Greece, 1960-70s Italy, was designed to pull voters and opinion to the Right against leftists and against Independent type thinking.

Operation Gladio Phy-Ops. Greek Coup.

But you also hit on US Covert actions for regime change and ho we disrespect soverignty of other countries... when we

Render, Drone, Assassinate, and destroy democratic elections with money, influence, and covert actions... eventually the American people are treated the same way too.

Hence we get Phy-Oped like MLK, Kennedy Assassinations, Vietnam, 911, Boston, Sandy Hook maybe... Diebold Election Boxes... Bush Election.

Police State, DHS, TSA... Israeli Security Measures in the USA.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:54 | 5698627 zen0
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If I looked at infra-red all day at work, I would dream in infra-red too, even if it was just monitoring cloud formations on a weather satellite.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:13 | 5698796 NeedtoSecede
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I think the metal band Queensryche had a song titled "I Dream in Infrared" Or something similar. Probably came out 20 years ago (just trying to recall my days as a head banger,  but things are a little foggy from that time...)

 

I got out of the USAF a couple years after realizing the oath we took to "protect and defend The Constitution" was total Bullshit. On one hand I feel bad for all those  now "serving" because they have been brought up with lies and they are commanded by idiots and psychopaths.  But on the other hand, if a dumbass like me can see the immorality and evil in what we are doing then my pity is limited, especially for a douche like this.

Someone put him up to this or he is now just trying for his 15 minutes of fame.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 20:56 | 5698629 p00k1e
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Thought of another way…. 

This is an example of one drone operator possibly wiping out 1,600 so-called ‘preppers’ before flinching…

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:22 | 5698940 General Decline
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Excellent thought. Because in infra red, preppers and brown people would look the same.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:30 | 5698969 Parrotile
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Just call them "Insurgents". No need for our Drone-Jockey to know where they are - in IR for all he / she knows, they could be in AfPak or Ukraine, so why not let them think that's the case.

Not enough detail to make one think "this place looks familiar", just enough detail to allow reliable target engagement and "neutralisation".

They could be shooting up their next-door neighbour, yet they wouldn't know it. Scary thought, isn't it . . . .

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:08 | 5698666 Playtime's Over
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Punk.  Poor punk. He should get another tat. And of course the CIC is unltimately responsible but nooooooo admission of animosity thar.  Piss off shills.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:18 | 5698936 homiegot
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This chump was probably 1 paycheck away from the streets when the government found him. What a piece of shit this guy is. No honor. A fucking coward.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:11 | 5698676 SmittyinLA
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Wow another worthless leftist in a high security military position, do they screen out patriots?

Like Snowden, like Manning, he had no trouble whacking Muslims but an American Muslim that turned traitor and joined the enemy crosses the line? 

Both Snowden & Manning were Obama voters too, both thought their guy was honorable, that's the difrference between Conservatives and Liberals, we know our politicians are scumbags, that's why we believe in limited govt to limit the damage.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:45 | 5698996 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Ya, that crazy oath you take to the constitution, which says no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. I don't know what planet you come from, but on this one 'hey, that guy is a terrorist, go blow him up. Don't worry about anyone who may be near him, they are terrorists too, and those children are just terrorist trainees. Trust us, he is bad' does not count as due process of law. Personally, I feel like that standard should be applied to everyone. But you should seriously think about the fact that you are deriding a guy as some kind of leftist traitor because he refused to kill a US citizen without a trial just cuz his boss told him to. If you think those things won't be patrolling out skies in the future , you need to wake the fuck up.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 01:20 | 5699113 Silver Bullet
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If you paint Snowden and Manning with the same brush you are god damn idiot. They are entirely different. Manning is a fucking whack job who just dumped a bunch of classified government documents on the internet.
Snowden thoughtfully chose his path of disseminating only certain documents to expose certain government programs. There is a massive difference between the two.

Oh, and you wouldn't know limited govt if it bludgeoned you over the head.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:24 | 5698703 p00k1e
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Neigh !!!!

Brandon Bryant was a kid who got convinced by the leaders.

Brandon Bryant is now 27 years old.

