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Aircraft Carrier Stennis Has Biggest Ordnance Onload Since 2010
Nearly two weeks ago, we were surprised to read on the Navy's website that one of America's prize aircraft carriers, CVN-74, John C. Stennis (whose crew is perhaps best known for the following awkward incident), as part of an operational training period in preparation for future deployments, just underwent not only its first ordnance onload since 2010, but, according to Senior Chief Aviation Ordnanceman Jason Engleman, G-5 division's leading chief petty officer, "the biggest ordnance onload we've seen."
From the Stennis' blog:
USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) visited Naval Magazine (NAVMAG) Indian Island, the Navy’s primary ordnance storage and handling station on the West Coast, to onload six million pounds of ammunition, Jan. 13-15. “This is the biggest ordnance onload we’ve seen,” said Senior Chief Aviation Ordnanceman Jason Engleman, G-5 division’s leading chief petty officer. “We haven’t had an onload since December 2010, and we are ready to show what this warship can do.”
The ship plans to take on two-thirds of its weight capacity during the three day evolution. Bombs, missiles and rounds will be onloaded by 1,400 crane lifts.
“The importance of the Indian Island visit is to provide ammunition for the ship’s defense, and assist with training during this underway,” said Lt. Cmdr. Steve Kashuba, Stennis’ ordnance handler officer.
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The ordnance onload was an all-hands evolution and included Sailors from AIMD, air, navigation, safety, security, supply and medical departments. Sailors served as watchstanders, safety observers or ordnance handlers to ensure the evolution ran smoothly.
Why engage in such a major weapon loading process now? We don't know, and we certainly won't until the next deployment of the carrier, currently located in San Diego to receive aircraft and another 2000 sailors, is announced but it does seem coincidental that the same aircraft carrier which the Iranian General Ataollah Salehi warned back in Janiary 2012 "not to return to the Persian Gulf" was being loaded to the gills with weapons ahead of the following three major macro events: i) the sudden and unexpected fall of the US-supported Yemen government; ii) the biggest re-escalation in the Ukraine civil war since the spring of 2014, and iii) the death of the King Abdullah. And who knows what other "unexpected" geopolitical events are about to surprise the world?
While we wait the answer, here are some photos of how the Stennis is loading up with six million pounds of ammo:
Aviation Ordnanceman Airman Joshua Haynes, from Nashville, Tenn., and Aviation Ordnanceman 3rd Class Joseph Dina, from Naperville, Ill., move BLU-111 500-pound bombs during an ammunition on-load aboard Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74).
Aviation Ordnanceman 1st Class Donald Theriot, from New Orleans, verifies ordnance placement during an ammunition on-load aboard Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74).
Aviation Ordnanceman 2nd Class Matthew Warren takes inventory of BLU-111 500-pound bombs.
Aviation Ordnanceman Mariko Armstrong, from Denver, takes inventory of BLU-111 500-pound bombs.
Aviation Ordnanceman 1st Class David Mele, from San Diego, directs movement of BLU-117 2000-pound bombs.
Sailors prepare to move BLU-117 2000-pound bombs
CBU-99 cluster bombs are staged during an ammunition on-load aboard Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74)
BLU-111 500-pound bombs are staged during an ammunition on-load aboard Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74).
Aviation Ordnanceman David Black, from Helena, Ala., Aviation Ordnanceman 3rd Class Dillon Simmons, from Lewistown, Mont., and Aviation Ordnanceman 2nd Class Martin Pena, from Bronx, N.Y., prepare to move AGM-88 missiles
Aviation Orndnaceman 3rd Class Garrison Gardner, from Chandler, Ariz., and Aviation Ordnanceman 2nd Class Steven Paxton from Brian, Ohio, prepare to lower a mine kit
Aviation Ordnanceman 3rd Class Dillon Simmons, from Lewistown, Mont., and Aviation Ordnanceman 2nd Class Martin Pena, from Bronx, N.Y., guide AGM-88 missiles as they are lowered
Source: CVN-74
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I'll repeat what I said earlier because of the number of ships and men being moved into the region:
With the Death of the Saudi King, a US Invasion of Yemen is only Weeks AwayOccupy Crimea
I love the word ordnance. How often do you get to put an N directly after a D in english?
