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Blowout Victory For Syriza In Greek Elections: Live Webcasts
UPDATE 3: With over 96% of precincts reporting, it looks like Syriza will end up with 149 seat in Parliament, just 2 shy of an absolute majority, although already several of the parties that are entering parliament have vocied their intention to allign with Syriza, so it will hardly be a significant hindrance to Tsipras to conduct whatever anti-Troika policy he wishes.
UPDATE 2:
Official results @ 50% of votes
SYRIZA 35.9
ND 28.3
G Dawn 6.4
Potami 5.8
KKE 5.4
PASOK 4.8
Ind Greeks 4.7
Kinima 2.5
#Greece
#ekloges2015
— MacroPolis (@MacroPolis_gr) January 25, 2015
UPDATE: Greek Government official admits electoral defeat by Syriza
As AP reports,
A senior official in Greece's governing conservatives has conceded defeat to the radical left Syriza party in Sunday's national elections.
"We lost," Health Minister Makis Voridis told private Mega TV. "The extent of that result is not yet clear."
Voridis, the conservative party's parliamentary spokesman, says the government's austerity policies, implemented to secure vital international bailouts, "make sense" but were cut short before they could bear fruit.
An exit poll on state Nerit TV projects Syriza winning by a wide margin.
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The first Greek exit polls are out and here they are:
According to the initial exit polls, in first place, with some 35.5%-39.5% of the vote is Syriza, a huge lead over the second placing New Democracy which has 23-27% of the vote - far more than polls had indicated previously - and a spot which essentially assures Tsipras' party an absolute majority in parliament and the ability to take as hardline an approach as he wishes.
The other parties:
- Golden Dawn nationalists: 6.4-8.0%
- The new party, To Potami, also with : 6.4-8.0%
- Venizelos' socialist Pasok: 4.2%-5.2%
- KKE: 4.7%-5.7%
- Independent Greeks: 3.5%-4.5%
- Knima: 2.2%-3.2%: probably not enough to pass the 3.0% threshold
How the parliament breakdown would look like with these numbers: SYRIZA has a 12.5 percentage point lead over New Democracy and is expected to get between 146 and 158 seats in Parliament, according to the exit polls.
- SYRIZA 152 (146-158)
- ND 70 ( 65- 75)
- Golden Dawn 19.5 ( 17- 22)
- POTAMI 19.5 ( 17- 22)
- KKE 14.5 ( 13- 16)
- PASOK 13.5 ( 12- 15)
- ANEL 11.5 ( 10- 13)
- KINIMA ( 0- 8)
A second take on what Greek parliament would look like also gives Syriza an almost certain majority:
Kapa Research projection of MPs: SYRIZA 148-154; ND 70-78; GD 16-20; Potami 16-19 #greece #ekloges2015
— Kathimerini English (@ekathimerini) January 25, 2015
A quick observation:
Greek exit polls: Extraordonarily, neo-nazi Golden Dawn could end up with more seats than Pasok (who won 44% of votes in 2009 election)
— Mats Persson (@matsJpersson) January 25, 2015
In short: if nothing changes drastically from here, a blowout victory for Syriza is essentially assured, one which gives it an absolute majority.
For those who wish to follow the data in real time from the ground, here are several live webcasts:
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He has leaving NATO in his programme.
Pretty easy to put these pieces together - ECB QE is nothing more than a plan to cover the European banks derivative exposure to Greece
This must be the beginning of the end for the EU elite. Most EU citizens now recognise that austerity for them is the cost of keeping the elite in the luxury to which they have become accustomed.
Why should the 99% continue suffering lower standards of living, whilst the 1% pockets half of the global wealth? Such inequality will no longer be tolerated. The US must ensure they follow suit in the next election.
Well done Greeks... You had the stones to tell Frau Merckel and her fuggin' NWO bankster-run Kraut Fourth Reich masquerading as the EU where to stick it. Hopefully other countries which have been enslaved with NWO bankster debt by the Frau's EU Fourth Reich will now grow a pair and do the same.
Down with the Czar! Down with the rich and the privileged! Congrats, Greece.
I wonder how long this process of renegotiation will take. Is it too optimistic to expect results by 2016? I'm not sure if that's enough time for the Greek flavor of commies to line their pockets.
Hooray Greece!
You're SCREWED!
@ DeliciousSteak: To which tier of "rich and privileged" do you refer? You really think this outcome was not anticipated at a higher level? Consider the fortune Soros just made, for example.
Greece will go through hell unless / until odious debt is repudiated and policy swings dramatically in favour of a real economy. That's it. In the meantime, this is just more song and dance and posturing and false hope exploited by a different arm of the political class.
Gold, bitchez???
You bet your ass, gold. I'm buying as much as I can today. Before markets open.
Despite the slant that states the opposite, the majority of Greeks would rather have their own currency. The polls in Greece are funded by those what want to see the outcome they seek, hence no media outlet in Greece ever mentions this Gallup International poll: http://www.orb-international.com/perch/resources/europeanattitudesresult...
Syriza manifesto below:
http://links.org.au/node/2888
Interesting excerpts for discussion:
1. Audit of the public debt and renegotiation of interest due and suspension of payments until the economy has revived and growth and employment return.
2. Demand the European Union to change the role of the European Central Bank so that it finances states and programs of public investment.
3. Raise income tax to 75% for all incomes over 500,000 euros.
5. Increase taxes on big companies to that of the European average.
6. Adoption of a tax on financial transactions and a special tax on luxury goods.
7. Prohibition of speculative financial derivatives.
8. Abolition of financial privileges for the Church and shipbuilding industry.
9. Combat the banks' secret [measures] and the flight of capital abroad.
10. Cut drastically military expenditures.
14. Free health benefits to the unemployed, homeless and those with low salaries.
17. Fiscal reductions for goods of primary necessity.
18. Nationalisation of banks.
19. Nationalisation of ex-public (service & utilities) companies in strategic sectors for the growth of the country (railroads, airports, mail, water).
