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And the wealthy men were enthralled by Chris Kyle...The American Sniper
I was reading Tim Knight's post on ZH about Perfect Palo Alto, and teen suicide in America.
The heart of the issue isn't the fact that this one railroad crossing is or isn't guarded by someone. It has to do with what the kids think they have to "achieve" to be worthwhile.
This made me think about the movie, American Sniper, and the article I read in D Magazine about the subject of the movie, Chris Kyle.
There is hope. Those kids can always join the military and kill some men, women, and children that are just trying to defend their homeland from foreign invaders. This may delay suicide by a couple years, not to mention the 10% discount at Home Depot.
Who knows? If they kill enough, there may even be a book or movie deal and good times at NFL games with hedge fund managers.
I suspect that Tall Tom was referring to another ZH article in his reply:
Is 1628 the magic number? I gotta know...I gotta know.
That way they can feign remorse while bragging about the body count...
Makes for a great book and TeeVee time too.
Below is my response to Tall Tom, which I have now moved to the ZH Contributors blog in the hope it may spur some conversation on this sad matter.

Bass invited Kyle to live at his house with him while Taya finished selling their place in San Diego. He introduced Kyle to as many “big money” people as he could. And the wealthy men were enthralled by Chris Kyle. They loved being around the legend. They loved hearing his stories and invited him to go hunting on their ranches. Bass would hold an economic summit every year at his ranch in East Texas. He would kick off the festivities by introducing his sniper friends.
“I’d have Chris and other SEALs come out and do exhibition shoots,” Bass says. “They would take 600-yard shots at binary explosives, so when they hit them it’s this giant explosion that shakes the ground.” He smiles as he tells the story. “For all the people that manage money all over the world and on Wall Street to come to Texas and see a Navy SEAL sniper shoot a bomb, it’s about as cool as it gets.”
I wish I could get Kyle Bass and all the people that manage money all over the world and on Wall Street to watch this 18-minute video by Sam Richards. Maybe then they might begin to understand why Chris Kyle was killed by another veteran, and why more US soldiers are dying from suicide than are killed by the enemy.
And maybe then Wall Street and The City might decide to direct their whores in Washington and London to get our sons and daughters out of Afghanistan, which is the longest war in American history.
Now, that would be about as cool as it gets, in my opinion.
For those that think this is a derailing of the Palo Alto suicide thread, just think for a moment about Tim's point in the article on Palo Alto.
"It has to do with what the kids think they have to "achieve" to be worthwhile."
What American Sniper Chris Kyle "achieved" to become a hero is not so vastly different than what Russian Sniper Vasily Zaytsev "achieved" to become a hero.
Read these two books if you want to better understand.
http://www.amazon.com/Stalingrad-The-Fateful-Siege-1942-1943/dp/01402845...
http://www.amazon.com/American-Sniper-Autobiography-Military-History/dp/...
However, the morality of a nation matters.
The morality of a fight matters, as was taught to a young Chris Kyle by his father, and to me by my father.
It always has.
It always will.
As Bastiat says in, The Law:
Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two.
We do not have the natural right to attack others, imprison others, and to take or destroy others property...even if it is profitable to do so...and even if not doing so may endanger our nation's ability to enforce the petrol dollar.
Get us out of Afghanistan.
Get us out of Iraq.
Get us out of Syria.
Get us out of Bahrain.
Get us out of Saudi Arabia.
Get us out of Yemen.
Get us out of Ukraine.
Stop the drone war.
Peace be with you.
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Did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning??
You don't like the "changes" to ZH and the posts written by HH?? Simple, go to another site and/or don't read his posts anymore . . . . last time I checked no-one is forcing anybody to read the posts on this site or participate in the comments section.
It's not the site as it is him. Like a mechanic who you thought was a solid and honest broker then you found out he was just like them. The
Breaking of trust is with him.
I've had to become a much better discerner of facts and
Propaganda bullshit. I am disappointed at the decline of the quality of discussion to real matter of how we are and have been royally fucked and what are we going to do about it.