If you stand against Brandon Bryant but do not charge the men who gave that young man orders, with crimes – ya might be a sickie. 

Neigh !!!! Neigh, Neigh !!!!

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:47 | 5698857 Jambo Mambo Bill
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He needs no further punishment, as he will have to be himself for the rest of his life.

 

At least he came up with some truth ! Rare thing these days...

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:31 | 5698717 samsara
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He just operated the joy stick. Any guilt for the other members(links) of the chain?

How about the persons on the ground that readied the drone?

How about the persons that assembled it?

How about the persons that built the guidance unit or payload?

How about the persons profited by owning stock in the TRW's, Raytheon's, et al.

Seems like everyone's blaming the guy that pulled the trigger only.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:39 | 5698840 directaction
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And the taxpayers whose money finances this horror.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:27 | 5698951 General Decline
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Taxes are not about funding. They are about control. You do not need taxes for funding when you own the printing press.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:31 | 5698972 FIAT CON
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It all gets justified by the guy who Pulls the trigger.

Is GM Liable every time someone gets killed in a car accident?

Is Remington Liable everytime a hunting rifle get used to kill a person?

 

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 09:38 | 5699418 messystateofaffairs
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How about all the US citizens sitting on fat asses living off the lucre these policies and their implementers produce. Almost no one is innocent, perhaps only the genuinely ignorant beneficiaries.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:32 | 5698725 Quinvarius
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I don't have a problem with droning people overseas in a war.  Killing people is how conflicts are fought.  I have a problem with Obama droning people.  Obama lacks judgement and legitimacy.  He is not qualified to decide who the enemy is.  He is not a a good and moral commander.  I would not feel comfortable killing people just because someone, who might be a homosexual anti-Christ, said I should.  I don't trust his motives or believe his words. 

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:01 | 5698783 UselessEater
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I don't have a problem with droning people overseas in a war.

How often are men sent to war in countries they cannot even find on a map... Boar War, Gulf 1 are merely two examples of wars to defend the economic interests of a few, they were not wars about the borders of ones own nation where ones family was located.

These wars are to "save" people, meanwhile, despots are installed in other nations by foreign backed coups (check out John Perkins, Confessions of An Economic Hitman, its a 101 course).

Its all Crap. If you want a nations diamonds or oil - buy the shit, just like I have to buy bread and milk... I cannot bomb a supermarket in order to rob it. I would not want to, but I am not a sociopath nor the godfather of "Competition is a Sin" thinking....that very thinking that dehumanizes the people overseas into dronable objects.

 

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:14 | 5698927 FIAT CON
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Yes, checkout that book, I read it about a month ago.

 See what your .gov has really been up to with its Military and "Economic Hitman"

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:40 | 5698842 Jambo Mambo Bill
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"I don't have a problem with droning people overseas in a war.  Killing people is how conflicts are fought."

 

Retarded ! like you many as much...

Perhaps you wouldn't mind some jackass dropping a hellfire on your mama and kids by mistake, who cares, in the end of the day it’s all conflicts/games right?!... like in a game on your Xbox

Obama that...Obama this... like he was in control of something...

 

The worse is that you're majority...ain't ya.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:06 | 5698907 Silver Bullet
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If this is what comprises of intelligible commentary on ZH these days...god help us.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 11:04 | 5699509 OneTinTrooper
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dude makes sense though.... no war was ever won that didn't include killing a lot of people

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 11:31 | 5699547 Fractal Parasite
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circular tautology.

war = killing people.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:15 | 5698931 homiegot
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"Killing people is how conflicts are fought."

 

I think we have a moron here.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:31 | 5698970 General Decline
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" I have a problem with Obama droning people."

C'mon Q. You seriously don't think Obama makes any of these decisions himself? Do you? Hell, I'd be surprised if he gets to decode what's for lunch.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 05:09 | 5699261 Panic Mode
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Christ, what makes you think your government differentiate YOU and the people oversea. WAKE THE FUCK UP. You turd.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:40 | 5698733 p00k1e
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These actions desensitize us to the coming Baby Boomer Bleed-out.  Into the woodchoppers –

$100.00 each.  “It’s dirty work but someone has to do it.”

