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"Paid To Wait"? Microsoft Tumbles 10%, Destroys 4 Years Of Dividend Gains

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Why but bonds when you can buy stocks that earn a higher dividend? "it's the risk, stupid!" Microsoft is down around 10% this morning, the equivalent of almost 4 years of dividend gains... still wanna get "paid to wait."

 

 

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Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:47 | 5710529 SirTaxedAlot
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Yes. I can wait.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:49 | 5710536 ukspreads
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Where do you want to go today? 

UP please 

Too bad !!!

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:50 | 5710555 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Windows 8 is GODAWFUL. Glad to see everyone finally noticed.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:53 | 5710576 NoDebt
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Agreed.  Windows 8 was a little-noticed but big contributor to the "death of the PC" in my opinion.  People went to tablets just to get away from that crap.  They don't even know why they need one, except that they can figure out how to surf the web and check their email on a tablet.  On a Win8 PC?  No idea how to even use it.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:00 | 5710603 WayBehind
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When you know what is coming, you jump the ship and buy a basketball team ...

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:09 | 5710659 GeezerGeek
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Microsoft finally realized that Windows 8.0 was a millstone around its neck. The automatic update feature of said OS now upgrades the system to Windows 8.1 automatically, and that version allows one to boot directly to the desktop so it is possible to pretend one has Windows 7. That's OK, because MS will rise again once its hololens gains widespread acceptance. BTFD!

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:29 | 5710792 Long-John-Silver
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Every other version of Windows sucks. This goes all the way back to Win-3.0. Win-8 sucks so bad Microsoft is giving away Win-10 to everyone with Win-8. For whatever reason Microsoft is skipping Win-9. Technically Win-9 should have been a good (usable) version so obviously Win-10 is going to suck historically speaking. Personally they all suck which is the reason I've been using Linux since Win-98. I never upgraded to the usable update of Win-98 Second Edition because Linux was so much better.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:17 | 5711082 cigarEngineer
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In a world of alternatives, Windows is the best alternative. My Windows 7 uptime is regularly weeks, I can run VMWare and make clones of operating systems in a minute, i have no issues, and all software is written for it. Linux is great for servers and admins, but for power users, Windows 7 and XP beats Mac and L/Unix any day. To truly innovate, one must fail early and fail often to succeed sooner. MSFT would never have been able to make XP or 7 without the lessons and feedback from older versions.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:14 | 5711363 cheech_wizard
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>My Windows 7 uptime is regularly weeks

Back when I worked for SUN Microsystems, my Solaris (Unix) uptime was 7 years, until I deliberately crashed it so I could learn how to analyze core dumps.

> Linux is great for servers and admins, but for power users, Windows 7 and XP beats Mac and L/Unix any day.

ROTFLMAO... Define "power user". Seriously, define how you understand "power user" for everyone.

Clue, and it's free... Show me a single company that designs the very systems/microprocessor chips you are using on your PC, that wasn't designed under a Unix/Linux operating system.  

You are not a "power user".

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:46 | 5712640 nufio
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my mac reboots every fucking day killing all my apps .. its impossible to get an uptime of 2 days with my MAC. 

My win7 laptop fares much better.  My ubuntu box at home has significantly more uptime than my win7 box at home because of the patches that need rebooting everyweek.

I hated the Win8 UI though. 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:20 | 5711107 seek
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The behind the scenes rumor is that many, many third party software packages determined the OS they were running on by looking for the "Windows 9*" (e.g. Windows 95, 98) pattern in an API string, and Windows 9 would cause the apps to break.

Slackware user since kernel 2.2.6 here, but sadly I have to deal with MS technology for professional reasons.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:34 | 5711804 karutzar
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#9 is cycle end, the ending of some enterprise. Logically they omit win9 for that will be end of Microsoft as a company. Though I don't believe that win10 will save their asses as OS company. It'll not be end for Microsoft, but as leader of OS they'll be not the #1. Beside all they lack of harmonic design (like Apple) - windows has been always ugly looking OS. Hope soon they'll go in flames and some Linux-Apple like OS will take their place.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:08 | 5712742 deja
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*duplicate*

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:09 | 5712743 deja
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They're skipping Windows 9 because the version 9 identifier within the code was already used for Windows Millenium. I hope that's not an omen for Windows 10 >.>

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:26 | 5711143 KnuckleDragger-X
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Windows 8 is a big money maker for me. I can spend hours trying to figure out how its fucking the clients system up.....

