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Blowout Victory For Syriza In Greek Elections: Live Webcasts
UPDATE 3: With over 96% of precincts reporting, it looks like Syriza will end up with 149 seat in Parliament, just 2 shy of an absolute majority, although already several of the parties that are entering parliament have vocied their intention to allign with Syriza, so it will hardly be a significant hindrance to Tsipras to conduct whatever anti-Troika policy he wishes.
UPDATE 2:
Official results @ 50% of votes
SYRIZA 35.9
ND 28.3
G Dawn 6.4
Potami 5.8
KKE 5.4
PASOK 4.8
Ind Greeks 4.7
Kinima 2.5
#Greece
#ekloges2015
— MacroPolis (@MacroPolis_gr) January 25, 2015
UPDATE: Greek Government official admits electoral defeat by Syriza
As AP reports,
A senior official in Greece's governing conservatives has conceded defeat to the radical left Syriza party in Sunday's national elections.
"We lost," Health Minister Makis Voridis told private Mega TV. "The extent of that result is not yet clear."
Voridis, the conservative party's parliamentary spokesman, says the government's austerity policies, implemented to secure vital international bailouts, "make sense" but were cut short before they could bear fruit.
An exit poll on state Nerit TV projects Syriza winning by a wide margin.
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The first Greek exit polls are out and here they are:
According to the initial exit polls, in first place, with some 35.5%-39.5% of the vote is Syriza, a huge lead over the second placing New Democracy which has 23-27% of the vote - far more than polls had indicated previously - and a spot which essentially assures Tsipras' party an absolute majority in parliament and the ability to take as hardline an approach as he wishes.
The other parties:
- Golden Dawn nationalists: 6.4-8.0%
- The new party, To Potami, also with : 6.4-8.0%
- Venizelos' socialist Pasok: 4.2%-5.2%
- KKE: 4.7%-5.7%
- Independent Greeks: 3.5%-4.5%
- Knima: 2.2%-3.2%: probably not enough to pass the 3.0% threshold
How the parliament breakdown would look like with these numbers: SYRIZA has a 12.5 percentage point lead over New Democracy and is expected to get between 146 and 158 seats in Parliament, according to the exit polls.
- SYRIZA 152 (146-158)
- ND 70 ( 65- 75)
- Golden Dawn 19.5 ( 17- 22)
- POTAMI 19.5 ( 17- 22)
- KKE 14.5 ( 13- 16)
- PASOK 13.5 ( 12- 15)
- ANEL 11.5 ( 10- 13)
- KINIMA ( 0- 8)
A second take on what Greek parliament would look like also gives Syriza an almost certain majority:
Kapa Research projection of MPs: SYRIZA 148-154; ND 70-78; GD 16-20; Potami 16-19 #greece #ekloges2015
— Kathimerini English (@ekathimerini) January 25, 2015
A quick observation:
Greek exit polls: Extraordonarily, neo-nazi Golden Dawn could end up with more seats than Pasok (who won 44% of votes in 2009 election)
— Mats Persson (@matsJpersson) January 25, 2015
In short: if nothing changes drastically from here, a blowout victory for Syriza is essentially assured, one which gives it an absolute majority.
For those who wish to follow the data in real time from the ground, here are several live webcasts:
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Last Call for Greece:
The Eurasian train is leaving the station
They're all just hanging out in Malta.
British pensioners will buy all of Cyprus.
Crete will declare its independence.
WINNING!
The thing is Greece defaulted back in 2010. They were, and still are, bankrupt. The problem is no one wishes to acknowledge it.
If a tree Greece falls defaults in the forest global bond market and no one hears acknowledges it did it happen?
That was very clever. +1
Only if you are not wearing ISDA earmuffs and a ball-gag.
"The thing is Greece defaulted back in 2010. They were, and still are, bankrupt. The problem is no one wishes to acknowledge it.
If a tree Greece falls defaults in the forest global bond market and no one hears acknowledges it did it happen? "
La la la. La la la. ISDid An hear you!
Will never happen, as all the relevant bills have already ex ante been discussed for settlement by Alexis himself with Brussels. Money is free, thx to MD, business as usual, move along. Greek elections, no brainer of the day.
That's OK, the talking heads are saying it's not really that important. I can't wait to see what happens when the new government is seated, then we'll get to see if they were bought off or if we're going to have some fireworks.
