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Tsipras Addresses Greece, Says Bailout Agreements, "Troika Era" Are Over
The first public address of Greece's new leaders, Alexis Tsipras has begun. The key highlights of his speech so far:
- TSIPRAS SAYS GREEK PEOPLE HAVE WRITTEN HISTORY
- TSIPRAS SAYS GREECE IS TURNING PAGE, LEAVING AUSTERITY BEHIND
- TSIPRAS SAYS BAILOUT AGREEMENTS HAVE ENDED FOR GREECE
- TSIPRAS SAYS TROIKA ERA IS OVER FOR GREECE
- TSIPRAS SAYS SYRIZA GOVT READY TO NEGOTIATE, COOPERATE ON DEBT
- TSIPRAS SAYS OLIGARCHS, ELITES IN GREECE HAVE BEEN DEFEATED
- TSIPRAS SAYS SYRIZA VICTORY IS VICTORY FOR PEOPLES OF EUROPE
Europe will not be pleased.
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dude, avoid hot tubs, nail guns, etc..
And convertibles! (JFK 2.0)
And late-model Mercedes (Michael Hastings 2.0)
I am so fucking happy right now. I feel this could the the turning point for all this bullshit we've been forced to swallow since 08.
Print the Drachma! Print!
Print the Drachma to fund jobs, production, and R&D, reclaim your glory Greeks!
Join the Customs Union with Russia, exit from the EU.
whatever the plan is it will take place ... vote or no vote
the plan is much much bigger ... it involves Europe and the future
talk is cheap
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RIPS
We're all Syriza now!
If we can't get rid of the fucknuts running the joint we are all gong to be Greeks one day...
The speech of freedom
Shit always happens by the end . . .
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/pandemics/2012/12/napoleon_march_to_russia_in_1812_typhus_spread_by_lice_was_more_powerful.html
hope these commie syriza fucks do something right....but I highly doubt it. Just more scumbags that will fuck shit up and loot the place.
However...Greece does have natural resources and if they make it work for them then they could crawl out of their hole eventually if they do this right.
Greece Is Not Poor – It Actually Has Massive Uptapped Reserves Of Gold, Oil And Natural Gashttp://www.infowars.com/greece-is-not-poor-it-actually-has-massive-uptapped-reserves-of-gold-oil-and-natural-gas/
It turns out that the poster child for the European debt crisis is not actually poor at all. In fact, the truth is that the nation of Greece is sitting on absolutely massive untapped reserves of gold, oil and natural gas. If the Greeks were to fully exploit the natural resources that are literally right under their feet, they would no longer have any debt problems. Fortunately, this recent economic crisis has spurred them to action and it is now being projected that Greece will be the number one gold producer in Europe by 2016.
They will even have more energy once the South Stream pipeline gets diverted just a tad further south.
I'm sure that most (least of all I) don't have a personal vendetta against the Greek people. On the contrary, it would be fantastic to see them progress and prosper. However, the path that they have been on for the past 35-40 years was simply not sustainable. Finding large deposits of gold or oil would only serve as more booze for the drunk. I oppose their irresponsible behavior just as I oppose America's printing simply because of holding the reserve currency.
If large amounts of gold had been discovered and sold, they would have simply continued the party until it ran out. Even if we assume that the oil deposits could supply Europe for the next 30 years, that too would have been viewed as nothing more than an excuse to continue the party. This is wrong. It catches up to everyone and everything eventually. Instead, a responsible leader and people would be thankful for the riches they have inherited and rely on them sparingly until future discoveries and technology could fill the gap of consumption.
I am not specifically aware of the gold production you are eluding to but I hope that the recent collapse has taught them restraint and responsibility.
Utter Bullshit...Greece won't leave the EU and the Euro will keep running in that failed state. It is a fact that the masses are brute and ignorant; they are extremely gullible and unable to think for themselves (trained not to think critically).
On the other hand they drink way more alcohol than the euro-average... are possessed by unrealist expectations... do not listen to voices of reason and like to break and burn stuff.
So it's a 50/50 proposition...
Hopefully these bastards that just got elected actually create some real problems for the central planners like they promised.
Remeber Hollande in France was supposedly all radical ? He was a US lapdog in a matter of hours after the elction.
Hey Comte de Saint Mon Cul, you don´t get any of it.
