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And the wealthy men were enthralled by Chris Kyle...The American Sniper

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I was reading Tim Knight's post on ZH about Perfect Palo Alto, and teen suicide in America. 

The heart of the issue isn't the fact that this one railroad crossing is or isn't guarded by someone. It has to do with what the kids think they have to "achieve" to be worthwhile.

 

This made me think about the movie, American Sniper, and the article I read in D Magazine about the subject of the movie, Chris Kyle.

I posted this:

There is hope. Those kids can always join the military and kill some men, women, and children that are just trying to defend their homeland from foreign invaders. This may delay suicide by a couple years, not to mention the 10% discount at Home Depot.

 

 

Who knows? If they kill enough, there may even be a book or movie deal and good times at NFL games with hedge fund managers.

I suspect that Tall Tom was referring to another ZH article in his reply:

Is 1628 the magic number? I gotta know...I gotta know.

 

That way they can feign remorse while bragging about the body count...

 

Makes for a great book and TeeVee time too.

Below is my response to Tall Tom, which I have now moved to the ZH Contributors blog in the hope it may spur some conversation on this sad matter.

160 confirmed kills has been the magic number in the past.  However, as Kyle Bass might say, past performance does not guarantee future results.

Bass invited Kyle to live at his house with him while Taya finished selling their place in San Diego. He introduced Kyle to as many “big money” people as he could. And the wealthy men were enthralled by Chris Kyle. They loved being around the legend. They loved hearing his stories and invited him to go hunting on their ranches. Bass would hold an economic summit every year at his ranch in East Texas. He would kick off the festivities by introducing his sniper friends.  

  

“I’d have Chris and other SEALs come out and do exhibition shoots,” Bass says. “They would take 600-yard shots at binary explosives, so when they hit them it’s this giant explosion that shakes the ground.” He smiles as he tells the story. “For all the people that manage money all over the world and on Wall Street to come to Texas and see a Navy SEAL sniper shoot a bomb, it’s about as cool as it gets.”
 

I wish I could get Kyle Bass and all the people that manage money all over the world and on Wall Street to watch this 18-minute video by Sam Richards.  Maybe then they might begin to understand why Chris Kyle was killed by another veteran, and why more US soldiers are dying from suicide than are killed by the enemy

 

And maybe then Wall Street and The City might decide to direct their whores in Washington and London to get our sons and daughters out of Afghanistan, which is the longest war in American history.

Now, that would be about as cool as it gets, in my opinion.

For those that think this is a derailing of the Palo Alto suicide thread, just think for a moment about Tim's point in the article on Palo Alto.

"It has to do with what the kids think they have to "achieve" to be worthwhile."

What American Sniper Chris Kyle "achieved" to become a hero is not so vastly different than what Russian Sniper Vasily Zaytsev "achieved" to become a hero. 

Read these two books if you want to better understand.

http://www.amazon.com/Stalingrad-The-Fateful-Siege-1942-1943/dp/01402845...

http://www.amazon.com/American-Sniper-Autobiography-Military-History/dp/...

However, the morality of a nation matters. 

The morality of a fight matters, as was taught to a young Chris Kyle by his father, and to me by my father.

It always has. 

It always will.

As Bastiat says in, The Law:

Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two.

We do not have the natural right to attack others, imprison others, and to take or destroy others property...even if it is profitable to do so...and even if not doing so may endanger our nation's ability to enforce the petrol dollar.

Get us out of Afghanistan.

Get us out of Iraq.

Get us out of Syria.

Get us out of Bahrain.

Get us out of Saudi Arabia.

Get us out of Yemen.

Get us out of Ukraine.

Stop the drone war.

 

Peace be with you.


 

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Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:41 | 5712606 hedgeless_horseman
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You would prefer someone selfish, caring only about his own needs?

Plenty of those types around, certainly, but I wouldn't want one in my foxhole.

I have never met Sam, but he seems like a decent and intelligent man to me.  He seems like someone I might learn to trust. 

