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Is The BLS Overstating Jobs?

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Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:23 | 5713382 pods
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I'd have a 12 inch wanger if the BLS measured it.

pods

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:25 | 5713396 zorba THE GREEK
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BLS....They put the L in the middle to misslead you.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:54 | 5713514 NoDebt
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If you just ate an entire generation of your own children, would you tell the truth about it?  Didn't think so.  Neither will they.

What really scares the shit out of them is once you've done that you've wiped out those you were depending on to pay the tab for all the SS and other benefits for the older generation.  The slightest whiff of "there's nobody left to carry the water" and the AARP and other senior groups will have kittens.  Political careers will end.  And that can not be allowed to happen.  Ever.

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:04 | 5713559 PirateOfBaltimore
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Just one generation? I'm 27 and fully assume that both myself and my potential progeny are utterly fucked.

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:10 | 5713839 sheikurbootie
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I know several millennials with highly technical education/training and several years of experience.  One of them (28 years old) told yesterday that his company and competing companies are having a massive layoff of up to 25%.   He's associated with the oil industry, but not directly employed by an oil company.  

It just keeps coming for millennials.  The older and most senior avoid the cuts while the younger/new guys get fucked.  It's devastating to have to recover from a layoff nearing your peak earning years.   I have some other millennial friends (mid-20's) that still can't get the first break at a career job.  Before you know it they'll be 40 wandering what the fuck happened.

The economy is fucked and the BLS is lying.  It serves no purpose and the only ones that believe this shit are government employees and retirees that watch the news. 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:42 | 5714210 Spigot
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Looking at this from a different perspective:

1) If you can't "get a decent job" or your labor returns far less than a living wage, then you are better off being self employeed.

2) In the larger sense the current idea of "employment" by others (a job) and the ongoing dismal "job market" indicate that current businesses and ways of doing business are slowly decaying. Recognizing the trend and  moving away from a disintegrating business model are exceptionally important for our long term prosperity.

3) In 1900 90% of people in the US worked for themselves.

4) In 2000 90% or people worked for someone else.

5) This trend of being "employed" vs "employing self" has now reversed. Trend = Friend. Find a way to surf this trend. Take command of your destiny.

6) Network with those who see the same thing and start making the next thing with them...loosely coupled networks of self employed people who work collectively on projects when needed, who can move and adjust with the market rapidly, who are not tied down to old ways of doing things, etc.

7) Use your strengths and the old systems' weaknesses to further your cause.

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 03:07 | 5714815 Villageidiot777
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Laws, regulations, taxes, fees in 1900 versus 2000.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:31 | 5713659 waterwitch
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The 'L' is for 'length' as in shLong.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:23 | 5714172 TheMerryPrankster
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Bullshit

Lies &

Stories

 

BLS-  try to think of it as light entertainment, sort of "The Office" of government agencies.

True unemployment is around 20%, most of the people we've added at work tell me they've been out of work 6months to a year before they got hired. That's greater Atlanta metro area, where the economy is supposed to be "good". I hate to think what its like in the slow areas...

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 08:35 | 5715147 asteroids
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The numbers are useless. The census tells us how many are of working age. The Treasurey, in more or less real time, tells us how many are working, how many hours, and what they make. You don't need the BLS at all. Abolish it.

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 08:59 | 5715212 Refuse-Resist
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As a resident in one of those slow areas I can tell you what' it's like:

Gov, healthcare and edu at full employment, high wages, and flaunting it. Everybody else scraping by on .gov assistance or by working multiple part time jobs for national chains like Walmart, Mcdonalds, etc. Even my friend's high school senior can't get more than 28 hours per week at burger king.

 

His economic plan> Join the USMC and GTFO of here. Sadly that may be his best option.

 

I think  Michael Moore correctly called it, in Farenheight 9/11:  The economic draft.

 

It's going on here big time. The ROTC at the local HS is bigger than the football team and band put together.

 

My HS didn't even have ROTC. My how times have changed.

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:32 | 5713416 Keltner Channel Surf
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Imagine the seasonal adjustment they'd assault your foot-longer with during the colder months.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:10 | 5713577 Ness.
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#Shrinkage

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:19 | 5713612 Keltner Channel Surf
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Like the impact of viewing something unappealing ("We Rosanne Barr-ed some folks")

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:32 | 5713424 1stepcloser
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and thanks for that visual.  The BLS measuring your huge 3 inch cock

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:43 | 5713999 pods
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lol

Well I could measure a NYC blizzard.

