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Russia May Condemn "Annexation" Of East Germany
Who says the Russians, increasingly isolated by the west (Europe and the US threatened over the past 24 hours to escalate sanctions yet again) and increasingly more welcome by China, India and the rest of the non-western world...
... don't have a sense of humor? Days after the speaker of the Russian Duma, Sergei Naryshkin, faced scathing criticism of Russia's
annexation of Crimean peninsula when he spoke at the Parliament Assembly
of Europe, he has come up with a novel suggestion when he asked a committee to study a proposal to condemn the reunification of Germany in 1990.
The logic: (unlike in Crimea) there was no public referendum to merge the two nations, which in turn goes to the legality of the most powerful nation in Europe, a nation, which however as the following maps demonstrate, is still quite divided in most aspects despite over 25 years of unity:
More from DPA:
Russian lawmakers said Wednesday that they will discuss a proposal to condemn West Germany‘s "annexation" of East Germany.
Sergei Naryshkin, the speaker of the State Duma, ordered the lower house of parliament‘s international affairs committee to look into the proposal from a Communist Party deputy, Russian news agencies reported.
The deputy, Nikolai Ivanov, said that the committee should prepare a declaration that condemns the annexation of the German Democratic Republic by West Germany. "Other than in Crimea, no public referendum was held in the GDR," Ivanov said according to the Duma‘s homepage.
Moscow made Crimea a part of the Russian Federation in March, after a controversial referendum that was condemned by the West for being held under the presence of Russian troops.
Naryshkin has said that it would be wrong to compare German unification with Crimea.
"By the logic of those who call (Crimea) an annexation, you can easily say that the Federal Republic of Germany annexed the German Democratic Republic," Naryshkin said on Sunday. He added that Russia was against such logic, the RIA Novosti state news agency reported.
East and West Germany unified in 1990, one year after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. The unification was explicitly approved by the Soviet Union and the Western allied powers who had overseen Germany‘s partition during the Cold War.
And, if that fails, there is always the matter of the Confederate South...
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And, if that fails, well then it can always be revised
Yeah..
That ticked me off back then when the West Germans brazenly invaded East Germany and then occupied East Berlin as if it belonged to them or something.
Maybe he can also declare the Berlin air lift an act of war.
This is but another chapter in the book called "reductio ad absurdum."
I'm going to need a much larger supply of popcorn.
Why deosn't Putin demand the return of Alaska too?
Oh wait... I think he actually did that once.
You mean the bear-trapper state the Czar sold ? Maybe the Us could raise the forced rent on Gitmo from $2000 pa......after all Putin paid much much more for the lease on Crimea
Seems the world has become a 4 axis power base-
Amerika - Fascist with a tin layer of American Flag
Russia - Rock n Roll Communist
China - Dollar Store Communist
Europe - Economic Fascists
Between the four squabbling and fighting millions will be squished under their tyrannies as they fight and jockey for position...
Gee - if it was only that easy... like in a video game. But it's not.
America an Europe are both a conglomeration of interests corrupted and used by multiple outside parties.
Someone want's the U.S. to go to war with Russia - very badly. Someone that owns the media and congress. Any rational person can observe that few leaders in eather country desire war - both prefer the ongoing political chess games for oil, not direct confrontation.
This article is from March 11th:
Greece to commission feasibility study for Mediterranean gas pipeline
And this article is from yesterday (Why no western press mention??):
Russia, Turkey announce new gas route with hub in Greece borders
This is essentially South Stream diverted from Bulgaria to the northern tip of Turkey. It makes both the planned NABUCCO pipeline and the massively-expensive pipeline to transport Israel's Leviathan gas to Europe almost uneconomical. Both of those pipelines only makes sense if Russia is cut completely out of the market.
Nobody is allowed to fuck with Israel's pipeline plans or gas gold-mine. Lebanon and Palistine will remain in ruins. Syria is on it's death-bed. Losing control of Greece was a black swan - something they either completly failed to consider or assumed the banking leash would restrain 'properly'.