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 01:25 | 5714683 Oldwood
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No, but I can envision a circumstance where a person's life hangs in the balance and Sam stands by desperately trying to get his feet into the perpetrator's shoes. How does anyone so thoroughly committed to empathy ever come to any conclusion that's not completely ensconced in a grey murky fog. Yes, sure, we need to have empathy, but in this world EVERYONE feels justified. We all have some history on our side.

Blacks got a raw deal in America's history, so do empathize with them while they burn buildings or rob people or kill? For how long? In Ferguson or on your street? I don't know where we find the answers but it is clear we will each have to come to our own conclusions, unless they are forced onto us by others.

Sam offends me as while I agree with the need for empathy, the examples he uses are inaccurate and designed for effect. The Muslim nations we are currently involved in wars do not claim money as their reasoning, they claim their religion and our influence and interference as their cause. The world has pumped untold amounts of wealth intothese countries and yes, its distribution is unequal. But this is true in many places that are not bent on killing everyone. While we have done things to make this situation worse than i could be, dealing with radical Muslims is unique.Even Sam's mentioning of burning the quran.What other religion believes and justifies killing someone for insulting their religion?How can you have empathy for that? Would it be the same as having empathy for someone committing murder because the victim had insulted their mother?Is that rational? Do we have empathy?

So what do we do with empathy? Is it something we recognize and actually do, but then do nothing with it other than wearing a merit badge? Do we rate it on a graduated scale and anything over five and we kill? Chris Kyle had empathy, but not enough to prevent him from carrying out his orders. Who decides?? Obviously you have as have many others. I don't find it as easy to judge others this way, maybe because I see myself as flawed. What is it that I could not have done better in hindsight? Call me crazy, but I can't help having some respect for those willing to risk their lives for what they believe in, even if I don't. So few are anymore. Myself probably included.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:04 | 5711829 GIABO
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If you join the military you get what you deserve... Go fight the US governments war for empire and the .0001% , cause I am sure as hell not.

 

Repeat... you deserve whatever you get and being naive is not an excuse.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:16 | 5711713 Gringo Viejo
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Hedge: Some months ago you posted a photo of 2 Russian soldiers checking the tie downs of a Russian tank on a railroad flat car juxtaposed with a photo of an obese disability client in Texas about to be "hoisted" onto a jitney bus. It spoke volumes........

Any chance of a repost so I could file it?

If not, thanks anyway.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:15 | 5711709 basho
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“I’d have Chris and other SEALs come out and do exhibition shoots,” Bass says. “They would take 600-yard shots at binary explosives, so when they hit them it’s this giant explosion that shakes the ground.” He smiles as he tells the story. “For all the people that manage money all over the world and on Wall Street to come to Texas and see a Navy SEAL sniper shoot a bomb, it’s about as cool as it gets.”

 

wow - the wild west shows of old buffalo bill had nothing on these guys. 

cowboys and killers. 

but exceptional americans all.

FU

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:12 | 5711673 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Well said.  I'm about as sick of people who fetishize the military as I am with the MIC.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:01 | 5711624 SmittyinLA
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I knew a guy from korea, he had nightmares of all the killing he did going 400 miles an hour, every cannon round blasted through some poor schmuck on the ground that happend to be in a target zone vaporized into red mist, he relived those scenes every night till he died of cirrosis (thankfully). 

Guilt is real, it does damage, guilt kills.

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:42 | 5711855 I am more equal...
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Kyle understood why he was there.  He was there to fight for and protect his friends. You hear that common thread of thought from WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam veterans; their only concern is about their friends in the action.  Thinking of the larger context, the historical significant, and the meta-narrative of war wasn't on his mind or other vets who saw action.

He was able to kill without remorse because he contained his moralizing to the simplest term he could.  The movie showed the moral conflict he suffered through. Yet his success was based on the protective nature we all have; our group must win - all others must die if they fuck with us.

When suicides occur after actionable conflict, it is primarily about their buddies killed or disabled in action; a questioning of "why me?, why did I live?"  Rarely is it about the morality of war or what they did there.  I feel for these folks.  The morality of war should not be borne by the soldier.  That should be left to politicians and society in general.  When Kyle is criticized and used as a foil to question the morality of war, it is unfair to the individual and to all soldiers. 