Free Wood Chipper Sound Effect - SFXsource.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofFhpqoGdi8

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:51 | 5698759 thegr8whorebabylon
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You know how they recruit these kids? Top scores on world of warcraft. Then you get mail.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:52 | 5698761 Fox-Scully
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I believe we have the beginning of Dronegate!

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 21:53 | 5698765 PGR88
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You don't swear to protect American citizens, you are sworn to protect the Constitution.

There are plenty of American citizens whose goal is to destroy America - Al Sharpton, for example

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:37 | 5698979 General Decline
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"You don't swear to protect American citizens, you are sworn to protect the Constitution."

Correct. And they are doing neither.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:42 | 5698847 pupdog1
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Tat dude probably had stencils of peasant children gathering firewood, and wedding attendees, also over his fucking cubie.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:55 | 5698874 Puncher75
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I'm a 25 year USN / USAF Fighter Pilot with 9 combat tours to both Iraq & Afghanistan. This turd is full of shit!

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:51 | 5699010 Greenskeeper_Carl
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So these air strikes haven't killed thousands of innocent people, far more than the amount of so called 'terrorists'? We didn't do the infamous 'double tap' where we hit a target, then wait for people to respond and start digging out survivors and bodies and hit them again, even though that is completely illegal under established rules of warfare and international law? We didn't start classifying every adult male within the blast radius as an 'enemy combatant' in order to reduce the civilian casualties? Please tell us if any of this is incorrect.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 00:27 | 5699019 sheikurbootie
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I'm a combat pilot as well.  This drone jockey is an ass hat.  They don't pick the best pilots to fly a drone and he's the proof.

I'll also add I just read a comment this douche bag made about drone (pilots-yea, right) deserving more recongnition in the form of air medals.  Really?  Aren't you sitting in a confortable chair in a dark room staring at a video monitor.  Fuck me, I deserve a medal too! 

This guy really takes the cake.  A true millenial fuck saying look at me!  Much like some of the ass hat comments on this site.  I can't wait til this shit gets bad.  Half our population will starve to death because the fast food stores are closed.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 06:16 | 5699257 fel.temp.reparatio
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You don't condemn what he does, you just compare him to yourself and get a hard on doing it! You're just as much of an ass-hat as this guy but just don't realize it.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 10:00 | 5699442 sheikurbootie
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fail.temp.fuckstick.  You missed the point and I can't help you.  Too bad you didn't have a father figure to put you down the right path.  Go back and hide under your mother's skirt and then tell her to make me a fucking sandwich.

Sun, 01/25/2015 - 01:12 | 5700922 fel.temp.reparatio
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What's up fagboy, did I hit a nerve? hehe 

If you are a RAFSOB, then you're probably a 'trash hauler'... either way, you're not too bright are you?

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 06:23 | 5699304 mercy
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Why do you keep going back?

 

To defend our freedoms?

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 10:39 | 5699480 yellowsub
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Yet the irony is we're losing freedoms at home, who are the "terrists" again?

 

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 11:37 | 5699563 Fractal Parasite
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As George W. Bush correctly said:

"They [the terrorists] hate us for our freedoms".

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 22:55 | 5698875 LetsGetPhysical
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Just another military welfare queen collecting a check. Guess it's easier than getting a real productive job.  Remember people: There is NO draft. Every person who signed up for these latest two shit-shows did so of their own free will or out of their own ignorance. There is no honor in any of it. 

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:05 | 5698902 yellowsub
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American Sniper killed a few, this guy wiped out a few generations!  When is his movie coming out?

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:10 | 5698918 homiegot
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He'll need to have an 'accident' first.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 01:20 | 5698913 homiegot
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He said 'No' after over 1,600 kills. Put a slug in your head.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 09:28 | 5699409 messystateofaffairs
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It's the most honorable thing a creature that has lost its humanity can do at this point. Follow the example of the other military volunteers who went to "serve their country".

