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The New Greek Finance Minister Has Some Questions For The World's Journalists

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It was a confusing day for Europe, for the new Greek foreign minister, and now for Greece's new finance minister who hours ago posted a question on his blog to the world's journalists:

A question of respect (or lack thereof)… – the Greek veto over Russia that never was

On the first day in our ministries, the power of the media to distort hit me again. The world’s press was full of reports on how the SYRIZA government’s first foreign policy ‘move’ was to veto fresh sanctions on Russia. Now, I am not qualified to speak on foreign affairs but, nonetheless, I must share this with you at a personal level. Our Foreign Minister, Nikos Kotzias, briefed us that on his first day at the job he heard in the news bulletins that the EU had approved new sanctions on Russia unanimously. The problem was that he, and the new Greek government, were never asked! So, clearly, the issue was not whether our new government agrees or not with fresh sanctions on Russia. The issue is whether our view can be taken for granted without even being told of what it is! From my perspective, even though (let me state it again) I am certainly not qualified to speak on foreign affairs, this is all about a question of respect for our national sovereignty. Could journalists the world over try to draw this important distinction between protesting our being neglected from protesting the sanctions themselves? Or is this too complicated?

All fair questions. And then at almost the same time we read the following, first from Bloomberg:

  • EU DECISION ON RUSSIA SANCTIONS WAS UNANIMOUS, MOGHERINI SAYS

And then from Reuters:

European Union foreign ministers extended existing sanctions against Russia on Thursday, holding off on tighter economic measures for now but winning the support of the new left-leaning government of Greece, whose position had been in doubt.

... 

 

The run-up to the Brussels talks was dominated by Greece, whose new prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, took power on Monday and complained that his government had not been consulted before tighter sanctions were threatened. But at the meeting, colleagues said new foreign minister Nikos Kotzias had swiftly dispelled suggestions that Greece would automatically torpedo any sanctions effort.

 

According to Italy's foreign minister, Kotzias announced to the meeting: "I am not a Russian puppet."

It appears Greece was consulted after all:

While the Greeks did call for the decision on tighter sanctions to be delayed, they were not alone: other countries such as Italy and Austria also favored a delay, diplomats said, while Britain and the Baltic states wanted a clearer commitment to imposing new sanctions quickly. "We are not against every sanction," Kotzias said later. "We are in the mainstream, we are not the bad boys."

And even Germany is now "less concerned"

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier expressed frustration with the ambiguity of the Greek position before the talks: "It is no secret that the new stance of the Greek government has not made today's debate any easier," he said. After he met Kotzias in private, German officials said he was less concerned.

So following all this, we too have a few questions of our own: i) was or wasn't Greece consulted; ii) if yes, did Greece agree to join the unanimous European statement while declaring it is "not a Russian puppet"; and finally iii) while Greece may not be a Russian puppet, is Greece still a European puppet?

 

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Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:40 | 5723318 lakecity55
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That tightrope over the Snake River is hard to handle, isn't it?

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:49 | 5723354 Publicus
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This is beautiful, the EU is falling apart right before our eyes.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:48 | 5723359 Newsboy
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If I need your opinion, I'll give it to you.

 

Victoria Nuland et al

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:52 | 5723361 Publicus
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Since Greece did not approve of the EU sanctions on Russian, Russia should start importing Greek food immediately as a response!

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:01 | 5723403 JamesBond
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Balancing a wife and mistress is never easy.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:54 | 5723626 Solon the Destroyer
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That sounds inflationary.

 

#shortnailparlors

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 07:04 | 5724146 JohninMK
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"After he met Kotzias in private, German officials said he was less concerned."

As is the norm a present was given, a shiny new German nail gun. In turn the Creeks gave a bottle of olive oil

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:14 | 5723475 old naughty
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you would think/expect that, no?

But then it appears  not as you think/expect now...

So apply proverbial pressure, as any politican would, no? 

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:26 | 5723532 Bindar Dundat
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If you like your opinion, you can keep my opinion....

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:22 | 5723821 Anunnaki
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Did we read the same article the Greek FM was insulted that anyone would think Greece would veto sanctiions. Them amd the other big talkers Hungary could have put their foot down but they spread their cheeks for Merkel high hard one

Greeks hoping lemmingesque loyalty will win them a few Eurocrumbs

I hope Putin tells Tsirpussy to fuck right off from here on out

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 04:13 | 5724022 edotabin
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I wouldn't go so far as to resort to such epithets, especially since they are in power for only 5 days. That being said, I think Lakecity55's comment (first comment on this thread) spells it out beautifully and succintly. It is very possible that their mouths have written checks that their reality can't cash.