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:28 | 5711146 seek
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I agree, NoDebt, but it's slightly more nuanced.

Tablets were already a thing, and they were growing, so MS decided they needed to make windows more tablet-like to preserve share, in turn destroying the differentiation of PCs and pissing off the existing client base and nuking 10+ years of training investments. By destroying differentation through making windows more tablet-like, they managed to make a $700 PC act like a $200 tablet, and of course if a tablet is smaller, cheaper, and does the exact same fucking thing as the bigger, more expensive PC (because they fucking broke the PC!) guess what people will buy?

I've worked with MS for decades, and the company was visibly starting to break down internally around the Win 7 time frame, and as far as I can tell it's being run by back-office types and not engineers or technologists of any type, so some really bizarre decisions get made.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 15:22 | 5712117 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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I worked FOR Microsoft for a decade and I can tell you it's a seriously screwed up place. It's an engineering culture so their answer to everything is to add new features. They surveyed people about what they wanted to do with Office and >90% of the features were already there. Contrast that to Steve Jobs, who put himself in the user's chair and asked "how can I make this is simple as possible?".

I created a multi-billion $ business for them, a partnership with the biggest payments company in the world to embed them inside IE, Gates loved it but Ballmer overruled because he wanted a search deal with eBay (and eBay owns Paypal). Screw Bitcoin, MS would rule right now if Ballmer hadn't arm-wrestled Gates down.

Recently management said that salespeople should spend a minimum of 50% of their time on external meetings. That means >50% was being spent on internal meetings and ridiculous internal online sales tools that change every quarter

Windows rules everything, that's why MS mobile sucked so bad, try putting the Windows code base inside a phone

Eastman Kodak

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 00:40 | 5714582 StychoKiller
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Windows is suffering from "feature-creep," Microshaft keeps adding "gee-whiz" stuff that no one needs onto the desktop PC.  The wife's new laptop is trying to emulate an iPhone!  Really, WTF?  If she didn't need windows to use the Medical records access software for work, I'd wipe Windows 8.1 off of it and replace it with Kubuntu Linux!

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:14 | 5710683 silverer
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About three years back I was seeing that the efforts to combine a desktop with a phone or tablet was going to be annoying.   They really are two distinct hardware platforms, and my opinion was that you only had to have a simple bridge between the two, not a friggin expressway.  Because there exists real reasons why you have both in the first place, and you can't make one like the other.  Attempts to do so cripple each machine and actually decrease productivity.  Microsoft as you all know tried it with Windows 8, and Apple jumped on the bandwagon as well with Mavericks, and even more so with Yosemite.  Apple's last best OS is Mountain Lion for a desktop, and Windows 7 for Microsoft.  They should have stopped there, and refined them slowly.   But they just can't help themselves, can they??

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:36 | 5710825 Sisyphus
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Fuck tablets! I remember reading articles stating "how tablets are going to destroy the PC business". Yes, it happened for a few quarters maybe, then the tablet sales stalled. The funny thing is people will first buy a tablet; then they will buy a wireless mouse and a keyboard; then they will want a bigger screen and connect it with a monitor. Finally, after spending all that cash they well realize that what they needed was a laptop or a desktop. Fuck following the herd!

http://www.decryptedtech.com/editorials/could-windows-8-destroy-the-pc-m...
http://seekingalpha.com/article/837531-microsoft-surface-will-destroy-pc...
http://techland.time.com/2013/02/04/how-the-tablet-came-to-disrupt-the-p...
http://www.enterprisefeatures.com/2013/06/how-the-failure-of-windows-8-c...
http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-one-event-that-destroyed-the-pc-industry/

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:05 | 5710973 Disc Jockey
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Those people were idiots to be sure but tablets do have place i feel as media based platforms. Im currently typing this on a Nook HD+ which i hacked and loaded Android on it using CynogrenMod.