23. Extension of the protection of labour and salaries of part-time workers.
24. Recovery of collective (labour) contracts.
29. Demilitarisation of the Coast Guard and anti-insurrectional special troops. Prohibition for police to wear masks or use fire arms during demonstrations. Change training courses for police so as to underline social themes such as immigration, drugs and social factors.
32. Depenalisation of consumption of drugs in favor of battle against drug traffic. Increase funding for drug rehab centres.
33. Regulate the right of conscientious objection in draft laws.
35. Elimination of payments by citizens for national health services.
36. Nationalisation of private hospitals. Elimination of private participation in the national health system.
37. Withdrawal of Greek troops from Afghanistan and the Balkans. No Greek soldiers beyond our own borders.
38. Abolition of military cooperation with Israel. Support for creation of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders.
40. Closure of all foreign bases in Greece and withdrawal from NATO.
Fascist take over by Xmas
Damn. Time to buy gold.
Well, given that the Soviet Union has ceased to exist, given that the Putin regime has officially made new Russia into a feudal oligarchy state where every vestige of social protection has been erased, we now have Greece pretending to replace that dream in Orthodox Europe.
All the while making it clear that Syriza's Greece will be left wing like the Catalonians in the Spanish Civil war, and thus no friends of the church.
So this is now the beginnings of populist European movement as the pendulum swings back to socialism in the Mediterranean region.
Who is next?
And what will northern Europe that rules in Brussels say to this challenge?
Once again, the key to Europe's continental future lies with France, lynch pin between latin south and teutonic north.
Whose current alignment with Mutti is BASED ON SAVING THE BANKS and its instrument the Euro, no longer perceived --nor utilized by the bankster cabal-- as the instrument of the people.
And... supporting the US machine guarding the Oil patch to which Europe is totally subservient.
Thus the basic choice is between people's rule; aka democracy; and Oligarchy hold on the economy, without alienating the energy chain controlled by big oil.
Awesome times. As Pax Americana calls the shots in Brussels.
Will, or more appropriately, CAN Northern Europe evolve to something which is less reliant on US hegemony and more reliant on European solidarity?
As Churchill once famously said : Between Europe and the great open; aka the Nation on the other side of the pond; the UK will always choose the great open.
Mutti cannot make that choice as she is anchored into the heart of Europe; just like France.
I don't see an easy outlet to all these contradictions.
Our new Renaissance will know a lot of pain just like the old one.
So how does the Euro break apart, wthout collateral damage in all directions.
I bet you they are all dumb enough to bring in the useless dollar as the emergency currency -for all of southern Yerp.
The EU and ECB will be issuing huge threats and bribes - now to a smaller group of Greek leaders than to the whole voting country. They will also be watching and influencing Spain, Italy and other weak countries in order to avoid contagion. They have to make these bubble countries see how 'horrible' it is to leave the Euro.
Greeks and Banksters - there is not so much difference. At least Bankers always let you know about the costs and what they do next....
soon greek women will be seen in our corners!
cool news!
http://adultbizforum.com/showthread.php?t=246639
im looking forward to get my own helen of troy!!
now's the time!
http://www.thasnasty.com/forum/Thread-greek-girls-are-hot-and-unemployed
http://www.xvideos.com/video3252190/greek_girl_casting
A cool comment:
A GuardianWitness user in Greece has spoken of their elation and concerns after voting for Syriza.
Elections in GreeceI voted for SYRIZA, the left-wing party that seems to be winning the elections in Greece. I am elated and worried at the same time. I am elated because the progressive political domain I traditionally belong in seems to be achieving a historical victory. On the other hand, I am worried because, despite Alexis Tsipras' declared intentions to fight against austerity, the conservative political forces in Europe seem irremovably positioned against that prospect.
What I can say with certainty, if you allow me to interpret the outcome of the elections in Greece, is that the Greek people definitely voted against the effort the memorandum-friendly elements -both domestic (current governing party and current P.M., Mr. Samaras) and foreign- made to intimidate them and 'manipulate' their voting by exercising terror on them, focusing on words like 'bankrupcy', 'destruction', 'horror' etc. If nothing else, the Greek people proved that they won't be intimitated and for that I am proud -no matter what happens henceforth.
Sent via Guardian Witness
By wellfightintheshade
25 January 2015, 19:22
Throughout western Europe the growing opposition to the EU bankers and bailout is labeled “far right.” So why is the same opposition in Greece called radical far left? Syriza happens to be saying what the people are saying and expressing what they want; Alexis Tsipras is not going to back down when he’s in office.
Shitstorm incoming.
Country which resets first before the BIG RESET gets the best deal, no ?
Bet Greece goes Ruskie. It's in the cards.
Current vote counts here:
http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/v/public/index.html?lang=en#{%22cls%22:%22level%22,%22params%22:{%22level%22:%22epik%22,%22id%22:1}}
hmm, around 40% of those who voted for 2/3 the seats (including the extra 50?)
that doesn't show the turnout, just those who have voted so far?
looks like another country that might need to partition (like Ukraine)
Let's see. Syriza will get the 50 extra seats, so pretty much they rule.
Expect big increases in social spending and tax cuts (for those who actually pay taxes).
Arisotle said: ""Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the rulers."
Greece, by definition is indigent. How ironic that a social/communist party now has a form of Democracy.
This is a no-win game for Europe. Greece however can leave Euroland and may, as Iceland did, do quite well.
The European banking/governmental entities, not so well.
To see who Greece owes check a neat "trucks of $100 Euro notes owed to who" at:
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/eu/debt_greek/debt_greek.html
Hmmmm.
Aristotle was a smart dude.
I think he may even have been smarter than Obama.
