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Medvedev Warns Of "Unlimited Reaction" If Russia Cut From SWIFT
While nations around the world continue to de-dollarize, Russia signed into law its anti-crisis plan today (though details will not be released until tomorrow). Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, however, was quite vociferous in some of his threats, warning The West that the "Russian response - economically and otherwise - will know no limits" if Russia is cut off from the SWIFT payments system. Additionally, as Royce, the chairman of the House foreign affairs committee, explains Iran nuclear talks "appear to be stalemated," just days after Iran completes its de-dollarization and news today, that Russia and Iran plan to create a mutual account for bilateral payments in national currencies.
Western countries’ threats to restrict Russia’s operations through the SWIFT international bank transaction system will prompt Russia’s counter-response without limits, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday.
"We’ll watch developments and if such decisions are made, I want to note that our economic reaction and generally any other reaction will be without limits," he said.
In late August 2014, media reports said the UK had proposed banning Russia from the SWIFT network as part of an upcoming new round of sanctions against Moscow over its stance on developments in neighboring Ukraine. However, this proposal was not supported by the EU countries at the time.
After recent shelling of the Ukrainian city of Mariupol some western countries again started calling to disconnect Russia from SWIFT.
SWIFT transaction system
The Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications (SWIFT) transmits 1.8 billion transactions a year, remitting payment orders worth $6 trillion a day. The system comprises over 10,000 financial organizations from 210 countries.
Under the SWIFT charter, groups of members and users are set up in each country covered by the system. In Russia, these groups are united in the RosSWIFT association.
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Russia intends to have its own international inter-bank system up and running by May 2015. The Central of Russia says it needs to speed up preparations for its version of SWIFT in case of possible ”challenges” from the West.
"Given the challenges, Bank of Russia is creating its own system for transmitting financial messaging... It’s time to hurry up, so in the next few months we will have certain work done. The entire project for transmitting financial messages will be completed in May 2015," said Ramilya Kanafina, deputy head of the national payment system department at the Central Bank of Russia (CBR).
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As Reuters reports, Russia's isolation appears to be shrinking...
Russia and Iran plan to create a mutual account for bilateral payments in national currencies, RIA news agency quoted Mehdi Sanaei, Iran's ambassador to Moscow, as saying.
"Both sides plan to create a mutual bank or a mutual account to make payments in rials and roubles possible," the ambassador said.
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Quickly followed by:
- *SHELBY SAYS MORE PRESSURE ON IRAN NEEDED FOR `VIABLE' DEAL
- *ROYCE SAYS IRAN NUCLEAR TALKS `APPEAR TO BE STALEMATED'
- *CHAIRMAN ROYCE OF HOUSE FOREIGN AFFAIRS HOLD IRAN HEARING
- *OBAMA, SAUDI KING DISCUSSED IRAN NUCLEAR NEGOTIATIONS: OFFICIAL
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When does RIFT get unveiled? Serious question. Anti-Troll mist has been sprayed....
Quote from Yanis Varoufakis' (new Greek Finance minister) book "The Global Minotaur" (p. 227):
A second, even brighter, scenario would be for the West to have an epiphany and, at long last, embrace John Maynard Keynes’ suggestion of an International Currency Union – the very suggestion that America rejected at the Bretton Woods conference of 1944.
Varoufakis often appears as guest analyst for news media like the BBC, CNN, Sky News, Russia Today and Bloomberg TV among others. Since January 2013 he has been teaching at the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin.
I don't know anything about this idea in history. For the sake of discussion (and later reading) can anyone give a quick digest of what the ICU would have entailed? If it came from Keynes then I am already suspicious...
You can start here. The point of the Greek tragedy is introducing a new international currency union (dollar 2.0).
Do it already Russia...
dr strangelove regains its relavancy in 3 2 1
Sometimes I just wish Russia was denied access to SWIFT. I'll just hang onto my gold and silver and watch the action on TV from the safety of my Living Room.
Yeah, the foreplay is getting excessive. We all know what is coming, so get it going already.
UnDollarization... Kryptonite (Or GOLD) To Usa...
PS... Let The Dollar Die, No Reason To RISK A NUKE WAR Over A Fiats Currency...
NEW Fiats Will Come And Go As They Have In Modern History...
After recent shelling of the Ukrainian city of Mariupol some western countries again started calling to disconnect Russia from SWIFT
Oh, entire Countries, or a handful of Zionist bought off politcians in said Countries?
...Russia and Iran plan to create a mutual account for bilateral payments in national currencies.
That's the really important thing.
You buy something from my country, then I receive a surplus on my account. I buy something from your country, my surplus shrinks. The more countries participate, the more ways the balance can be established: A sells something to B, B sells something to C, C sells something to A.
No debt, no banks controlling international trade, no money lenders!
Nationalsocialist Germany invented it to escape the economic warfre of international Jewry which had declared war on Germany in 1933. After Gemany's victory over France it was planned to establish this barter clearing system in Europe after the war would be won.
Unlimited consequences, like rusty subs and prop planes. Terrifying. We should cut off access to SWIFT immediately, see how loyal Putin's subjects are then.
Russia should cut off the EU's supply of oil and gas. Then see how loyal the EU subjects are to Brussels when they're sitting there cold, dark, and hungry
Maybe the EU can send some Muslim Arab soldiers to die for the old dying white Europeans
Loyal enough to beat Hitler and Napoleon. Be careful what you wish for, it could get really hot for all of us.
it could get really hot for all of us.