They will try to negotiate, but the position are so far appart that it will break. Germany can not allow Greece to run gov spending in Greece, and the message of anti-austerity is very clear.
The position are very far appart, the chance that the two sides find a comprise are very small...
But first change your EURO's, even Dollars might be better.
You guys do realize that All they will do is grow govt, initiate new confiscatory taxes on what few successful businesses are left in Greece, and IF they do leave the euro, print like crazy until they hyperinflate themselves into oblivion. Their corrupt beaurocracies will grow, promising more shit they will never deliver and more unfunded liabilities until they collapse, which will leave them begging for aid again. Don't get me wrong, this can still be a good thing in the long run, hopefully this brings about the end of the euro, ECB and EU and frees the people of Europe. Default on their bonds and break those EU TBTF banks in the process. But these dipshits are not going to fix Greece. All they are saying is more govt, when the already bloated govt they have is insolvent with no hope to grow out of it.
This!
No.
What we are hoping for with these commies is that they will tell the IMF to go FFF a kite like Iceland did. Hopefully they can destabalize the whole system somehow and set off the dollar bomb.
I wouldn't expect anything from Syriza, which i think is the best sentiment to go with for this election.
If anything actually changes in Greece and Europe it will then be a very welcome surprise.
you laugh, but i agree with you because this would lead to world war 3. it would be a helluva time, especially for us americans.
I want to feel happy about it but yet pulling for another socialist party just doesn't sit well with me.
They aren't offering anything new, that's for sure. I'm just happy about it because if they actually implement these policies, they can break the back of all those TBTF banks that bought Greek debt under the assumption that taxpayers in the rest of Europe would be forced to give Greece the money to pay them their interest on their bonds. This could cause the EU, ECB to break up , which is a great thing for the people of Europe. Obviously the Greek socialist party isn't saying this , but I think they will accidentally bring it about on their attempts to defy centuries of history that says these policies never work. Hey, one can hope.
Chosenites hate Socialist's because they can't steal from them...
Thats what I hope to see is something positive out of the situation. I am all for hope and not that kind of hope offered by the fudge brownie in office.
and our hope of escape from western banksters and the mic seem to ride on russia and china these dayz.
how shit changes.
we should let go of our conditioned responses to "-isms," it seems to me.
they're more stupid than religions.
these greeks are not trotskyites. and these days "socialism" is little more than a fear conditioned by the neo-liberal psychopaths.
socialism has nothing to do with wtf is really going on.
I think there is numerous ism's going on in the world today and none seem to be any good for the people of this planet.
I wouldn't place my bets on Russia and China either. If they would take over you think those assholes would welcome the good ole boys of the USA with open arms.....shitttttttttttt. We will be at war with them. Our best bet beating the MIC and FED is your neighbor. It is not working out for us either.
true that, as well. god help us all.
agree and we will need all the help we can get.
I'm not a fan of government at all.
Just hoping Greece is the first domino.
Nothing will change without a total collapse if the current financial farce.
I doubt it will be much fun, when it happens, but it has to happen.
Even then, change for the better isn't even close to guaranteed.
Prepare accordingly.
Thats how I feel about the situation. Nothing about the reset will be euphoric. It will be horrible but is needed. This is what happens when the can is kicked down the road over and over again.
nothing will change, greece needs goods, etc, and in this moment they are hostage from the europe, that conveniently has taken their industry, i'm pro europe, but europe in this moment is france and germany, that they live with the resources of the other countries, the problem is that other Big players Like USA / Russia /China /India/Brazil, are now struggling for resources, and europe once again is a good place to create instability.
Is there anything that he doesn`t have to avoid?
Hairy Hildabeasts a la Vince Foster or the Nisman-Kirchner variety.
And Porsches (Paul Walker).
A drunk drivers behind the wheel of a snow plow.
Avoid Planes too
Especially Malaysian planes.
Oh shit. I'm flying to Johor soon. Only two airlines service that airport: Malaysia Air and Air Asia. Should i be nervous?
you got a 50% chance, it's hit or miss
good luck lol
If I were you, I wouldn't be nervous.
I'd be scared shitless!
I will, however, wish you the best of luck.
and transistor radio gift right b/f takeoff.
or cuckoo clock gift....
And any food you didn't (go to a grocery store at random) and yourself purchase raw ingredients to make from.