Bet Syriza (36%) will team up with Golden Dawn (6.4%) and Independent Greeks (4.7%)...near 48%...pretty solid voting block.
Reset ?
What the fuck you smoking dude? SYRIZA and Golden down supporters KILL each other in the streets! I mean WTF. There is some dumb shit written on this site but insinuating SYRIZA will make coalition with Golden Down has to be the dumbest shit ever written here.
When your level of knowledge is so abysmally low you really should try to avoid demonstratng the fact.
Interesting times.
Thinking all three would 'vote' Grexit...and come what may.
If they demand exit (how ? would they only gain benefits or really exit)
If KKE gets their say...its off to Russia.
Chaotic.
The game is afoot.
KKE is not in good terms with Russia anymore...this is not the '80's
Only Golden Dawn openly supports re-alignment.
Amen to that
Apparently, Syriza condemns the EU on their Ukraine/Russia actions.
http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.article&id=1920
Syriza Forms Coalition Government With Anti-Bailout Independent Greeks: What Happens Next
Oh well.
The moment the members of the Eurozone get rid of the Greekers and kick them out has come: I hope Mr. Tsipras will get the majority to cut the lines and transfer-pipelines.
We will see the real living-standard based on olives & feta cheese.
I visited Greece a few weeks before their last Olympics and was pretty shocked. Half the buildings weren't completed and they simply said "F.... You!" to the Olympic Committee about putting a roof on the swimming pool. The embezzlement rate was astronomical and even the greek people admitted that.
Many great nations, whether it be Egypt, Greece, Rome, France, UK, and so on, ultimately fail. It's a natural evolution of creation, leveling fof then self-destruction. We see it now in the USA; there are no foreign invaders ruining Merika---it's many of our own politicans and leaders who are doing it. I hope we can turn direction and become a solid nation and peeples once again. That's why people voted for Barry; they were fed up with Bush but what they got was Bush II on speed.
Lets hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
"there are no foreign invaders ruining Merika"
Oh my aching sides! Haven't laughed so much in months.
Not sure he was disputing the existence of foreign invaders, just recognising they are present because US politicians have allowed and encouraged it to happen as just one part of the destruction of the US by its own internal enemies.
The saddest thing is this event needed to happen 5 years ago not be kept as an EZ debt slave indefinitely.
If Greece decides to reject the level of condition and quality of life put upon them can you blame them? YOU WOULD FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME.
For Greece now the chance to move on, grasp a future like Iceland is possible no long drawn out death of an economy unless you believe how nice and good it is in Greece.
NICE AND GOOD? Then WTF they voting as they are --->> because it ain't nice and rosy.
Supposed to be 120% debt to GDP in 2020 and so far are the indicators are suggesting the Troika figures cannot be achieved hence the Troika lied.
Yes. But Iceland is geographically isolated, while Greece is next to Italy and Turkey and the Balkans.
Greece is also key position for the upcoming SouthStream/BlueStream, the natty must pass through Greece to Italy and Europe...no question.
Given the situation Greece will need a new Sugar Daddy...and like sayin', it looks like it will be Putin or Turkey or some combination of far East leaders.
Turkey as Greece's sugar daddy?
LOL
History is not your strong point I presume
I'm guessing half of America thinks that Syria just won the greek election.
Half?
You're too kind
Half are too busy watching some pro bowl game peppered with beer and car commercials to even know what's going on outside their "mancave"
German taxpayers are suffering in the same way for banksters and other criminals. But they didn't spend an inappropriate life-style beyond all measures over the years. Remembering to Greeks so called "social wealth" means experiencing pure anarchy build on credits - what means other peoples money. That living standard was not only facilitated by incomparable egoism and corruption of it's voted political class but also it's irresponsible voters itself. The truth is: Almost all Greek people benefited of this exorbitant paranoid system. At the same time we see a broad tradition of avoiding taxes, non-functioning and non-controllably authorities. The only thing which is working well is a perfect system of fakelaki and self-deceit.
Germans were so silly to help the Greekers like no other people in the world to refinance their exorbitant credit-parties and ignorantly living standard based on feta cheese, olives, embezzled European subsidies and wrong statistics.
Continuing their bad game and refusing to pay back own doubts Greeks also cut each form of solidarity with that normal, hard-working, other peoples debts paying German people. It's to easy to transfer it's own guilt of extravagance to other people - to tell fairy stories of rich German taxpayers and provoke anger waving flags showing Angela Merkel as Nazi.
One is for sure: There will never be a second Federal state of Germany for Greece - but 100% reliance that debts problems return very soon in that 100%-fakelaki-country.
Greeks got used to a nice standard of living. Unfortunately it was largely on someone else's dime.....mainly the industrious and frugal Germans. Now they don't want to pay what they owe and also want the Germans to continue subsidizing their lifestyle. And if they don't they're EVIL NAZIS.
Greece is on the right path. Socialism is going to save their ass. I'm moving there to chew on octopus and enjoy economic freedom. /sarc
Tsipras: "No winners and losers. Today was a defeat for the Greece of elites and oligarchs."
Let us hope politicians, bankers, and the 1% CEOs in the West are all paying attention today! This is how Democracy works - not withstanding the Soros's and the Koch's!
Syriza has 149 of 300 seats so far!
"This is how Democracy works"
My goodness, you are naive.....
If SYZIRA wins, but does not get an absolute maijorty, and cannot form a government, does that mean that third place golden Dawn gets a chance to form a coalition?
With 149 of 300 seats (50% reporting) there is NO chance of it happening!
ANEL .. a rightist anti-austerity party has sealed the deal with Syriza already.
Golden Dawn is totally radioactive to the lefties
Get real.