The only thing certain about nuclear weapons is their uncertainty. Talk to anyone who ever worked on any nuclear research, at Los Alamos or otherwise, they will all tell you the same thing: nukes are more a scare tactic than a real weapon. Nukes are still unpredicatable, delicate, difficult beasts and nobody really wants to fire one off, because if it doesn't go as planned their country becomes a giant target. This is why they haven't been used since WW2. Russia isn't even a regional power, the UK alone could easily defeat them militarily. This is what's so funny about the latest crop of ZH members, this wacky allegiance to Russia and the belief they could do anything. That guy in the movie "The Good Sheperd" said it best (before he threw himself out of the window):
Soviet power is a myth. Great show. There are no spare parts. Nothing is working, nothing, it's nothing but painted rust. But you, you need to keep the Russian myth alive to maintain your military industrial complex. Your system depends on Russian being perceived as a mortal threat. It's not a threat. It was never a threat. It will never be a threat. It's a rotted, bloated cow.
>>nothing but painted rust
Sounds like someone knows whats up
"painted rust"...wasn't that in a huffpo propaganda piece today about the Russian military? I know I saw it somewhere recently.
"Soviet power is a myth. Great show....It's a rotted, bloated cow."
Don't stop there BK, keep going! You're hilarious hahaha
Next you'll say is:
they have no resources
they don't actually have any oil
they have no subs, tanks, jet fighters, missiles
they have no gold
they have no industry
they have no friends (they're isolated right)
and you'll then confirm that Yat's was right - they invaded Germany in WW2!
haha
My "wacky allegiance to Russia" lies in my distain for our Deadly Western Leadership and it's threat to my own peace and health. If I was a German and against Hitler and therefor supported say the anti war French, would that be "wacky French allegiance" at the time?
American power is a myth. Great show. There are spare parts, but it's a JIT supply line sourced in China. Nothing is working, nothing, it's nothing but painted rust. But they need to keep the American myth alive to maintain the compliance of the vassal states, as well as the welfare gravy train of the military industrial complex. The US Empire depends on America being perceived as an omnipotent threat. It's not omnipotent. It is a threat, though. Like all falling giants, it will remain a threat until its frail, rotting, bloated corpse hits the ground.
Fixed it for you.
Perhaps, lies the con in the insatiable "American Market" . What then happens when the world realizes that there is just the shell of the once enormous American consumer appetite ? Power seeps away from declining position .
BKbroiler your seriously stupid. Atomic weapons are mature, tested, reliable technology tested constantly with supercomputers as well as 2119 live shots.. You sir are an idiot..
Compared to the great US military that can't even defeat a bunch of rice farmers and goat herders LMAO
When Putin said that Russia has a weapon that can surprise the West, he was not joking.
In case of war, the United States will lose all of their satellite constellations in a few minutes. Russian satellites killers already have In orbit. It's just a bucket of explosives and damaging elements. At a signal from the ground, they will all be blown up. On the orbit of the earth, there will be nothing, - only a lot of space debris.
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Moreover, Sakharov, long ago created a weapon directed underwater explosion. These weapons could be used before, even in the Soviet Union time. The underwater nuclear explosion generates a wave height of 11 kilometers. One such wave will go to the coast of the United States. And the second such a wave will go to the coast of the United States on the other hand.
Nobody in the world does not know where those nukes and how many them.
They just lie on the ocean floor in the form of large containers and waiting encrypted signal to activate them.
Furthermore, they wait signal outage. If the control signal has not been received for a long time, it mean that Russia was attacked by nuclear weapons. This means that all systems of nuclear retaliation should work independently - in automatic mode.
lol, rusty subs and prop planes. Do you have any clue at all at the state of the russian military? Ffurthermore, fighting back with military action is just stupid. The us has been putting forth great effort to paint putin as some sort of "new hitler", why go out of your way to provide a casus belli that justifies conflict escalation? That's simply NOT the way Russia or Putin rolls. All Russian military engagement has been fully justified and they were not the first to tip their hands, without fail when the Russian military has moved in, it's been AFTER the west (mainly the US) has gotten involved to a degree that fingerprints were left all over it and if the US dared to call out Russia, Russia could reveal far greater US crimes which justified the engagement. Play the villian knowing full well that at the end of the day, US/NATO/EU will do NOTHING of consequence anyways.
So no, no rusty subs and prop planes. But Russia is totally free to engage in economic warfare and escalate as much as they want. Russia can easily deny all payments to the west, Russia can easily claim economic damage and seize foreign assets. Russia can easily do just about anything they want and the public sentiment will be one of not giving much of a fuck... oh no, Russia cost rich people some money, what a horrible crime. In this Great Game, Russia is sitting on essentially unlimited resources. They have a very strong heavy industry sector and can easily partner with China for the medium/light. China needs resources and oil (which Russia has), Russia needs more development, labor and goods (which China can provide without end). Russia can easily just ignore any and all IP/patent claims from the US/EU as well.
There are MANY cards that Russia can play, none of which are enjoyable if you are the EU/US. Cards which can only realistically be countered with military action, and playing war with a nuclear superpower has gotta be just about the most retarded idea ever. Russia, honestly speaking, doesn't need much of anything from the west.
more connections laomei:
In what was arguably a violation of international law, Evo Morales had his presidential plane forced to land on its way home from Russia in 2013 during the Edward Snowden foo-forah.
Evo Morales spoke on behalf of China +77 (in fact spoke first at the high-level segment) at the UNFCCC in Peru in December 2014.
Honestly, who needs The UN?
lol, ALL roads lead to... Paris
Maybe it is time for the Putin to pull all the stops out. Maybe a photo session riding a bear while bare chested or something like that?
I actually have the T-shirt....given to me by a Russian.
You prefer Obama riding amorous in the Choomwagon with Larry Sinclair?
It is never one idiot is better than another idiot. They are both idiots, and it does not make sense to use that as a defence.
Thanks for missing my point.
I will work harder on getting my point across in the future.
Watching the action on TV until the electricity goes off and stays off ....
Thanx for the reply. "Bancor" gives me something solid to read up on.