Wait for it. Russia has an offer on the table. If they take it then things will change.
We will Ukraine some Greek folks.
the Futures Levitation Team is gonna have a busy night ...
The rubber hits the road......!
Goodbye Greece! Iceland have provided a template for you.
Which banks might be slightly concerned with this result?
The banks had ample time to unload all their Greek debt holdings onto the ECB and the bailout funds. Thats why the Grexit is finally coming now.
Watching the CNBC crowd spin it might be worth 10 minutes in the morning.
Iceland hasn't defaulted or written off most of its debt. Its mostly still there. They have segregated it and continue to pay the interest. The bankers that went to jail are show trials and the sentences are very small.
Greece will be a bit different since they are much more likely to repudiate their debt than pay it off....
Syriza = Socialists
Golden Dawn = Nazis
KKE = Commies
together more than 50% of the vote
The political Dream Team of Greece?
Good grief...lol.
It´s even worse. Greeks have about 100% of the vote. That country is soo fucked.
I wouldn't use the word dream in this case....
The Greek 'bailouts' are the Versailles Treaty all over again.
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Exit European dictatorship to enter commie dictatorship, well Greek is fucked either way, poor Greek peoples...
"Herr Feldmarshall, the communists may break through in Greece."
"Initiate Operation Gladio. The Army will take control of the Government tomorrow."
That "is" Greece going back many years... It also explains why their economy lives on handouts. Greece hasn't been the same since Aristotle Onassis died and Olympic Airways folded.
Interesting note on Olympic airlines. I think it was the last airline to use paper tickets!
It appears that the Golden Dawn has an issue with Syriza.
The Euro was a horrible idea. Europe shoudl've helped Greece (militarily, not financially) ward of Turkish threats to Cyprus oil.
Europe did not. Instead they shuffled money and bailouts around.
So what does Greece have to work with? Not much.
I understand their decision. I am comforted that Greece has chosen against the Golden Dawn and KKE.
The trouble is that in a socialist country- the people have to be very animate in order to retain control over the leaders in a "democracy" unless a few foreign loans to their government gives it a monopoly of power over hte poeple like it does with the "reserve currency" Triffin Dilemma USofA. THEN they have problems. The Japanese beat many possible corruption in their healthcare system with personal responsibility (Greece came up with the Hipoocratic OAth- they have htis potential too).... but Japan doesn't seem to entirely have control over their socialist prime ministers like Abe who keeps pushing the Yen down. If even the very disciplined Confucious following personal responsibility enhancing Japanese can't get a grip over their socialist leaders- I remain weary of a socialist government.
I wish Greece fair bidings & tidings. may the force be with them.
goldman = ??
and nobody directly voted for them.
This is Golden !
A "golden shower" for Draghi!
Draghi's been taking Goldman showers for decades.
What if ... Greece exits and forms the new political cutting edge.
They could reset and lead others out.
Haven't commented. In 2.5 years because I live in Greece and own a bar here on an island. All week I talked to of people here and realized who would win.
The islands function a lot like a bubble and we don't pay attention to the world news, we just live.
Honestly, I sit here watching CNN and it makes my stomach curl, just like it did when I lived in the states.
Irish, Why do you say stomach curl?
No public or private tv is truthful, they are all paid for.
Better off getting news from your bar patrons.
Irish66, how about some boots on the ground observations on what daily life is like in Greece !!
I have not seen jack diddly about Greece in the mainstream press. It is like a blackout when it comes to what is is going on in the Euro countries. 30 to 50% unemployment has to be a complete Armegeddon situation - but it is absolutely crickets chirping in the news in the US.
Maverick
And while you're at it, how about commenting on this "greek" sex subject we are always hearing about? Do the greek women really like "greek" or is that just some kind of tourist promotional thingy to get everyone wanting to head to the greek isles?
aparently they love it!
http://www.xvideos.com/video3252190/greek_girl_casting
Hi Maverick,as I said before I live on an island of Greece, everyone here is employed due to sailing and resorts. There are plenty of jobs in tourism, most low scale according to American work force but the pay will get you an apartment and feed.
Honestly, honestly, I love it here but because the population is so small compared to the USA, I would understand everything better and fare better if I was related to some one that was Greek.
Just the same ever where in the world. Money breeds friends and relatives.
Athens is "a big city" for them!