Dump or borrow euro, buy danish krone !!! *whisper* (or gold)
what haus t said. f them all time for people to control their own lives not live in debt slavery to banks. and if i may add one thing to what he said f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f and double f the banks . there i feel better ha ha f them all f ing enslaving pieces of shit
No Way will they ever be able to pay back ANY debt with this type of 'freebie handout' agenda. They are also going to scare off any 'rich' folks and larger businesses so there will be little in the way of tax revenue. So to keep this agenda, even if they default all their existing debt, they will have to borrow all over again. Let 's hope they moderate this.
Same as it's always been in Greece. Vote for the party that promises something for nothing, panaceas, somebody else will pick up the tab. I'd cheerfully string up all the banksters but just because they're crooks doesn't mean the Greek politicians and the people who elected themdon't also help carry the can.
"They are also going to scare off any 'rich' folks and larger businesses"
That may be true, but "Rich Folks" and larger businesses don't go to small countries like Greece to help. They go there to harvest the countries wealth and buy public assets at pennies on the dollar.
Interesting spin.....
http://ejpress.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51403&ca...
Syriza is really pro EU.
Russia had already promised new relations with Greece if it leaves the EU.
Looks like that won't be happening now.
http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/19-01-2015/129550-greek_election-0/
I think Syriza will try to find out which side can offer the best deal first; EU or Russia. However, I don't think Syriza will make a wise choice.
Syriza says it wants to keep the euro. The party doesn't really care keeping euro or not. Their real motive is to use euro as a leverage to those bunch of criminals in Brussel.
Do the haircut and they keep the euro (for now). Otherwise, they will, "F**k the EU".
If haircut is happening, banks will suffer mega losses in so called "valueable asset" which is just junk bonds. ECB will need to print even more euro to buy back those junk assets. As a result, euro goes further down. That piles even more pressure to Danish krone peg. Eventually, the Denmark central bank will have to do a Swiss.
Portugal, Italy, and Spain would be very stupid beyond believe if they don't follow the Greek move. It's human nature.
The only thing that matters is - will there be a bank run ?
How much longer until Obama declares Syriza to be 'terrorists', imposes sanctions, and send in the State Department and Blackwater teams to overthrow the elected government?
or vice versa...don't piss off a greek!
ZWO marches on.
So basically they want an end to austerity and not an end to EU membership. Basically a bunch of socialists that want to suck German tit. It would be good news if there was a majority of people that voted somebody in on the basis of leaving the EU. Socialism sucks. I passed through Nicaragua the other day, a total shithole. Everybody that could leave has left.
Dupe
Now, Greece, follow through.
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#1: 100% DEFAULT. The debt is 100% fiat, afterall.
#2: Make "grams of physical gold" official currency.
#3: Cut government/handouts 99.9%, +/- 0.1%.
#4: Declare independence... every individual.
#5: Set taxes at 0%.
#6: Get to work and live the good life.
"Thank you sir, may I have another".
If Tsipras doesn't sell out, it's the beginning of the end for the Euro
So, as we all expect, a better than even chance now that Greece will unilaterally re-write the terms of sovereign debt into drachma and leave the Euro. Having done so, the drachma drops by 90% from the re-write terms and the Greek debt is restructured. That will take some time. They'd like an element of surprise, but that's hard to get now. They have to form a government, but they really can't expect to be able to issue new debt until they're on the drachma - so the heat is on. Really on. It's hard to see how the ECB can play sugar daddy while they prepare.
Here's what I'm wondering. If I'm Italy - do I want Greece to dump the EUR while all my sovereign debt is in it? There's an incentive to be the first mover. I'd like to prepare quickly and quietly within the current government - roll it out on a Sunday and have a new currency before a government is even formed in Greece, then have my EUR debt restated in the new lira while it stands above dollar parity. It would be bold, difficult to be sure - but less traumatic than what Greece is going to experience.
Looking at spot gold, silver, platinum. Looks like a non event. Any reason why. I thought this would be good for PM's.
The rise from $1200 to $1300 probably was the event. The next event will be when Syriza actually does the deed.
Merkel, the head puppet in Brussels, Oh, I meant Berlin, must now call Obama and ask permission to deal with the Greek threat to freedom, democracy and Zionist Bankers across the globe.
No matter if the new Greek government is socialist, or crony capitalist, neither side is able or willing to confront real economic and social issues. All they are capable of doing is going to Brussels and to the ECB and asking Zionist Bankers what to do. Whatever the new government tires, it has no power, power resides in Brussels and Berlin, but also ultimately in Washington DC, home base of Zionism and it's Bankers.
Greek people have no hope, no change. Brussels will skin those fuckers alive, it is only how and when they will get around to finishing that job.
The EU is waging all out war to add Ukraine to the EU, at a time when it is falling apart in the south, and the next giant shoe to drop is Spain, then Italy. thank you. After all, when 1% have half the wealth, live is pretty fucking good! With nothing left to do, Europe will increasing seek a wider war in the East, spreading it all across the borders with Russia. Nothing left but to wage war.
Here is what Russia has waiting to defend itself.
" if the Russian army appears in front of UAF, it will be easy to determine.
The first sign - failure of all means of communication, full discharging of batteries in vehicles, tanks and other equipment, at the same time, discharge of batteries in mobile phones, the targets, and radio stations. Then, there is a rapture of electric circuits throughout all the equipment - all of it. This is EMP. All engines stall, no way to restart. This is how the system "X" works (in order to protect the author we do not specify the name), with a range of up to 20 km.
Second - complete failure of all systems using LCD monitors, the failure of all target-locating devices of the air defense system. This is how the complex "Altair" works (this is a known complex in the world, we can name it).
Third - a failure to deploy any kinds of guided missile weapons - from MANPADS to PTURS [anti-tank guided reactive missile]. Upon launching, the ammunition liquidates itself.
This is a battalion complex "Z" - on the basis of MTLB [multi-target light armored transporter]. Range - 15 kilometers.
Fourth - it is impossible to use a drone and low-flying aircraft. Their on board electronics will fail. This is system "Y". Then there is a complex "Avtobaza", which can forcibly land a drone.