Why do rich people, or for that matter anyone, want to hang out with guys like Kyle?  They long for that type of friend, someone who will cover their backs and protect them from harm.  They have achieved financial success, but that is hollow.  They want security that money can't buy.  Loyalty that money can't buy.  They sense it, long for it, but ultimately lack it. 

 

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 10:10 | 5715429 Dickweed Wang
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I don't have a problem with most of what you say in your comment. What I have a problem with is Kyle, and guys like Kyle, characterizing the killing of other human beings as "fun" and "the best time of my life".  That's fucking sick and the sign of a hard core psycopath (sp?).

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:53 | 5712690 me again
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Ever hear of Freud ? Your Masters have. And they know some people will self-select to kill other people; primarily because it's fun. the standard story about protecting the buddies; is just that; the agreed on party line; similar to, " I was just following orders". 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:48 | 5712666 shovelhead
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I used to drink beer with a very large guy who was an Viet-era Army Ranger LRRP (long range recon patrol) attached to the CIA's Phoenix Program that identified high value NVA officer targets and they sent him in to grab em and drag em out for questioning. I guess he was very good at it because he only had a couple small scars that he would be proud to show after a certain amount of empty beers were obtained.

His rational for his job was "Above my paygrade" and " When they're trying to blow your head off, philosophy ain't on your mind".

It wasn't until his 3rd tour when he was the guy responsible for sending in his men did he question the 'righteousness' of the cause. "I send the kid in behind enemy lines. I write the letter to his parents telling them that he was a brave soldier that won't be coming home. That's the point when you ask why. Before that it was 'I'm here to cover your ass and you're here to cover mine' Simple as that".

A very interesting guy to talk to if you have unlimited amounts of beer. This guy killed a beer in two gulps.

I don't know Kyle nor have I seen the movie, but I suspect the same mission focus was at play here. Successful soldiers have it and the ones that don't are soon dead.

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:59 | 5712703 me again
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90% of those Beer Drinkers are Liars who made up the whole history. I've been there in the bar and seen them deflated by an Army Captain who was there and knew what questions to ask. It's not even difficult. Most of them don't even know what a "battalion" is; or an area of operations. If all the people that were in the Phoenix program were in the Phoenix program they'd fill the whold state of Nevada standing shoulder to shoulder.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 18:02 | 5712968 shovelhead
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Um, yeah.

Mr. Sat. 800 millionaire Hawaii living rocket scientist and astronaut, part-time cowboy and former Mr. Universe contestant. Retired.

I suppose you also have a picture Ranger ID card.

*Oops, forgot the 147 IQ.

No surprise, since it's evidence is certainly not on display.

But do carry on. We tend to have a twisted sense of amusement @ ZH and, in your short 2 weeks here, you have provided some needed levity. 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 18:23 | 5713128 me again
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four year enlishtment; no special forces. been here since 2009; keep getting kicked off.  I had a 80cu. in Shovelhead once; rode it like a rented mule.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:16 | 5712469 Benjamin123
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Friends? What do they have to do with anything?

Yai, i killed 160 persons for friends!

Thought terminating cliche if i ever saw one. Corzine also did it for friends..

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:46 | 5712638 I am more equal...
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Kyle was in a war not of his making. Corzine was in an industry of his choice.  Poor comparison.

Your criticism tell me you have few, if any, friend or people you can rely on.  I'm sorry for you.

You are young, probably under the age of 35, I would guess under the age of 30.

I would also speculate you were not born in the US or are a product of a poor public education or both.

If put in a position to kill, I would not kill for a stranger.  I would kill for friends if their life was at stake.

Hopefully, they would do the same for me.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:02 | 5712725 Vooter
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"Kyle was in a war not of his making. Corzine was in an industry of his choice. Poor comparison."

Huh? Kyle wasn't drafted...he SIGNED UP for the industry of his choice, just like Corzine did. What are you talking about?

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:02 | 5712721 me again
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Once again; you're simply wrong. The did it for the unit story is just that; cover. Read Freud. He volunteered. he self-selected. Killing people is fun; the story is agreed on later; like "we were just following orders'";  remember that one ? Now they have a new one; we just did it to protect the other guys. You're very naive.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:01 | 5712715 Benjamin123
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Ad hominem much? What do you think you prove by attacking me?