Love it. Ive been able to get back into reading since my line of work makes it prohibitive to bring large numbers of physical books with me. Ive already completed a number of fairly lengthy books i might have never read. 

It aslo acts as my "newspaper" of sorts in the morning with my hot beverage in the other hand. 

But as a full PC/Laptop? You're right never happen. Its a back if the hits the fan if nothing else though.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:42 | 5710851 James-Morrison
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I thought combining a refrigerator with a toaster was a good idea.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:05 | 5711011 Grouchy-Bear
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:)

I like it!

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:44 | 5710858 nuubee
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You can combine a tablet interface with a desktop, but you either have to make the desktop a touchscreen, or perfect the gesture interface.

When we perfect the gesture interface, then yeah, most bets are off at that point and I can easily see the tablet interface, or even an environmental interface (think 3D scene where you can interact with everything) becoming useful.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:48 | 5710877 NotApplicable
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I was sad when Ubuntu did the same shit with their Unity interface. Nothing like having a tablet interface on a 21" monitor while using a mouse instead of a touch-screen.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:50 | 5710556 Headbanger
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Horry fuckashit!

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:16 | 5711701 me again
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Sweet. (comment on article itself).

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:16 | 5711704 me again
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Sweet. (comment on article itself).

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:59 | 5710539 Pool Shark
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Windows 8 anyone?...

My old laptop died a couple weeks ago; had to buy a new one.

Spent a lot of time researching/comparing different models and went well out of my way to buy one that had Windows 7 on it.

I have been using PC's since before the IBM 'PC' was invented. I even used to assemble 386 and 486 machines and write custom applications for my old engineering company. I'd like to think I'm somewhat computer savvy, but in my current profession I don;t hae time to mess with hardware and programming; I just want a simple system to run my very specialized apps.

After 25 years of using Windows, Microsoft thinks its a good idea to completely redesign the interface with Windows 8 & stop supporting Windows XP (the last decent version of Windows).

Who at Microsoft thought this was a good idea???

I have neither the time nor the inclination to re-learn my operating system interface.

 

FUCK YOU, MICROSOFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:02 | 5710618 Leopold B. Scotch
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7 was an improvement on XP....

8, on the other hand....

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:12 | 5710679 Grimaldus
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At work I am still running WIN NT boxes to control some old shit in the lab.....NT never crashes. Just runs and runs and runs. Win OS's went downhill big time after NT.

Nowadays I also go out of my way to find whatever hardware loaded with WIN 7 pro 64 bit. Fuck WIN 8 and 8.1 and fuck you MS.

Grimaldus

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:37 | 5711199 thistooshallpass
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"7 was an improvement on XP...."

 

Very much agreed, especially aftering disabling UAC. My colleague had XP on his machine until recently and I told him it must be personal or a just a cruel joke. He didn't really get it.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:39 | 5711205 rbg81
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After I installed the free classic shell, I've had no issues with 8.1.  In fact, I luv the quick boot time.

Also, if you shit your pants every time a stock goes down 10%, you shouldn't be playing the Market.

And, no, I'm not Bill Gates.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:03 | 5710622 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Just learn Linux and become a terrurrist, you won't regret it.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:18 | 5710654 cowdiddly
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And if your new just load Linux Mint 17.1.  Simply awesome and self explanatory. No virus, Load programs on the fly with no reboot. Daily support.

Im a Crunchbanger meself. Boots in 4 secs on an samsung sdd drive

And don't forget to donate a token or too for the development team.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:54 | 5710931 NotApplicable
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I often recommend Mint to people. Debian is also fairly user friendly these days.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:04 | 5710632 Pheonyte
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"FUCK YOU, MICROSOFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