Is Russia allowed to interfere with Israel's future gas profits? No way in hell. Time for Israel to get their money's worth out of bribed U.S. congressmen. Time for Nettanyahu to trot out some of those stolen W54 nuclear pits for a little mischief. This time their only option is to nuke something in Ukraine to provoke a war. Their last false-flag - MH-17 - was a god damn flop and dismal failure. They're getting desperate and that always makes them sloppy. The only thing they have left to work with regarding Russia is some Ukrainian Nazis, a few U.S. military commanders in their pockets and the Blackwater/Xe/Vehicle Services assasins in Ukraine. Well, that and the W54's.
I might be missing something in Yemen that would work for them, but that's only to provoke a war with Iran. Which they would love to do if their future Leviathan profits weren't threatened. Best not to distract their American bitches with Iran for now. Russia must be destroyed first if Israel is ever going to monetize the Leviathan. Iran can wait.
No, I don't assume Russia can so easily be destroyed by anyone, ever - I'm simply guessing at the unrealistic psychopathic assumptions of madmen. Remember, it took Russia to destroy Russia in 1917 and it took the Soviet Union to destroy itself in 1991. Foreigners' track record for destroying Russia is... well, rather dismal.
My guess is that ZATO is REALLY going to fuck it up this time helped along by Israeli's many agents in the U.S. intel community. They'll be busted and loose control of the narrative. Twitter is bigger than CNN. Killing whistleblowers won't work - it will be too late. Israel will go full retard this time.
I can't complain about Naryshkin slapping the west in the face with their own hypocracy, but Russia has much bigger fish to fry right now. Putin certainly is aware of Israel's scheming and manipulation of the U.S. perception of Russia for their own ends. I don't expect him to act directly, but he has to do something soon.
What's the Judo chessmaster's plan? You know he has one - that's what he does.
How about the theft of Hawaii?
Hey! We didn't steal it. We couldn't convince the Queen of Hawii to give it to us (ungrateful natives!). The fake U.S. lawyer running it a few years after an illegal U.S.-backed coup d'etat 'allowed' Hawaii to be annexed. The U.S. didn't know it was stolen - we just found it on eBay and assumed it was legit.
The U.S. would have held a referendum for annexation, but Diebold didn't exist at the time. Besides, the U.S. didn't want those illiterate natives to vote for anything - it would cut into their indentured servitude hours on the pineapple plantation.
there is so much merit to this article. Ignorant dickheads in the west dont even realise that Crimea has been a part of russia for nearly a century longer than gernmany has been a country (1783 vs 1871)
@Paveway IV
I think their is Liberty Juice for the french fleet in the gulf. Well under radar. I ran Charlies Liberty Lunch. ;)
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Looks like they've been busy along the way:
SNMG2, FRENCH NAVY ENGAGE IN MEDITERRANEAN SEA DRILLS
Hmmm...
+1
@Paveway. Noticed your posts some time back and should have given you a thumbs up ages ago. Consistently great comments mate.
Oh... um, thanks - but none of it is really original.
Most of it I just copy and paste directly from the 4chan Furry board.
Annexation is only ok when the Chosenite parasites say so.
the charts make it clear
step 1 for a healthy east german economy: eliminate farmland
step 2: more immigants
"A Russian doesn't take a dump without a plan son."
Excellent take Paveway, agree +100
Never go full retard.
OK, what was I missing in this part of the story:
"... unified in 1990, one year after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. The unification was explicitly approved by the Soviet Union and the Western allied powers who had overseen Germany‘s partition during the Cold War."
Seems like the Russians *did* approve it. This is stirring the pot. Also rather weird, given that Russia is trying to attract a "looking eastward" pose. Gawd, all these countries are Sybil, "Which personality will I get today?"
Perhaps Russia should re-review the Alaska purchase?
Personality disorder?
Just wait until the US collapses into Oceania.
Oh, hold on a second... what did I miss?
That was the USSR silly, not Russia.
Is it too much to ask that you people keep your collective absractions straight? I mean, otherwise, you're undermining statism, the very foundation of our existence!
Oh, and I'm still ruling Emporer of the Known Universe. Please leave your tribute at the door.
+1 Hail N/A, Great Emperor, Protector of the Humanwealth!
Under duress. Nostrovia, bitchez!