From your wiki reference:
<<Bancor would not be an international currency. It would rather be a unit of account used to track international flows of wealth. Gold could be exchanged for bancors, but bancors could not be exchanged for gold. Individuals could not hold or trade in bancor. All international trade would be valued and cleared in bancor.>>
When I read this, I immediately thought of the SDR. But I still can't understand why gold would not perform this same function more efficiently.
<<Keynes was able to make his proposal the official British proposal at the Bretton Woods Conference but it was not accepted. Rather than a supranational currency, the conference adopted a system of pegged exchange rates ultimately tied to physical gold in a system managed by the World Bank and IMF. In practice, the system implicitly established the United States dollar as a reserve currency convertible to gold at a fixed price on demand by other governments. The dollar was implicitly established as the reserve by the large trade surplus and gold reserves held by the US at the time of the conference.>>
I believe this was when the bankers who won WW2 consolidated their power; and that they knew this "reserve currency" was doomed to failure. They had to know that the "large trade surplus and gold reserves" of the US were going to change, and that change was unlikely to be an increase. Sure enough, shortly after the USD "reserve currency" was established, the US was looted of its gold so effectively that its bankruptcy was official by 1971.
WW2 destroyed Europe, and World Reserve Currency destroyed the USA.
<<Since the outbreak of the financial crisis in 2008 Keynes's proposal has been revived: In a speech delivered in March 2009 entitled Reform the International Monetary System, Zhou Xiaochuan, the governor of the People's Bank of China called Keynes's bancor approach "farsighted" and proposed the adoption of International Monetary Fund (IMF) special drawing rights (SDRs) as a global reserve currency as a response to the financial crisis of 2007–2010. He argued that a national currency was unsuitable as a global reserve currency because of the Triffin dilemma - the difficulty faced by reserve currency issuers in trying to simultaneously achieve their domestic monetary policy goals and meet other countries' demand for reserve currency.[2][3] A similar analysis can be found in the Report of the United Nation's "Experts on reforms of the international monetary and financial system" [4] as well as in the IMF's study published on 13 April 2010.>>
In reading this short synopsis, I'm tempted to jump to the conclusion that the bancor was only the precursor for SDR, and therefore just as doomed. Maybe someone more informed will comment. The Triffin Dilemma is not just a "difficulty", either. It is a key flaw in the whole reserve currency theory.
<<The point of the Greek tragedy is introducing a new international currency union (dollar 2.0).>>
Agreed, but good luck with that. The implosion of the current "Reserve Currency" is, I think, going to chill any attempts at resurrecting this idea for a few generations and maybe forever. People are only just beginning to see the collosal folly this was, and we haven't even had trials and executions of the principal actors yet. History will judge the Reserve Currency era very harshly.
I have to say, without reading much about him yet, this inclines me to view Mr. Varoufakis rather unfavourably. (Just because it sounds so very SDR to my ears.) But I don't mind reserving judgment, and waiting to see what kind of standard a new bancor/currency union would be based on.
"I immediately thought of the SDR. But I still can't understand why gold would not perform this same function more efficiently."
because gold has the inconvenient quality of being owned by too many common folk in the 2 most populous countries on earth.
while SDRs can be fully controlled by a small group of people who think they're smarter and more worthy than everyone else.
Since the outbreak of the financial crisis in 2008 Keynes's proposal has been revived: In a speech delivered in March 2009 entitled Reform the International Monetary System, Zhou Xiaochuan, the governor of the People's Bank of China called Keynes's bancor approach "farsighted" and proposed the adoption of IMF SDRs as a global reserve currency as a response to the financial crisis of 2007–2010. A similar analysis can be found in the Report of the United Nation's "Experts on reforms of the international monetary and financial system" as well as in the IMF's study published on 13 April 2010. (wiki)
Add the Greek FM to the list now.
It did come from Keynes. At the BW conference in 1944, he suggested using the IMF's special drawing rights (SDRs) as the new world currency. Washington shot him down though. That's how the dollar became the world's reserve currency.
I meant bancors, not SDRs. My mistake.
Its already running, and will be unveiled when Russia gets kicked out of SWIFT, or in May.
Either date means WOAR.
A few generations ago, these sorts of high stakes maneuvers by the west would have worked to promote our place at the top of the world.
Oh well, we had our turn and it was fun while it lasted.
>>>Oh well, we had our turn and it was fun while it lasted.
It was fun, wasn't it, being the indispensible center of the world economy, where even an average Joe could build a good life?
Soon, the flow of mail-order brides will be exclusivey outbound, so be sure to have those daughters study up on "world languages". A few basic phrases should suffice, such as "yes", "of course", "right away" and "when you are happy I am happy".
Shipping would be cost-prohibitive if calculated per pound.
They better get that high-speed rail working from San Fran to LA.
That way no food or extra shipping, overnight.
A modern Cali-gula Brothel Boat.
5 pieces of gold for 20 minutes.
Then control their diet.
@ August,
It was all Bubaki Ponzi Therater.
You mean KABUKI?
No, we all have Cum on our faces from the Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC.
You really have to hand it to American women, which is why that will not work.
Spoiled, rotten, entitled, obese American mail order brides? LOL
Not to mention their current army recruits.
http://neverfold.ru/img/05729a651fefd48c8a9c02eb040e0959.jpg
Why in May? I could understand it sooner only because things are happening so quickly now. Didn't they already complete a sort of clearing or test of RIFT (I don't even know its proper name) this month?
If you understand how SWIFT actually works, instead of how its portrayed, then the BRIICTS
development bank is probably the holdup.
In reality money only transfers between accounts at SWIFT headquarters, and what you think
is a cash transfer isn't. Its a receipt of those intra account transfers.
Balances on the accounts(if any) are settled monthly I believe.
Building an interbank network is not easy and I LOL at them being ready in May.