Agreed?
And yes I did wake up on the wrong side of the bed. Didn't have my coffee and my cat shit in front of my stove and fridge cuz I wouldn't give it some chicken I was cooking. I stepped in it at 3am and couldn't go back to bed.
Agreed on the first part.
Bummer about the coffee and the cats though. I've got three and BTDT . . . . cats can be assholes at times. Not sure what age group you're in but in the old days there was a hippie comic called "Zippy the Pinhead" and Fat Freddies cat used to pull bullshit like that all the time. The classic terrorist activity of the cat was to shit in Fat Freddie's head phones. Nice cat . . . .
Hedgeless_horseman and cognigive dissonance are the most honest brokers here.
Period.
This article all but proves it.
Honesty and facts may well be a judgement of content dependent upon agreement or lack thereof. Facts are after all only those things we agree to be facts.
No: facts are what can't be erased by personal feelings, opinions or agreement. Facts are carved into nature so hard they can't be erased by any force of will.
Maybe those facts are just carved into your side of the stone. Mine says something different. There are conflicting data, what many here would call facts. Follow climate change much? They have tons of "facts" complete with charts, graphs and everything. Very official looking too.
And very provable by any person on Earth using their own equipment. Facts. Carved into the fabric of reality, undeniable whatsoever.
To doubt global warming is the declaration that all thermometers on Earth have been magically rigged to show the wrong temperatures - on the ENTIRE planet.
Obviously I disagree, about HH that is. Cog is at least honest in his rebutL. HH just tries to show bad America is while standing for virtue of our principles as a nation. I agree with the principles but he doesn't explain wh we have to go to such lengths to protect this country even from a president who hates it.
For someone who has the ability to right articles and influence, he should not hide behind just some guy in america outraged at what's being done in he name of his country meme.
Please explain to me why he gets posting priviliges and you do not?
How would you know all that when you've only been here at ZH 9 weeks?
I smell some trollish bullshit.....once again.
I smell some trollish bullshit.....once again.
Yeah, buddy . . . .
His term of membership isn't a basis for rejecting the argument, your acknowledging you've lost the argument when that's your best come back. I've been around here for considerably longer than 9 weeks. I'll echo his argument via cut and paste. So now, you'll agree with "my" point?
"HH just to be clear sir. The attitude others and myself have for you is that we used to read your arguments in the debate and respect you for the differences of your opinions because we viewed you as one of the peanut gallery. Then you got posting priviliges to show your veggies and farm fresh cheeses which is nice but the average poster did not. Oh well.
Then you, as well as cognitive dissonance, got to write articles for ZH and we have to wonder why. It then comes clear that your rants were more shilling than being objective so the trust was broken.
Just like the Tyler's banning people for free speech once they sold the site to someone else. It's no longer fight club and more like propagating anti-American, pro-Russian stories with dubious authors."
You missed my point. I was wondering how he would know all that about HH after only being here a couple of months, that's all.
And no, I disagree with just about everything he has said about HH, Chris Kyle and the illegal and immoral US occupation of Iraq. I have stated my reasons for that too. It is based on facts, not misguided patriotism or propaganda.
At least he's got his name right, might not be long before he finds peace.
New world new avatar. Remember canned ham? I wish I got to read more Francis sawyer. He was informed and misguided but damn you had to love the guy for his teuth, honesty and facts to make his points.
And fonzanoon. He really was the shit. This site has changed so much that he had to leave for his well being. I came here for information that you just didn't get anywhere else, real conversation on the facts of financials and their connections to world events, exposing the lies of govt, making conspiracy fact and having one hell of a time at fight club.
Been here longer than you think son, but I understand how you came to your conclusion.
All war is deception.
No, fuck the racists and bigots and all those others that bring discredit upon this community spouting their crypto anti-semitic jargon (cheespopes... like we don't know what that means).
Francis had to use cheese popes because he was getting band for using joos, Jews or anything close to being offensive. He was offensive and I almost left this site because of him.
