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And the wealthy men were enthralled by Chris Kyle...The American Sniper

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I was reading Tim Knight's post on ZH about Perfect Palo Alto, and teen suicide in America. 

The heart of the issue isn't the fact that this one railroad crossing is or isn't guarded by someone. It has to do with what the kids think they have to "achieve" to be worthwhile.

 

This made me think about the movie, American Sniper, and the article I read in D Magazine about the subject of the movie, Chris Kyle.

I posted this:

There is hope. Those kids can always join the military and kill some men, women, and children that are just trying to defend their homeland from foreign invaders. This may delay suicide by a couple years, not to mention the 10% discount at Home Depot.

 

 

Who knows? If they kill enough, there may even be a book or movie deal and good times at NFL games with hedge fund managers.

I suspect that Tall Tom was referring to another ZH article in his reply:

Is 1628 the magic number? I gotta know...I gotta know.

 

That way they can feign remorse while bragging about the body count...

 

Makes for a great book and TeeVee time too.

Below is my response to Tall Tom, which I have now moved to the ZH Contributors blog in the hope it may spur some conversation on this sad matter.

160 confirmed kills has been the magic number in the past.  However, as Kyle Bass might say, past performance does not guarantee future results.

Bass invited Kyle to live at his house with him while Taya finished selling their place in San Diego. He introduced Kyle to as many “big money” people as he could. And the wealthy men were enthralled by Chris Kyle. They loved being around the legend. They loved hearing his stories and invited him to go hunting on their ranches. Bass would hold an economic summit every year at his ranch in East Texas. He would kick off the festivities by introducing his sniper friends.  

  

“I’d have Chris and other SEALs come out and do exhibition shoots,” Bass says. “They would take 600-yard shots at binary explosives, so when they hit them it’s this giant explosion that shakes the ground.” He smiles as he tells the story. “For all the people that manage money all over the world and on Wall Street to come to Texas and see a Navy SEAL sniper shoot a bomb, it’s about as cool as it gets.”
 

I wish I could get Kyle Bass and all the people that manage money all over the world and on Wall Street to watch this 18-minute video by Sam Richards.  Maybe then they might begin to understand why Chris Kyle was killed by another veteran, and why more US soldiers are dying from suicide than are killed by the enemy

 

And maybe then Wall Street and The City might decide to direct their whores in Washington and London to get our sons and daughters out of Afghanistan, which is the longest war in American history.

Now, that would be about as cool as it gets, in my opinion.

For those that think this is a derailing of the Palo Alto suicide thread, just think for a moment about Tim's point in the article on Palo Alto.

"It has to do with what the kids think they have to "achieve" to be worthwhile."

What American Sniper Chris Kyle "achieved" to become a hero is not so vastly different than what Russian Sniper Vasily Zaytsev "achieved" to become a hero. 

Read these two books if you want to better understand.

http://www.amazon.com/Stalingrad-The-Fateful-Siege-1942-1943/dp/01402845...

http://www.amazon.com/American-Sniper-Autobiography-Military-History/dp/...

However, the morality of a nation matters. 

The morality of a fight matters, as was taught to a young Chris Kyle by his father, and to me by my father.

It always has. 

It always will.

As Bastiat says in, The Law:

Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two.

We do not have the natural right to attack others, imprison others, and to take or destroy others property...even if it is profitable to do so...and even if not doing so may endanger our nation's ability to enforce the petrol dollar.

Get us out of Afghanistan.

Get us out of Iraq.

Get us out of Syria.

Get us out of Bahrain.

Get us out of Saudi Arabia.

Get us out of Yemen.

Get us out of Ukraine.

Stop the drone war.

 

Peace be with you.


 

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Tue, 01/27/2015 - 15:19 | 5712088 Bay of Pigs
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I was referring to the lies, deception and halftruths in his book. Not to mention how his family had to pay Ventura $1.8M for defamation.

What he did or did not for his friends is irrelevant to the point I was making, and which you conveniently ignore.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:13 | 5713850 Oldwood
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Poor Jesse. Got to sue a dead man to get his "good" name back.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 15:40 | 5712057 oddjob
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He could ask himself, are these freaks that enjoy raping Iraqi girls really my friends?, ..or are they just shit stains on humanity.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 18:34 | 5713195 jon dough
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I believe you -- and your up-voters -- are voting "shit stains"

 

Wholeheartedly agree.