What will happen next? Dozens (hundreds, if necessary) of the latest combat helicopters, flying over all the roads, start hunting for single armored vehicles, trains, cars. Railroad is paralyzed, bridges blown up. The lights go out on the home front - electric stations are out of service. Civil and military headquarters on the home front and separate leaders simultaneously are liquidated by the recon-subversive groups.
This is roughly how the Russian army would conduct military operations today. Therefore, the wet dreams about the "hero-cyborgs", spitting flame on hundreds of Russian tanks, are better left to science fiction writers."
Also to add. 7,500 Ukrainian troops were encircled and trapped today by a rebel offensive NE of Donetsk. No comment from Kiev. But officially NAD announced closing this mini Stalingrad. Ukraine attacked a week ago, they have sent their men into a slaughter house, and they do not care. When do these victims of Kiev's foolish Nazi Junta turn around and head to Kiev to exact revenge for their wanton murder.
EMP is temporary, not permanent, and barely noticeable in military-grade hardware.
I repeat what I posted previously, as a hodge-podge of entertaining stuff for more macabre comedy "relief," under this article: Greece - By The Numbers
The ten statistics featured in the article above are the description of the GREEK hangover, after their Bankster's Bash. Greece went through the hangover from the banksters' Bubble Party, which sort of severe hangover is coming to every other country, to whatever level they also participated in those Bubble Parties:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84359240&v=Q3peAYJSJSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p3vCw72Vgg
& Here is a flashback video, whose point was
ITS QUESTION WAS NEVER ANSWERED:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOzR3UAyXao
World Collapse Explained in 3 Minutes
Wickedly true humour.
"Called laughing why you sink."
Classic comedy bit becomes painful reality!
I expect the new government in Greece to be based on reactionary revolution, which is probably grossly insufficient to cope with the banksters, other than to drive even more psychotic breakdowns and crazy collapse into chaos. With typical Zero Hedge understatement, this article considers how: "This Won't Remain Confined In Greece"
“if Greece’s rebellion was to occur in a coherent way, [..] it would be only a matter of time before it was replicated in other parts of the continent.” But don’t think ‘they’ will let it happen peacefully. They’ll organize huge social unrest, inject violence, and then try to use it to clamp down on the population and reinforce their grip on power. This won’t remain confined to Greece.
The whole world is operating inside of fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, based on being able to back up legalized lies with legalized violence, which have been getting worse, faster, at an exponential rate throughout the history of Neolithic Civilization.
MONEY IS MEASUREMENT BACKED BY MURDER, AND
DEBT CONTROLS ARE BACKED BY DEATH CONTROLS.
To challenge the international banksters brings those relatively hidden facts more to the forefront. Since the vast majority of people are not willing and able to understand that money is measurement backed by murder, the banksters do that for them, to them. I.e., "Greece was the hostage that the kidnappers executed in order to demonstrate that they were serious."
ES having a hissy fit tonight. Over this?
If the EU and the IMF aren't going to give Greece any more dough, they might well do an Iceland.
Listen you Fucking Fucks.
The US is the CENTER OF THE FUCKING WORLD and I will prove it.
All these fancy charts of GOLD going parabolic in othe countries (CAD/EUR/RUB) MEAN fucking nothing to America. If YOU, dumbass American were to have bought 1oz of gold last year in RUB at 40K/oz you would be sitting on a 100% WIN!!! as gold is now 80K RUB. Except you wouldn't have made a fucking dime as an American. Do the fucking conversion. The RUB has HALVED VS the USD which means that if you made 100% profit in Russian RUBs you can now convert your money back to USDs and have the SAME FUCKING AMOUNT!
What the fuck does this mean? THAT YOU ARE FUCKED! That the US not fucking gold is the CENTER OF THE FUCKING UNIVERSE.
It doesn't matter what currency you look at (CAD/EUR/ETC) you would have made NOTHING!
The ONLY way to win is to SHORT gold in other currencies so that you can make money (in digits in their currency) and then convert that shit to USDs at at even BETTER rate. You fucking win 2X SHORTING gold and you win 0 times going long gold.
Have a nice fucking day!
Or you could have bought the SnP and gone fishing.
ha ha take it easy tonto! i think we all know that gains and losses in local currency terms of a dollar based price depend on exchange rates into a local currency! pretty much in the same way that gains and losses in japanese or european shares or profits need to be converted from yen or euros to get the US dollar equivalent!
I like the fucking language, but you're fucking wrong. Gold is gold. The dollar is a safe haven for some, but what about the next QE? It's coming and that's a fact! The dollar as the reserve currency of the world has it's days numbered. The US dollar might have a year or two, but that's it. Meanwhile, gold priced in all currencies will continue up. I've seen a 300% increase in my gold investment since 2005. Thank you very much.
And if I bought that one ounce of gold in the U.S. in 1997? Gold is long term, not short term.
What does gold do now?
Absolutely nothing from the look of it. Gold and the miners have been beaten down so much and for so long it seems like nothing will make any difference. Gold is ln a persistent vegetative state. Even the eyes flickering open on this patient would be a miracle.
It might be best to see what Syriza does before getting too excited. They won the election based on promises of change. Promises from politicians loosely translate to "I'll respect you in the morning."
Now that the election is over, Syriza's actual intent will become clear soon enough.
You may remember that the US had an election in 2008 that was decided by -- promises -- of change. After the election, all that happened was that the trajectory never changed and things got worse. We'll have to wait to see if Syriza is real or just another fraud.
I lived in Greece for several years, many years ago. It's a very, very small county and nearly insignificant in the world of finance. BUT, any country not paying their debt or demanding a 0% rate from lenders is a HUGE deal. Imagine if Italy or Spain did that next. Holy moly! That would be a tidal wave and not a ripple through the financial world. Lehman 2 here we come!