If this guy is forreals, he will need the help of every Greek to defend the journey of resistance.
He has a plan, unlike the previous government but I doubt it will work because the EU mafia will make sure it doesn't work.
ISIL sounds like a Greek word to me.
"Europe" never really existed, except in the wet dreams of some Brussels parasites.
Good riddance.
Herman Von Rompuy is a great example of a human parasite.
May he die a long and painful death for the pain and misery he has caused.
As a Belgian, I absolutely agree. Most Belgians are idiots though.
+1 From a fellow Belgian. But --> (Most) All Belgian politicians are idiots though.
Not to mention our media. Am I the only one who sees how unobjective they are? It sure feels like I am.
Hmm, Europeans don't watch television, they measure it! :>D
There are old Greek presidents and bold Greek presidents but no old, bold Greek presidents.
Good luck to you sir.
...hookers, coke, etc.
Well well well. Now the ECB is there to drive down yields in Spain, Portugal, Ireland, France and Italy. Will QE at 60 billion/month be enough?
If I were Putin, I'd fly over to Greece and start making energy and food deals post haste.
Nothing will be enough so expect a hard stance against Greece. If a deal is cut everybody else will want the same deal and right now the EU is floating on an ocean of shit in a leaky boat.
floating in an ocean of shit in a leaky boat...
You sir, are a wordsmith. Up vote x 20
I'm a Texan, its genetic.... :-)
And who is drilling holes in the bottom of the boat?
Putin is already routing gas and oil via Turkey to Greece to supply EU
Greeks in control of EU energy supply - what an irony
Funny how nature do that.
Tall buildings with strangly open windows.
“The secret of change is to focus all of your energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the new.” — Socrates
Hip hip harrah....Finally Greeks elect someone with a pair
Sorry for the down vote - hit the wrong button.
Thanks Ken...FYI..You can change your votes on ZH by going back and hitting the button you intended to.
Thanks Zorba. Didn't know that.
you been here 4yrs and you dint know that?
Not too shabby?
Sorry Ken for the upvote.
Ken,
You can change your vote. But only you can do it. Just make sure you are signed in.
You don't really expect us to believe that, do you? That's what the London Whale said when he damn near wrecked the planet.
Holy shit! Either Tsipras has balls of steel and a date with a nail gun, or he's going to crumble and suck banker/EU/Zionist cock.
If anything happens to him....well the greeks have a history of bomb throwing anarchy.....
So sellout it is.
The real question is - will he enjoy it or merely put up with it. Or will he like it by the time it's over.
Let's see how fast those little worms in Frankfurt cave*
*"....I saw my enemies at Munich. They are little worms."
Bring on the dystopian Unicorns!
Will Catalonia try there hand again at freedom NOW ? They may want to, then regroup before the European unwind.
"TSIPRAS SAYS SYRIZA VICTORY IS VICTORY FOR PEOPLES OF EUROPE."
There's the key statement right there.
Back to Drachma's, Deutschmarks, and nationalism we go!
Bye-bye EU and the bankster Unicorn and shit brown rainbow you rode in on!
Not quite so fast
The Eurocrats are going to be livid about any Grexit since once that particularly tasty cornchip of freedom has been tasted it won't be long before the entire Eurobag will be gone.
Ergo...
Greece MUST now become the Jesus country... to be crucified to the max in the exit negotiations to make sure that NO OTHERS WILL FOLLOW so the Eurodream can live on.
To make things worse... the Noodlemen believe it has been supporting the same Islamic terrorists and Afghani druglords that we were supporting before we stopped whenever that was.
Yes - that's the problem. Greece still has to form a government, replace the old cronies with the new cronies. Meanwhile they're going to have a really, really tough time borrowing money. It's going to get truly ugly. If Russia loans the money - which seems quite possible - the EUR is dust in the wind.
I expect a surprise. I don't think Spain, or particularly Italy - want to change currencies via election. I think they'll want to do it clean, over a weekend with the same government in power before and after. Otherwise borrowing costs explode or one becomes beholden to Russia or China. If I'm right - the EUR will be done before 2015 is over.
In 4 years Greece will run out of food and electricity.
Tsipras will go to Caracas to ask for help from Maduro
(or Tsipras folds and he will fold because there is no other choice)
Or Greece blows up the whole system and your bullshit wet dreams get sent packing for another century.