Being in a situation not of your own making is no excuse. This planet is not one of my own making.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:09 | 5712390 HardAssets
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" Kyle understood why he was there. "

I'm from a military family and served myself. I've found that very few military people really know why they're are sent overseas to fight (in the broader sense). That's not the same as knowing the details of your particular job. - They really tend to be rather naive. If you were to ask them what they mean by 'patriotism' and 'defending America', you will likely hear a very shallow response. Like most Americans, they know nothing about the nature of money or the way that financial interests own & run the country. Few know anything about US history or the Constitution. Which is typical of those subjected to US 'education' today. They tend to be romantics, or those just pursuing financial benefits (including education & retirement). Those in Combat Arms tend to be physical & action orientated ex-jocks who like the team work & physical activity of their military jobs much more than the idea of stocking shelves at Wa-Mart.
That said, the military folks tend to be head & shoulders above the general population. - - And, that is rather frightening.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 15:19 | 5712085 Brutlstrudl
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Why do rich people, or for that matter anyone, want to hang out with guys like Kyle?  They long for that type of friend, someone who will cover their backs and protect them from harm.  They have achieved financial success, but that is hollow.  They want security that money can't buy.  Loyalty that money can't buy.  They sense it, long for it, but ultimately lack it

 

it's not "Guys like Kyle". It's celebrity.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:04 | 5712735 me again
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It's sick. Just get straight about it. It's sick. it's a sick culture full of sick fucks.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:58 | 5711608 Shitgum Suicide
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Tell you what, patton had it right about the Russians. The Russians had a deal with Hitler if the Nazis beat American and the British in WWII. These wars aren't really about oil per we when looking through the view of the objective of the aggressor.

Controlling the oil flow to any neighboring country who is dependent upon your oil can be forced to do what the supplier says. Unless there are contracts that state that using oil as a weapon is prohibited, you will have dictatorial actions that case the suffering of people that will continue to suffer unless something holds them accountable.

Replace oil with water and you have the same thing. If you cut off the flow of water to your neithbors they will starve and die of thirst. If you made agreements not to do so yet you do, what should be done? Who should do it?

However I'm all for those that are being oppressed to stand up and fight, rather than asking someone else to beat up the bully they facilitate.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 15:53 | 5711606 falak pema
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The line that is a give away in the movie :

I don't give a fuck if its your house...

Now would an American patriot like to hear that said to him by an armed foreigner? 

You cannot kill a man in his own land based on a statist fabricated lie "WMD" when the real reason is Big Oil.

Just look at what Potus is doing today and you'll know that those who cut off people's heads for defending values which are the core essence of western civilization CANNOT be our friends.

To be there personifying the nation has to have another ulterior motive to it than lying through your teeth about "defending our values against terrorists and fanatics". That ulterior motive is OIL.  (we all know that).

And the only message American Sniper projects is "I gotta get you before you get me. NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BUT BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE TO AFTER WHAT I'LL DO TO YOU."

And fuck the ulterior motive as I am just a SOLDIER; aka a low echelon denier carrying out a planned preventive action against a hypothetical knee jerk fueled by repressive and murderous conduct based on a false flag! 

Head up ass logic and totally indefensible punitive action that makes the Reichstag burning  look like a sunday parade.

"Kill em all and let God choose his own". We are truly back to square one. That phrase had an ulterior motive THEN as it does NOW. Just look behind the tinsel curtain.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:52 | 5711576 hangemhigh77
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Stop talking sense.  Are you crazy? No wars? What would we watch at halftime at football games? What would accountants at Lockheed do?  Imagine how many people would be out of work building bombs and such if we weren't invading every country on earth bringing them "freedom"?  We're bringing "aid" to these people like in the commercials.  Aren't we the good guys?