Also, Greeks don't pay their State (Federal) Income taxes (up to 45% tax). It's almost a seemingly voluntary system and EVERYONE cheats like hell. They're just not organized like most countries. The governmemnt barely survives on VAT and sales taxes. Years of socialism, like about 40 years, has finally caused a problem. Everyone can't work for the government. The government can't tax itself enough to pay employees. Add the liberal State retirement program and you have a problem.
The sad part is the USA is on the same path and at the same point. The biggest difference is the dollar is the world's reserve currency.
"Years of socialism...has finally caused a problem."
So the ECB, the Euro Commission and the IMF had nothing to do with the situation the Greeks currently finds themselves in? You've heard of austerity, right?
And all those billions of bail-out euros, do you really think it went into Greek pockets? Those euros bailed out Deutsche Bank and foreign investors first and foremost.
The average Greek works more hours annually than a worker in any other OECD country - more than Belgium, more than Denmark, more than France, Germany, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, The UK etc. etc. - but hey, they're apparently lazy, don't pay their way and deserve what they get. Greece being tied to the euro is the problem... end of story.
I don't understand who is the one Greek people want to punish, but I apprehend their last and only collegial proponent Angela Merkel for her infantil believe that Greekers are confidential people.
At home this woman gets more and more problems to explain it's own voters why Greeks have all this special rights to break contracts.
To explain why this Greek voters should get another haircut about 50% of the remaining debts which means in case of Germany 50 billion Euro. With other word: Around 20.000 Euro for each four-headed family in Greece. Only in case of Germany!
The mood is: Kick them out like it was neglected in 2012.
The East-German pastor-daughter doesn't want to realize Greeks (...and banksters....) mentality, but taxpayer are teaching her more and more by pressure: Germanys new party AFD is the fast-growing counterpart of Syrzia and hangman of Angela Merkel: They articulate clearly what almost every German learned in the last five years: Until you don't cut off consequently and forever money supply to Greeks they rip you of like an nonchalant oriental carpet dealer.
Greeks don't belong in EU. They have just kicked themselves out of it. Germans are going to be very happy with this. DAX is going to rocket in the coming weeks.
The Occupied Germany by the 4 Powers was in utter mess and in GREAT DEBT.
You chumps have NOT PAID WAR REPARATIONS TO GREECE even though Greece was attacked by You Germans, the Italians and your Faschist Collegues the Bulgarians, even though Greece had an Identical Political System as your own, Faschist that is.
You Forced a HUGE LOAN out of Greece with your Fuhrer's OWN signature, in order to finance the war in Africa.
You Destroyed the whole country and even killed UNARMED Old men women AND CHILDREN. The Highest percentage in the Whole of Europe, even to that of the Russians, PERCENTAGE that is.
YOU DID NOT PAY THE GREEKS to this DAY.
Also Greece and Germany have NOT SIGNED AN END TO HOSTILITIES.
After You The British carried on the slaughter and caused a Civil War.
And you come in here to pontificate about the OBLIGATIONS of the Greeks to International Banksters?
Mr Panos IS RIGHT AFTER ALL.
To the EU... Don't let the door hit your fat ass on the way out!
Russian Federation Here we come!... Russian gas pipelines from Turkey to Greece and olive oil and feta are in Moscow's future!
Time to break out the "Metaxa 7 Star" and celebrate!
I wish the Geek people all the best to their new future!
Better Moscow than Islam.
Woo...ooo, I'm a'goin long on Ouzo, Feta and Greek olives.
I wish all the best to the Greek people as well as the Greek Geeks!
The Europeans will bailout Greece and of course the Communists will get the credit!
Brilliant!!!
Yanis Varoufakis: 'We are going to destroy the Greek oligarchy system' http://www.channel4.com/news/we-are-going-to-destroy-the-greek-oligarchy...
Jul 05, 2011 Keiser Report: Robbed and Securitised (E161) with Economist Yanis Varoufakis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtIDKtaTz3M
Aug 13, 2011 Greece debt crisis-On the Edge with Max Keiser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOjkGVmR3Eg
Feb 09, 2012 Keiser Report: Black Holes & Gold Hills (E247) with Dr. Yanis Varoufakis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt8Dv15FtsM
Aug 13, 2011 [OTE118] On the Edge with Yanis Varoufakis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOjkGVmR3Eg
Jun 14, 2012 [KR301] Keiser Report – Con Games Go Global! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk4Y0U-bQmA
Sep 15, 2012 On the Edge with Yanis Varoufakis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOy0uL_LTZ0
Jul 11, 2013 Keiser Report: Facing New Peasant Revolt (E469) with Prof. Yanis Varoufakis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTVhrIj2aOk
Jan 13, 2015 Yanis Varoufakis: Why I am running for election in Greece on the SYRIZA ticket http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbxZB6HYY8k
Thanks for that great set of links, Youri Carma!
SYRIZA is going to get 149 seats out of a 300. A huge minority, but not a majority. So they will have to form a coalition.
Problem is...who are they going to get to join them?
Independent Greeks are going to demand the return of the drachma, something SYZIRA doesn't want to commit to.
Golden Dawn would probably agree just to legitimize their organization, but SYZIRA would never accept their help.
The other parties all remember when SYZIRA wouldn't play ball during the last election, and will likely return the favor.
The other minority parties would all require Golden Dawn's support to form a government, which isn't happening.
Therefore, either two MPs will have to jump to SYZIRA, or we're looking at another round of elections in March.
already several of the parties that are entering parliament have vocied their intention to allign with Syriza .
READ THE ARTICAL,.
Oh well, I never got far on your reply either.
Update 3 came out long after I posted that.
Oh well, I guess it's too much to ask that you figure that out on your own.
Army coup to,orrow
My thoughts exactly. The banksters can't allow this to happen.
They would 've done it 4 years ago.