I am no fan of their weasel-like tactics to be sure, although the taking this avenue was highly predictable. Trying to play the EU against Russia by questioning the sactions and and trying to gain favor with Russia etc. is a desperate tactic and that is why they are treading so lightly. They will hint and incinuate but they know their hand is nowhere nearly as strong as they have advertised. Moreover, these tactics reinforce the fact that Greeks will do anything for anyone and to anyone in an attempt to wiggle out of the largely (although not entirely) self-created disaster. This problem is compounded by the fact that they will be rehiring workers and increasing pensions as all this double-speak goes on.

The irony of all this is that the more they do this, the more they weaken their position in the long run. Nobody, not even the Russians, will take them as seriously as they would have otherwise. Sure, you may get a spectacular headline here and there (i.e. "Russians to buy Greek olives") but down deep everyone else knows Greece is acting like a child trying to escape the blame which lies largely (although not entirely) at their doorstep. Everyone knows that lending money to Greece will result in non-payment.  The immedaite cancellation of previously signed privatization contracts does not bode well for them either. It simply reinforces what is already known, what I've been saying and how they will not hesitate to "change" other, perhaps larger, agreements. More of the same basically. Countless contracts were simply torn up in the past as the governments changed between PASOK and ND.

Furthermore, although theirs is not a good position to be in, their tone is one of not only outright defiance but also of arrogance and hate. While the previous government may have been too passive, there is a danger that this government may try to force the pendulum a bit to far in the other direction while being nasty. You cannot act like a bull in a china shop when you are a chihuahua (albeit a rabid one).  I just hope they do not get too far ahead of themselves and let the success of the harsh comments designed for internal consumption by the masses cross over into international relations.

Most of all, I wish the Greek people well. They were destroyed (largely) by a socialist politician. I hope the present politician has better intentions and that they will follow him but with their eyes wide open. If you go into a situation with your eyes wide open and close them halfway later, it's not so bad.  If you go in with your eyes shut and open them later............... 

 

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:21 | 5723495 Solon the Destroyer
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I wasn't sure whether you were right or not  and then I noticed the ad sidebar... It seems to have switched from regularly displaying Fantasy Russian Brides to... Meet European Women.

If that's not a leading indicator for the pending Eurocalypse, I don't know what is.

We will know the end is nigh when that sidebar becomes Kiss Your New Swiss Miss. 

And that is a helluva lot closer than people realize. With the Swissie yield curve where it is and still dropping like a pet rock, the SNB will be doing everything it can to stave off currency collapse and I would bet there have already been some calls on the red phone to Marioworld, the Eccles Building and the Old Lady.  No way they can unwind in an orderly fashion without help.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 08:07 | 5724223 doctor10
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the Drachma is the only thread of any strength through the Euroland wonderworld

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:41 | 5723322 Urban Redneck
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It must be serious, everyone is lying.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:22 | 5723513 TheReplacement
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One of the best comments I've ever seen on ZH.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:09 | 5723798 hairball48
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I agree- Great post!

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 04:54 | 5724069 Ghordius
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LOL. excellent comment. though... the opposite is true. they are all saying the truth

it's the same situation as when Cameron's cabinet first showed up in Brussels. "We never agreed to..."

yes, your cabinet never agreed to. though the previous government of the UK... did

it's called legacy, and every new government has to cope with it. this new Greek government is so... fresh, that it still has to find it's way yet

if the EU is a Hydra, then it has a new, fresh 3-day-old Greek head. which has some trouble remembering what the old Greek head said, promised and approved

the confusion here is at the Greek cabinet level, those heads haven't talked enough with each other, yet

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:44 | 5723332 Chris88
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Why is ZH seemingly hell bent on glorifying a bunch of socialists?  Greece went from basket case to basket case x 1,000,000 - there's your change.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:45 | 5723343 i_call_you_my_base
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Read the fucking article.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:49 | 5723355 Chris88
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I'm referring to all the ones written over the past several days, and not just the site itself but the retards commenting in support of these clowns.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:52 | 5723375 XqWretch
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I agree! Put the old guys back in! More bailouts! More EU! /sarc

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:57 | 5723385 Chris88
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I hate the EU and hate bailouts, I guess because I'm against stealing other peoples' money which is exactly what the idiots in Greece just voted for.  Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:25 | 5723524 imbtween
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So which bunch of socialists do you support? The ones that work for the bankers or the ones that (appear) to work for "the people"? Seems like you prefer your socialists to be parasitical oligarchs.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:28 | 5723548 Chris88
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I prefer real capitalism and individual sovereignty.  The Greeks could have defaulted with dignity and said "Hey, for the future let's not be a totally bankrupt welfare state that controls our citizens' lives."  My disdain for the retards Greece put in charge is in no way my support of the idiots in the EU/IMF, I'm calling a spade a spade.  