And NATO agreed to not moving up to Russia's western border. Seems like one side can renege on deals and the other not>
Of course USSR approved it. And that's the point of their argument. They got paid pretty well for their approval and they want to pay for the approval of annexation of Crimea and maybe eastern Ukraine.
I don't understand how you can annex somebody who votes to be a part of your country ? Hawaii voted to become the fiftieth State; did we annex them ?? I must have missed that part.
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While not ruling out rare and exceptional cases, in general I believe it is not possible. A vote to join a country prior to the actual attachment would be part of the process of accession (opposite of secession), not annexation. For example, Crimea and Sevastopol seceded from the Ukraine and acceded to the Russian Federation.
Yes. The Kingdom of Hawaii was overthrown in 1893 by the Committee of Safety (also known as the Annexation Club) and in 1894 became the Republic of Hawaii. In early 1898, a treaty of annexation narrowly failed a ratification vote in the US Senate. To get around this failure, in July 1898 the US Congress used a joint resolution (the Newlands Resolution) to annex the Republic of Hawaii. Thus it was the annexed US Territory of Hawaii which voted in 1959 to become a state.
It happens sometimes. So you can sleep at ease.
West is a stupid shit.
Skull and bones organization runs the world, of which most high money men are members. Politicians are the useful idiots, except the president of the most powerful military who must obey directives, and whose military is funded by money printed out of thin air. Foreign nations MUST accept the USD, or be bombed/invaded/pillaged/isolated/detroyed.
Rockefellers and Rothschilds and all their members truly are satanic. Dot gov has morphed into a mob organization. Junk away, or do your own research and think for a moment, "how the heck can I go into any major metropolitan city in the US and find ample drugs?" You gotta wonder just how these drugs are entering the country. There IS a large organized delivery machine in place. So who is doing it? lol.
Western "elites" are not very smart either. Too much inbreeding, apparently...
Maybe that's just a bit too easy .... please tell WHO is pulling the strings for the West (and is a stupid shit) ????
there was no time to vote, they broke down that wall and got drunk
If only Hasselhoff spoke Russian...this never would have happened
It looks like communism worked. Look how environmentally friendly the east side is! There's no infrastructure, garbage production is lower, and there are more farms.
No infrastructure in the East? You do not have the slightest notion! It's the best infrastructure in Europa - the West-Germans finanlly payed a couple of trillions euros for the East... Take a look at Leipzig, Dresden or Rostock and compare it to Duisburg, Gelsenkirchen, Hannover or the like... Then you will find out...
Umm... you don't have the slightest notion about satire, it appears.
Tit for Tat looks like.
If we squeeze Putin anymore we may succeed and laying off another few million Merikans.
Known in political circles as a "win-win."
No infrastructure in the East? You do not have the slightest notion! It's the best infrastructure in Europa - the West-Germans finanlly payed a couple of trillions euros for the East... Take a look at Leipzig, Dresden or Rostock and compare it to Duisburg, Gelsenkirchen, Hannover or the like... Then you will find out...
Second that. The roads in eastern germany are much, much better. The east is full of no speed limit autobahn, the west has low speed limits due to poor road quality.
The west germans complain they are spending all their money rebuilding the east, but in reality they stole the economic infrastructure. Then the government taxed the people and spent in on private contracts in east germany building top quality infrastructure.
what a scam...
Interesting comment thanks. Easier to understand the rise of PPPs in recent decades...we did just fine in a number of countries building great projects before this scam.
Kind of like San Francisco and the rest of California.
Kind of like San Francisco and the rest of California.
nuu
And let's not forget the ancient history of that Great State of Texas?!! But it was destined to be ours cause it all started and ended in our minds that is with the Alamo!
But I digress... The American people really don't care when it's not there property being robbed or lives taken. It's been that way for far too long! Now the wake up call from the usual suspects in Washington!...
Just how do we rally the taxpayer to pay for and be involved in a war that will more than likely kill most all of them this time ending the great experiment in representative democracy?...
Wouldn't it be super if these people that have been busy building bunkers with their money took those same resources to rebuild the very government they funded that is the reason for them building those bunkers in the first place?
Gotta wonder sometimes!
How soon we forget?...
That and what happens to you when you don't tow the party line in the Anglo-American establishmment!