There's a better way to say that: Linux.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:08 | 5710662 RadioactiveRant
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You don't even have to learn Linux, Mint has a user friendly interface and you can install basic software at the push of a button. Fuck Gates, Ballmer, and the NSA.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:43 | 5710853 Long-John-Silver
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Building a custom App in Linux is also a breeze. There are so many modules out there now you can build almost anything you need, compile it, and have an App ready to go in a couple of hours. You don't really need to know how to write an App. Just build around the modules and go. You'll actually spend less time compiling a new App than trying to learn how to use some fucked up Microsoft program that never really does what you need it to do without spending hours on end trying to configure it to your needs, if you ever actually accomplish that. 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:42 | 5711195 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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It took me two hours yesterday before I realized that Explorer 11 has (apparently) two different GUI front-ends, the less obnoxious traditional interface and the GODAWFUL new one. A website requiring Silverlight wouldn't even load with the GODAWFUL interface. That's right, Microsoft doesn't even support its own software.

I wouldn't have bothered with the self-inflicted torture except my mother-in-law needed to access a company's website that required Silverlight. That company is owned by Buffet by the way (go figure).

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 16:40 | 5711756 JuliaS
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I work as a sysadmin. The choice of OS in a business comes down to software. Companies like Microsoft care too much about an "OS Experience". In the real world, you don't interact with the operating system. It's an environment in which you run programs and the less you notice the OS, the better. If applications exist for linux - fine, linux it is, but if there's even 1 essential package that only runs on Windows, then the chances are it'll have to be Windows everywhere. Licensing is a big component. Had to set up a firm once where all the software seemed to have a linux counterpart, but the licensing dongles that had to go into the USB ports did not have linux drivers. Sure, the manufacturer eventually added support, but the firm couldn't wait for months for the software to catch up. Went with Windows. Dual boot? Well, that means dual amount of work and extra spending. I've only worked at 1 firm where dual boot was the standard and only because of highly specialized distributed computing software that they ran.

I absolutely hate Microsoft. I hate dealing with their support staff in India that completely refuse to cooperate. Corporate licensing is a total pain in the ass and they keep coming up with new convoluted rules.

When you talk to them, you feel like you're speaking to lawyers instead of technicians. Everybody has a procedure from which they aren't allowed to deviate. They can only quote previous solutions. If something hasn't been said before and rubber stamped by the legal teams as: "Confirmed to not make things worse, cause data loss and result in a class action lawsuit", they will not say it.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 19:18 | 5713365 IronForge
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Pardon - rather not turn this into a Linux Lovefest; but since we're kicking M$FT's Crappy OS in this thread, I'll toss in my $0.02...

I'm not a SysAdmin; but spent a good number of years Dualbooting Windoze and Linux.

I needed Windoze on the Front End for my Apps (Included Financials - ultimately meant data dump/reporting in Spreadsheets).  I tried Virturalization via Virtualbox awhile back; and it worked quite well.  If you haven't done so, I recommend taking a quick look - it may reduce the number of dedicated Windoze Servers that you'll have to maintain.

    These may help.

 

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 01:22 | 5714670 JuliaS
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Dual boot for personal needs is fun. In a business environment it means double overhead. There has to be a real justification for it. The only company where I encountered it as standard handled heavy floating point calculations. During the day employees modeled physical phenomena through a user-friendly windows interface, and overnight their models would be crunched on a Beowulf cluster. Computer would automatically log into linux and become a mainframe cell for a couple of hours.

Linux may be cheap or free, but sysadmins are not. Linux infrastructure requires a larger IT staff, while a Windows environment can be easily managed by a single individual for up to 100 active users or so.

I manage a 30-employee firm part time and can afford to dedicate majority of my time to non-IT work. Taking over somebody else's setup is also easy in Windows as everything is pretty much standardized. Linux, Unix and Irix systems are often so heavily customized by their admins, figuring things out without a predecessor present on site for weeks is absolutely impossible. If a linux sysadmin quits, you might as well shut your doors or start over.

I've been doing IT work on and off since early 90's. I'm personally familiar with most systems that existed throughout the period, and regardless of how I feel about Microsoft and Windows personally, I still believe in them being the most practical and least headache inducing for small to medium size companies...