Your posts are getting stranger and stranger ekm1.
Syriza = Coalition of the Radical Left
Their actual name
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_Radical_Left
Lots of closet marxists here, ekm. Probably some Lizzie Warren campaign workers.
Yeah, that's it. Not his nonsensical geopolitical ramblings that few here can comprehend.
Personally, I don't find a lot of merit with some of his theories, and that's why I ask him questions to clarify what he is trying to say.
...and honestly where do you see the EU and Euro in 4 years ???? maybe in prosperity land /sarc
EU was created by Pentagon as offshoot of marshall plan so europeans don't start another war
Euro is a left wing wet dream becoming reality after soviet union collapsed.
Euro dies.
EU lives
European QE is the death blow to euro. Eurozone central banks REJECTED that ECB buys all the bonds. only 8%.
ECB is dead practically
+100 agreed
Utter Bullshit...Greece won't leave the EU and the Euro will keep running in that failed state. It is a fact that the masses are brute and ignorant; they are extremely gullible and unable to think for themselves (trained not to think critically).
Who said that greece leaves EU?
Greece has balanced budget (when not paying back borrowed money) so they will do ok
Yes. If the budget of a family is to eat only once a day and the goal is achieved, then the budget is balanced.
Agree
"Yes. If the budget of a family is to eat only once a day and the goal is achieved, then the budget is balanced.
Agree "
Ok, ekm1: WHO supplies free energy and food to Greece, then?
Notice I did not say 'who loans them money.'
IF there is to be no transfer union of endless goods being distributed from those that have those goods/foodstuffs: where do the resources come from?
i have no answer
Do they have a majority in the Parliment?
Based upon preliminary results they will have a majority, and certainly if allied with other anti-EU parties.
Lol. SYRIZA is NOT anti-EU party. Neither are it's potentional coalition partners. I suggest you go read up on their immigration policy, that will make your jaw drop.
http://www.syriza.gr/article/id/53894/The-political-resolution-of-the-1s...
LOOOOL. Global warming believers - check. LGBT supporters - check (gay marriage included of course). Anti-religious nutbags - check. Immigrant and asylum seekers friendly -check. Just the right party for the Putin cocksuckers here!
Good luck saving your country from the Euro bankers intent on sucking every bit of wealth from your country to support their failing system!
You are likely on some assassin's list...
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You didn't get the MEMO, it's been 6 years now!!!!
I bet he hires relatives to make sure his proclamations get carried out.
A bunch of empty bs, here are his positions when he is not campaigning:
Ebworthen should read this. Tsipras and SYRIZA are absolutely NOT anti-EU.
He's right about Nationalizing the Banking System
Haven't you yet figured out how politicians (ex: oblabla) will tell nothing but BALD-FACED LIES in order to get elected? Just the fact that his promises do not make sense (ex: staying in the EU while refusing the banksters' austerity - HOW THE FUCK WILL HE ACCOMPLISH THAT???) - that alone should be all you need to know to confirm that this latest show of 'democracy' from Greece is nothing but more smoke and mirrors from the professional liars.
Wake up. Real change comes when we stop trying to delegate all our responsibilities to slick con-men.
Hewlett Packard shares will soar, they're gonna have to build new factories so Greece can print all that paper they'll need - remember to save ink by printing on one side only OK, so you can print double the number of zero's.
So who's next, Italy I think, they need to get the hell out while they still have a working factory left in the country
Hewlett Packard shares will soar, they're gonna have to build new factories so Greece can print all that paper they'll need - remember to save ink by printing on one side only OK, so you can print double the number of zero's.
So who's next, Italy I think, they need to get the hell out while they still have a working factory left in the country
So this second post is kind of performance art on HP and your point, printing...
Oh crap... tomorrow will be carnage for stocks...
let’s hope the US markets go the other way
Get that man some protection. Call Vlad.
Is there a TP and Tampon ETF? Maybe time to diversify the portfolio a bit.
Paper paper?
Greece will have a a massive gas pipline for south Europe & ports for China & Russia, LEVERAGE
the irony, it burns
The IT Crowd - Episode 2: Greatest Man In The World
Have a good laugh!
The guy says publicly he is pro EU pro NATO etc, but that's not exactly how his past reads. More the opposite in fact.
Politicians have been known to say anything to get elected.