However I stayed and learned a lot and yes from him about differences people have and knowledge.
If Francis sawyer was a troll he never broke character.
And I am no troll I can guarantee you that.
Butch up sweetheart. It's a tough world.
Fair enough. And I miss those guys too.
In all sincerity I don't mean to be salty about my feelings about the story line or theme. I have gotten so tired of people, and rightly so, saying how bad America is by highlighting our mistakes, and sometimes dirty work, without telling the reasons why we've had to engage in such extreme activity.
That said I do realize the control of our military actions is a result of the fed and various other financial entities that wish to oppress the entire world financially.
As has been quoted many times here, I care not who the makes a nations laws. Control a nations money and you control their laws. Or something to that affect.
I'll leave you with this. Ephesians 12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace
"without telling the reasons why we've had to engage in such extreme activity."
THERE ARE NONE.
That's the point. Not one American was saved or defended by sending drones or snipers to other countries to murder, not since 1945.
Who invaded Afghanistan in the 80's? That's right the Soviet Union. Who help save those brown people from slaughter? That's right it was the USA.
Just wondering how America got the Russians to do their bidding for them.
BZZZT.
WRONG.
The US actually went first to the Afghans and THEN trained them, funded them and armed them to fight Russians and THEN the Russians had to go there to put a stop to it.
You've drank the kool-aid. It's poison.
Not since 1783. FIFY
Save it for your retard friends in the bible belt, okay? it's a little outghta place here.
People can read this site without signing up.
Yeah right, he's been lurking 5 years just to blast HH now.
Ridiculous, and not a credible answer either concerning the details he seems to know.
Only started seeing HH guest posting articles within the last year or so. If he's been doing longer than 4 years and I haven't seen it then my bad. Same with cog dis. Unless he's been posting for years and I haven't seen it the also my bad. WiillyB posts artwork with some commentary but is mostly know for the artwork.
HH has a specific bent to him and my criticism has been there for a while, different name. He is lacking objectivity for an average joe poster about the politics of said country without the chance to rebut.
I don't care if you use Shitgum, or whatevah, but hurry up with the Suicide part; you're an illiterate retard; now be quiet.
he [HH] is lacking objectivity for an average joe poster about the politics of said country
Please explain what you are trying to state.
An average joe has a different objectivity than others, and that makes sense, overall?
Or does HH somehow need to take into account some average joe's limited understanding of the world and the resulting different "objectivity"?
If yours is not a troll post.
HH ceased being an average joe here when he began having posting priviliges.
I view you as an average like like myself because we can debate about the articles by the Tyler's or the other contributors here that have a name.
HH has an agenda disguised as an opinion precisely because he gets to post. If he didn't get to post then his opinion is just like everyone else's.
Would love to read what doctor engali has to say on any subject matter but we don't. He is as least fair in his discussions compared to HH.
The fact that he gets posting priviliges is the major difference in all of this.
And no offense by average joe if you're that kind of person. I'm a high life man myself who waited tables at a brewery for many years.
Well at least I do understand your point now.
And I even agree to some level:
Many posters have either an agenda that sometimes becomes glaringly obvious, or they have at least blind spots where they cannot see they are subjectively tilted in their opinion even if a commenter points that out.
GW is an obvious example with global warming / anti-nuclear,
and very surprisingly even WB7 has a spot where he overreacts like a bull seeing red.
That said:
1. I so far have not seen any regular outliers by HH
2. Even if I could find some, unless this becomes a totally regular like daily occurrence, that is the right of any poster, no matter if in the comment section or as a contributor: to post one's opinion as s/he sees fit!
You may criticize them in the comment section, or you may ignore their posts altogether,
but crying like a spoiled child over unfairness is a bit over the top.
(Note: have you ever asked Tyler for contributor privileges, or how to work towards them?)
Now that is some entertaining trolling...finally.
I may print that post.
What many of us seek is reasoned arguments, which you do attempt. But when challenged you simply revert to an asshole like every other poster here.
I lurked 3 years before posting. It happens.