... but in the end I'll repeat - it's not about the OS, but the soft. No company I know makes money simply "running windows" or "running linux". OS is just a shell and it works best when you don't even notice it.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:30 | 5710798 GeezerGeek
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You mention the reason why leaving Windows can be a problem, especially for businesses. Many specialized apps will not run on anything else. In fact, many older apps will run on XP but not anything newer. Lots of companies are or were stuck with XP for just that reason. Same held true with Internet Explorer 6, which became sort of a standard for web developers to aim at. Both, however, outgrew their usefulness. XP (32 bit version) is useless on modern PCs because it can't use more than 4GB of memory. XP/64 bit was much more capable but not widely adopted. Further, both XP and IE6 were filled with security gaps. They had to go. But there are still applications out there that won't run properly, or at all, on newer OSes. I solved that by running virtual machines for XP/32 and XP/64 (yes, I have had both, and much more; few match my geekiness where computers are concerned). Win7 was fine (I'm only familiar with the Ultimate version) and Win8 was so bad for PCs that, as I noted earlier, it is now automatically upgraded to version 8.1, and 8.1 allows one to boot into the desktop directly. Add a Start Menu replacement and you can pretend to be running Windows 7.

Linux is fine for many users (this is written on a system running Ubuntu 14.10) but can pose a problem for businesses. It doesn't support MS Office (LbreOffice is not 100% compatible in my experience) and there are probably still web-based apps that require, or at least run better on, the latest Internet Explorer versions. Linux is my primary user-mode OS. When I want to do techie stuff - write programs, in particular - I go back to Windows 7 because I know .NET better than other development languages. As Microsoft moves more .NET stuff to be compatible with Linux, that may change for me. Picking up Linux, as far as the GUI is concerned, is easy for someone with your background; your biggest problem will be in choosing which GUI to use.

And for the really hardcore, there's always FreeBSD. CLI forever!

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:03 | 5711006 NotApplicable
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One thing I am noticing though, is that enterprise software is moving away from Java/Tomcat to .Net.

Personally, I'm seeing several million dollars worth of software purchases happen.

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 00:53 | 5714620 StychoKiller
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I find that Kubuntu Linux is an acceptable substitute for Windows XP.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:47 | 5710541 PrayingMantis
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... wait until micro soft ...

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:48 | 5710538 NoDebt
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What?  It's only 4 years.  I could do that standing on my head.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:47 | 5710544 Lax Accounting
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Que all the folks who say unrealized losses aren't losses until you realize them....LOL

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:07 | 5710648 BlindMonkey
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Really? I never realized.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:17 | 5710705 DeadFred
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If you bought on margin those unrealized losses are real losses in the eyes of your creditor.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:03 | 5711004 DrNybble
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...and that "realization" comes quickly with the first of those margin calls that require REAL money. :-)

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:50 | 5710547 Dr. Engali
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Probably one of the few signs of a free market left. Microsoft is a piece of shit company and they deserve to be down 10%. Actually, forget that free market comment , it should be down much moar.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:08 | 5710650 Sisyphus
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Like IBM, Microsoft is filled with Indians (dots not feather; rayciss, maybe?)

Their demise is only a matter of time.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:08 | 5710660 BlindMonkey
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Giving away unlimited cloud storage for Aszure customers has to be a winning play too. They are going to chase AWS into the ground.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:42 | 5710850 Disc Jockey
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But Doc! How will all the pussified man-children get their Halo on? 

X-box bitchtez...

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:48 | 5710548 847328_3527
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Wait, this is Bullish, right ?

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:50 | 5710549 Dexter Morgan
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My life is orders of magnitude better since i 86'd Microsoft from my life.  I never thought I'd buy a Mac but I love it. 6 years later and still no virus software, plus I haven't lost 100s of pics from a crash/lockup.  Fuck you Bill Gates!  (But then again my iPhone is a direct link to NSA). 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:52 | 5710569 LawsofPhysics
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We have many servers that control many things (i.e. chicken house temperature water food etc.).

Up until apple actually put a REAL operating system (UNIX) on their machines, everything was driven by an IBM.  Now everything is a MAC, off the grid, in a closed network.  yes, people still need real computers to do real work, the operating system must be dependable and easy to replicate.  As for fucking toy computers, who fucking cares?