Even if you grab the SWIFT standards and mirror the message types etc, there are millions of man-hours building these systems. Its not something you just magic up overnight. Even with Russian programmers. My god, just think of all the crazy ass backdoors and exploits to be had. LOL
Second problem is getting everyone to subscribe. Its like making an app store for blackberry. No one is going to play in your sandbox. Its great that they will get Iran signed up and maybe China....the whole point of SWIFT is interconnectability.
The bottom line is if we cut off their SWIFT and credit cards, they and anyone who has money is complete toast. They know it which is why Putin-lite is on the teevees threatening. Bam has him and his boss by the short hairs and between them and the low oil price they need to invade Saudi Arabia to have any leverage at all.
I see I am getting some downvotes from the non-SWIFT users among us. :)
You are getting downvotes because your comments are nonsensical, reflecting some of the vindicitive stupidty commonly found among certain Ukie morons.
Let's say Russia was cut off from SWIFT and you took away their means to pay USD debt.... would that perhaps be a justification for defaulting instead? If Russia defaulted, can you imagine what would happen to the European and then Global financial system?
Remember 1998, when the system almost fell apart because of Russia debt blowing out Long Term Capital Managements spreads? Sometimes I just wish Putin would nuke Kiev, saving us from the Ukie mass psychosis.
1) Not Ukie, try Texas
2) Im short the market because its overblown
3) While I have a Russia wife, the Russians kinda asked for this....not by invading Ukraine (which I could give two squats about) but by not diversifying their economy and cultural reasons. They had plenty plenty of time to get involved in engineering and other non-oil producing businesses, but instead any oligarch that got two dimes to rub together bought a neon green Rolls and Miami apartment.
4) Not really interested in a global hug fest. The whole point of conflict is to remove the ability of your advesary to continue. Russia is helping Iran fund their reactors, is making mistchief in Syria and generally being pissants. If cutting them off from SWIFT and credit cards gets them to stop then so be it. I like the solution without the bloodshed.
Look at how much misery Saudi has dispensed upon them
Finally, even the threat of cutting them off freaks them out, so I know its effective.
So, a Texas moron who thinks he knows everything (from finance, to market, to electronic warfare, to international politics, to how the Russians think... and so on), when in fact he knows shit about shit ! That should explain well enough your spectacular debut today. Plenty of well deserved reds for ya. Wear them proudly ! Yhaaa...
Douche, when was the last time you were in Russia, or even talked to a Russian? What do you know about anything other than pulling your linthair out of your UK navel?
Debut? I've been here just about as long as you? And who elected you kind ZeroHedge? Are you one of the Tylers?
You ARE a moron, otherwise you could have easily seen that I've been here longer than you (slightly more active too...). Don't feel like giving you any explanations about my person, however that UK shit you pulled out of your brilliant brain is laughable (though not true). Nobody asked you to into the fight club, so don't let the door hit you when you get tired of spewing your BS around here... By the way, love your avatar ;)
So you're the Russia expert because you purchased a russian mail order bride? LOL
Cut Russia off from the SWIFT system tomorrow and most of the EU goes dark tomorrow. I wonder if German factories can run on candle power
>>wonder if German factories can run on candle power
The Germans created the Euro to compete with the USD. They also invited a lot of countries to their Euro party for less than above the board reasons. Im not too sure I really care about German factories....
Nice avatar.
Karlus, my apologies for insulting you by calling you a Ukie. In Texas, I bet thoses are fighting words... LOL.
Russia screwed itself by playing nice with the West and not diversifying their economy, but I'll bet they are working on remedying both of these short comings.
As for Russia helping Iran, it is not decisive. Iran is already cut off from SWIFT and miracle of miracles, they are still around. Think about this before drawing symplistic conclusions.
>>calling you a Ukie.
No worries. Wearing cowboy boots anywhere in the NE is usually a fighting offense.
>>not diversifying their economy
I sincerely hope so. With the resources they had they could create advances in genetics that we could never have here (for legal reasons) and they could also be leaders in Robotics/automation. Russia has a history of hard math and engineering unlike the USA where we fight over skin color and if Jesus is real.
>>helping Iran
Iran is an irritant, but when they get nuclear weapons (like north korea) its like switching the class bully's slingshot for a shotgun. North Korea (Chine) seems smart enough not to use them, but Iran does not seem stable. BTW, most of the Iranians I know hate the govt. I would love to see Iran buy blue jeans and iphones instead of this hard line Islamic bullshit we see now.
The Russian nuclear option, literally, is to sell ready-made nukes to Iran if the West kicks them out of SWIFT.
That will make Netanyahoo's brain explode, and make the new Saudi king shit his pants...
Turkey and Dubai are part of some gold banking 'network' system, but it's hard *impossible* to wire physical gold around.
You're also getting down votes from people who worked the operations, finance, and tech sides of SWIFT.
It's actually quite simple and secure to replicate both the SWIFT software and and the network. The difficulty would come in if/when direct application interfaces on non-secured (dedicated) workstations are introduced, and would be a version 2.0 headache if they are managing the roll out on a date driven basis.
Did you even read my post before tripping over the star and stripes wrapped around you ?
SWIFT is the central bank, and money rarely actually leaves it, betweens flows back and forth.
Cutting Russia off from SWIFT destroys the european banks, and cuts off their gas.
Doesn't hurt Russia much at all if you bother to think about it.
US inspired sanctions are fully an attack on europe, as much as Russia.
Scorched earth from a declining empire.
Did you read mine Euro-boy? Im point out that Russia building their own clearing house is not something easily done.
Good luck with your nat-gas
Knowing the EU needs Russian natgas in order to survive, you think they will cut Russia off from SWIFT anytime soon? Basically, you're spewing shit, which is why you got down votes.