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:53 | 5711574 Fix It Again Timmy
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War as seen by me, a draftee and Vietnam combat medic with the 1st Infantry Division and the 25th Infantry Divison.  Got off the plane at Tan Son Nhnut airport, when the door opened, it felt like an oven, the first thing I saw was a soldier who was covered in red dirt and dust from the top of his helmet to the bottoms of his boots - he was incoherent and confused, never figured out what the hell he was doing at the top of the boarding ladder.  Walked out and saw tons of trucks, planes and helicopters buzzing around, it was like Times Square, you could feel the blizzard of mad money swirling about...got issued my M16, Made by IBM was stamped on it...I said what the fuck, let me see yours to a soldier next to me - Made by Singer Corporation - you could feel the blizzard of mad money swirling about.... So 365 days later after witnessing death and destruction, I boarded the "Freedom Bird" back home at Tan Son Nhut airbase and still I could "feel the blizzard of mad money swirling about"...

It's all about the goddamn blizzard of mad money swirling about...And those fucking maggots call it patriotism or fighting for freedom...Still makes my blood boil more that forty years later....

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 10:16 | 5715466 Dickweed Wang
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RIGHT ON!!!! War is a fucking racket, simple as that.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:07 | 5712754 me again
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Exaclty.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:03 | 5712388 DLux
Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:42 | 5711511 tip e. canoe
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"For all the people that manage money all over the world and on Wall Street to come to Texas and see a Navy SEAL sniper shoot a bomb, it’s about as cool as it gets.”

and right there, you catch a glimpse of how & for whom the entire vicious circle revolves.

funny how that DMag article never mentions where the capital came from to fund "Craft Int'l" and all those super cool rare toys for boys.

what a fuckin circle jerk.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:19 | 5712814 me again
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I had a lot of respect for Kyle Bass; i'm re-thinking that now.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:12 | 5713832 tip e. canoe
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Kyle Bass,

limited hangout?

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:41 | 5711504 Gunga
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What natural rights or resources would we retain if we did not have the American warrior ?

The ability to discern what is just and right is what makes a hero.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 18:10 | 5713049 HardAssets
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"What natural rights or resources would we retain if we did not have the American warrior ?

The ability to discern what is just and right is what makes a hero."

I've known men who have physical courage & that is a desirable trait. But, many of those same men lacked the intellectual and moral courage to question what they think they know. Many in the military are 'conservative' types who respect 'authority' and are 'rule followers'. (I've read that police tend to have these same traits, but I have no personal experience in that field.)

Recent US actions on many fronts show little discernment - though the story is out there that men who are speaking up against what they see are being purged from the U.S. military.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:04 | 5712402 shovelhead
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Sorry...Wrong.

Heroism is not an intellectual exercise.

It's the exceedingly rare condition of putting your life in mortal danger to save the life of another.

With active combat participants, it may be a daily, yet unsung, occurrence.

I suppose my rigid definition could be bent far enough to include intellectuals like Alexsandr Solzhenitzen when his writing sent him to a gulag where death was an everyday occurrence and survival mere chance.

There should be another word for people whose actions approach heroic but I would prefer that the word be reserved for those it was meant for.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.  John 15:13

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:37 | 5712602 Benjamin123
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Get updated. To qualify as a hero you must:

1.-Be a parent.

2.-Get sick, then get better.

3.-Be killed.

4.-Say you risk your life for others. Refrain from using scientific metrics to measure said risk. Refrain from elaborating on how said risks were taken "for others".

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 15:52 | 5712311 Sturm und Drang
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What natural rights or resources would we retain if we did not have the American warrior ?

 

Those you retain yourself.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:35 | 5711485 Ironmaan
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Dumb article. All these people slamming Chris Kyle conflate whether or not the war was just and what Kyle was actually fighting for. Anyone who has been in combat knows that the men fighting are fighting for each other. Kyle was protecting his friends. He has said this over and over. He has stated that his only regret was that he was not able to save more of our soldiers. Vasily Zaytsev was doing exactly the same thing. Yes his country was being invaded but he was doing the same thing as Kyle...protecting his bretheren.

Maybe the war was unjust. It doesn't mean Chris Kyle was not an honorable man.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:20 | 5712830 me again
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He wrote in his book that he punched out Jesse Ventura in a bar; this was a lie. This violates every article of the code of manhood. it's chickenshit. Anyone from Texas want to disagree with this ? Is this not chickenshit ?