What happens? You start pimping investmentwatchblog.com? Son of Alexmark2013.
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You worried that there may be some truth to what he is saying in that vid?
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No worries brotha!!!
I didn't "down arrow" you as there is no need to!
Isn't it funny how that thing in Paris and this latest thing in Tripoli always leaves a nasty trace you can really never get out?!!!
We just got rid of 3 automated bots that were spamming that link in every fucking thread every fucking day. I don't fucking care if it has the directions to the holy grail, the pass code to fort knox, and free sample coupons for romulan fucking ale. FUCK INVESTMENTWATCHBLOG.COM in it's fucking ear.
FUCK INVESTMENTWATCHBLOG.COM in it's fucking ear.
Gotcha!!!
So "The Fort" is having troubles DDOSing it!
Vous etes La "surveillance state"!
surely just coincidence.....
Didn't Hollande also say it was the work of the Illuminati or something like that?
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'Rebels capture Nazi commander who has been shelling civilian targets, especially schools and hospitals, and murdering women and children en masse' is more accurate.
This is foolish.
The former DDR needs help. Lots of it.
Stupid former East Germans though -- don't have kids. Which I cannot understand at all.
your fault. you grabbed one of their girls and refuse to have children yet with her ;-)
note how few foreigners there are, in the former DDR. and how many "far right" exponents. strangely, it's common for those provinces that have the least foreigners to be the most against them
it's obvious, the solution if for more immigrants into the east, it will solve all their problems :-)
Nothing strange about it. I grew up in a "free state" in the US where there were absolutely no blacks (especially after sundown). Most racist place I've ever lived (other than Japan). Now I live in a former "slave state" where blacks have always been a part of the population. They are far more integrated here at all economic levels.
Honestly, it's just a part of tribalism, and the cultural familiarity it provides. Outsiders are different, and thus, not completely understood, so it engenders fear of the unknown.
Yes, blacks are more integrated into society in the South. It is too bad that more Northern blacks don't go back to the South to live. They would be much happier there than in some Northern inner city ghetto.
"Naryshkin has said that it would be wrong to compare German unification with Crimea. "By the logic of those who call (Crimea) an annexation, you can easily say that the Federal Republic of Germany annexed the German Democratic Republic," Naryshkin said on Sunday. He added that Russia was against such logic, the RIA Novosti state news agency reported. "
LOL. How... cute. I note that Mr. Naryshkin has a good way with words, telling one tale for the mind and one for the spirit
Now, let's see if memory serves me well: Germany had to co-opt Italy and France against the UK (and in part the US), including a promise to participate to the EUR, and paid Moscow tons and tons of money for the privilege of re-unification. Lots of those costs were of course for the pleasure of paying the disturbance of the Red Army and their unit's relocation back to the Rodina
so yes, any annexation or re-unification in Europe is driven by the diplomacy of having to appease the others for the "disturbing" act, and often contingent to many excuses, bows, promises and caresses... and often lots of money
perhaps Mr. Naryshkin will profit from this commission's study's results, and will note that there are lots of amends to be done because of Crimea. independently from the fact that Uncle Sam is pushing, pushing, pushing, if he wants the Western European's ears he needs to listen to them, too
the whole Ukraine thing needs a peace conference, asap and badly
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Seriously though, it's a bad move politically. Just stick to prying Greece free of the EU and rebuilding it - that's more than enough for ZATO stooges to chew on.
Okay, now people are just being stupid. Well, they were all being stupid before, now they are being stupiderererer.
Economists in training.
Brilliant.
This also strikes at the heart of the Maastricht Treaty. It really is an existential crisis for the EU. Not Europe. Or Europeans. The EU government.
France agreed to allow Germany to unify if they adopted the euro. Russia agreed as along as NATO didn't expand. Nothing about what was agreed to in 1990 makes any sense any longer.
Germans, just peace out of the euro. Your exports will be hurt for all but a couple of years.