Karlus. Don't give away the great secret of new wealth. I was praying RIFT would allow us hackers to find a door to siphon off a couple hundred million to Cyprus then Caymans then Switzerland then... and then to transfer into gold and sail off only to have a disastrous boating accident.
putin should take it up with bis, hes no idiot he knows how the rothschilds system of global enslavement works.
Thanks, Bulldog. I keep getting the distinct feeling that everything is already set up and deals / major players already decided, and we're going to wake up one morning soon to some kind of official international announcement of a new system already in place. It all seems so imminent, as if there are just a few last orders to be filled, and all this uncertainty dissipates at the highest levels into certain knowledge of what's just around the corner. It's like watching dark clouds gather overhead, like the first drops of rain as they're nailing in the last few boards on Noah's Ark. So I keep prodding, trying to find out what`s really going on, because I am convinced there are some out there who already know, are now positioned, and are just waiting for the right time. Something about all this (Grexit, Eurasian Alliance, RIFT and BRIICTS, along with the growing disarray in the Anglo-American Axis) is starting to seem controlled to me, even scripted.
to Renfield's question,
I wanted to add the Economist's January cover-messages - note the two arrows with "11.3" and "11.5" - perhaps the latter numbers reference some intentions for that month. . . with March setting the stage for the "outcomes". . .
just watching the signals, reading the tea leaves. . .
Man, YOU don't comment often enough. That cover freaked me the hell out even before I looked at your link, and that was only because I recognised the Fabian turtle, saw it as a symbol at the time, and wondered why it looked so alarmed, like a little soldier at the front of the line. That is an amazing piece of art even if you don't see symbols throughout; and if you do it's like a sinister coded warning. Very interesting link, a keeper for my files.
(The 2009 "bottom" of 666 indicated a lot to me at the time. It was so noticeably artificial, and in-your-face; it's how I've come to believe these people think.)
aye, "they" communicate with numbers, and use dates to match - for me, that's always the tell. that "11.3" arrow is the anniversary of Fukushima, 11.3.11, a day or so before the Uranus ingress into Aries, very potent.
while I'm here, strap in tight for March - from middle Feb. onwards pretty much "anything" can happen and it wouldn't surprise me, but as we near the middle of March, Mars will cross Uranus in Aries - Mars in its rulership, the God of War, with Uranus the great de-stabiliser. . . they will both be squared (90dg angles = sharp tensions, resistance) by Pluto in Capricorn, and that's the sign of the Fathers, its about monies/power/the Throne, what has been built and accumulated/hoarded.
early May has less planetary action, but what might be "set loose" in March might be "consolidated" in the Taurus (steady bull) month. a check of certain nation's histories, and what is "celebrated" in May might prove of interest for those curious. . .
me? I just watch. take care!
I'm actually glad you brought that 11.3 & 11.5 stuff up.
My account wasn't active when The Economist article came out so I couldn't comment, but when I saw that part of the illustration my notion was to look at those dates in HISTORY to see if anything significant happened. Here are some things I came up with (anecdotal or otherwise):
11.5
- 330 AD Constantinople (Byzantium) becomes capital of Roman Empire
- 1189 AD Holy Roman Emperor Frederick I Barbarossa & 100,000 crusaders depart Regensburg for the Third Crusade
- 1421 Jews are expelled from Styria Austria
- 1502 Columbus begins 4th & last trip to "Indies"
- 1812 British Prime Minister Spencer Perceval is assassinated by John Bellingham in the lobby of the House of Commons, London.
- 1867 Treaty of London drawn, concerning Luxembourg
- 1891 The Otsu Scandal: While visiting Japan, Prince Nicholas (later Tsar Nicholas II) survives an assassination attempt
- 1931 Credit-Anstalt, Austria's largest bank, fails, beginning financial collapse of Central Europe
- 1943 Hermann Goering division in Tunisia surrenders
- 1949 By a vote of 37-12, Israel becomes 59th member of UN
- 1958 US performs atmospheric nuclear test at Enwetak & Bikini Atoll
- 1960 John D. Rockefeller Jr, American financier and philanthropist, dies of pneumonia at 86
- 1962 US performs atmospheric nuclear test at Christmas Island
- 1972 John Lennon says his phone is tapped by FBI on Dick Cavett Show
- 1983 Comet C/1983 H1 (IRAS-Araki-Alcock) approaches 0.0312 AUs of Earth
- 1984 Transit of Earth as seen on Mars
- 1989 217th & final episode of "Dynasty" is aired
- 1995 In New York City, more than 170 countries decide to extend the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty indefinitely and without conditions.
- 1997 Deep Blue defeats Garry Kasparov 3.5-2.5 in chess
11.3
- 537AD Goths lay siege to Rome
- 1513 Giovanni de' Medici chosen Pope Leo X
- 1669 Volcano Etna in Italy erupts killing 15,000
- 1789 Benjamin Banneker with L'Enfant begin to lay out Washington DC
- 1897 A meteorite enters the earth's atmosphere and explodes over New Martinsville, West Virginia. The debris causes damage but no human injuries are reported.
- 1918 Moscow becomes capital of revolutionary Russia
- 1935 Hermann Goering officially creates German Air Force, the Luftwaffe
- 1938 Artur Seyss-Inquart replaces Kurt von Schuschnigg as Chancellor of Austria; German troops also entered the country
- 1953 American B-47 accidentally drops a nuclear bomb 15,000 feet on Mars Bluff, South Carolina; it created a crater 75 feet acrosss, but the nuclear core did not detonate, due to 6 safety catches
- 1972 OPEC threatens "appropriate sanctions" against companies that "fail to comply with . . . any action taken by a Member Country in accordance with [OPEC] decisions."