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:59 | 5711314 Soul Glow
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The nerd in the video pissed me off.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:42 | 5711859 hedgeless_horseman
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I am glad to know you watched it, and that it made you angry.

You should be angry.

We all should be angry.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:09 | 5713830 Oldwood
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If empathy is to be our guide, you may never feed upon a rabbit again...for no other reason then how it makes the rest of us "feel". I think it is always a good thing to try and understand everyone and thing, friend and foe, but this does not mean we must surrender our self interests for others. Regardless of empathy, the key is to truly KNOW what IS in our best interest. Many here may detest wars that they see a purely for oil, but even if this is true, I wonder how most would react if we had a collapse in our oil supplies. We can barely anticipate a stock market correction much less a major shock to oil supplies. I think it important to recognize that while we may have serious criticisms of past and current policies, we have no way of knowing with any certainty what the alternatives might have brought to us.

What would be a good debate is one where we can actually delve into those alternatives rather than simply condemning what has been done. We see the effects of relatively minute fluctuations in oil supplies having a dramatic effect on prices. What if we had done nothing and what if the OPEC nations has conspired to destroy our economy for ideological or political reasons? What would be the cry then? Let us eat dirt? Its not like we have been stealing their oil. OPEC has monopolized the oil business for years and has profited handsomely from it. If we cannot go to war for oil, or for democracy, or for humanitarian reasons, are we to stop trade with nations who sell us oil because they are run by tyrants?

There is plenty of room for debate (unless of course the debate is over) but we don't hear that. Only the evil corporations, evil MIC, evil oil companies, evil politicians, evil everyone... but ourselves...the ones buying the evil oil, paying our taxes to the evil government, buying all of the crap from the evil corporations. It us folks. Maybe its all of our evil corporations, government and especially soldiers who need some empathy here. Just saying, it ain't that simple.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:53 | 5714038 Robinhood
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Oldwood you are a case in point. You are concerned with the spice (oil) and your right to control it because I think you know you can not survive without it. Have you ever killed a rabbit?  deer? a squirrel? or a coon? Have you ever had to deal with emapathy for the lives you've taken?  

Don't get me wrong, I can kill to provide for my family, but I will always feel for the lives I take. Have you ever gutted a pheasant? skinned a coon? eaten a coon?

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:22 | 5714171 Oldwood
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As we always should. I'm not suggesting that we are justified in anything. I'm simply suggesting that ALL choices have consequences and IF we were cut off from oil, those consequences might make Iraq look like a cake walk. We are not dealing with math or absolutes in anything. We are dealing with people needs, real and perceived, and how they ALL react. There were radical Muslim before we invaded Iraq the first time. There have always been radical Muslims. The fact that we have agitated or inspired them is without doubt, but the deed is done and cannot be undone any more than a hit and run. Shit will have to play out and we can do some dumb shit and them some maybe even dumber shit, but shit will happen and our surrendering or "feeling their pain" is not going to change anything.

It reminds me in some ways of a group of people being robbed in a dark alley by a guy with a gun. At the beginning no one can know for sure the outcome, but death is always possible. If none of them does anything and they simply lose some money, they go home all the wiser of the risks of dark alleys. But if one of the victims attempts to fight back and someone ends up dead, that person is the one blamed. Now there is no way that anyone can know the outcome before hand. They could have all been killed if they had done nothing just as easily, but no one would blame them. We see store clerks fired all the time for defending themselves. We have been conditioned and laws put in place to be sure we do not fight back and anyone who does is the real bad guy. Many on this site would resist that notion, insisting on their right to self defense while simultaneously insisting that nationally we ALWAYS turn the other cheek. In some ways it makes no sense. We lament being treated as sheep while insisting we act as a herd of sheep. Sheep do not attack preemptively.

Don't get me wrong...I don't want to be herded one way or another, but at some point we will have to accept the way things currently are and decide, do we simply surrender and accept what may come or do we stand and fight and will that be in your front yard. We are not going to change the hearts of those who want us dead anymore than those who want us as collective beasts of burden.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:32 | 5713937 hedgeless_horseman
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There is plenty of room for debate (unless of course the debate is over) but we don't hear that.

 

The debate is not over, if one is willing to listen...

 

3.1 National Defense

We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.