Peace Missiles
Adnexa. Learned a new word.
I once heard a fellow conservative complain, "The government spends money like a drunk sailor!". He was quickly corrected by a sailor who pointed out, "That is not correct. Drunk sailors stop spending when they run out of money."
Regards,
Cooter
Can be made useless with one air detonated nuke or maybe even a electronic jamming transmission. White elephant.
That's true but these things always seem to start small and end big so usa goes over and starts pissing firecrackers down resulting in us needing 10,000 K sunblock stateside.
That's why I went skiing and skipped work the last few days, live fast die young.
Sunny Bono quote, right?
Regards,
Cooter
False flag incoming?
That train always comes...blizzard would be a perfect time...maximum confusion and no witnesses.
Photos like these always make me think of the Death Star, for some reason.
It makes me think of what a fucking waste government is.
Hmm..
I hadn’t heard about that largest Australian offload until just now.
Will just make a larger black smudge on the ocean when hit with a sunburn or a mosquito.
Could be heading to Greece to put down that uprising! sarc
They are hell bent on starting another war by whatever means necessary.
...by whatever means necessary, as long as they get to use all those US mines and cluster bombs they picked up at Uncle Sam's Club on moar civilian populations.
NEVER ENOUGH AMMO!!
Any minute now Jordan Tate is gonna come poppin' out of the cake.
romney, warms the heart..funny that scene never makes it to tv reruns of under s.
Think about it for a moment. The last time it uploaded ammo was 4/5 years ago. So potentially this load could be on it for at least that long.
Can anyone come up with another potential area of risk for TPTB in say 2017/8?
Perhaps closer to home even?
Remember the Maine!!!
Cant have nice firework without breaking a few cruisemissiles.
THe best investment might be to buy what you use regularly, stock up before the price goes up because availabliity goes down. Iram has long promised to disrupt more than oil. And elites will tank us all at once. Why cash in your gold when every thing has just gone way up in price due to war disruptions. Even a pencil has a vast supply chain. Imagine all the element in your toothpaste, the products your wife uses regularly, YOU use regularly. Front page of thanksgiving wash post was homeland top guy saying "hostile countries, AND GROUPS, -wtf-, now have the power to disrupt fuel delivery, power, supply chains, govt, ect." Things are cheap now, and available. THAT, I think, is what is going to change.
More than likely one of Obama's major donors sent him a message written on Amalgamated Death Inc. letterhead complaining about faltering cash flow in the military industrial complex. There are simply not enough shards of hot metal screaming through the atmosphere to keep the chairman in Beluga caviar and teenage Thai boys.
Not wise! I hear that the greeks are now training Kamikaze pilots. /sarc
I hadn’t heard about that largest Australian offload
More ordnance than the locals could endure.
That is a lot of "peace bombs" from a nation lead by a nocowbell piece prize winning resident headed some poor brown skinned people's way because their resident dick tater was out of por favor?
MIC is smiling like a chess shire cat on the nip.
Senator Pork has taken a frying dip, he likes it too...
Take it away ordinary ordnance man
you are but a cog
in the death machine....
Is ORI having a stroke or did his account get hacked by Jar Jar Binx?
Women and kids quake around the world. ISIS is getting resupplied.
If this shit gets real, they won't even bother. They will just start blowing shit up.
Observe that as time goes on, there is less concern expended on pretending.
When the pretending stops, it's real.
Regards,
Cooter
So WW3 will look like a bad Fourth of July party gone wrong?
San Diego! How appopriate!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndVhgq1yHdA
Every time Obama and bombs get together it looks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Xv1VLF2VI
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I would be curious what more educated ZH posters have to say, but a Navy is a dated asset in many ways these days if the weapons you describe are more widely available.
This makes the key question; does the enemy have such weapons? If they don't then it is moot.
Being able to take out key ships by overwhelming conventional rocketry is also a potential issue, but a much more complicated one given offense and defense dance along as they adapt to each other.
All that said, we might be finding out both answers fairly soon if this escalates.