Media just like the US.
Greek tv's do not have a "switch channel" button ?
But about CNN i agree.
So do You own Euro's or Gold?
Two questions:
Are you hiring?
Can I have the apartment above the bar?
What is the name of your island sir?
SNB and Draghi both knew this was coming and acted according to their interests. SNB saw the coming need to print endlessly and stopped the madness. Draghi saw the same need and cranked up the presses.
Good ridance Greeks, wasn't nice knowing you, leeches. Look around south side of the Mediterrean basin, that is your future. TBH with your work ethics, you never belonged anywhere else (first hand experience from this summer, finally the deep shit they are in made more sense).
why be an asshole..?
asshole.
Seems some can't appreciate paradise. Probably flew back to the City so he could continue fucking over people 80 hours a week.
The euros, came in and promised a bunch of lies, leant them a bunch of printed money and then gave all them 'credit' to their corrupt bastard politiicians to buy useless things like aircrafts and battle ships, fueled a real estte speculative market and when the returns didn't come got their asses handed back to them. Then the Brussels cunts punish them for being 'Greek'.
YOu lend someone money you take a risk. You are not someone's bitch because you can't pay back. There are no sure things in this world.
WTF, how can you be a fucking racist dickhead like that and take yourself seriously?
You must be a racialist.
Fucking lying cunt.
You've never been further than the end of the garden path you've been led down in your little fantasy world
So many hurt butts...
Libya, Tunisia, Egypt here we come! Forward comrade Tsipras.
Yes they are fucking lazy wankers who even manage to screw up the only thing they have - tourism. When you see and hear Russians and other eastern European tourist complain about Greeks being lazy you know there is no helping them Greeks.
Forget the NDR new drachma, the new Ouzo currency will be accepted worldwide.
Greece election: sets up eurozone showdown
The radical left is likely to defeat the centre-right governing party today, challenging Brussels over repayment of EUR320bn debt and enforced reduction of living standards Patrick Cockburn 25 January 2015It was raining yesterday in central Athens, which…
VIDEOS:
http://tersee.com/#!q=greece&t=video
you know what happened to palestine when they voted "wrong".
Wow. Cool.
We drachma'd some folks.
This is the reason for Mario's announcment this week.
Right, THey were not waiting around for the results as they pretty much knew and needed plenty of dry powder to offset the repudiation. Greece will demand a writedown and the clock can be reset. European Ground Hog Day.
SYRIZA close to form autonomous government
Greece now has a future again. Hopefully they leave the Euro, kick out the big banks, default on all debt held by the big banks and the ECB, make their own banks be just plain banks again, and put in a REAL balanced budget policy so they won't have to borrow much at all.
If they do this then Greece will make the EU and US unhappy, so it would also be sweet if Putin sweeps in and gives Greece some aid, gives Greece a limited borrowing capability (for stability), and gives them access to the non-dollar world he is setting up!
Isn't his country having a currency crisis too? Maybe Greece could bail him out.
General, as head of the Army Chief of Staff, what can we do?
The Greeks have joined Russia, sir. What do you mean?
Can we invade? Like D-Day? We would do better to launch a Blitzkrieg with Paratroops. I will have the Red Shield flag above the Parthenon in 72 hours.
why would russia want greece? i got a rusty worn out car that needs tons of repairs just for you, ha...
russia is way to savy. maybe some assistance though.
This could only be done by two parties. One to repudiate debts and leave the EU, than run economy to the ground with massive strikes, demonstrations, etc all around massive downsizing of public sector to get a truly balanced budget. Than next election and second party could establish a sustainable system of governance.
In the meantime, ban cookie baking or anything related to it...
And have Vlad on speed dial.
I just clicked on the Sky News link and got some Holohoax sob story, wtf??
Nothing fixes an economy like a marxist party.
capitalism is based on robbing the third world
anything you have is stolen from poor people
Greece needs to learn from Hungary - a lot of Hungarian loans were in Euros - thus the big banks have incentives to attack and destroy the Hungarian currency. Greece cannot return to the drachma and retain any Euro denominated debt or the big banks will crush them in revenge!
Please excuse my ignorance if this is not so, but are the greek commoners basically saying "You rich phucks can piss off, we are tired of paying for your mistakes"?
There you have it Watson...
Go tell the Spartans, thou who passest by,
That here, obedient to their laws, we lie.