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 09:43 | 5699423 overmedicatedun...
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this guy is not like vets from my time, who had boots on the ground..a book I am reading called "unmanned"

is about a fighter jock who is forced into the drone program - after killing women and children in a "mistake" he snaps. and seeks revenge against the higher ups who ordered the strike..

to kill for your country is made way too easy for these guys outside vegas in little dark rooms. get your face dirty- hump those trails and sand dunes -risk your life - feel and smell it - there is no honor in this remote war tech..

turning war into virtual reality will only increase the horror and injustice.

War is a racket. why we fight is so blurred for todays fighting man, that let's face facts- they are mercenaries - paid for a job - devoid of honor, or the right to bear the patches of old units like mine, the 101st.

these tech soldiers are not my bothers in arms.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:11 | 5698921 FIAT CON
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How about reducing the number of drone operators to Obomba and the rest of Congress alone. If these people want to kill so badly let them live with the nightmares

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 10:18 | 5699464 yellowsub
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You're assuming they have a conscience.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:35 | 5698977 overmedicatedun...
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there is no honor in this. there is no excuse for doing this job.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:40 | 5698987 FIAT CON
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One day all will have drones, and we will all be told that if you "push this button someone you don't know will die and we will pay you".

 Remind you of a "Twighlight Zone Episode" This is what will end up happening, the buttom may not be a drone in the end, it may be a nuclear weapon, heck it may be the very weapon that you yourself are in the range of, and kill yourself.

By means of Horrible American Foreign Policy the US has many enimies, no they don't hate you because your freedoms, they hate you because you stole/cheated  all of their natural resources and killed thousands/millions in the process. 

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 05:04 | 5699260 Panic Mode
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They will be like hovering over our heads like playing the game, the Sims.

Fri, 01/23/2015 - 23:41 | 5698989 dexter_morgan
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So Michael Moore is all over this, right?

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 00:50 | 5699083 IndianaJohn
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Looks like a common ink-scarred shavehead freak.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 01:11 | 5699089 fel.temp.reparatio
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First came to be 'news' in mid 2013... so why is he still getting attention?

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 00:56 | 5699091 Dingleberry
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1600 deaths....and one gets to you?

Sorry bruh.

Something ain't adding up here.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 02:37 | 5699160 Peter Pan
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Does anyone recall the video game parlour style recruitment centres opened up by the military?

Well guess what?

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 02:53 | 5699163 medium giraffe
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Congratulations, you've unlocked a new trophy!

Career kills x 1600: You were awarded "Death From Above"

Log into your online profile to share your achievements with your friends.

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Sat, 01/24/2015 - 04:07 | 5699218 KuriousKat
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I believe besides driving Toyotas Isis recruits from abroad also brung their ps boxes with them..many returned, those that were not caught and shot for dessertion, because reality was not as fun as the games ..

I understand there is a shortage of drone operators as well.. If you are interested in the very genesis of all this with google and who seeded it and how it is now being used not merely for drone killings..this article from a crowd sourced journalist will open your eyes..and why Scmidt at davos was harping on about the disappearance of the internet..you will find Goldman Sachs mentioned..even Enron and its involvent in getting a pipleline built and failed just days before the invasion of Afghanistan...and one of the main reasons we are still there.


https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e
https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/why-google-made-the-nsa-2a80584c9c1

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 04:34 | 5699241 Jano
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1600 is a high watermark, or average?

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 04:58 | 5699256 Panic Mode
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Errmm.... took someone so many kills to wake up??? 

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 09:14 | 5699400 Who was that ma...
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He was having fun.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 05:01 | 5699259 Panic Mode
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What's the difference between the one who gave the drone order and the one who brainwash people to do terrorist act?

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 05:32 | 5699272 Rusputin
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Didn't feel guilty after the first 26 killings Brandon? You had to go do another 1600 not-Americans for five long years, to start feeling like you needed to quit and feel ashamed? Wow, you must have a heart made of coal.