Regards,
Cooter
In a war game scenario in the Middle East against Iran, the US got it's ass kicked with numerous carriers taken out by current gen Russian Cruise Missles.
Remember the Falklands? Even back then ships were vulnerable to missles - and they've gotten better. Does the US actually think others can't play the 'smart ordanance' game back? Aircraft carriers are BIG targets full of flammable fuel and explosive ordanance.
The Russian Sunburn missile system is supposedly ten years ahead of anything else out there. There's already a 'Super' version out there that can fly at Mach 3.0! Very lethal, very manueverable and as mentioned extremely fast. I wonder how a carrier would handle a salvo of five or six of these things, coming at it. If I was on the deck, I'd be shifting bricks and getting some religion, really quick.
I'm responding not because I'm attempting to sound edumacated but because the topic was of interest to me as well and I did a tiny (I repeat TINY) bit of research.
I would say there is a lot of speculation and a lot of it is borderline claptrap.
This concept of hitting a large ship is not new. The Japanese did it with the Zeros and the British learned a hard lesson in the Falklands when the Exocet hit their ship and that was decades ago. The USN didn't let that incident go unnoticed.
You would have to look at a carrier group more as a war system as opposed to an individual big, flat thing floating around. There are scores of weapons capable of hitting and sinking a carrier available today. Having those weapons and being able to deploy them are two different issues though. The carrier groups have weapons as well and there is a very good chance they can strike and neutralize the enemy's weapons far before they would be in any direct danger. Distance is key as the carrier group can overcome this hurdle easily with missiles and aircraft.
The defense system operates in a tiered method and extends from launch detection all the way to CIWS which is basically a gattling gun with a radar tracking incoming threats. So, the farther the launch site is, the greater the amount of time the carrier group has to defend against this. They are now beginning to mount lasers onto the ships which track and destroy missles etc.
Carrier groups are known to keep large, upcoming nations at bay to a certain extent. And when said nations want to act macho, what do they do? They try to get a carrier, even if an old and rusted Russian one.
I haven't heard of a modern carrier being hit/sunk over the past 30-40 years. So I suppose, that too, is an indication of something. If nothing else, possible attackers fear the overall repurcussions such an act would have.
Overall, I come back to distance and force projection. The farther back a carrier can stay and project force, the greater the advantage. It is very possible it is reaching the point of diminishing returns though.
They could very well be extremely expensive boats designed to drain us for $$$. After all, the TPTB are known for such shows.
Good points and I'm familiar with the tiered defense, using frigates and destroyers, but as others mentioned, a tight spot like the Suez or any number of straits would make a carrier vulnerable, as there wouldn't be a lot of room for multiple rings of defense around the carrier.
And of ccourse, there are other threats, mentioned here, including subs, EMP and even tactical nukes. I think it's become more wide open than before. China is working on a Blue Water Navy as well. Things are getting interesting....
Actually, that was one of the questions I posed. Why would China want such a navy if they are nothing more than target practice? There's got to be a reason. So either they are just wasting money and playing the part or the navy and powerful ships actually have some pull.
Maybe they have invented the Coppertone missile that neutralizes the Sunburn and we just don't know about it :-0
Apologies for the saracasm towards the end but the overly simplistic comments about the Sunburn missile make me feel like I'm reading youtube comments.
Copertone deterrant for Sunburn...good one edo :-)
That said, Aircraft carriers are white elephants.
They used to be force projection vehicles in the old days, but today, a drone is a much scarier force projection unit than a ship-borne fighter.
A Submarine based missile likewise.
Aircraft carriers are a left-over from the days of yore and might just be getting put in harm's way (read false flagged) to rile up the Support our Troops folks back home, sad as that is to ponder for many. Doubters can search for Operation Northwoods.
This is why Total Informations Awareness, AWACS, CCCI...these are the new buzzwords for modern day war-planners. You can do much more damage by crippling a nation's banking/power infra than old fashioned bombing.
All that said, Russian war machinery is orders of magnitude betterdesigned and hardened that American. Orders of magnitude.
Ill winds for sure though....