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:48 | 5723599 Solon the Destroyer
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Do you, in whichever democratic denizen you domicile, have this option among the parties on your ballots?  Greeks picked the closest thing they could. 

And, if you read Tspiras' open letter to Handelsblatt before the election, you will see there's actually some economic smarts in that party.  He said some things I've only heard us Austrians saying:

http://syriza.net.gr/index.php/en/pressroom/253-open-letter-to-the-german-readers-that-which-you-were-never-told-about-greece

*sticktap to Mish.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 00:56 | 5723766 HardlyZero
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ZH is not for everybody.

ZH is for the here and now, and not some fantasy island.

Get ready...for tomorrow.

FT or other MSM have plenty of fantastic articles.

Many on ZH have skin in the game, and you get serious opinion here.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 00:01 | 5723648 imbtween
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All you're telling me is that you aren't really paying attention to what's happening there. You dropped a few liberty-lovin' buzzwords that have no place in the reality of what's happening in Europe. They need to start over with the tools they have. Ayn Rand isn't going to be of any help, I promise you.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 05:54 | 5724115 winchester
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they are not bankrupt, dumbfuck, they are flat if you remove debt interest from the equiation... got it ? dummy ?

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 09:51 | 5724556 Crtrvlt
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bankruptcy is real capitalism.  credit lending is a 2 way street and the ability to w/stand losses, as laid out in the prospectus and other governing documents, is part of the deal.  a

 

bailouts are fascism (privatize profits socialize losses) and you my friend are a fascist

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:26 | 5723534 TheReplacement
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You are, of course, correct.  However what we had been seeing in Greece is a lot of uncomfortable truthiness.  If they do break and go their own way and still wipe themselves out by socialism we can at least respect that they made the choice for themselves instead of being slaves to the EU/banks/oligarchs.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:47 | 5723351 Anusocracy
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Perhaps they have correctly concluded that fascists present a greater danger than socialists in the 21st century.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:07 | 5723437 malek
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There is a difference between those two, factually?

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:54 | 5723623 Anusocracy
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They emphasize morality differently. Conservatives have more moral "hooks" for controlling.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 05:39 | 5724100 Againstthelie
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You are living in a matrix.

The internationalists know that the national idea is the biggest problem to their international agenda, the NWO, world government.

International Socialist Mao alone killed in peacetimes as many Chinese as people died during world war 2.

International Socialist Lenin killed millions.

The Holodomor from the red internationalists alone killed more Ukrainians than even the Holohoax numbers claim.

The golden internationalists in Washington have been killing more than 100 million people in their 150 wars since 1945 for the international agenda.

It's not about fascism, socialism, or national socialism. Political movments are built up by TPTB as they are needed (all political movments need funding...). And if they are not corrupt, then even better, then a war will deliver even more profits. It's about plundering the nations and forcing them under a world government and the red and the golden internationalists are the two sides of the same coin.

 

 

When i came to power, i took over a nation which was a democracy. Indeed, as long as Germany was a democracy we saw that everyone in the world came to their help and aid. Yes, the German people used to live in a democracy, and had been plundered and squeezed dry. No, what does democracy or authoritarian state mean for those INTERNATIONAL HYENAS? They're not interested in either!

They are only interested in one thing: Is anyone willing to let themselfes be plundered, yes or no? Is anyone stupid enough to keep quiet in the process, yes or no? And when a democracy is stupid enough to keep quiet, then it is good! And when a authoritarian government declares: "You do not plunder our people any longer neither from the inside or outside, " then that is bad.

 

If we, as a so called "authoritarian state", which differs from the democracies by having the people behind them -  (applause) If we as an authoritarian state had also complied with all the sacrifices that the INTERNATIONAL PLUTOCRATS burdened us with; if I had said in 1933, "Esteemed Sirs in Geneva what would you have me to do?" "Aha! We will immediately write on the slate: 6 billions for 1933, 1934, 1935, excellent, we will deliver! Is there anything else you would like? Yes, ofcourse, Sir, we will also deliver that!" Then they would have said: "At last a sensible regime in Germany."

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:57 | 5723357 Millivanilli
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I think zerohedgers are happy that the criminal banking cartels are finally being told ,Fuck off!