So what are the "greek commoners" going to eat?
Paper drachmas that won't buy anything?
Pictures of fat people in Brussels?
That may be a step up from what they are eating now.
Sort of like being between a rock...and a rock.
ok....... this is what i thought too! At least that is what it looks like. Not really a demonstration of anti EU as it is "hey i want more free stuff so fuck off with the austerity". I'm probably totally wrong, but, thats what it looks like to me.
having seen the video and understabnding the platform........i think this result is perfect.
The Scots had a chance to exit the UK and form a nation again after being under London's yoke for centuries. But, many, especially the elderly, were lied to by newspapers saying their pensions would be in doubt. Also, many young people voted no, based on the promises coming out of Parliament giving Scotland's Parliament new rights of federal nature, allowing home rule in some part beyond present situation. As soon as the vote was over, all the promises were retracted by London! Believe it or not, a whole package of lies were told to Scots, and they believed them. As soon as the ink was dry on their NO votes, the whole bait and switch was pulled, "well NO, we aren't really offering all those rights we might have said we would".
Governments of the Zionists, and the London government is wholly Zionist, are liars. The Washington DC dictatorship is Zionist, the Zionist Banker Dictatorship of America. These are also proven liars. Obama told everyone how different he was from Bush, then took office and doubled down on a good 95% of the Bush agenda.
Now in Greece, the people hope to be voting for change or in protest, just to shake the fucking EU Zionist Dictators up a bit. But when the ink is dry, you watch all the promises disolve into lies and a whole different Zionist Banker agenda come forward. "Well we promised radical actions, BUT, we now see the EU can really help us with our detb slavery and slavery to Zioism and it's Banker overlords whom now control all our lives as puppet masters make their dolls dance to their tune."
No election can change your fates. Kharkov and Donetsk voted for independence from the new Zionist Banker Government in Kiev, they voted in overwhelling numbers for their freedom, as soon as the ink was dry on their votes, an Army invaded and occupied them, only those with enough guns to fight back stayed outside the Kiev Zionists reach.
Remember this next time you vote. Your two party choice is a hoax, they serve the Zionist Bankers, all of them do. The rule of the entire west by Zionism is complete, no escape. Bankers have held a coup from above, and the international militarist wing of Zionism controls the secret police and military, while Zionist Financiers are dictators of all economic and domestic policy. Your wholly controlled Zionst Media will not tell you this!
Well, English banking is the Head of the Beast; the body is in Tel Aviv.
More of the history of the bankers corrupting the people's representatives, and enslaving nations, here:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerswars.pdf
.....and the asshole is right behind the Statue of Liberty.
It would be interesting, since you now so much where you live? I live in Greeceand own a business and you?
In the parlance of the day -- Fuck You Jack! A Jew-hating, anti-semtic rant does not qualify for inteligent discourse. Your a moron Jack. Back to the basement, or whatever hole you from time to time crawl out (of).
It would be interesting, since you now so much where you live? I live in Greeceand own a business and you?
In the parlance of the day -- Fuck You Jack! A Jew-hating, anti-semtic rant does not qualify for intelligent discourse. Your a moron Jack. Back to the basement, or whatever hole you from time to time crawl out (of).
If voting could make a difference, it would be made illegal.
Watch the Euro resume its Dragh race to the bottom sub-parity, and the $ index head for 100, and maybe AU going to 75 times AG, when the party starts here this afternoon:
http://www.investing.com/quotes/us-dollar-index-advanced-chart
Is Brussels burning?
Fuck the EU
Which means, fuck France, Germany, and, perhaps, Italy.
wow 3 downvotes in favor of the MoneyChangers...
I'm a 'kipper' (UKIP). I don't believe in the EU and see it as a sham front for those neo-liberal bastards who have robbed the people of Europe. FFS anyone following the eurocrisis, and certainly for Greece will see how it works. How much more evidence do people need?
Fuck the EU
When doctors must become prostitutes you might as well get back to basics anyway. Play to your strengths, tourism, agricultural exports, and such. Rebuild under a new currency supported by value. OR see if Brussels will shave 2/3 off the loans for cargos of Retsina.
Woo Hoo! Yee Haw!
Oh, right, new boss same as the old boss; muppets unite! Pfffftttt...