Ponder this:
https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/history-in-the-making/
True but look at all the ordnance you can pack on that elephant. Enough to level a country conventionally. THey are a great way on intimidating countries without nuclear weapons.
You idiots above!
A naval task force can be stationed out of range of most of the threats you mooks say make a navy obsolete!
Ever hear of PEARL HARBOR you mooks!?
The carriers weren't there and later used to kick the crap out of the Japanese at Midway
DUUUUHHHHH!!!
Take it easy, tiger. Too much stress is bad for the ol' ticker.
China would probably want carriers more for force projection and support of operations, such as maintaining trade routes and delivering assistance to trade partners. Basically what warfare has been about for the last few decades after WW2 has been mostly small operations where you have small force backed up by air power against less sophisticated adversaries. ie. not "total war" where entire economies are converted towards war production and everything is a target.
Even if China had a navy 50% of US Naval capacity, so what for both sides? Though they'd be wary of one another; it doesn't mean they would go hot against each other. Despite the bravado of both sides' indoctrination of we're stronger and better than they are too much would be at stake including the risk of an open declaration of war. They'd just go about their business operating within their spheres of influence.
My guess is if a carrier killer cruise missile is used then everybody would probably be worried. Using something like that to attack the symbol of power would be too risky during the usual small scale grinding proxy wars where small state players don't normally have these capabilities. A carrier killer fired would likely be instantly identified and the country of origin then held liable. Unless you're ready to go hot, toe to toe, then you wouldn't deploy carrier killers (or any other "game changer" type of force). Proxy handlers would likely not allow their thralls to use or even hint at having/deploying them until it fits their overall plans.
edotabin and jonjon831983, thanks for your comments.
No one really knows except the admirals I suppose, but things are going to get dicey for a while and I think it is a good mental exercise to walk through the scenarios and understand implications before they hit the MSM.
Regards,
Cooter
"Why would China want such a navy if they are nothing more than target practice? "
Piracy. A lot of China's shipping passes through the Malacca strait:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_the_Strait_of_Malacca
If I recall correctly during one of the Gulf Wars a missile would have probably hit a US carrier. Howver, a missile from a UK ship intercepted it. But that was a subsonic missile.
Also your scenario is ideal out in the wide open ocean. But what about close inshore. For example, ike the Strait of Hormuz which is not very wide and shallow in places. Also the coastline on the Iranian side is very rugged.
"I haven't heard of a modern carrier being hit/sunk over the past 30-40 years."
Wow, what an argument.
I read that last year a chinese sub showed up inside that inimpregnable curtain.
Wasn´t heard coming and wasn´t heard going.
In the Falklands War we didn't lose a carrier because the Exocet fooled by chaff on carrier protecting frigates, homed onto a bigger radar target, Atlantic Conveyor, which had no such protection and which was an almost equally catastrophic ship to lose (many of the 14 Harriers and 11 helicopters on board were lost).
OK so lessons were learnt and ship defence is much better, especially close in, but so to have the incoming threats. A 'flock' of incoming Mach 2/3 or even Mach 4 missiles is a very real problem.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/shkval.htm
No defence against this baby.
One of these missiles can sink or disable any ship. It will not be apparent who launched it. They can be launched from land, a ship, a small fast boat, a submarine, an airplane, a garbage scow, or a container ship. Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and who-knows-who-else have them.
The Navy is just target paractice if a shooting war breaks out.
Truk Lagoon
Read a number of articles but I am yet to be convinced that a Mach2.5+ (1,900mph) (average bullet, say 1.700mph) missile that does not fly in a straight line can be taken out. Perhaps one in idea conditions. What about a salvo of these missiles fired from close range or coming out of a 'cluttered' background?
Could anyhing going Mach 2.5+ be very maneuverable? I don't think so.
Totally agree. Snipers have this problem. They spend all the time in school training to figure out how to get that fucking bullet to polka so they can fucking hit something!
Regards,
Cooter
Without a squishy pilot onboard, missiles can pull hellacious g's. Basically, the Navy has the Phalanx anti-missile defense system, and that's about it. Either it can handle a Mach 2.5+ threat, or it can't (when your cannon shells are moving slower than the missile, my guess is that it can't).