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:57 | 5723391 Chris88
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Happy that Greeks that actually work get a gun stuck in their face for 75% of their income?  Jackass.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:19 | 5723500 SpanishInquisition
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Actually that was done with Cromnibus where pensioners who worked for decades get their pensions obliterated to pay for the corporate socialism of Wall Street gambling losses.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:23 | 5723516 Chris88
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Please elaborate on how Wall Street made the Greek government run up astronomical debt to buy votes by running a gigantic welfare state.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:28 | 5723543 TheReplacement
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C'mon now.  You have to pay better attention than that. 

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:30 | 5723551 Chris88
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I'm eagerly awaiting the response of the cashier at Carl Jrs.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:46 | 5723600 Double.Eagle.Gold
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fuck you chris88

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:00 | 5723779 HardlyZero
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Yes.

Greece has defaulted many times.

In this modern case GS was there before and after Greece joined the EU.

GS completely re-did the Greek balance sheet to make Greece 'respectable' for EU consumption.

Its all there and here.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 00:01 | 5723647 Anusocracy
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Government is a wealth transfer mechanism. Its purpose is to enrich those who control it.

And who might that be?

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 10:15 | 5724693 Keyser
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Sorry Chris, but we can't fix stupid... Go research what this actually means and then get back to us...

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 10:07 | 5724638 gcjohns1971
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By financing the gigantic welfare state and paying massively outrageous bribes to politicians to encourage them to do it... not that the Greek politicians ever needed really massive bribes for that... But, hey, "Sovereign Privilege" and all that...

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:51 | 5723373 Next to Arch Stanton
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Who cares what they stand for - they are making everyone uncomfortable, defying status quo, dragging messy issues into the open, etc.

There's a long way to go before worrying what they stand for.  This is a good start to bringing down a corrupt and disfunctional politcal and economic system.

 

 

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:34 | 5723567 Chris88
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Stealing peoples' money at gunpoint is defying the status quo?  How big is a real life unicorn? I've never seen one.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:55 | 5723632 spellbound
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You dim witted simpleton. Stop believing the labels and try to think critically. Even a socialist govt is capable of making common sense decisions. Just not ours!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 06:40 | 5723892 Element
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Why is ZH seemingly hell bent on glorifying a bunch of socialists?

The same reason a few million thoroughly insane Arabs and fellow-traveller arseholes on social media, now 'sympathise' with the plight of a failed female suicide bomber held in a Jordan prison; someone who (curiously) was not executed anywhere near quickly enough given the nature of what she would have otherwise done if she could have.

But why complicate by referrring to realities, implications and proportionality? That only grates on the wilfully fucked-in-the-head and makes them immediately mash the red icon.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 03:17 | 5723978 MisterMousePotato
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"Why is ZH seemingly hell bent on glorifying a bunch of socialists?"

The enemy of your enemy [and all that].

Je suis Middle Eastern now. All of us.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:43 | 5723334 i_call_you_my_base
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The sanctions articles were all written last week. That explains that. And I suspect the EU played a card to get the greeks to back off.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:45 | 5723346 kowalli
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Greece  wasn't consulted

while Greece may not be a Russian puppet, is Greece still a European puppet?

- Greece wanted money, but ECB haven't any spare money for Greece and German don't need to save German banks in Greece. Greece blackmail Europe to get money with veto.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:48 | 5723348 SpasticGramps
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Where's Waldo?

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:46 | 5723349 nmewn
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Something to do with "toilet soap" or a missing typewriter key like V, no doubt.

I'm sayin Bush's fault for now ;-)

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:47 | 5723350 buzzsaw99
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god i'm sick of sniveling namby pamby eurotwats already. fuck the eu. seriously, fucking lame ass cunts.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:49 | 5723356 Dr.Engineer
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The Greek Finance Minister has a Ph.D. in math.  The EU is run by lawyers.  Which one would you trust to figure out "1+1=2"

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:54 | 5723378 kowalli
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no one. they ALL are telling lies

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:50 | 5723364 booboo
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Wise kings generally have wise counselors; and he must be a wise man himself who is capable of distinguishing one.

Diogenes

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 06:38 | 5723987 Element
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"... There was a "small problem" of course. The "Terra" was not "Nullius". It was already inhabitable by five million Aboriginals. How did they solve this problem? Simply, they supported that Aboriginals were not one hundred percent humans! They characterized this way Australia as "Terra Nullius" concerning people. The result is known: The wiping of Aboriginals who, today, questionably reach 150 thousands. This vulgar classification of pre-1788 Australia as "Terra Nullius", was abolished in 1988 by the Australian Supreme Court, that is 200 years later. ..." - Yanis Varoufakis

Which is a hopeless series of lies and completely absurd misrepresentations.