#goodenough

 

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 08:59 | 5715217 Refuse-Resist
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I went fishing yesterday and I caught a fish "THIS BIG". But he got away.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:23 | 5713386 angel_of_joy
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BLS = Bull Laughable Shit

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:29 | 5713420 Be_Optimistic
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But Obama said the economy was never stronger?

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:40 | 5713462 saints51
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So does every single president. Party affiliation makes you think you're free and have control.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:50 | 5713504 NoDebt
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And Bush said "the state of our economy is strong" shortly before the wheels came off.

What the fuck would a president know about the economy anyway?  And if he did know do you think he'd ever tell you the truth?  "We're so collossally fucked you have no idea what's coming down the tracks at us" are not words Presidents want to be quoted saying.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:21 | 5713616 highly debtful
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Ha! That's what you get when your country is run by Americans. At least here in the EU wisdom and common sense always prevail. Fortunately for us, our venerable leaders had the foresight to build a strong and coherent union. And as far as lying is concerned, we have no worries whatsoever since "honest Abe" Jean-Claude Juncker reappeared on stage. Aren't you guys jealous yet? I bet you are!     

All we have to do now is deal with those pesky Greeks without bankrupting our entire banking system and we're good.

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:10 | 5713829 adr
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I blame the French. Damn French. Fucking bastards stole my family's money and land, forced my ancestors to flee to Canada to trap beaver.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:45 | 5713477 eric89074
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There's plenty of low paying part time work if you want it.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:46 | 5713483 Playtime's Over
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If only they would raise the minimum.  Heaven would ensue.  And besides, it's Bushs fault. Our king reigns, Were livin the dream, quit fighting it all you haters........just be happy. <sarc>    just in case you didn't know already.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:56 | 5713535 bigfire
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Lies, Damn Lies and BLS.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 22:28 | 5714179 TheMerryPrankster
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you just described Obama's 3 point economic recovery plan...

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:00 | 5713544 highly debtful
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Is The BLS Overstating Jobs?

Does a bear crap in the woods? 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:10 | 5713579 Roanman
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This is a stupid question,"Is the BLS overstating jobs?" This is an organization withing the Federal government of the United States of America with all that implies, of course they are not "overstating" jobs.

They are lying through their teeth about jobs.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:11 | 5713584 Everybodys All ...
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I'd go one step further. This deception is coming directly and on orders to deceive us right from the White House.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:16 | 5713598 ThroxxOfVron
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"Yes, almost back to full employment"  

snort

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 08:21 | 5715095 El Hosel
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We're in the sweat spot now baby! Full employment, consumer confidence and margin debt at all time highs, cheap energy and Puttin in his place..... This must be as good as it gets, tug the rug out from under it.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 20:17 | 5713601 richiebaby
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What if they're understating them because they don't want us to know how fucking good we're doing?

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:14 | 5713796 foodstampbarry
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Dude, move back home with mom and dad,  Bank your 9.00/hr and bang hookers till u blow your brains out. Yes, the future of America is bleak.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:07 | 5713806 kappal_toba_dhu...
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"Overstating" is putting it mildly.  Yes, a few more jobs have appeared than a few years back, that is for sure.  But the overall situation id dismal at best. 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:07 | 5713807 kappal_toba_dhu...
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"Overstating" is putting it mildly.  Yes, a few more jobs have appeared than a few years back, that is for sure.  But the overall situation id dismal at best. 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:06 | 5713810 adr
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Everything called a conspiracy theory regarding the US government and the economy will be proven fact.

The list is already long and getting longer by the day.

The threads are unraveling, but there isn't anyone close enough who dares to pull.

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 08:05 | 5713900 El Hosel
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The numbers are cooked, the recovery is half baked, "the market" is toast.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 21:55 | 5714057 Consuelo
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Don't show this data to Brown Brothers Harriman...

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 23:00 | 5714219 TeethVillage88s
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Male Labor Participation rate is a big problem shown by BLS Data; I can't really say for sure if the charts above are accurate or not. I don't have access to all the data I need or want.