- 1974 Mt Etna erupts [again]
- 1975 USSR performs nuclear test at Eastern Kazakh/Semipalitinsk USSR
- 1977 Moslems hold 130 hostages in Wash DC
- 1982 Menachem Begin & Anwar Sadat sign peace treaty in Washington DC
- 1985 Mikhail Gorbachev replaces Konstantin Chernenko as Soviet leader
- 1986 1 million days since traditional foundation of Rome, 4/21/753 BC
- 1988 British pound note ceases to be legal tender, replaced by one pound coin
- 1996 The EU Database Directive is passed.
- 2004 Terrorists explode simultaneous bombs on Madrid's rail network ripping through a commuter train and rocking three stations, killing 190
- 2011 An earthquake measuring 9.0 in magnitude strikes 130 km (80 miles) east of Sendai, Japan, triggering a tsunami killing thousands of people. This event also triggered the second largest nuclear accident in history, and one of only two events to be classified as a Level 7 on the International Nuclear Event Scale.
Don't they need SWIFT to make loan payments? :)
May 11th to be precise!
Zorba is scared....Please don't hurt Zorba..mean Russian man.
he know they need no fucking SWIFT...
"knock it off Pyle..."
Why hasn't Russia launched a massive cyber and economic attack on US interests? Either they can't (unlikely) or won't (they like the status quo).
If 16 guys from a cave can trump tens of trillions of dollars of defense spending with boxcutters, I would not putting limits on what others can do.
So NORAD is going to stand down again.
'tis the reason Cheney got a new heart.
And Reid got a new eye.,....they probably plucked it from a new born
infant and told the parents it was born that way.
People still believe that fairy tale? Stunning.
I gave it an if.
I was just try to juxtapose the 2 extremes upon which the comment was made. I dont believe for a second the official story of that days' events.
Got it. Carry on and carry.
I met Atta and one of the other guys a few days before 9-11 in Miami. They were some angry guys. I asked the big guy with Atta where he was from and he walked up on me and made a shank motion at my heart. I studied the arts and it was close enough that I reacted fast to block the blow, damn near made contact, the guy obviously had training too so if I had made contact I might well be dead . I always doubt official stories but I can assue you the "cave men" were real.
The illusion in US "full faith and credit" is about to have a baby that's Gold in color , half Russian and half Chinese.
He probably mellowed out after he had his weekend in Vegas and got laid. I guess when you meet all those virgins, someone has to know what to do....
Just kidding.
You probably had a shock when you started hearing stories and recognized him/them...
hey, don't oversimplify, it took a lot of smart jews to get that done.
Barry's doing what he does best - heading for the links...
Russians are naughty... (especially that Putin guy) we (USA) are glad to be OUT of the shadows of Badness!!!!
Sigh....
Fuck yes. A plain-speaking Russian.
Otherwise, Gents please be judicious, In speaking about SWIFT there are several codicils that might hurt you in various jurisdictions.
I'm not sure what he means by "unlimited," but I have no doubt that Obama is dumb enough to try and find out.
You know even putting on the most bloodless, ruthless, sociopathic, Kissinger-esque realpolitik glasses I can possibly envision, these people in Washington are still holding onto a burning stick that's already set half their arm on fire.
Picture this. Putin / Russia is already selling Natural Gas Oil & perchasing massive amounts of Gold with US Petro Dollars.
The BRICS have agreed & are setting up its own Credit rating Agency & central banking system.
China is no longer buying worthless US Bonds / Treasuries. Now imagine the following scenario. Russia / China dump Criminal Fraud UNITED STARES, CORP. INC. Asset Holdings & Treasuries.
Now the Criminal Fed can print & buy up those Assest Holdings. However, they cannot print foreign currencies & buy up those Trillions of Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. Fiat Dollars which will flood our shores & collapse the Ponzi Scheme.
Viola!
the fed they can still get the ECB and JCB to print, for now. although im hoping in your scenario they both go the way of switzerland.
What would be REALLY fufunny is if Putin was buying all that gold in rubles.
Bwhahahahahahahaha! Love to know if that's been happening.
"Some stupid Austrian" probably.
"The Freedom Party!"?
Any who...POTUS is going to WOAR no doubt...thats what the whole Saudi thing was about in my view...we'll see if the Russians call the bluff and launch a full scale offensive in Ukraine.
The President has never once not backed down when confronted with the real deal...kinda worrisome if you think about it. " this might be the one time he doesn't."
Not that he has said he is looking for a peaceful resolution ironically.
What choice does Russia have at this point really? They look like they're getting rolled here big time. If they fail to attack they could end up with an uprising.
Whatever happens I'm sure we'll all be "surprised" of course.
"No Russians in Ukraine.". Bwhahahaha. " At least not until they are in Kiev itself and EVEN THEN....
Cello!
Couldn't the Ruskies just use the TBTF laundrobanks. I'm sure they would be more than happy to oblige for a nominal fee.
Not to go all fonestar, but Russia and Iran should just go straight to bitcoin. They will eventually wind up there anyway.
Nonono, Lite Coin. I mean Dogecoin!
The Putin already came out pretty against the Bitcoin idea.
But I do like the idea of disruption. I have a feeling it will be the norm around here anyway.
"The Russians don't threaten. They act." -- Dimitry Orlov
"The Russians saddle their horses slowly, but ride fast."
-Otto Von Bismarck-
When the Ruble falls off of the horse, Russians will party for a few months before creating the "New Ruble" and getting back to work. Just like 1998. They have been thru the currency reset dance before.
All this sabre rattling is just that. The only people that are going to lose out in this are not the Russian people, but the Russian leaders.
What you are seeing here is leaders starting to panic. When you are holding trip-kings, you dont freak out at the table (maybe you do as a bluff?)
Downvotes from Russian bond holders? Guys, you shoulda sold this garbage last year.
Protip: Sell your German bonds now
A better protip: Fuck Off !
>>A better protip: Fuck Off !
Nice to hear from the Greek debt guy too
Well to be fair, he is a genious...
"These Russian winters really suck" - Napoleon
"So now warm Netherland cut off gas to you!"