Aircraft carriers are BIG targets full of flammable fuel and explosive ordanance.
And people, how easily you forget the people......Or may be that's exactly what they're looking for: a fireball big enough to be seen across the oceans..so they have a casus belli
You do not need asset equivalence and to build $2Billion destroyers to take out other destroyers. Nor do you need to build $200m jets to take out other jets. Other advanced technologies such as radars, high speed missiles and jamming will do the job for a fraction of the cost. The head of one of the Russian research institutes commented along the lines that the more complex an electronic system the easier it is to counter. As for navy ships - there are targets and there are submarines.
What is the US doing - building less but more complex and highly expensive platforms.
Honestly, that is my worry from the US side; over-investing in highly complicated but falliable weapons platforms at sea. Would be a pisser if some low cost radio shack shit evened things out and subs did the mob up. Subs, which are the new carriers, are where it is at, but only because you can't find em and they can nuke the shit out of anything in very short time. All the other shit is cash flow sinks for the MIC.
They should make subs for tall people so us viking/norman desendants can play ball too ... albeit I am too old. I always wished I signed up for subs instead of Army...
Regards,
Cooter
Concur with the comment.....subs are the Ace which ultimately back up everything else in the military pantry of goodies. Carriers are cool, but easily several times more vulnerable to enemy action than a boomer gliding quietly through the depths, with enough firepower to level countries. Range is the key, so yes in the open carriers are practically untouchable (except for the aforementioned subs). But force these carrier groups into relatively confined straits or passes, and its like the proverbial soviet tank platoon navigating a narrow pass in afghan territory during the 1980s. Ship defense missiles and Phalanx gun system could easily take out a couple of enemy anti-ship missiles. But 10 missiles fired simultaneously? What if these have small yield tactical nuke warheads? Eight incoming get taken out.....that leaves two.
Oh man, you WANTED sub duty? I've known a few sub guys in my time. Special sorta folks, they are. :-P
When the Navy recruiter said the words "several months at sea".....my then 18-year old brain was like.....3 months with no pussy? Ummm....yeah, please direct me to the Air Force recruiter, thank you.
This is an important comment. Carriers are totally out of place in tight quarters like the Persian Gulf. If our military leaders don't know that then there is something terribly wrong.
The only reason they haven't been attacked there is because Iran knows if they start a shooting war they will be wiped out. They saw what happened to Sadaam right next door. Russia is not stupid enough to give their latest weapons to militia groups or unstable countries like Yemen. Only the CIA is that careless.
Offshore is safe from camel attack.
Once you start bringing out the nukes, everything is a white elephant.
or a Purple Swan
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
I think US 'network centric warfare' may be an Achilles Heal.
Hmmmm.
This sounds bogus.
That's only true if you attack an adversary who has the means to fight back.
Not a strong suit for the Amurican military.
Adnoid.
Candygram
Yes, a Kinetic Show of Peace....
The Navy. Where protecting the Petrodollar is not just job. It's an adventure.
Ahhhh, yes. It's also now been propagandized with the motto: "A GLOBAL Force For Good."
Weird......last time I checked the offical seal it said 'UNITED STATES Navy'.......not 'UNITED GLOBAL Navy'
So by admission our Navy is now tasked with serving 'global' interests.....now one wonders, for WHOSE particular 'good' is it projecting force?
Rhetorical, or course.....most ZH folks know whose interests our sailors are truly protecting.
"G-5 division's leading chief petty officer, "the biggest ordnance onload we've seen."
A CPO dishes the poop?
WTF
What happened to "Loose lips sink ships????
Madness
Martial, madness only begins to describe it. My Senior Thesis was on the Dhofar Rebellion and if anyone thinks Oman and Yemen are easy, they need to brush up on history. This could be Obama's Afghanistan mistake if he pursues this into the mountains of Yeman and Southern Saudi Arabia. The Saudis lost 133 men during a 1 month battle in 2010 and the US is ill prepared for a major conflict due to the lack of public trust in both Dems and Repubs now.
+1 for the Bridge on the River Kwai reference
Go for it, USA. Go for it. Boots on the ground. Lay down the law.