Well if this is true Brandon, and I really doubt it - coming from the BBC, you have a special place reserved in Nature and she will come double-tap knocking on your roof sooner or later.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 06:18 | 5699298 Firewood
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It'll take more than some circUS tatooed Third World, Fourth Reich, jack daniels piss slugging Pentacon Kill Industries snaggle-toothed, gnat-brained, drug-addled, uninformed uniformed, cadaver peeing, baby-raping, finger-slicing, ear lopping, trophy toting, Abu a$$ Grabbing Mercan mutants recounting sordid drone terror to get Merca out of the sewer it is in.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 06:53 | 5699321 justmy2cents
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""The actual breaking point happened when we were hunting an American citizen, and they were saying he was maybe the next bin Laden. This was an American citizen - these were the people that I swore to protect."

Who gives a fuck if this douche bag had a U.S passport he was a muslim extremist.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 09:12 | 5699398 Who was that ma...
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Our Constitution guarantees that all American citizens have the right to a fair trial.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 09:58 | 5699441 OneTinTrooper
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Our tradition is to pay the reward whether you bring them in dead or alive.  

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 11:50 | 5699594 headhunt
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Today, not so much. If you have enough money or political connections, EPA, IRS, NSA, etc

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 12:43 | 5699674 justmy2cents
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Who was that ma... What you mean like the fair trials muslim extremists give to people yeah?

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 13:37 | 5699812 Who was that ma...
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So you think we should treat our own American citizens as badly as they treat those who have no right to even be in their country?  Your "2 cents" is worth just that.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 09:09 | 5699396 Who was that ma...
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"Ashamed"?  But why?  It's not like you invaded a foreign, sovereign country and killed men women and children as though it were a video game, with no risk to yourself.

 

Oh wait....

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 09:21 | 5699403 messystateofaffairs
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Hey, don't be too hard on Brandon, he was "just doing his job". Same as the pilot of the Enola Gay or the Nazis turning in the gas spigot on the kids in the chamber were doing their job. At least Brandon got to CHOOSE that lovely job. We would all like to "thank him for his service", hero that he is and all.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 09:45 | 5699425 Jameson18
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Your talking about two different things the. Enola gay true. Nazis turning on gas spigot on children not true. One is provable one is not. Neither one has anything to do with a spineless Gov. run by the Israelis.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 09:32 | 5699411 Puncher75
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I'll put these comments down to the ignorance of Jihadism and the fact that they'd slice your "nuanced" head off your pacifist shoulders in less than a minute. You're welcome.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 09:50 | 5699432 basho
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kill 1600, probably mostly at wedding ceremonies etc, before you get the message that you are not a soldier? just a moronic killer.

you are a f*cking coward. you'd probably piss your pants looking at the business end of  weapon.

you wouldn't last on the streets for an hour.

f*ck you, dirt bag and sweet dreams.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 10:07 | 5699449 heywood2
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What a screw-up... he looks like he's joined a motorcycle gang.

 

Anyway, he should be proud of his work. The world is much better off without the people he iced.

 

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 10:56 | 5699492 OneTinTrooper
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you might be singing a different tune if kids on your block were being iced....

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 11:11 | 5699524 IridiumRebel
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He's a fuckin troll. Down vote and move on.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 12:12 | 5699608 OneTinTrooper
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the whole glib daily chatter about how we are all getting fucked by them could only be the work of a bunch of rejected trolls

Sun, 01/25/2015 - 05:54 | 5701609 fel.temp.reparatio
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...you still breathing oxygen? damn...

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 10:14 | 5699457 Oldballplayer
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Did this guy ever read Enders Game?  What the hell did he think he was doing?

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 10:15 | 5699459 JimmyRainbow
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well,

haunted by bad karma,

good to hear that it exists in "reality"

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 10:47 | 5699487 Captain Chlamydia
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I droned some folks 

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 10:54 | 5699493 Billy Shears
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Brandon strikes me as exactly the kind of guy who would himself plant an IED if 'Merika was invaded and occupied by a foreign country.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 10:53 | 5699496 css1971
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The Milgram experiment.

66% of the population will quite happily murder someone if told by someone in a position of authority that it's OK to do so. Seems there are some consequences for your actions though.