Makes more sense to give Kiev all the gas it wants does it not? A little late now of course.
I would definitely be digging in if I were Kiev.
mauripol looks like a sitting duck to me.
Of course turning that City into another Leningrad probably wouldn't go over well. House to house, street to street?
The whole "we come as liberators" is lost to me.
"...and how, Spanky."
_Adolf
A description by an unnamed Russian officier, of what would happen in the case of confrontation between Russia and Ukrainian army (or any NATO army, for what matters) - from fortruss.blogspot.com :
"I want to briefly explain to the Ukrainian colleagues, what is the modern Russian army, and what would happen, if it would come to visit them in reality, and not in their wet dreams.
Firstly, today we use digital radio communication with local encryption. You can intercept it, but you cannot decipher it. The code changes in 50 minutes, an hour, an hour and twenty-two minutes - on arbitrary unpredictable schedule. Ukrainian military and the armed forces of Novorossia are using an old analog model, which you can listen to. And the Russian army now has communications which was previously only on secure communication lines, - you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur.
Secondly, if the Russian army appears in front of UAF, it will be easy to determine.
The first sign - failure of all means of communication, full discharging of batteries in vehicles, tanks and other equipment, at the same time, discharge of batteries in mobile phones, the targets, and radio stations. Then, there is a rapture of electric circuits throughout all the equipment - all of it. This is EMP. All engines stall, no way to restart. This is how the system "X" works (in order to protect the author we do not specify the name), with a range of up to 20 km.
Second - complete failure of all systems using LCD monitors, the failure of all target-locating devices of the air defense system. This is how the complex "Altair" works (this is a known complex in the world, we can name it).
Third - a failure to deploy any kinds of guided missile weapons - from MANPADS to PTURS [anti-tank guided reactive missile]. Upon launching, the ammunition liquidates itself.
This is a battalion complex "Z" - on the basis of MTLB [multi-target light armored transporter]. Range - 15 kilometers.
Fourth - it is impossible to use a drone and low-flying aircraft. Their on board electronics will fail. This is system "Y". Then there is a complex "Avtobaza", which can forcibly land a drone.
What will happen next? Dozens (hundreds, if necessary) of the latest combat helicopters, flying over all the roads, start hunting for single armored vehicles, trains, cars. Railroad is paralyzed, bridges blown up. The lights go out on the home front - electric stations are out of service. Civil and military headquarters on the home front and separate leaders simultaneously are liquidated by the recon-subversive groups.
This is roughly how the Russian army would conduct military operations today."
... This is roughly how the Russian army would conduct military operations today... against ANYBODY who feels like trying (a necessary note...).
You mean like this?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40222.htm
Wow.
heh, yeah, like that. . .
March, particularly first two weeks. be very surprised if something memorable doesn't occur.
Not easy to generate EMP large enough to fry stuff. You would also need a bunch of them to get coverage. Finally most milspec stuff is hardened against this stuff. Yeah, iphone 6 would fail, but mil electronics is kinda chunky and rough looking for a reason.
Russians think they can throw some EMP and make everyone go all analog, but it doesnt work like that.
Finally, if they pulled that shit here, most redneck 'murricans would be hitting Expedia booking flights to the front lines (in Russia) to beat ass. America has the worlds largest standing army....in the midwest. Ask any white dude there how many guns he has or ammo. Now ask your typical Ruskie...
Russian military is a joke and always has been. Its been awhile since they lost a sub, I think they are due
Best to try to get along rather than bet against Russia in a war. Nobody wins. I guarantee Russia will not accept defeat. No matter how wonderful all our hardware is, you lose in war. Everybody loses in war. I haven't seen Russia try to land troop ships on our shores yet. I'll worry when that happens. In the meantime, no point in having a war.
And I'll bet you will be on of the first red blooded Murricans on the Front line Karlus, carrying your M 16 yelling hoorah!! sarc off/.
If it ever gets to that point, I suggest that you bring along your SPF5000 and Asbestos suit, and hope your children have 2 legs, 2 arms and a single head.
Seriously, this kind of macho posturing serves no one, and there is nothing glorious seeing your buddy bleed out on you. Better Jaw Jaw than War War.
You're so exceptional! Enlighten us, oh mighty warrior of the greates standing army.
When was the last time the US military won a battle without complete air superiority and close air support? You got your asses handled to you in Afghanistan AND Iraq, and you talk big about going againt Russia? Russia is the reason you're not speking German right now. And they did it without firebombing Dresden.
There's a reason you only invate third world shitholes. It seems the great warriors of the midwest drop their weapons and grab a bible at the first sign of an enemy puting up a fight.
As to going to fight the ruskies, your real enemy is at home. But you're to fat and stupid to realise it. So you once again volunteer as cannon fodder to do your master's bidding to try and destroy the byzantine civilization. Guess what, you're going to fail. Again.
I seem to recall a famous meeting of the minds in 1939, wonder who those two minds were? I also seem to remember a certain pact that came from that meeting, must just be my imagination. Are you machiavellian by trade or by ignorance? What kind of person takes pride in the prowess of their occupying government's military industrial complex? Also I seem to recall Russia having some issues in a certain mountainous middle eastern nation, it's known as the place empires go to die for a reason.
No one besides the new world order types who will have orchestrated the damn thing would benefit from a world war, who cares about the my daddy's nukes can beat up your daddy's nukes minutiae.
Two of your arguments are refuted with one sentence. Russia is not the USSR
About the meeting you refer to. Stalin, like Hitler was put in power by the Good Ole Boys of western finance. You sure know who Lev Bronstein was.
About Afghanistan in the 80's, your boy Brejzinski gloated the US lured the USSR into the conflict. So imagine my mirth in swing the US being chewed up by the monster it itself created. And if you think that following the Charlie Hebdo farse, the west will kick the ragheads out and everything will be peachy, like Rupert Murdoch has indicated, just wait until the west's newest (rehashed)-creation, the Ukrainian nazi is the one shooting in Paris.