France and Italy and actually the BeNeLux, too. and they, including Germany, those six all kept their promises
on the other side, the UK and the US pushed, pushed, pushed for NATO enlargement, and kept promising a EU membership as a sweetener, which was frankly disgusting
but your proposal of going back to the pre-1990 status quo won't work. and I don't see a majority of Germans for leaving the EUR
No but France and Germany and Italy could leave NATO
Germany is leaving NATO through the back door already by reducing the German army.
Sandmann, what a teaser you are. And the UK? And Poland? And so on?
btw, is there something in the British waters that makes people look at a map and plan carving ups?
There is something in The City of London that smells money and influence - that is why Deutsche Bank funding the Berlin-Baghdad Railway and having a subsidiary called British Petroleum upset the balance in Caspian-Black Sea Oil and in Anglo-Persian in Iraq so Germany had to be brought to heel
I've read that the politcal issues surrounding the building of the railroad were supposidly resolved shortly before WW1 but the Treaty of Versailles removed ownership from Germany. Hmmm
Yeah - there be monsters on the other side of the channel.
Remind me when it was they voted on it in a public referendum ? I seemed to have forgotten. Of is only what you "see"; significant ??
So glad you're in the small minority that know the Euro was created by blackmail; by and for the purposes of French / Belgian Socialists. (not name calling; card carrying members of the Socialist party). @ Catullus
East Germans would love to go back to the great life of the Soviet occupation..there was so much food....and jobs..and lifes refinements....those Russians sure know how to run a country...oh and the cars...they were so cushy..to die for
Ah but its different this time.
All the pulling for a team that is BRICS vs Anglo-American is obviously completely different to pulling for Red/Blue team at the domestic polling booth. Fortunately we're only given two options when voting on anything otherwise some of us might get stupid ideas about sovereign independence, cultural independence, economic self sufficiency and debt free money...we might even disdain a BRICS sanctioned multi-polar as well as the current "uni-polar" world because it contradicts our sovereignty and national self-interest (how disgusting).
thanks, but no, thanks. I'm too old now to help cute DDR "Republic Fleers" (Republik-Flüchtinge) crossing the border. adrenaline is a bitch, when you have to stay calm and sit quietly
Already happening elsewhere so why not expect more of the same everywhere?
David Knight interviews polish refugee, Bert Pachulski who says America is very rapidly becoming like the Soviet Union he once lived in over 60 years ago.
The gentleman is once again reluctant to travel, after feeling the old regime, he's watching us accept it in new nations.
http://www.infowars.com/video-polish-refugee-warns-of-communism-taking-o...
no wall these days, except to keep palestinians caged and that's twice as high as the berlin wall.
You conflate Soviet USSR with Russia
Soviet was never a Russian construct
look who invented, financed and overrun...research cheka
from 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control
even Kruschev and Breznev were Ukraine nationals
Funny how nature do that.
Russia is a Great European Power and has been the key to Europe for centuries......it is why France and Poland and Germany have always tried to invade repeatedly.......just as France repeatedly invaded the principalities which became Germany in 1870.
Russia only entered western areas of Europe after being invaded or having its buffer states violated. Britain and France attacked Russia in 1853 because of Jerusalem !!!!!
But they enlarged their lebensraum in WWII, when pushing the borders towards west. It was by chance, wasn't it? And this enlargement from WWII we now see in the failed state Ukraine.
Look for things to heat up in Albania and/or Macedonia. Greece is likely to connect to Turkstream, and Serbia, Slovakia, Hungary, Austria and Italy were pi$$ed that Southstream got canned. The only thing keeping them all from being connected to Turkstream are two tiny countries ... Albania and Macedonia.
So should the U.S. just take Albania and Macedonia over directly, or is the plan to send those ISIS guys in there first to soften them up?
Halfway there. Kosovo is a drug den with a huge US military base...
A drug den with big US bases. Funny how that works every time. SOme might think it is not entirely coincidental.
How much would russia pay for a marine base in greek?
Here it is, free: naftikí vási
Go long on goats for refuse pickup. Sanctions never work. Business minds and consumers will find other options to work with businesses that are banned. Halliburton kept a post office box in Iran until caught in 2003.
20 years ago when i was a thick fuck like ekm1 or fleadumb123 ( admittedly they are compromised with a .gov cheque ) i'd have been shit scared to be dropped off in the centre of Moscow; not now, i'd be far more apprehensive in being stranded in the centre of most USSA cities.