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:24 | 5710752 DrNybble
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As most of the H/W in an Apple computer is the same as a PC (HD,mem, DVD, CPU) the only real difference is the OS.  If Apple put UNIX on their systems then they are no longer an Apple computer but have joined the real world.  UNIX is UNIX regardless of the platform.  But I guess some people feel superior with the Apple logo n their machine.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:51 | 5710903 James-Morrison
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That's a UNIX book -- Garth.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:57 | 5710589 giovanni_f
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Apple is its own virus.

signed, NSA

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:04 | 5710628 bnbdnb
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Quit downloading porn and you won't have any of these issues.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:48 | 5710883 Long-John-Silver
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PC's with preloaded versions of Windows (all versions) come with viruses already installed.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:04 | 5710638 DrNybble
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Wow!  6 years as a handicapped computer user.  You sure can put up with a lot of "pain".  Good luck in fighting that addiction.  I hear "there's an app for that".

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:06 | 5710647 redwater
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I run both. They both suck balls.

 

I can attest to how awful OSX Yosemite is:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-yosemite/id915041082?mt=12

Two-and-a-half stars is about right.

 

I recently built a fast Windows PC: with dual SSD drives, fast video card, and 8-core chip.

Worked great the first month.

Every update brings a bad suprise and quirk. 

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:21 | 5710732 bearwinkle
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I am staying on Mavericks - Yosemite's *new* design is horrible, it looks like someone in kindergarten used crayons to draw it, even the new fonts suck! I also run win 7 for other projects I support but it sucks too. I did an reinstall last week starting with the win 7 sp1 disc and then did the update and it was 189 files to update! It took 8 hours to download and it rebooted numerous times during the process - what a piece of bloated crap. I been running linux for my servers since 2004 and update them every two years or so  and they just run and run with little to no problems.

 

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:28 | 5710782 giovanni_f
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+1 for linux.

 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:52 | 5710880 silverer
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Yosemite warning for Mac users of laptops and Mac minis:  if you only have 2 GB of RAM in your machine, better not upgrade to Yosemite unless you've budgeted for a RAM upgrade.  You'll need 4 GB at minimum, 6 GB preferred if your 2 GB has been doing OK with Mountain Lion or Mavericks.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:50 | 5710887 GeezerGeek
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The best way to avoid lengthy reinstalls with Win7 (includes Server2008R2) or Win8 is to use the built-in backup procedures. Win7 Ultimate (and Server 2008R2) have backups of the entire OS available through Control Panel. It allows one to restore a system to the exact state it was in when the backup was created, OS and all. Win8 had it (Pro version) but 8.1 and 8.1Pro removed it from there. They did, however, leave a utility program called wbadmin that allows the exact same backups to be made (works in Win7 Hoime Premium too). Because I'm constantly screwing around with my computers' OSes and software, and don't necessarily trust MS updates, the backup feature has saved me tons of time (not to mention reducing stress levels).

Linux is fine, and you're correct that it is easily ignored. Hope you fixed your SSL problems recently, though. It's a curious thing: everyone assumes Open Source software is great. Few realize just how few eyes have looked at critical pieces of open source code, however, so we end up with problems like Heartbeat. The meme that open source equates to thoroughly vetted and tested is wrong.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:21 | 5711089 silverer
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I'd put the anti-virus in.  It's free and supported.  Open source you have ClamXav, which you can run anytime you want.   Sophos offers a free supported automatically updating program for Mac.  It doesn't interfere with software installs, and does nothing annoying.  But it works.  You can even have BOTH in your machine at once, if you run ClamXav manually.  So far both programs have detected malware, which was written to run on PC's, so it was good to get them out of my system so they wouldn't be passed on to a PC.  Almost everything bad has ridden in via mail.  If you use Firefox, I highly recommend using NoScript.  Once you set it up, it's wonderful.  It will block a lot of bad stuff without being annoying.  It's also free, available right from Mozilla as an add-on.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:41 | 5711827 malek
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I got the chance to work on Macs two times:

- In 2003 I used the iMac of my sister. The effing standard mouse had no right mouse button - how do you then access the context-menus? After 6 weeks I accidentally discovered that you open the context-menu of some apps by holding down the "left" mouse button for 3 seconds.