Yamas! (No fan of the EU at all, but will this leftist party fuck shit up even more?)
It's not the exitpolls that matter, it's the people that count the votes ( or nowdays the voting machines) that matter.
I love the Greeks. My brother-in-law is Greek and there isn’t a more hospitable soul on the planet. I hate to see this happen but it is but one of the symptoms of the great contraction. A great country steeped in history. Who cannot walk on the Acropolis and not be swept away? The islands are breath taking. A rough road lies ahead for them. I was surprised as to how arid the country was. The truth is the population is too large to be supported by olive oil and pistachios.
Retsina and Domestica aren't bad, either.
"A rough road lies ahead for them."
A rough road lies ahead for all of us.
CNN is silent about the Greek story, at least the 1 hour I had it on. Though Obama is using the false flag massacre in Mariupol to fashion more sanctions on Russia. See, Kiev's murders paid off again. Though it is still possible rebels failed in a stike and did hit the city, I have not studied the evidence closely yet, so I must leave open such posibility. But, past history points to this as a false flag. The undisputed proof of MH-17 shows that no murder is too gross for Kiev. No real evidence exists that does not point to an SU-25 of Ukraine's Air Force.
CNN is silent on Greece because Brussels is a nest of Zionist Bankers, and CNN is owned by Zionist Bankers. But soon even CNN will have to admit people are not falling into line with the EU agenda.
The EU's defenders used to visit ZH more often and argue harder for it's right to rule Europe. But lately they either don't show up, or are more lukewarm in their praise for Brussels. As time passes, their arguments are turning to dust.
CNN: Where we feed you 24/7 SOLID BS , Customized and tailored just for you Sheeple
Today on the menu:
#1 news is the deflated NFL ball lol
#2the coming storm lol
WTF? Where is Wolf Blitzter in the Situation Room?
Oh, be quiet.
I sat beside Woolfie on an airline flight once, back when Ted Turner made them fly coach. We were on a wide-body with the center seats facing the bulkhead. I said hello as I sat down, Wolfie just stared straight ahead at the bulkhead. He spent the entire flight like like with his short little legs not quite touching the floor. He had a trench coat on, too, so we could all tell he was in the news biz.
Aw, poor baby Wolfie had to fly coach. I guess he hated it so much that he's still with CNN (of course, possibly 'cuz no one else wants him). That trenchcoat part kinda gives me the creeps, though.
Ya should have faked hitting your knee and saying, "Tute me weah".
He worked for AIPAC before CNN. Probably still does.
I need to buy a Zerohedge T-shirt and wear it every fucking day until people understand.
Make your own.
Ezscreenprint.com
What they SHOULD do is demand an audit of all that debt. They should publicly declare their intention to pay on all LEGITIMATE debt, pending the results of an audit.
Why not just default? Because that plays into the whole "The Greeks are irresponsible!" meme. These huge sovereign debts are FULL of fraud, and many of them most likely cannot even be properly traced because of all the machinations of the CB's and their governments.
Just like the MERS situation exposed the shoddy situations with many home loans, TPTB have created such a complex construction around their financialization of everything that it is no longer possible to verify much of this debt. Debt like this is NOT legitimate, and there is no moral obligation to pay it.
So, rather than just default, they should use this opportunity to shine some light on all this phony, inflated debt. Who got what, and when? Names, dates, specific dollar figures...get it all out there for everyone to see.
Instead of being the world's 'deadbeats', they could help start a movement by exposing how fraudulent the whole thing IS.
And if Goldman Sachs was involved in saddling Greece with such onerous debt, then Greece's new government should announce an investigation of how this happened. If there was ANY wrongdoing, that debt should be immediately repudiated. Followed by arrests and asset seizures.
I have the feeling that everyone involved would MUCH rather the Greeks simply default. No one wants an audit of that debt...no one. Because much of it CAN'T be 'proven', and they KNOW that. They'd much rather have everyone see the Greeks as deadbeats.
For that reason alone they should absolutely NOT do a general default. They MUST state their intent to pay, but they must also demand that the debt be verified. They can then retain the moral high ground while putting the Troika's feet to the fire.
Why is Default for Companies a strategic initiative yet for people they are DEAD BEATS.
This board makes me laugh. How mant elections will it take for you to realize it wont change anything?
Yes, I suspsect you are right. I guess hope springs eternal.
The human condition is always with us.