SYRIZA is Controlled through Soros. Search Varoufakis and his mates , you will not be surprised .
Sexy Alexis was chosen when he presented himself at Bookings Institute, and subsquently at Texas.
EVERYTHING is going to plan.
The Greeks have learned from the Previuous Civil Wars 1944-46 and 1947-49, those options are limited. Maybe Turkey will oblige again, or Albania, if they are stupid
The unexpected factor is the Expats. thatS the big unknown. It could be VERY RISKY.
Interesting point,
Escapedgoat:
"SYRIZA is controlled through Soros.
Search Varoufakis and his mates ..."
I assumed that they would be reactionary revolutionaries, but I was not aware of the perspective that your recommended taking.
Greece has an army? So they don't want to be debt slaves. Hows that gonna work. The new currency will be backed up by the same tax cheats and lazy gimmie shiet filthy greco's. It's appropriate the marxist take them to the gulag.
Perhaps the banksters will bring in some mercenaries, you know, like the one caught on film in Mariupol.
Well the bankers are going to want to be bailed out on this one. Let the real problems begin. Why do you think the ECB annouced a $1 Trillion in printing?
Whatever the Greek election results and coming policies are Greece will be bailed out by European politicians.
No they want...everyone in Europe wants them out.
Does this mean Greece is going to default?
Arrest Llyod Blankfein.
Here we go...the ZeroProfit crowd here is going to have a massive orgasm over this but the REAL world has been preparing for this for a few months now. The lazy Greeks should exit the Euro asap and look forward to the day that they become yet another failed state like Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Yemen et at. Good bye you useless idiots. The EU will be better off without you.
This is kind of interesting: The Puffington Host had an article earlier today stating that Neo Demokratia (New Democracy) had won!!!
I looked at this around noon today. Now, at 2000 hours, it's gone from the internet. Go figure...
;-D
The Greeks took great pride in the fact that they were in the EU and Turkey wasn't. Now they have to face the fact that they have voted themselves into oblivion and irrelevance. The world foes not give a fuck about Greece anymore.
Germans will convert massively to CHF, USD and first and foremost gold and silver over the next few weeks.
Watch for massive, massive demand on all metals from the Eurozone especially Germany. This will bring a wave of Asian buying with it because shit is getting too hot now.
Price is completely irrelevant when THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE LEFT TO PUT THE MONEY!
Thanks, central fucking planners of gargantuant proportions. Your utmost incompetence has totally fucked up the world.
Those who control the central planners are not incompetent. Driving the world into feudalism is the plan.
Default just like Iceand.
Then wipe out all your debt.
Central planning and bigger and bigger brother. What's the solution. More of the same. Why didn't I think of that?
Greece needs a new currency. Gold?
http://redd.it/2the81
Repost:
What are the other possibilities for socialist spending in Greece?
- The Siren Call of foreign bankers and the constant pressure from bankers that national government debt was unsecured, and spending was excessive... while bankers always appear to later corrupt the rules, and lend more to them at higher rates or with a long term plan to raise rates in subsequent years.
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- Bankers = THE Problem, = related to Mafia Schemes -
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Think Greece would be in hock without mafia banking schemes??
Natural Interest Rates & Pricing would prevail without the EU and without Euro, Greece would print Drachma for itself until limits were reached...
Instead Greece has no CB, can't print money so to speak, has no control or independence. Sovereignty was lost to the Siren call of bankers....
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- Bankers = THE Problem, = related to Mafia Schemes -
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I think David Stockman would agree with me.
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- Banking Corruption = US System of Influence, Hegemony-
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It's Organized Crime &
Controlled Opposition.
The real world is dominated by the methods of organized crime, while all of the apparent opposition is controlled to provide the illusion that is not the case. Moreover, if one thinks more deeply about that, one will discover how and why that is necessarily the case. There is NO way to stop human beings and civilization from being entropic pumps of energy, that follow fractal patterns of organized crime. However, it is POSSIBLE that, perhaps, enough people could go through enough paradigm shifts in perception that they would understand that situation enough so that the opposition to the established organized crime systems would not be so ineffective?
The great paradox of human civilization is that it was made by warfare, in which success was based on deceits. That is how and why we have nothing but organized crime and controlled opposition. There MUST be some death controls which are central to everything else, and there ARE. However, those which actually exist operate through the maximum possible deceits, which includes that the publicly significant controlled opposition groups stay within the same basic bullshit frame of reference as the established systems.
Our entire political economy is built on ENFORCED FRAUDS. However, the vast majority of people do not understand that, since they have been conditioned to not want to understand that. Moreover, the few that do continue being reactionary revolutionaries, promoting the impossible ideals that governments should not be based on the principles and methods of organized crime, which end up being controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. Therefore, most of the few that do understand how the established systems actually work mostly still default to promoting bogus "solutions" which continue to cause the opposite to happen in the real world.
"I'm going to take a nap. If the 2 trillion euros is on the table when I wake up, I'll know we have a deal".
yeah, its going to take the EU, the IMF, the NWO, and the CIA about ten minutes longer than usual to put this guys balls in the vice and get him to agree to their terms. thats what a landslide of public opinion buys you, about ten minutes of freedom
What if we all want to know Banking Systems, but are left to pose questions on internet blogs? Does that make Banking a Secret Industry?
Maybe it is a secret club.
- What if you can't learn Banking in College
- What if you have to work in Banking to learn separate narrow segments of banking
- What if government can't brief you on Banking, Derivatives, Rehypothication, Fractional Reserve Banking, History of Banking, European Banking, Wall Street banking, etc
- What if Banking Industry says they won't explain the banking system since it is Proprietary Information
What if the Truth seems to be you have to join the industry, be watched, be vetted, give them your name & life history, before you learn the current economy system influences of banking?
What if US Voters can Not be informed Voters, can Not be responsible voters, can Not know Candidates Morals, an Not know Lobbyist Morals, can Not know the best direction for the USA, and therefore can not participate in Democracy without this "Banking Knowledge"??