- Male Suppression in USA, Male Labor Participation Rate is terrible for our Culture & US Future
- Money Velocity proves this problem of Labor Participation for USA the Most productive Nation on Earth
- Money Velocity & Multiplier Effect from Manufacturing Topped out 1979 (Manu Top) or 1981 (MZMZ or M1V)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MANEMP (Employees: Manufacturing 12.1 M Persons, Top 1979, 19.5 Million people)

- Doesn't matter the Race in USA, the Male is dropping out of the Labor Force
- Greenspan's Hot Economy of the 1960s-1970s, has gotten "Cool", low velocity, low investment in Capital Equipment & Facilitates, higher Financial Gambling type schemes, higher creation of Rentier Schemes and "Jobs"
- Out Sourcing, Off Shoring, Tax Inversion, Tax Loopholes = great profits for a couple of guys in the USA, but not for the consumers, not for Main Street, And as Education & Skill Training Cost Rise Exponentially, the Payoff is no longer "Present", Education does not pay for most peasants, nor for Employers... the low demand for Labor of all kinds with high competition and high labor supply create a long-term problem for the Viability of the USA
- STEM SKILLS Glut, it is true, we have the best workforce in terms of skills, as jobs go overseas the workforce is idle and must compete with broader field of labor, Greatest Workforce in the World is idle, we have Doctors and computer programers in regions where the demand for skills is very low to next to nothing, but you can find that across skill sets as the problem of Location is "still" a factor
- We Put our Black & Hispanic Men in Prison at higher rates than any country including Russia & China, they are branded for life now with Internet Enforcement, Looks like the Incarceration Rate went Exponential after the 1971 "War on Drugs" and Ronald Reagan 1984 Sentencing Reform Act(SRA)

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http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1V (Top was 2007 Q4 at 10.7, now down to 6.3)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M2V (Top was 1997 Q3 at 2.2, now down to 1.5)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MZMV (Top was 1981 Q1 at 3.5, now down to 1.4)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/Mult (Top was January 1987 at 3.1, now down to .7)

Best Historical FRED Chart for Velocity is maybe M1V as you see back to 1960 the steady clime till 1981. Peak for Male Participation in Labor force was 1949 at 87.4%.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/LNS11300031 Labor Force Participation Rate - 20 years and over, Black or African American Men (only back to 1972)

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/LNS11300001 Labor Force Participation Rate - Men
2014-12: 69.2 Percent, Monthly, Seasonally Adjusted, LNS11300001, Updated: 2015-01-09 (Only goes back to 1948, Steady Decline from 1948)

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/LNU01300028
Civilian Labor Force Participation Rate - 20 years and over, White Men
2014-12: 71.8 Percent, Monthly, Not Seasonally Adjusted, LNU01300028, Updated: 2015-01-09 (Only goes back to 1954, Steady decline from 88.4%)

Also the Weekly and Hourly earnings data from the Current Population Survey, Series Id: LEU0252881600, Series title: (unadj)- Constant (1982-84) dollar adjusted to CPI-U- Median usual weekly earnings, Employed full time, Wage and salary workers... Show Weekly Earning same in 1979 as 2014.

So if you say there is no Labor participation Rate problem in the USA, then how do you explain the low wages???

Don't worry it is just US Manhood at stake!!

Also we could gain by having mandatory military service in the USA for many reasons.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 23:26 | 5714358 TheMerryPrankster
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thats why  Obama is opening the borders, so he can supply more cannon fodder to the pentagon.

It would be a depression except with the media being owned by the government, they will call it an ongoing recovery until the last bank fails and the last  QE only raises the indexes by a negative 200 points.

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 08:54 | 5715194 Refuse-Resist
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Upvote.

 

Clearly, what's needed here is MOAR FEMINISM!

 

Here are some of the leaders of that movement.  Hmm. Interesting what they have in common:  ugly, and uh....  Well you all can figure it out:

 

https://murderbymedia.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/jew-fems.jpg?w=460

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 07:52 | 5715065 Dr.Engineer
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The government is lying.  It uses the birth death model to get the number it wants which the algo's feed on.

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 08:50 | 5715187 Refuse-Resist
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Did Howdy Doody have wooden balls?

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 14:03 | 5716524 much obliged
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While I agree that the ratio of business startups to closures is not good, nothing was said about the size of the business startups and closures. That would be the ratio of the number of employees in the business startups to the number of employees in the business closures. If the business startups are larger than the business closures that could account for 613,000 annually.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 20:51 | 5727640 KatyJordan
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