- In 2009 my sister had persuaded my mom to buy an iMac 5,2.
It worked pretty good, up to the point when I tried to configure the included email program to use IMAP and the implementation sucked balls.

Thanks, but when I want stuff that works 90% of the time and runs on Intel, I can get the same for 30-50% less money in the PC world.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:49 | 5710552 LawsofPhysics
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Let me be clear, fuck em!  Although it does appear that ZH is definitely "bottom calling" again.

easy money (which is the entire problem by the way).

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:06 | 5710639 Soul Glow
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This is the worst I've seen the economy yet, never mind the leading indicators of the stock market and what have you - the economy is stuck in a shitstorm of epic proportions.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:49 | 5710557 Soul Glow
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BTFD, you'll make it back in ten years.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:10 | 5710657 Ignatius
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Yeah, just like the Japanese haven't.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:51 | 5710563 wrs1
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Two years ago MSFT was 25, dividends and capital gain have been really good if you sell now.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:00 | 5710599 Rainman
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Guess so. MSFT has been the poster child for share buybacks at $40 Billion .... 2008-2013

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:51 | 5710571 franzpick
Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:17 | 5710608 DrNybble
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Yup!  A feeble attempt was made at about 8:50 or so but became only a minor blip.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:55 | 5710583 franzpick
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NDX is leading the way down, minus 93, off 2.17%, knife-catchers not even suited up:

http://www.investing.com/indices/nq-100-futures-advanced-chart

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:57 | 5710586 madbraz
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Biotechs down 0.3%, WTF????

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:01 | 5710612 Fun Facts
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MS has no products worth buying.

If they did, you can't charge $100 for an app today, there are great apps for free or for $1.99.

So the MS business model has failed. While Bill Gates was busy plotting to depopulate the world, IOX, Linux and Android have eaten his lunch.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:12 | 5711059 silverer
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I guess you have a good point there.  When the competition gives away for free a better OS, you know you have an issue.  That's the problem with having a monopoly for so long.  Microsoft developed without competition.  With no competition, you have no input to guide your product.  The same reason nationalized companies fail.  Government does not put competition into its equation to do anything, so the product and company will eventually become an inefficient dinosaur.  Check out how nationalized Big Oil is doing in foreign countries like Venezuela.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:55 | 5711279 Sambo
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Chomp chomp chomp.........

 

 

 

 

Burrp.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:00 | 5710615 williambanzai7
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Microsuck

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:01 | 5710624 ArtOfLife
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Still up >20% in the last 12 months. 

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:04 | 5710629 Infinite QE
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MSFT is done. Apple is soon to follow, unfortunately. Yosemite upgrade has awakened many Apple devotees that it is probably time to move over to Linux. Timmy Cook is a joke.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:18 | 5710711 Sisyphus
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Actually, they should have called it "Yosemite Geyser Shit" instead--http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yosemite%20Geyser%20Shit

The OS is that awful.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:45 | 5710856 GMadScientist
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LOL at vision of granny attempting to install Gentoo on her iPad.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:05 | 5710635 XRAYD
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Wait till the "seniors" who have bought stocks for yield find out about this, as it hits other companies - the one the Fed has pushed into risk - once the "free" money lunch is over for Wall Street.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:12 | 5710670 Pullmyfinger
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The chips appear to be falling into place this morning to verify that IBM rumour (denied) about laying off an astounding 100,000. Personally, I believe the rumour, given all the others solid indications swirling about. Just wait a month. The dollar will paradoxically continue to rise, prompting the Chnese to finally abandon its own dollar peg.

Dedollarization causes 'Strong Dollar' effect causes Deflation causes China de-pegging causes overnight onset of American Hyperinflation. It's one minute to midnight; do you know where your gold is?