Kaboom. Euro done
The Euro was already toast. This just made it faster.
CRAZY TALK!
Leaving austerity behind and embracing a free lunch complements of the Deutch citizens of Moronica. Soon followed by financial implosion and severe poverty.
I wonder how much further the citizens of Deutchland will go with funding Greece.
Hey, wasn't the LAST party a reform party?
Cue Roger Daltrey.
Deja vu...we won't get fooled yet again. +10 for The Who reference from the days of my youth when, in my youthful ignorance, none of this stuff even mattered, . Parents didn't see it that way...crankin Baba O'Riley...enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtHshBWFRyg
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (at 7:44)
No, Europe won't be pleased. So what?
Why should we pay attention to what pleases Europe? Give me one reason.
Break out the Ouzo and start smashing plates! Oopa!
Maybe not all politicians are corrupt, maybe not all Greeks are corrupt, and maybe not all socialists are corrupt, but an honest Greek socialist politician? - no chance.
Debt Jubilee! Let's turn debt back into THIN AIR! Fuck the banks and bankers, they create money out of thin air...we're just returning our debt back to thin air....
I want my country (Portugal) to quit the EZ and adopt the Drachma!!!!!
far rich vs center poor
If Tsipras meant a single word of that, Brussels would have seen to it that Tsipras cool his heels in prison with the patriots of Golden Dawn. Nobody, but nobody rules in Europe without Brussels' consent, with the exception of Putin---and Putin is in power because he has no debt and enough nukes to make a bloody mess of the Fourth Reich at his convenience.
Maybe if Greece had nukes pointed at Brussels, Berlin and Frankfurt the troika might be persuaded to cut a deal not involving the continued Romanianization of Greece. As it is, any government in Athens daft enough to stand up for the Greek people against Brussels will see Athens bombed as flat as Belgrade. Nagahappen.
Do you think the common Greek understood the loans that were approved and used. Most Americans have NO idea how much they are on the hook for and dont have a clue about who did it. So are they to blame? So is Brussels gonna bomb a population of people where most just tried to get a job and live? Is China gonna bomb the US because we cannot back our Treasuries? The politiicians are accountable. Most people just hope to have a job and raise a family and do not get involved with Govt policy.
Making Greece and all Greeks accountable would be like saying every Nazi soldier is accountable for Hitler's orders. Best the Creditors can do is charge previous administrations with Fraud and sentence them. Why do you think George Bush just had a law passed making his Administration legally untouchable.
Ordinary people aren't really on the hook for government debt.
Only the guys who signed up for it.
Trouble is, as with most goverment tricks, few know this.
See 'Odious Debt' - In international law, odious debt, also known as illegitimate debt, is a legal theory that holds that the national debt incurred by a regime for purposes that do not serve the best interests of the nation, should not be enforceable. Such debts are, thus, considered by this doctrine to be personal debts of the regime that incurred them and not debts of the state. In some respects, the concept is analogous to the invalidity of contracts signed under coercion.
Ask the Serbs or the Russians of the Ukraine what the scumbags in Europe do to people who tell the EU to stuff it.
Collective punishment is alive and well, trust me. Don't think the PTB wouldn't dare.
Who exactly is going to do the bombing of Athens? Are you suggesting the US will take it on, as it has done in Libya and Syria.
While France and the UK were hot to bomb Libya, they mainly had to rely on the US to do it.
Even the American populace might start to wonder if the US bombs parts of western Europe.
Will someone explain to me where these socialists think they are going to find the money to "end austerity"? It was their bloated public sector that landed them in this mess in the first place. Okay, so they restructure their debt or even default, who is going to loan them money to start spoending on social giveaway programs? Seriously deluded. It would seem the only course is to leave the Euro and print a gazillion drachmas, which will lead to hyperinflation but they can dole them out to all their voters.
Greece is screwed no matter what, but this will be fun to watch.
Funny how it wasn't that bad in Greece prior to their dancing with the Vampire Squids.
No doubt, but they did and rode the wave until it crashed onshore. Socialism won't fix that, in fact, socialism/big government/big bank/fascism, whatever.
You think there's a trend? lolz
US has quite a large public sector and social welfare program also that we cannot afford.
Yup if only the US could get Northrop Grumman, GE, General Dynamics, Lockheed, etc. off the public dole things would be much improved.