We all want good things...like some Star Trek fantasy...maybe one day we will figure it all out.
(I'm still a closet Trekkie, but then I chose real-ity.)
Until then...it's Fight Club and work through the remains.
What's next ?
Everbody has a plan until...
>We all want good things...like some Star Trek fantasy
Who needs a nail gun when you can make a banker disappear completely with a phaser. :)
That's what makes me wonder why a election would need to be rigged when nothing fucking changes.
Now lets see if Syriza can keep their promises and stick a big ole fat Drachma up the Troika's ass.
This vote is the beginning of a wider wave which will sweep across Italy, Spain and the rest of Europe.
Agreed, and that new wider wave will be called BANKRUPTCY...which is precisely what these coutries need!
I'm delighted by this vote!
Just to fuck the EU (if they do), I am somewhat delighted. But really, another leftist/socialist gang in leadership of a country? If anybody has any success stories of such an arrangement, feel free to send them along.
No kidding, and taxing 75% for anyone over 500 grand a year? So now everyone's salary will be 499,999 plus whatever may be under the table.
I do think, however, that the Russian incentive is going to play a part. Because the whole world just can't live without olives.
I dont understand the ISSUE. The people DEFAULT, BANKRUPT, call it what you like and reorganize under a financial structure that allows people to thrive. My neighbor was released from his entire $92,000 of short term debt, Car loans, Credit Cards etc. He got to keep his cars. Yes his credit was dinged but 2 years later he got a new job, new car and this year a new mortgage. He even gave me the fist pump of success from his mail box when the letter came.
What is the difference. Companies do it all the time and Creditors are screwed and it is considered a proper business initiative. Yet people are deadbeats, losers, spend thrifts etc. The banks gave them the money.
Yes it kind of irritates me that Tom got to start new and I have always labored to pay my bills and be prudent but the banks gave hiim the money. My credit card companys are always trying to give me more credit but I dont take it. Maybe new laws need to be enacted to prevent this but these money handlers in many cases almost FORCE money on you. Talk about SUBPRIME for cars and school loans. They are absolutely bating you into taking a loan you really cannot afford. That is on them.
Who-hoo! The Ferrari is mine!
Dippy.
Please let me spell it out for you.
Greece was part of the overvalued Euro that prevented it's exports. This happened when Goldie Sachs went into interest rate swaps deal with Greece.
THis is YOUR bailed out failure, not Greece's.
Had Goldman Sachs been allowed to fail without TARP and the like, the interest rate swaps would've been cancelled at no cost to the counterparty like they were with Lehman Brothers. :)
Since Turkey experienced prosperity from exporting raw materials to OPEC (who should've been importing from the US but I digress)- Turkey has a trade SURPLUS which poised them in a better financial picture than say, Greece.
Both Greece and Turkey are a part of NATO.
Turkey is a Muslim country that does not participate in the Euro although they tried. Because TUrkey is at a financial advantage, they can buy warships and the like and go after Cyprus Offshore oil, which technically is under the control of Greece. Nobel Energy from Houston, Israel and Russia were also interested in this oil for some reason (I'm only speculating that it kept petrodollar financed liquidity in offshore tax havens like Greece and Cyprus).
Well because of this, Greece had to increase it's government spending for military which put them into default.
So Goldman Sachs took advantage of this opportunity to downgrade their ratings, demand more money from them and well soon- Greece default took the entire world down with them for a few hours.
Well Greece got bailed out a little, Turkey has control over that oil....
So because of your real estate flipping entitlement, Greece suffers. Nobody told you to take out an equity loan on a secondary mortgage valued at $700,000 that you couldn't afford in the first place to buy a clunkity loud lifted gas guzzling truck or SUV with a "Save Tahoe" sticker on the bumper which is infact a wasteful DEPRECIATING asset? When you have to finance the fuel for that thing on an equity line, along with quantitative easing robs my generation for your entitlements.
So again, the boomer (and their ilk trust fund snots) are all racist junkies whose entitlements and influence over the US Socialist Nazi tweaker trash kleptocracy literally ruined the world markets.
Would you like me to draw pictures?
YOU sir, do NOT get to patronize or condescend until you're entirely off the governments' tit.
good news.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
Love that smell of 2 parties burning.
(to the tune of We Are Sparta!)
We...Use... DRACHMA !