Expecting a witty response like "should have lurked more". Har har.
Why all this sniper fussing suddenly ? A sniper is little different than a pilot who drops a bomb in order to kill enemy... as with a tank commander, a drone operator or even a rank and file foot soldier... in fact a sniper is anyone who targets another in order to stop the targets future intent by killing it. If you are uncomfortable with that, then you are simply anti-war. So stop your anti-sniper non-sense already. You're being two-faced if you object to them, but not to those who kill generally.
Wrong. There's more than 2 ways waging a war, pal.
If you're using deadly force on your own land to defend it that's entirely different than invading someone else's land to kill their children for personal gain - which America is.
No better than Hitler.
OK, lets invite them over here and then it will be OK, right? They kept saying we didn't want to fight them here but if you say its the only honorable way, then I'm good. Lets Rumble!!
The only problem is that they aren't real right? I mean they didn't fly the 9-11 planes and even if they did attack us it would be a false flag attack, right? Probably Massad or CIA dudes, so it really wouldn't be right to shoot back then either would it? I mean we would be faling into their trap right? So the only thing we can really do is just dispose of our weapons, seeing as they only threaten, not only Muslims but old ladies and our government...especially our government! Yes, that's it. Outlaw guns to eliminate violence...its the only way!
Poor Hitler. Now hes being cmpared to Americans. How low can you go on the guy?
A sniper is little different than a pilot who drops a bomb in order to kill enemy...
Sorry dude, TERRIBLE analogy there. The sniper can look their target right in the eyes and has real time info on what their target is doing prior to pulling the trigger. A pilot virtually has none of that information and typically is relying on "intel" from the command structure before he pulls his trigger. This is not to mention the scale of all of your analogies - in most of them you are talking about taking multiple, if not hundreds, of lives at a time. Unless a sniper has a rare "through and through" on two targets they are only killing one person at a time.
that;s right William. Bastiat is a wonderful reasoner. A real clear thinker.
The heart of the issue isn't the fact that this one railroad crossing is or isn't guarded by someone. It has to do with what the kids think they have to "achieve" to be worthwhile.
I am goint to respectfully disagree here. I submit the 'heart' of the matter is much more to do about lack of hardship. When the mind is forced to focus on survival, 'self' becomes much less important. Hardship that reveals this quality has been absent in America for a long time.
These guys are highly trained tools of the bankers. That's all. Heroism, fighting for one's buddies, is all part of the programming they get layered onto themselves. Now, let the SEALS or Delta start taking down the jets of the israeli oligarchs, or storming the various Rothschild estates, or raid the pedophile cages these fecks have beneath their homes or bust skulls to find lists of the names of the owners of the Federal Reserve Ban I could go on and on, THEN, and ONLY THEN, can they be true heroes.
This whole Chris Kyle thing smells to high heaven... Its like a Hollywood movie or something. O' wait....
You never hear or read, except from me, about how under slick willy his sec of state Madeline not so bright said that 500k Iraqis including mostly women and children was worth it while she gets nothing but praise from the media and the left. Same with Haliburton under Clinton and Barry. They both gave no bid contracts to an oil services company that are the only ones that can do what they do and not a peep. But when bush and Cheney do it then all hell breaks loose.
There is a certain political ideology that blames America for the rest of bbw problems in the world when it's leftists who coddle and support financially these brutal regimes that never change. It's leftists in all their forms (collectivism, socialism, fascism, communism, progressivism, king, queen, emperor, excellency, Allah)
We are all acutely aware of everything in your post, and have been for quite some time. You would do well to remember that there is only One Party in control of the US. You and I aren't invited.
I am aware of the club. There are also people who are working the party and have to remain unseen so as to help crash the party at the right time. Just because we aren't invited doesn't mean we can't crash it and burn thiat motherfucker down.
Just because we aren't invited doesn't mean we can't crash it and burn thiat motherfucker down.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS WAITING FOR!!!!
Been doing my part. What about you?
Agent provocateur; standard FBI operating procedure for decades. don't respond.