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:02 | 5713305 HardAssets
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Read his book when it first came out a few years ago. Later heard some negative things that I was very skeptical on - but researched & found it was true. There's a lot of evidence out there. Here's an article that sums it up very well. :

http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/truth-justice-and-the-curious-case-o...

As for Eastwood - - more evidence that adults making money pretending to be other people (like most little kids do as play when growing up) . . . aren't really the 'heroes' they portray. A nation filled with so many juvenile 'adults' can't seem to grasp this.

P.S. - when I passed on the link above to several people I know, they seemed very pissed off. Guess they'd rather have cartoonish 'heroes' instead of reality. They love Fox 'news'.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:15 | 5713353 me again
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Roger that; received and acknowledged.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:15 | 5712794 Benjamin123
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I do almost everything out of love and hate but no one knows. These are just fuzzy feelings inside my head. Its only fair for people to judge our actions rather than our motivations or intentions.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:47 | 5711879 prymythirdeye
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A liar and a murderer, but honorable nonetheless

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:39 | 5712926 me again
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Bar Fights are very serious; they're scary and dangerous. I've been iin them. I'e won and ive lost. But to lie about punching somebody big and toiugh to make yourself look good; is completely un-accemptable. If you did that;  and you were found out; no real man would ever talk to you or look you in the eye again. It's simply not done.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 15:05 | 5711990 disabledvet
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Well if what you're doing is a crime...and yes there are rules to war and yes being a sniper is a crime....well you better be good at lying and murdering too.

 

Haven't seen the movie so I can't comment on that...Chris Kyle did share is time and money...and he got killed for that.  That sounds like bs to me....but in his world he probably understood that too.

 

I have seen the movie Sniper...and its darn good.  So was the one about the German versus the Russian in Stalingrad.  So was the Full Metal Jacket where the journalist marine gets his first confirmed killed who turns out to be a teenage girl sniper.

 

Wouldn't be war if there weren't WAR MOVIES.

 

Don't expect Time Warner to be donating any of their profits anytime soon.

 

And of course LOOKS GOOD IN THE COMMENT SECTION TOO!

 

Now kick back and relax and see if Putin really does have it in him to pop off a nuke.

 

NOW WE'RE TALKING RATING PEOPLE!

 

I WANT FULL COVERAGE!

NEWSPAPER! MAGAZINE! INTERNET! TALK RADIO!

 

LETS GET THIS PARTY STARTED!

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:49 | 5711557 Mike Honcho
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Nope.  The men are fighting with eachother, for war profiteers.  You seem to enjoy the sensationalism over the reality of war.  And is he supposed to be one of the few combat vets that didnt commit war crimes?  Or is that null because he sniped a good amount of non-american-insurgents.  I feel bad for the soldiers because they are used, just ask Kissinger.  But they volunteer for it.

End all these fake aggressions and protect our home....from here, as per the definition of defense.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:28 | 5712869 me again
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Ain't gonna happen; because the oligarchs make money off it; and b.) sick fucks like to kill people. face it. it's real. It's a sick culture. I have the same skill set; and i KNOW i wold like to kill people from 500 yds. out; I KNOW IT; but i won't do it. They do it because they like it . wake up.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:40 | 5711506 Vooter
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"Anyone who has been in combat knows that the men fighting are fighting for each other. Kyle was protecting his friends. He has said this over and over."

Well, just what the fuck are WE supposed to do about that??? He signed up to be a hit man for one of the biggest criminal organizations on planet Earth, and we're supposed to drive him down Broadway and throw confetti? WTF???

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:27 | 5711774 Citxmech
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IMHO - Kyle's status depends on what he did with rules of engagement that, at one point, were purportedly to 'kill any male of military age on sight' or something to that effect.  

If that's actually true - I don't see how one could obey that order without violating the Geneva and Hague Conventions.

That's something we can do something about - which is vocally protest illegal and immoral conflict.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:24 | 5712852 Benjamin123
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All international conventions are voluntary. Diplomats love writing, dont take them seriously.

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