Leave the Euro? I bellieve that Syriza (Tsirpras) stated goal is to 'renegoiate' the Greek debt terms. There are LOTS of ways short of leaving the Euro that their debt can be 'fixed'. The last thing that TPTB in Europe want is to have Greece leave/default and have to deal with the fallout for all of their TBTF banks (in Europe). Much easier to just go to a zero-interest note with a 100 year payback than to face the destruction of the Euro. Who cares if they ever pay back the notes, or if they actually write down any of the principal on the debt. This is about keeping Italy (and Spain) from thinking they can do the same thing and threaten to pull-out / default on their debts. If they can keep Greece in the EU and just 'extend' the terms....then TPTB win this round of holding off the coming collapse.
Can I suggest that Tsirpras be on high alert for lurking nail-guns?
Just guessing , but my assumption is that ALL of those "LOTS of ways" that the Greek debt can be "fixed" involve people in northern Europe having their wealth stolen and handed over to tin pot dictators or mountebanks or grifters in Greece or wherever the globalist kleptocrats choose to park their private jets.
bigunit----seems to me that ALL of Europe (that use the Euro) are having their wealth stolen as-is.
This week's announcement of the 60billion/month QE was certainly not setup to benefit Greece.
I think you are right about the globalist kleptocrats, but I'm not sure how many of those live in Greece.
Greece has numerous problems that will take decades to work out, whether they default on their debts and reinstate the Drachma or if they stay in the EU and barely tread water.
Check all railroads and underground railroads between Greece and Russia...fast !
If Tsirpras shows up in Moscow...then you will see Natty passing between Turkey, thru Greece, to Italy by 2016.
Not sea change...rip tide.
new deal.
Golden Dawn? Weren't they terrorists in Die Hard?
They would have fared better as the Golden Porn Party
Let's hear it for Democracy!
- - H. L. Mencken
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OK, smart assess:
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The FREE SHIT Party shoots and SCORES!
Shockingly unshocking.
Be careful what you wish for. It’s always been the grand scheme for United States of America to adhere to EU governing standards. Yes, to merge within. That’s exactly why their efforts will fail. We have guns, they think a pen is mightier until their EU brain is blasted on the document the were planning to sign.
Continually think of the strategic long term agenda ploys.
Countdown to Syzira taking a more "mature and thoughtful" approach and deciding to stay in the EU and accepting continued debt serfdom in 5...4...3...
US stocks to the moon tomorrow. PMs crushed.
"US stocks to the moon tomorrow. PMs crushed."
It's about time as PMs are grossly oversold and stocks are grossly undersold. Of course the truth is precisely 180 degrees out from that, but this is the line you'll be hearing from CNBC tomorrow.
Gold and USD are positively correlated right now so maybe both will be up ... or down. Or maybe the dollar will be down and gold up, although that is a stretch. Then again, WTFK anymore.
Well markets are open. +1 for "the stretch". There is always tomorrow morning. Then again WTFK's!
The government will change.
Chances are, the lies will stay the same. The new party in charge will just demand a higher bribe from the EU, and whitewash everything while their bank accounts in Switzerland get fatter.
It will be pretty much more of the same. Unless Syriza is actually different, which is quite unlikely. It would be nice, but don't get your hopes up.
Bailouts for bankers and austerity for the people.
This madness had to end sometime.
The Greeks are leading the way
It will end, with depression for the people and a new life in another country in a $5 million palacial compound for the banksters.
I kinda remember the night (a Sunday) back in 2010-11 when Greece looked like it was going to default. The DOW futures were down -1500+ around midnight Chicago time. By morning it was like nothing had ever happened. Tonight should be interesting but I have learned these past few years (6+) that everything is a mirage so I'm sure everything will be hunky dory come 8:30 am tomorrow.
"Voridis, the conservative party's parliamentary spokesman, says the government's austerity policies, implemented to secure vital international bailouts, "make sense" but were cut short before they could bear fruit."
Most optimistic statement i heard last week right after Obummers SOTU.
ND with a surge of votes in the end to tie or upset.
What starts with a "D" and rhymes with "Rock Ma".
Seriously, Syriza is going to start something we will all get used to soon....wealth taxes. Tsipras is on record to support it.
Other leverage he has is leaving NATO and aligning with Russia, and building about 5 naval bases for Putin. That will garner some attention.