Well, wouldn't that make Banking knowledge defacto "Secret", and opposed to Democracy & the US Constitution of the United States? Secrets used to fall under US Laws and were Regulated by FOIA Requests & Laws.
- And Yet propaganda seems to make FED Info Secret
- And Yet US CONgress seems not to represent Main Street
- And Yet Banking holds the US Public in Disdain, in Contempt, in Disregard, and under high interest fees for Credit
I guess Independent Greeks are going to partner with SYZIRA after all.
Good luck with that...
not long ago there were democraticaly elected leaders that had to resign in order tp please the troika
A little surprised that the EURUSD didn't decline more on the open and that gold prices moved, so far. Gold is flat in dollars and up about 4 EUR.
Syriza joins the Eurasian Economic Union and leaves NATO in 3...2...1...
Seriously, who can stop them? The Greeks tried leaving NATO in 1974 already.
"Syriza joins the Eurasian Economic Union and leaves NATO in 3...2...1..."
That may be the only way forward. Putin's already made soft noises to the Greeks.
WOW! that would make Washington & NATO very angry, especially given the claimed oil deposits in the Aegean.
I anticipate the EU, Washington/NATO/IMF, will do everything in their power to make life very difficult for Tsipras over the coming weeks/months. They will be aiming for him to fail.
When you fix interests at a rate of 2.4% (lower than Germany) you should not wonder that the next step is unelecting debts with a simple cross.
It's the logical consequence of a totally absurd money police - the evidence for a banana currency.
Their (even more) socialistic economic policies will make the situation worse in Greece, but I'm pleased because this may start the ball rolling on the dissolution of the EU.
"Their (even more) socialistic economic policies will make the situation worse in Greece"
Exactly. When socialism fails, its advocates always vote for moar (!)
It won't be long before the Greek drama becomes a Greek crises.
Mario must be feeling like a lobster in the boiling pot
The Greeks have their own Union now
Fcuk the EU
If Syriza won, it's probably that some people let them won. Disappearance of EU as a strong entity is not a bad thing for the US neither.
Hey Hedgies... this is the best take on the situation...
http://www.gregpalast.com/trojan-hearse-greek-elections-and-the-euro-lep...
Oh, I forgot, there's a favorable tangential reference of Krugman in the article so it must be condemned by ZHers. Of course, ZHers are probably unaware that Krugman has been a Euro sceptic for some time now.
An excerpt-
Alexis Tsipras, the leader of Syriza, would like to pretend that austerity and the euro are two different things, that you can marry the pretty girl but not invite her ugly sister to the wedding. Apparently, the Syriza chief is blissfully ignorant of the history of the euro. The horror of austerity is not the consequence of Greek profligacy: it was designed into the euro’s plan from the beginning.
This was explained to me by the father of the euro himself, economist Robert Mundell of Columbia University. (I studied economics with Mundell’s buddy, Milton Friedman.) Mundell not only invented the euro, he also fathered the misery-making policies of Thatcher and Reagan, known as “supply-side economics” – or, as George Bush Sr. called it, “voodoo economics.” Supply-side voodoo is the long-discredited belief that if a nation demolishes the power of unions, cuts business taxes, eliminates government regulation and public ownership of utilities, economic prosperity will follow.
The euro is simply the other side of the supply-side coin. As Mundell explained it, the euro is the way in which congresses and parliaments can be stripped of all power over monetary and fiscal policy. Bothersome democracy is removed from the economic system. “Without fiscal policy,” Mundell told me, “the only way nations can keep jobs is by the competitive reduction of rules on business.”
Greece, to survive in a euro economy, can only revive employment by reducing wages. Indeed, the recent tiny reduction in unemployment is the sign that Greeks are slowly accepting a permanent future of low wages serving piña coladas to Germans on holiday cruises.
As Palast has stated in the article - Greece has been "Goldman Sacked"
If Syriza manages to pull off any positive changes in the next month or so, Spain will follow on later this year with a land slide victory for Podemos (@Spain's upcoming elections). Italy next, Portugal, France (The French are leftists @ Heart)... you get the picture.
This is going to be fun... The southern Med States ganging up against the northerners.
If this is for real five things must happen.
1. drop euro, return to drahma.
2. default on bonds, pay 1% of nominal.
3. drop sanctions against Russia.
4. kick out banksters
5. prepare for war.
The NATO bombs will fall or their own military takes over. Return to 1974, military coupe that happened exactly for the same reason. To prevent communists from taking over.
Otherwise it is just another psych-op.
The west is stuck. It'll cost money to bail out Greece, it'll cost more money to support a military take over. It'll be a bigger mess and may cost even more if Greece turn into another Ukraine.
Syriza leader Tsipras rejects the legitimacy of Ukrainian government.
Interesting... is this the first step for Greece to turn its back on the EU and look eastwards to the Eurasian Union?
"I like the way he said, Greece was one of the countries in 1953 that agreed to write off Germany's debts and helped to create the German economic wonder."
Now let's see if the pedophiles in the BrUSs€l$ politburo don't waken the junta Generals (1967-1974) who turned Greece into a fascist nightmare. Because we all know that the Washing town thugocracy will do whatever it takes to save the €urodollah!
Marx’s class struggle plays out.
1920s - high inequality, high banker pay (bourgeoisie in the ascendancy)
1970s – low inequality, worker and union power (proletariat in the ascendancy)
2000s - high inequality, high banker pay (bourgeoisie in the ascendancy)
The mechanism for the swing away from the bourgeoisie seems to be the same again.
Wall Street Crash (1929 / 2008)
Global recession (1930s / 2010s)
When you pay bankers too much they get delusional and think they are "Masters of the Universe".
Samaras said exactly the same things about re-negotiation before he became PM...we all saw how that worked out.