The center of Moscow is very civil. I would encourage any midwesterner to walk around and explore it. New York, Chicago, 6 blocks east of the Capitol in DC?
No fucking chance.
Titus
One would be ass raped to death within minutes by enlightened minorities in any US city if one were to be dropped off on the wrong city block. DC is the PCP user capital of the free world so no place is really safe there.
Funny you should mention those retards. There is an old joke about one guy like that who was circumcised, only they threw away the wrong bit.
Nice maps. Show what long-term Russian occupation does to countries. Come on Tsipras! Forwards to Moscow!
Yet the rest of the world seems hell bent on following that model.
Not much progress in 25 years apparently.
Even after Helicopter Ben's style trillions deutsche marks, in form of western german citizens taxes, thrown at them.
:D
combine this story with a pair of reuters reports from yesterday that ZH has been discussing for quite sometime:
Russia buys more gold ... - Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL4N0V60WJ20150127
Russia raises gold holdings for 9th month in a row - IMF
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL4N0V601B20150127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84924572&x-yt-ts=1422411861&v=y9hO...
We are told that these units are staffed by Ukrainians wanting to free their own fellow-Ukrainians from "terrorists".
To me, this sure look like an English-speaking terrorist has come to Novorussia to commit genocide against the people of the Donbass.
But, hey, that's just me.
The Saker
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Picture this. Putin / Russia is already selling Natural Gas Oil & perchasing massive amounts of Gold with US Petro Dollars.
The BRICS have agreed & are setting up its own Credit rating Agency & central banking system.
China is no longer buying worthless US Bonds / Treasuries. Now imagine the following scenario. Russia / China dump Criminal Fraud UNITED STARES, CORP. INC. Asset Holdings & Treasuries.
Now the Criminal Fed can print & buy up those Assest Holdings. However, they cannot print foreign currencies & buy up those Trillions of Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. Fiat Dollars which will flood our shores & collapse the Ponzi Scheme.
Viola!
ROFLMAO! Considering the "partition" of East Germany was illegal, the Russians are barking up the wrong tree. If Crimea was "historically part of Mother Russia" then East Germany was "historically part of Germany"
You can't twist things one way for yourself and another for someone else.
Why can't they - western nations do it constantly.
Way too fucking literal d00d.
How typically russian of them!
Financial war has been ongoing. When does it go bombs and bullets?
Sounding more and moar like it.
Hopefully never. I'm not prepaired to see most of humanity wiped out.
"Oh, but you will be."
What about the actions of England.
Took over Scotland in the early 1700s.
Now the Scots are seeking independence again England is refusing to let them go.
The Scottish came begging to the English after their attempts at imperialism failed (see Darien scheme). Most English people would vote to get rid of them if given the chance, the home nations are leaches on Englands side (see Barnett formula).
Yeah, the English have no interest in all of that Scottish oil, like the find that was kept under wraps until after the referendum, and revenues of which are going to England.
The Scotch are slaves like everyone else, they just have a larger Lebensraum for their crazy.
If you mean 'isolated' as they are business partners you'd be correct
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The money paid to Russia for their cooperation in the re-unification gives the price tag for the annexation of Crimea?
Not to forget that eastern parts of Germany are now Polish (Silesia and Pomerania) and Russian (Kaliningrad), so were not unified.
They are talking about post ww2 changes
The genocide on about 10 million Germans in Schlesia, Pommerian, Prussia and Bohemia happened AFTER WW2.
Yes but unapproved knowledge
same as atrocities on Germans prior WW2
The Soviet armies extracted their revenge on German treatment of their homeland once they got onto German soil. German civilians fled westward in the depths of a Baltic winter. To describe this as a genocide rather than a diaspora or eviction would be quite incorrect.
Not yet.
To the victors, go the spoils - so they say.
Besides, its not like Mother Russia didn't benefit in a very large way the niavete of Roosevelt, and Churchill. Hell they increased their control over that continent exponentially because of it.
Its too bad they off'ed Patton. It would be interesting to see how history would have played out had he gotten his wish and beaten the Soviets back to Stalingrad.