(removing soapbox)

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:16 | 5710694 Smegley Wanxalot
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IBM will HP those 100,000 layoffs ... which means they will do it in increments until 100k people are off the payrolls, and they wont need to take the charge all at once.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:19 | 5710721 Pullmyfinger
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If they were to actually lose control of stock pricing, that option will evaporate on a cloudy Tuesday afternoon.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:06 | 5711024 silverer
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80% profit concern, 20% public relations, and another 100% of what the government tells them to do, so they can candy coat the unemployment numbers.  (It's not 200%.  It's 100%.  Add it up again...)

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:13 | 5710686 Smegley Wanxalot
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A world without Microsoft would be just another day in paradise.

Sadly, though, Microsoft still exists and the world sucks more as a result.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:33 | 5710809 Pullmyfinger
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Take heart. Digital computing is actually in its senescent stage. The next level is back-to-the-future analog using high-speed wave-prints in the context of 'theremin' feedback. Real Artificial Intelligence here we come (after the collapse). So while I'm profoundly pessimistic about the near term future with its fascist phase of marching morons, a profound economic collapse will also clear the path for an American Renaissance.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:20 | 5710730 GMadScientist
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"Looks great through the hololens while I wave my dick at Kinect though." - Kramer

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:23 | 5710741 kowalli
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windows 8 is a shit...

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 11:46 | 5710864 Panic Mode
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Mycocksoft

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:03 | 5710998 cashtoash
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I did buy 4 years ago at $25. I guess it is time to sell

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:04 | 5711015 epwpixieq-1
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A proud Linux user since 1999.

For a good tech person knows the difference. Linux is Freedom, but as with any Freedom comes the responsibility of knowledge and self reliance.

Let one try (even thinking) of running Windows on embeded system, and one will quickly start to realize the difference.

IoT is build on embedded system.

EMP is priceless, for clears all tech problems :)

For everything else there is Linux!

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:47 | 5711226 Monty Burns
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+100.

To my shame I'm too lazy to use iLinux even though I am/was a tech guy.  You should try Windows 8. Like it was developed in a lunatic asylum!

MS should announce they're firing 50,000 and the stock will shoot back up.  That's the way it is in this crazy system.

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 14:15 | 5711695 combatsnoopy
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Microsoft 8 and Vista are both acts of domestic terrorism.  

I've used the green or blue screens before.  Linux, um.... I live in a tech heavy state during a job depression where the morons run everything, which means they don't what transferrable skills are (ie. ERP can be JD Edwards, SAP or Oracle)..  Then add stupid recruiter ghetto monkey at various staffing companies as a middle man to lose the deal.  I only suffer loss of wages because of their actions.   It doesn't matter what my GPA is, or that I'm very strong with Excel (although Google Spreadsheets have proven to be superior already, just using a cloud in lieu of krap bandwidth nation which proves how bad Microsoft is already).   I'm not brown, black or nepotistic white creepo so I'm out of a lifeline in their entitled society that they already ruined with their socialist krap.  They can't even tell you if Salesforce is a version of Access or Excel?  God forbid that anyone knows what a Series 7 or a CFA is- (everyone in NYC knows!)

And to think, the monopolies, the red tape, comcast bandwidth "speed"- and whatever the boomer Utopia of fascist socialists could get their hands on to destroy. 
Ballmer is going to ruin the Clippers that he overpaid for in the same way he ruined MSFT.

10 is too much like MSFT 8, 13 has neat features on Excel that I don't need.  Both compromised their quality and integrity with gimmicks.  

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 12:47 | 5711242 sidiji
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well, it did go up from 38 to 48 in 6mo prior, before falling back to 42.5 today...context

Tue, 01/27/2015 - 13:50 | 5711555 kchrisc
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I said a few years ago that Micro$oft is a dead company walking, as it was only a matter of time before China came up with their own OS for themselves, and Asia.

I do believe that China did announce that they were working on doing their own OS in 2014, so we will see what happens to Micro$oft in 2015.

Micro$soft: Dead company walking.

The banksters need to repay us.

 

Most companies grow overt time into voracious, and thieving, monsters. Micro$oft was born that way.

Wed, 01/28/2015 - 01:18 | 5714671 StychoKiller
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"640K is all the RAM anyone should ever need." -- some Microsoft visionary

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