3.2 Internal Security and Individual Rights

The defense of the country requires that we have adequate intelligence to detect and to counter threats to domestic security. This requirement must not take priority over maintaining the civil liberties of our citizens. The Constitution and Bill of Rights shall not be suspended even during time of war. Intelligence agencies that legitimately seek to preserve the security of the nation must be subject to oversight and transparency. We oppose the government's use of secret classifications to keep from the public information that it should have, especially that which shows that the government has violated the law.

3.3 International Affairs

American foreign policy should seek an America at peace with the world. Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements.  We would end the current U.S. government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid. We recognize the right of all people to resist tyranny and defend themselves and their rights. We condemn the use of force, and especially the use of terrorism, against the innocent, regardless of whether such acts are committed by governments or by political or revolutionary groups.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-07-26/libertarian-party-platfo...

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:18 | 5714149 Shitgum Suicide
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An ant has no quarrel with a boot.

And for the record I didnt junk you once during our dance.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:04 | 5714089 Oldwood
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All fine and good...who decides the specifics of these? Can we all hold hands and vote for peace? Can I get an Amen? The devil is always in the definition and that is how we got to where we are. A little here and a little there and boom, we are the world's policemen.

Sure, I agree with your outline, but this is an attack on a person, Chris Kyle. We can agree that it is a fucked up war, but to pin this shit on Kyle is a low blow. He is a soldier, by all accounts a good soldier who served with distinction and honor to his fellow soldiers. His war is fucked. I think he understood much of that. But you want to attack him BECAUSE he followed orders, and you post a clip that basically says our lack, and I assume HIS lack, of empathy is the problem. Like if he just had an understanding of his enemies perspectives it would change the outcome.

What you and everyone else needs to come to terms with is that the opportunity is long past for empathy to have any consequence on outcomes unless your goal is suicide. Those who are motivated to kill in the name of Allah or their dead sister, are not going to give up simply because we join hands and sing peace protest songs. Your little hero in the clip explained that to you if you were listening. Yes we need to have empathy, but we need to know what reality is too, and of what use empathy is at any given point in time, which is usually BEFORE hostilities break out, not thirty years later.

Who here thinks that radical Islam will lay down their hatred upon our prostration and begging for mercy before them?

How many Jew haters think that the radical Palestinians would live peacefully with the Jews in Israel, if Israel refused to respond to attacks and demilitarized?

Really?

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:38 | 5714165 hedgeless_horseman
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...but this is an attack on a person, Chris Kyle.

Really? 

How so?

Please be specific, if you are able.

If nothing else, it certainly is very interesting that you think believe I am attacking the person, Chris Kyle, when nothing could be farther from the truth.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:41 | 5714212 Oldwood
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You single him out with his film as representative of what you see as the problem. His moral squishyness combined with those who would see him as a hero as what symbolizes and drives our paradigm. Further you suggest that anyone who follows orders is in the same league as a Nazi, which while I have no particular hatred of Nazi soldiers, I can only assume was referenced as a negative connotation. I may well be off base, but that's the way I take it, and while you are not responsible for many other commenters here, they are much more specific in this vein with no contrary response from you.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 23:05 | 5714248 hedgeless_horseman
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That response failed to meet even my lowest expectations.

It started weak.

You single him out with his film as representative of what you see as the problem.

No. I do no such thing. 

Chris singled himself out when he wrote an autobiography that was turned into a movie.

Then your arguments went downhill from that point on.

Maybe try reading my article again, or sobering up?

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 00:34 | 5714561 Oldwood
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I'm just a commenter. You are the one who posted this "empathy" play and it is YOUR response to my points that is lame and the best you can do is suggest i'm drunk? ZH is getting hard up for contributors. I'm always game for an argument, but I expected more.

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 10:15 | 5715448 hedgeless_horseman
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I am not interested in arguments based on obvious falsehoods.  I already have plenty of horseshit.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:56 | 5714061 Mike in GA
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Convince the billion plus muslims and every other man of hostile intent of these planks to your party then I'll consider them.  Until then, we need bullets and the men to shoot them.  

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:03 | 5714084 hedgeless_horseman
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Mike, were you unable or unwilling to read and comprehend this plank?

We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United
States against aggression. The United States should both avoid
entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for
the world.

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:15 | 5714132 Mike in GA
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No more than your inability to comprehend the order of which comes first.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:32 | 5714192 hedgeless_horseman
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Many people that work for the military industrial complex feel the same way that you do.