Every 10 years or so, Amurica really does "need to take some small country, and throw it against the wall, just so the world knows we mean business," as per one of those National Review neocon asshole rat-fuckers.
One of these days, the USA is going to get one hell of a surprise....
soon to be USS Tonkin
It's the internet, there's an app for that.
http://www.morewords.com/pair/dn/
I knew there were likely others even without a Google search. I just think it's more fun to try to do it without the "crutch" of the internet helping out. Ever play online Scrabble using the internet Scrabble cheat programs? BORING.
I just wish there was an app for the under-30 crowd so they knew the difference between their, they're and there. I think I'd settle for them just getting that right.
Scrabble was a lot of fun back in the days when you had to, you know, do it yourself.
+ 10 on the app idea. Bad grammar is fucking irritating.
Especially twice, when its in your title and last name!
Aviation Orndnaceman 3rd Class Garrison Gardner
LOL. nice.
NoDebt
How often do you get to put an N directly after a D in english?
627 listed alphabetically
http://www.morewords.com/contains/dn/
we ordnancized some folks
628 now
Surely it must be an American construction. The mother tongue wouldn't be so ugly.
change your name to Dnebt
Aircraft carrier cannot hold the Crimea. Aircraft carriers will be destroyed in the Black Sea a few minutes after the first shot or departure aviation.
Aircraft carriers - is a weapon against weak countries and savages. For a country like Russia, any aircraft carrier, it's just a big target that has no chance of escape.
Already been done by the other bad guys.
i think we should keep an eye on the military industrial complex so it doesn't become too big,
drag us into war and bankrupt the treasury. oh wait that already went down in the 60s 70s 80s 90s and 2010?
the republic is dead. we are fucked the bankers have won.
"There is a vision to remake the world's economy according to the neo-liberal agenda, and to rule it with an 'iron rod' wielded by the US. It would be under the control, described as benevolent guidance, of an oligarchy of the self-proclaimed wisest and most powerful of the multinational elite. The key goal now is to subdue Russia and the Mideast, and to gain the full cooperation of China. They are attempting to implement their model of a confederation under central control in Europe." Jesse's Cafe Americain
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/
so this is good for oil right?
A one ton bomb.
Oh ...... fuck yeah.
Excellent perspective. You should check with the tylers about crossposting some of that stuff (assuming the rest of your site isn't nutty - haven't looked yet).
I will look for your thoughts on future threads.
Regards,
Cooter
"I'll repeat what I said earlier because of the number of ships and men being moved into the region: With the Death of the Saudi King, a US Invasion of Yemen is only Weeks Away"
Ooh, ah! How insightful!
China and Russia need to back the new Yemeni.gov... NOW. And station some ships in the harbor as deterrence.
Why? Obama will just fuck it up. Name ONE FUCKING THING he didn't fuck up (that he touched).
<crickets/>
They are just watching and laughing while this tool wraps the national car around a tree like a dumb teen age dipshit that knows it all.
Regards,
Cooter
That degree of firepower is focused only on defending the US Dollar.
Alternatively, it is for Israel to keep them off Obumblers back and to allow them to bomb Gaza again and again and agian.
The post forgot to mention that Iran just De-Dollarized, and that sort of thing won't be tolerated.
It is about a false-flag that is coming (In the DC US?) over Lebensraum for Israel in Syria.
The bombs are to be used in the Ukraine, Syria or both.
But then I also have some fiat riding on Venezuela.
We shall see.
The banksters need to repay us.
kc,
Why don't you just flagellate yourself into a happy state with the false flag BS instead of demonstrating the nonsense here?
Just to give you a bit of educational advancement, the US banks did repay the US treasury, with a profit to taxpayers.
If a banker was stupid enough to make a loan to you they should be demanding immediate repayment. Death by self flagellation is probably considered suicide so the credit life policies won't pay them.
Augustus,
I truy doubt there is or could be a slimier bastard than what you are on ZH. Just how did those banks repay the US treasury? WIth loans at zero interest? What a fucking ldeceiver you are.