Roosevelt and Churchill don't get enough flack for how gullible they were.
Niavete? LOL
You really think that this shit was an accident on FDR and Churchill's part?
"Uncle Joe" was propped up by the West for a specific reason, and it sure the fuck wasn't accidental.
Roosevelt had a huge woodie for Stalin, though most are unaware of his 'Uncle Joe' fireside chats.
How would Patton have done that ? ""By measure of manpower, duration, territorial reach and casualties, the Eastern Front was as much as four times the scale of the conflict on the Western Front that opened with the Normandy invasion."[75] Conversely, George Marshall calculated that without the Eastern Front, the United States would have had to double the number of its soldiers on the Western Front." Wikipedia
The Soviets had 120 divisions facing 159 under-strength German divisions........there were 59 divisions in Western Europe
I think the US would have bled profusely considering Japan would have had a free pass
The whole thing was just a holding action until Oppenheimer could complete The Bomb ... Germany would have been decimated since the insane Hilter would have stayed in his bunker and said 'flight on'
The Western Front on the mainland of Europe actually re-opened with the invasion of Sicily, which caused the Germans to cut short their offensive in the Kursk salient in July of 1943 and transfer the SS Panzer Corps to Northern Italy tout la suite.
As for your numerical figures, they are complete rubbish from beginning to end. 120 Soviet divisions. Giganticus Maximus Hardy-har-har.
Care to compare the size of US versus Soviet divisions?
Didn't think so.
Care to factor in the numbers tied up in round-the-clock Allied strategic bombing of the German homeland?
Didn't think so.
Care to account for the vast manpower tied up in the Allied navies and merchant marines that brought indispensible war supplies to Russia as well as Britain?
Didn't think so.
Care to account for the Allied effort aimed at Japan while Russia did nothing to help?
Didn't think so.
Care to add up the total numbers of service personnel in US/UK vs USSR?
Didn't think so.
Care to mention that Stalin left Britain and France to fight Germany alone while he counted up his ill-gotten gains from the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact of 1939 and sold crucial war materials to Germany on a credit basis?
Didn't think so.
Care to name the history professor who allows you to use Wikipedia citations in your papers?
Didn't think so.
Care to cite the total number of German personnel serving in OKH versus OKW theaters of war on June 1, 1944?
Hopefully Wikipedia has an explanation of those terms for you.
As I have said on this forum many times before, the two allied groupings needed each other to defeat Hitler in a reasonably timely manner.
They wanted Soviets to die to save British and American lives and feared Stalin could cut a deal with Hitler like Lenin did in 1917 and all the GErman divisions could be switched to the Western Front
Had Stalin and Hitler agreed the allied would have no other option than to surrender!
If Hitler-Stalin pact would have been taken seriously this would have been the outcome. Why Hitler broke this deal is for me the 1 miilion dollar question. History books tell the story, that Hitler took an preemptive strike agaiant Russia, because he feared that Russia could fall in his back. But that argument does not hold. It just scratches on the surface of a much deeper story.
General Zhukov would have mopped the floor with the effete smack-talking closet Homo Patton.
Yeah, you could already see him there, studying Turkic so he could give orders to all the "subhuman" Chiurks that made up the vast majority of his army.
After finding out about the power of the bombs used in Japan, no one in the Kremlin had their head right, and they knew thay had to try to make their own bomb... the only plan they had was preserving territory lost through atomic warfare and controlling the populations. A defense spread VERY thin.
They would have never been able to handle a two-front war for even another year.
A question: did all of the tribal Jews really leave the Ukraine and Paris? Or did the media manufacturer another lie? Many of us know the handful of their pigfaced surnames.
Answer: _____________
Another thoughtful observation from the loving brotherhood of the anti-Tribe Diatribe Tribe. 14/88 and all that.
It is a moot point. Not only was there no Referendum but the German Constitution was sidelined by Kohl......
Article 146 [Duration of validity of the Basic Law]This Basic Law, which since the achievement of the unity and freedom of Germany applies to the entire German people, shall cease to apply on the day on which a constitution freely adopted by the German people takes effect.