As Upton Sinclair said,

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 23:50 | 5714424 Mike in GA
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I do not work for nor am I salaried by the MIC.  In fact, my mil svc was 40 years ago.  I fear the MIC with the same fear Eisenhower had and have a full blown skepticism of the ability of our country to survive - in recognizable shape - the burgeoning stresses from within and without.  Our collective desire to appease far outstrips our fortitude to fight for the standards that define us as Western Civilization.

I love my country and if I alone have to stand up for patriotism and good old flag-waving, lump in my throat Star Spangled Banner singing then alone I shall be.  Kyle deserves respect, period.  The morality of war is to be debated in councils far from the battlefield, not within the individual combatant's AO or over his dead body within earshot of his widow.  The individual soldier should not be a fulcrum for a morality debate.

Nothing gets respect anymore, nothing is sacred except the right of every aggrieved, self-appointed, holier than thou leftist threadhog to spout off loudly in everbody else's ear.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:41 | 5713469 Robinhood
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I am very surprised by the replies to this exceptional post my friend. I think the vast majority totally missed the message. Maybe they weren't listening.

Understanding psychopaths 

These are the main characteristics to be on the lookout for:

Callous lack of empathy

 Maybe they didn't watch and listen to Sam Richards.  Anyway, thank you, it's very good to know there are others with the same perspective. There seems to be very few of us left.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:47 | 5714198 Urban Redneck
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Might have something to do with the big Hollyhoax turd that HH's message was wrapped around.  

That shit is engineered to fuck with the human mind.  

I haven't set foot in movie theater since 1998 because I refuse to feed that beast, or facilitate its quest.    

The MOAR MONEY people pay to see propaganda like this, the more propaganda they will make.

More people need to stop contributing to the vicious cycle.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:23 | 5713894 Socratic Dog
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Callous lack of empathy?  That describes most everyone in the USSA.  Not just snipers and drone pilots.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:09 | 5714101 Robinhood
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You are wrong! you are looking in the wrong places. Actually you aren't even looking! Wallstreet and washington (Zionists) do not define the usa. 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 15:40 | 5712232 Sir Edge
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Dear Hedgeless_Horseman...

Bravo...  Succinct... Well Written... On Point...

Plus One Kabillion...  UpVotes...

I Have Felt This Way Since The Vietnam War...

It Still Continues... Even Until This Decade... This Year... Beyond Sad...

I Will Have More UpVotes To Give After Printing Them Out Later...  :o)

Sincerely, Edgey

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:59 | 5711295 Vooter
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“For all the people that manage money all over the world and on Wall Street to come to Texas and see a Navy SEAL sniper shoot a bomb, it’s about as cool as it gets.”

LOLOLOLOLOL...what a bunch of fucking monkeys...just ANOTHER reason why 9/11 was hysterically funny...

Oh, and an aside to Tall Tom: What happened to the fucking ASTEROID that we were supposed to be wringing our hands about on 1/26???

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:25 | 5713628 Oldwood
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Have you ever shot a gun...or is it too primal and retarded for you? You may have no appreciation for the skill required to make some of these shots and admittedly its not nearly as exciting as picking a really good stock or finding just the right muppet to pawn it off on, but hey, to each their own...fucking monkey.

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 00:31 | 5714552 Vooter
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Nope, I think extreme markmanship is an amazing skill, and I don't have a problem with guns, either. I just don't like people who act like monkeys...

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 02:29 | 5714775 Oldwood
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Do you have any idea how much money that Kyle Bass has put towards veteran projects and that these outings are how he gets other wealthy people involved and donating. How is that acting like monkeys? Chris was killed trying to help veterans. You may not agree with the military or the wars but I fail to see how that is acting like monkeys. People don't give a shit what the facts are, they simply want to rant in support of their beliefs, and what those beliefs are based on is irrelevant. You are entitled to them, as I am mine, even though I may be stupid and act as a monkey.

ZH is becoming an echo chamber for the self enlightened.

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 11:13 | 5715688 Vooter
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"People don't give a shit what the facts are, they simply want to rant in support of their beliefs, and what those beliefs are based on is irrelevant."

You're right! But that's where we are in this country, and why not? The powers-that-be had their fun for decades, and now the masses are going to have theirs...sounds pretty logical to me. Good luck!

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:16 | 5711388 Calmyourself
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Really happy it did not hit us but actually that turned out to be quite cool, it had a 180M moon tagging along.. 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:26 | 5711434 Vooter
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Well, hopefully, a lot of people got the chance to be really worried about it for a couple of weeks...no sense in passing up a perfectly good FEAR opportunity!