Just keep in mind the one most important fact. The USA is the only country to drop a Nuke on anyone. It was done twice, just incase you would have thought we wouldn't do it again. Guess what?? We will do it again.
Russia is still a nation of corruption and collective individuals that would stab there own mother in the back to gain more power and influence. They will never fight as one unit. That is why they would fail in major conflict against any major power.
The last guys who thought that way ended up walking home from Stalingrad in winter.
And the French before them tried to walk back from Moscow in the winter.
Didnt' work out so well. It seems that General Winter isn't too keen on taking prisoners.
The last guys werent Americans. You can say whatever you want about our political sytem and it's leaders. But don't play with the American public. We are the last people you want to play with. The American public didnt even want to bother with the middle east and three countries were wiped out. Get the American public behind it and it's game over.
Just think of the breakdown and what the American people are made up of. If youre not bright enough to figure it out. I will give you a hint. It's your own people. The big difference is they were the ones with balls, dreams and wanted a better way of life. That's why no nation will ever stand a chance in a military battle against America.
Russia should stick with hacking and playing with the dollar. Going the military way is just plain stupid.
Oh dear! First off I didn't denegrate your intelligence, even though you're obviously barely literate. Its really a matter of supply lines, you know. I don't know what superpowers you think we have. Simply yelling USA! USA! USA! does not, in most places, constitute balls. Do we buy our ordnance from China these days? The traditional Russian tactic is to retreat before an advancing army, drawing them in deeper and deeper, and what they can't carry away with them as they retreat they destroy - crops harvested or in the field, live stock, anything the invadors can use. Scorched earth; its worked for them every time. The French found their willingness to abandon their own people to starvation quite disturbing and inexplicable. Napoleon did take Moscow after the Battle of Borodino. He entered Moscow as a conquoror, having won his war. He was surprised to find no delegation to receive him. Instead, the city had been evacuated, and little was left to claim as spoils of war. Tzar Alexander refused to sue for terms and peace, though he was, from Napoleon's point of view, clearly defeated. The Russian army was basically still intact and out of his reach. Napoleon left Moscow on horseback, but his exhausted army had to walk. A survivor account speaks of cutting strips of meat from the living horses as they marched. The horses were too far gone to feel it and didn't even bleed. Out of an army of 680,000, only 27,000 made it through. Quite a lot can be done with bombs and drones, I suppose, but to actually take and hold a country requires boots on the ground. On the other hand, historically, the Chinese will lie down for anybody.
US military is doing business with North Korea:
http://tinyurl.com/l9zrfpj
That sounds about right. About the right size and power of a country. Bigger than Granada true, pretty hard to actually occupy, but could be blasted to rubble with impunity.
Quick, before it builds any dangerous alliances ...
It's already rubble. Like bombing North Viet Nam into the stone age, they were already there.
That. Or Piraeus.
We must be getting real close to the financial meltdown. Timing is everything.
somebody went oh shit, yemen would be a great base to block the gulf and hit saudi oil ports..winning
So, like me, you're comforted by knowledge of this current development.
/s
shiite yemen and shiite Iran may come together if us attacks yemen..putin ain't got no reason to intervene to stop Iran..this is a oil black swan that's very possible. nukes would even drop the dow a bit No?
Oligarch insiders do NOT like surprises, so they will just dial up BenYellin and have he(r) print up some un-nuking, then they will reposition for the fallout (yuk yuk), and then nuking will be OK and combatants may proceed.
So, nothing to worry about here.
Regards,
Cooter
Choking the Gate of Tears, the Bab-Al-Mandeb at the Suez southern entrance has been the point of the Yemani AQ franchise from the beginning.
FORWARD SOVIET!
Undoubtedly to intimidate the Greeks not to leave the Euro or we will bomb them back to the Platonic era.
Were just gonna reteach them "Democracy"
"You're with us... or against us." - cowboy 43
It is the *ist's* against the *ism's* Capitalism, Fascism, Marxism, Socialism, against the extremists, the seperatists, the terrorists, the ... ... ... Don't even need a whole noun any more...just anything you can attach an IST against broadside. That includes, Journal...ists, they had to be the first to go.