While there is honour in some fights, there is no honour in war. War is a racket serving the economic interests of the establishment. All the middle east wars are about resources so if you want to help, insulate your house, install lots of photovoltaic panels and run an electric vehicle off them. Otherwise, you are part of the problem. You are just as guilty as any of the people joining the military.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 11:00 | 5699504 OneTinTrooper
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cheap gas ... cheap loans .... I am going to get me a big truck

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 15:22 | 5700027 Skiprrrdog
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Me too; Im going to get a zero down loan on a new hummer, using my underwater house as collateral. Then I am going to de-tune it so it gets like one mile per gallon, and then rack up all my credit cards, which I will also default on, just driving around and blasting some death metal...

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 11:00 | 5699502 One World Mafia
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Anwar Awlaki was the terrorist who dined at the Pentagon.

Anwar al-Awlaki was allegedly killed in October of 2011 by a CIA Predator drone in Yemen. The following year, he supposedly called for biological attacks on America from the grave.

The dead French terrorists, Cherif and Said Kouachi, are linked to Anwar al-Awlaki.

Documents released by Judicial Watch revealed al-Awlaki’s cooperation with the FBI and he was, as Fox News reported in October, likely a U.S. government asset. The government says al-Awlaki preached to three of the 9/11 hijackers, the accused Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan, and the so-called underwear bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, and was promoted to the rank of “regional commander within al-Qaeda in 2009. “I was sent, me, Cherif Kouachi, by Al Qaeda of Yemen. I went over there and it was Anwar al-Awlaki who financed me,” Kouachi told BFM-TV by telephone prior to an assault by French police, according to Reuters.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 11:45 | 5699582 Sambo
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Ask yourself this question Mr Brandon: "What did I achieve from all these killing?"

I'll answer it in case you dont want to: "Nothing!"

Then you should also ask this question: "What is the significance of life?"

 

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 22:31 | 5701070 Who was that ma...
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Don't bother, he has no idea.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 11:55 | 5699600 Peterus
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On the other hand - infrared dreams would probably be pretty dope.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 12:23 | 5699632 cherry picker
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In Mexico last year, 43 students, innocents, were hauled off, murdered, burned to ashes and dumped into a river.  That is not terror?

Germany's leader, Israel's leader, the French President and other leaders, did not walk in front of a column of protesters, the government did not clamp down on freedom or activities through the nation like what the USA did after 9/11, Boston or what other nations have done.

In the United States there are serial murderers who kill with impunity.  We read this almost on a weekly basis.  There is no 'T' or 'I' word, no 'Patriot' act, no CIA or NSA.

Those 43 students died as an indirect cause from Americans love of illicit drugs.

If the Mexican government were like the American government, I would brand Washignton, the CIA, the NSA and Pentagon a terrorist organization.

All of you in the US of A would not take kindly to drones flying over your heads blowing your neighbors homes to smithereens as you know you may be next.  That is terror is it not?

Better look in the mirror USA, you may not like what you see, I don't like what I see.  Obama and Bush and all those who started this terrorism bullshit have nice shiny smiles, appear confident and know it all. Watch out, there are 7 billion out there, a lot of them are starting to get ticked off.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 22:28 | 5701066 Who was that ma...
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As an American citizen, what can I say except......................  You're right.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 23:42 | 5701229 Ginsengbull
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7 billion isn't really very many.

 

MacDonalds could have served them all.

 

USA is #1.

 

All others are #2 or lower.

Sun, 01/25/2015 - 03:12 | 5701523 Atticus Finch
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" the French President and other leaders, did not walk in front of a column of protesters,,,,"

Neither did they. It was a photo op taken on a heavily guarded and deserted side street with no real people anywhere to be seen.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 12:44 | 5699682 Bangalore Torpedo
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Obama droned on during SOTU, is likely responsible for 1000s of suicides and yet not a peep from the media.

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 13:14 | 5699753 Who was that ma...
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Why does anyone in their right mind think that idiots like this Brandon are "protecting our freedoms" and "keeping us safe" by killing women and children by remote control, like it's a video game, in some God forsaken rat-hole of a country half way around the world?  If anything, it's just the opposite.

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