During reunification, the two states discussed the possibility of drafting a new common constitution followed by a plebiscite, as envisioned in Art. 146 (1990), but this path was ultimately not taken. Instead the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic decided to keep the Basic Law with only minor changes, because it had proved to be effective in West Germany. To facilitate reunification and to reassure other states, the FRG made some changes to the Basic Law. Article 23 was fulfilled by reunification itself, and then withdrawn to indicate that there were no other parts of Germany that existed outside of the unified territory.[16][17] The question of “using? Article 146 to draw a new constitution, and hold a referendum, was left to the twelfth (and first all-German) Bundestag, who after considering the question decided against a new draft. Wikipedia
to indicate that there were no other parts of Germany that existed outside of the unified territory.[16][17]
This was on demand of the occupying powers. Lost territory in the East (parts of Poland), Kaliningrad, Alsace-Lorraine, have been officially declared to be not part of Germany.
Can you be annexed if you are there when it happens?
How did Hawaii end up as a US State - it was a British Protectorate ?
You mean that "referendum"?
Igor Girkin, ex-minister of defense of the so-called Donetsk Republic
“Have you actually been to Crimea during the referendum? Well, I have. I have been there since February the 21th. What you are describing here is absolute rubbish. There were no policemen who supported our side at that time. The only law-enforcement subdivision that has joined our ranks back then was the Berkut. The rest of the law-enforcement agencies remained under control of Ukrainian Ministry of Internal, and kept carrying out the MIA’s orders. Yes, sometimes they were sabotaging these orders, but all in all they were under Ukrainian control. I haven’t seen any support from official governmental representatives in Simferopol. Our troops had to force the deputies into the Oblast Council hall so that these representatives would vote in favor of our initiatives. I know this because I have been at the time commandeering one of such militant teams and I’ve seen it all from the inside. We had absolutely no support from the people, not to mention the army. The Ukrainian army units remained loyal to Kyiv as they were. Furthermore, most of the army remained that way. The only thing that made what we have accomplished in Crimea possible was the presence of Russian army.”
http://youtu.be/aelwn_UfeN0
About this article... imagine this... crazy ruskies want a debate how legal was occupation of other countries what USSR did to Baltic states, Poland, Germany, etc. - they support this and think that its something legal, just how sick in the head you have to be:
http://youtu.be/oVZjyyAE-78
BTW ruskies ar so dumb - we could open up question about status of Konigsberg AKA kaliningrad.
Keep Calm and Wait Your Turn :)
and remember:
Gunshots just outside your window are not the end of the world.
Nope, certainly not the end of the world... consider that Lithuania actually had an continuing, sustained, and real guerilla war against the USSR that actually held up until the death of Stalin and reforms were promised.
Also notice that the resistance provided by Lithuania against the Soviets/Russians is reflected in the much lower rate of Russification than suffered by Latvians, Estonians, and other "Former Soviet Republics".
Yeah, Russians spend a lot to keep getting pushed out of Lithuania.... already three times in about 100 years.
I've never heard such rubbish and propaganda with the exception of all of the false flag Russian invasion stories coming out of Kiev.
Your that Latvian guy that used to post under another moniker that looked like some type of swastika.
It is natural for you to defend your Banderist brothers. I have to stop reading your ridiculous posts!
This kind of excrement is why I always flush twice: because it's a long way to Banderastan.
But its a much shorter trip to the irrigation canals in the food producing regions of Russia.
germany is again a pivot point
Somebody knock this fucking ugliest of crack off her broom!
Before it's too late!!!
I'm sure some in West Germany wouldn't have minded letting the East stay independent. There was a pretty big wealth transfer to bring them in, and it's probably still happening.
I needn't really say that the disposition of the southern Confederacy bears little resemblance, in fact, law, or concept, to either the reunification of Germany or the invasion and annexation of Crimea by Russia.
I'm getting tired of this crap. Can we just leave each other alone and cooperate in a mutually beneficial way and leave it at that? This reminds me of Blefuscu and Lilliput from Johnathan Swift's "Gulliver's travels".
what is ABC media LTD?
I don't think Capitalist Russia wants Communist Germans, I think getting stabbed in the back and losing 20 million has developed Russia a learning curve
They're not interested in playing "death and bankruptcy" like the EU, been there done that.