Create a noun, declare a war on it...it's just that simple.
President Obma about to order invasion of Canada.
Come on, is that REALLY so far-fetched these days?
Thats funny Obama doesnt have the balls least he order it on his own people. She he has been bombing us for 6 years now
As long as he stays out of Belgium, I don't care. We've got an army you know. With real soldiers. And guns. Come to think of it, our boys are probably still using the Fal semi-automatics I got to use during my military service. Mine dated from 1958.
On a side note, NoDebt: it is not often you get to put an m after a b in English either, right?
FN-FAL L1A1, Nice rifle. M after B, Gubmint or whatever.
"On a side note, NoDebt: it is not often you get to put an m after a b in English either, right?"
I think you got me on that one. Submerged (like our entire economy)??
FN still makes some pretty badass guns. I've got the FN Five Seven on my short list of "got to have" handguns.
Canada has WMDs and "yellow-cake" from Niger.
They are operating terrorist training camps from Whistler, and those stinking French-Canadians are just asking for it.
Loose the snipers upon them, and bomb all of their schools, and wedding parties! That'll teach 'em.
The banksters need to repay us.
We're so exceptional, we'll bomb you to prove it.
Weapons of Molson Drunkeness
It does seem far-fetched today NoDebt but give it 30 years as described by military history author Gwynne Dyer in 2008's Climate Wars.
Maybe they are just going fishing.
Nothing like a good shooting war in the Middle East to pop those spring oil prices. Don't bet against the US flexing some muscle around Iran either.
A neighbor works for a trucking company. They just got an order to truck over 110 loads of special steel - specifically used in gun barrels - headed for New York State.
War's a comin'
After the next Zion supporting false-flag, like after false-flag 9/11, Zion's violence-puppets, the DC US governmnet, will claim, "We didn't see this coming," but will somehow have new laws of plunder waiting in the wings, and war materials all ready, and in place.
The ONLY question is when, and where, the next false-flag show will be put on.
The banksters need to repay us.
Does anyone know the touring schedule for the "Dancing Mossads?"
Oh I'm sure it's much ado about nothing, after all, we have friends everywhere.
'Like Us', or else....
The only thing those BLU-111 and BLU-117s need is a good dual-guidance kit with enhanced off-boresight capabilities.
Target babies do not come with the guidance kits. It will be up to Iran, Yemen and Ukraine to supply them.
Do these things have a use-by date? Maybe they have to use it or lose it?
No, they don't have to worry about using or losing these. There's something like that when it comes to bombs allocated specifically for training purposes, but not for a regular armament.
The base bomb unit has an expiration date which is generally determined by the type of explosive filler. These probably have PBXN-109. That has maybe a twenty-year shelf life after loading in the casing. The service life - once taken out of storage and shipped somewhere - is something like ten years. All the other bomb components like the seeker heads, tail kits and fuzes all have their own shelf and service lives.
Expired general purpose bombs are rotated out of inventory and shipped back to the ammunition plant for destruction. The carrier (or the Dept. of the Navy) does not 'lose' that from inventory. They figure inventory based on serviceable bombs and the Navy orders enough every year to replenish stocks. That's maybe a thousand a year if we're not bombing anyone. They still have to pay for replacements, so they manage stocks and inventory very carefully to make sure there are no expired bombs. Between training and all the stuff we've bombed, I doubt that expiration has been a problem for these since 1985. All the services rotate their stock and use the oldest stuff first. I would guess the bombs shown above are maybe five years old.
They probably could reuse the bomb case, but I doubt they ever do. There was a myth going around during the Gulf wars that we were using 'Viet-Nam era bombs'. Since the case is just a metal shell, the armament makers may have had huge stocks of unfilled cases since the Viet Nam war - the metal case doesn't expire. We would never used filled, assembled bombs that were that old.
back by popular demand...
Looks like Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein are out to kill a couple of Arabs.
Funding courtesy of Abe, I think he might be pissed at ISIS.
Fuck the US war machine
I hate to see 29 up votes and zilch down. Corrected.
Fuck the Zion war machine.
Fixed it.
The banksters need to repay us.