Russia is not the USSR, but I repeat myself.
I was referencing your initial point about Russia saving me from speaking German, and eluding as to how absurd it was. Just like the NVA was a western banking establishment creation as too was the mujahideen, I'm certainly not in the habit of defending either.
And the jab about Brejzinski being "my boy" is pretty low, it's like I said I'm not on either team east or west. I have no representation on either team as they aren't real just like Russia isn't the USSR, Americans (at least those of us who are awake) aren't the US federal government or it's military complex.
I'm nothing more than a chattel serf with a free mind who is attempting to degauss his own programming. As for Hebdo I'm very aware of what a staged joke that was, just today the suicided police chief's wife was denied an autopsy report.
"I'm nothing more than a chattel serf with a free mind who is attempting to degauss his own programming."
That is a great statement. It is like waking from surgery. Reality is all around you but recognizing everything is difficult and slow.
Do you have a link on the autopsy report story?
I guess you better git over there and show 'em karlus.
He would, if it wasn't for the goiter.
>>He would, if it wasn't for the goiter.
Last time I checked you guys had a bit of a problem with all of your Muhammeds.
You mean we found the growth in the US ?
Why are you all over here shilling such a fallacious anti EMP argument? Why is this specific point so important to you?
One high altitude detonation over a few key locations would disable the entire east coast grid, not to mention the possibility of conventional or cyber attacks on grid targets.
The link is an example of RUS tech, and you still believe they haven't moved beyond the cold war? The whole point is that no matter what the neocons and machiavellianists say, for the average American and Russian a US-Russian military conflict would mean certain death as such is the reality of MAD. We need to move beyond that insane 'show them ruskies' Fox news based delusion post haste!
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
So the Ruskies would deploy an EMP and then still need three seperate weapons systems to defeat LCD screens, MANPADs, and drones.
That seems outright silly.
Just trade in gold and get it over with.
A lot of people and countries don't have gold so Russia uses their convertible fiat's to buy gold. Without the intermediate currencies trade with Russia would be stymied. Effectively Russia does trade in gold, but through intermediary fiat currencies.
swift defined; an agency (of transfer) for the ww banking crime syndicate.
Desperate THUGS do desperate things and Vichy DC and the Puppet Enterprise that is the EU are in their Final Death Throws.
Armed & Dangerous.
Please SHUT OFF the GAS and watch how important SWIFT is in the Grand Scheme of things.
If the Russians already have deployable, targeted EMP as part of their arsenal, why the fuck is the Ukraine still functioning?
Sorry, don't believe it.
Targeted EMP....no such thing. You need a lot of juice like 1.21 gigawatts or a nooklear detonation to get one big enough to fry things. But the range sucks, so you would need to do it over and over.
This is not Command & Conquer where the Russians build a bunch of Tesla coils
But if you had a way to do it, would you be out there telling everyone how?
Just stop now. Because you are way out of your depth. And you are now looking like the fool I thought you were when I read your first post. Both sides are working on exactly a weapon capable of delivering an emp pulse to an area, and if there is one thing history has proven, what one side develops, the other steals through espionage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-electronics_High_Power_Microwave_Ad...
Standard Disclaimer: And you wonder why people downvote the uninformed? Those not even capable of using google and the phrase "targeted emp"?
>>Just stop now.
Ok engineer? How would you power this? And what range and yield would you expect to get?
From your article:
desired in situations where one target building needs to be engaged and shut down, while not affecting the buildings around it.
One building?
I am going to stop....the application for this is limited at best. Having a large EMP weapon requires big power, like a nuke. Even then, you need multiple atmospheric EMPS generated by nuclear blasts to be effective. If it comes to that, the Tridents will be involved.
Bottom line: EMP is not an effective weapon in the theater
Pulse EMP, you moron... Stop making a fool of yourself. You've been already very convincing...
Putin could use an actual nuke.
Get the pulse AND the explosion.
If he misses the ship he still finds out how good the electronics is. "Finish it off with an airstrike."
http://www.boeing.com/Features/2012/10/bds_champ_10_22_12.html
Here is the boeing design for high energy emp cruise missile design but no the russkies could never do this... TOOL
Your seriously ignorant they can be powered a number of ways, conventional explosives for one..
"Targeted EMP..."
Who needs an EMP when you can just hack our electricasl grid?
I'll see your 1.21 gigawatts and raise you an explosively pumped flux compression generator, it beats a Hollyhoax flux capacitor any day (I might play the vicarator next hand...).
Yeah...but do you have an Interocitor?
Should be obvious to anyone. Despite the incessant bullshit from Kiev and our MSM, the Russians are trying their best to avoid a war up to this day. The fact that russian-speaking Ukrainians have been murdered in droves and have been continuously threatened with being burnt alive or stamped on like beetles by zionists like PM Yatsenyuk and Igor Kolomoisky on their national tv no less for months without an equal military retaliation from Moscow should speak volumes about their resolve and patience. No doubt the separatists are getting aid and volunteers from the federation, but no overt actions have been taken which can't be said about NATO.
The sad fact is, most of the msm are going to feign surprise and outrage when the Russians do go all out. Our governments in the West and their puppet masters are at de facto war with Russia. An economic and proxy war for now, but that could change in a milisecond - all of their proposals for peace have been rejected, they are being attacked financially on all sides to starve their people, yet they are portrayed as the aggressors daily by the mainstream media. I've put myself in their position, and I reckon their patience since 2013 have been super human. By taking the military option, the Russians must know that they are doing exactly what the State Dept has wanted all along - a war in Europe - a war that could engulf the whole world, and I pray they have some other way to deal with the bankrupt psychopaths leading us to armageddon.