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:52 | 5711271 Augustus
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Interesting concept of having no concern for brown people getting butchered by the various versions of local warlords.

Perfectly safe to watch from afar and not give a crap.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:20 | 5712835 Shitgum Suicide
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Augustus- this is what I mean about propagation site. Who is it but the political left who says that America must help these poor people because it's just horrific what's happening to them.

Then these are the same people that scream America is installing a puppet govt for oil or whatever so we should just abandon them. But we should give aid and money to the dictator warlord who butchers these people that starts all the outrage to begin with.

And of course last but not least the "these people are only like this because of American greed and it's our fault that they live under such horrible conditions" crowd who are at the heart of your comment getting so many down arrows.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:48 | 5714015 Oldwood
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Evil greedy Americans,

Evil greedy Americans,

Evil greedy Americans,

Evil greedy Americans,

Evil greedy Americans,

Evil greedy Americans

And the remaining peace loving peoples (including the religion of peace) of the world.

Can I get a hug?

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 15:15 | 5712073 crusty curmudgeon
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If you're suggesting we're in Afghanistan for humanitarian reasons, then: (1) provide some evidence of this; and (2) explain how we haven't first gone to war against North Korea.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 15:55 | 5712330 Augustus
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If you are suggesting that we're in Afghanistan for reasons of profit then: (1) provide some evidence of the gain; and (2) explain how North Korea has expanded beyond the border to kill Americans.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:17 | 5712432 hedgeless_horseman
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Your reply is fallacious, Augustus.

Nonetheless, I'll be your Huckleberry.

1) Cock Block Pipelineistan

2) Obama says Nork hackers are a danger to the American way of life. 

Yes, two is pathetic, but such is our nation's leadership.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:51 | 5712671 Greenskeeper_Carl
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don't forget that the taliban had nearly irradicated the opium trade. Now, under USSA occupation, its flourishing. Biggest crops in decades, with the fields now being patrolled and protected by US soldiers. Don't get me wrong, I don't give a shit if afghan farmers(or any farmers anywhere, for that matter) want to grow opium on their property, but its pretty absurd to have the 'war on drugs' costing trillions over the last couple decades at home, while we protect certain aspects of the drug trade abroad.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:13 | 5712780 me again
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dude we don't just help them grow it; standing orders to US Military Personnel, "don't molest the poppies, it disturbs the farmers"; we import it to the US. Just like Cocaine for the Contras. This is a deep rabbit hole, and it smells worse the farther down you go.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:33 | 5713670 laser
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The big banks make a lot of money laundering drug money.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:37 | 5713953 FIAT CON
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HSBC small fine for laundering drug money.

 The justice system cannot throw bankers in jail because it will cause a world financial meltdown.

 This is why they are "TBTJ" or "Too Big Too Jail".

KEISER REPORT; HSBC Too Big To Jail E379 [Banking ...

Prison in the US "private for profit prisons"!

How many cops, judges, lawyers make a fortune as well.

The Biggest scam going jfk to 911 drugs and corruption.

explains how the head military, Marines, CIA are together with the mob control all the drugs.

‘Too big to fail’ status gives US banks ‘free pass’ – Fed study

enough said.

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:36 | 5711493 Overfed
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Yeah. The US has 900+ military installations in over 70% of the countries on earth for humanitarian reasons. Fuckin' DERP.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:33 | 5711477 rogerrabbithole
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Perfectly rational, too. It is sad, but we can't do a damn thing about it. The people there need and have to do it themselves. 

Anyways, wtf do you think, that we're going to fight these wars out of altruism? OK. Good one.  

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:05 | 5711330 Ghordius
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your comment suggests that some situations require intervention for humanitarian reasons. as such, a perhaps valid point, highly debatable and dependent from the specific case. but it has, imho, very little to do with what Hedgeless Horseman is writing here, and his appeal to less war in general

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:18 | 5713610 Oldwood
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Good luck with that. War is as old as humanity.

Next;

we will socially engineer the elimination of "horny"

And as with all other things I suppose it is possible and seems to be working for Japan. I think that is how societies die off.

How many cultures have died off from war and how many have died off from apathy and infertility? What does it mean to be human?

Lets read some history and find out.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 15:12 | 5712044 mvsjcl
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It's nice to see you comment on a non-EU comment thread, especially in defense (or clarification) of HH's post.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:51 | 5711261 GIABO
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The world needs bullet stoppers.

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