Notice also that he says "inhabitable" - not 'inhabited'. He's using that wording to try and be sly, as anyone who looks up the topic will quickly find there's never been five million Australian Aboriginals alive at any one time - EVER!

"It is estimated that prior to the arrival of British settlers, the population of Indigenous Australians was approximately 318,000–750,000 across the continent."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australians

And frankly that estimate is also almost certainly way too high. The Aboriginals had no cities, no towns, no trading ports, no cultivated crops and no clear indication of widespread habitation of the country - and zero aboriginal construction ruins exist.

They mostly lived in small widely dispersed family-size tribal groups and many of these were perpetually nomadic, over large parts of the contry, as they continually had to move to find food and water.

They were never able to develop the basic technologies for sustained food production and its storage, which would have supplied the excess production needed to build up the population and flourish into developing technologies, beyond the literally stone-age level of tools they were using at the time of European arrival.

So it was a very small population with a remarkably non-dynamic and non-innovating culture that was otherwise almost, but not quite invisible, to the first European settlers.

The land (in as much as it was known at the time, which was <2%) did to all intents appear to have no permanent inhabitants on it, in many if not most areas that European explorers visited, in the first several decades of settlement.

So Varoufakis's is making-up unsourced and wildly inaccurate assertions of five million aboriginals existing which is around 6.6 times larger than the highest published guess of the maximum potential carrying-capacity of the entire continent if using Aboriginal levels of stone age tools and cultural practices, and their largely nomadic family/tribal structure.

i.e. the country MIGHT be able to POTENTIALLY support a MAXIMUM population of 750,000, if it all went well for a few centuries of ideal wet and plentiful conditions so a population bloom could get to that level.

From section: Aboriginal And Torres Strait Islander Population
" ... while recent archaeological evidence suggests that a population of 750,000 could have been sustained. ..."- Australian Bureau of Statistics

But the population never got that high, as Australia is not like that. It suffers perpetual cycles of droughts and die-back, then a few years of large floods, then most of the next decade of drought and severe die-back, once again. During which the aboriginals generally starved or died of thirst. The stability needed to reach even 750,000 simply was not present.

Moreover, all of the 'estimates' of aboriginal populations at time of European colonization are entirely guesses. Almost all of these guesses were also concocted and put-about by interested individuals and groups who had an axe to grind, especially in seeking monetary redress and extension of land rights and legal status. So they fostered a culture of condemnation, complaint and extortion, thus we have politicized massive over-estimates of population levels, and massive lies about its decline, and the nature of that decline.

More likely the population at time of colonization was rather close to a maximum of ~150,000 people spread over the whole continent, and then it about halved, due mostly to smallpox and many other nasty introduced European germs and viruses.

The reality is that there are probably twice as many Aboriginals living within Australia in 2015, than there was in 1770 and their life expectancy has about doubled (or more) than it was prior to European colonization.

There are almost certainly more Aboriginals alive today, and far healthier, than there has been at any time during the past 20,000 years.

Indeed, the effect of European settlement has been, get this, of massive NET benefit to the Aboriginals. If the Spanish or Portuguese had settled Australia in the way they did South America, the Australian Aboriginals would probably have been literally wiped-out, completely. 

But Varoufakis's assertion of a population plummet from his fairy-tale of 5,000,000, to only 150,000, is the biggest load of contrived mischief-making bullshit that I've encountered so far, regarding this topic.

 

So I hope for Greece's sake that Yanis Varoufakis knows a lot more about economics and finances, than be does about indigenous history or Australia and land rights, and also that he's an order of magnitude more careful (and also honest) with his 'numbers', his guesses, and anu other unsourced fictions within his new position of trust and responsibility over the finances and lives of ~11,000,000 people (yeah, real ones this time, Yanis ...).

 

"... On the first day in our ministries, the power of the media to distort hit me again. ..."

 

So just where did you get that "five million" population figure from then, Yanis?

 

Please ... do tell.

 

 

 

/popcorn

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:52 | 5723366 booboo
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Duplicate

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:58 | 5723397 dexter_morgan
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I felt for some reason that Tsipras would turn out to be a EU tool and perhaps he is showing it here.........anyways, would like to be a fly on the wall at those meetings spoken of.

Symbolism or substance. Talk is cheap.

 

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:59 | 5723398 me or you
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Either way is very complicated.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:02 | 5723408 nmewn
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Sooo, ummm, unless I missed it, when is ZH going to post the article about Mr.Barry Tax Credit trying to stick it to all those "rich" middle class "folks" by repealing 529 college plan tax exemptions?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-27/obama-said-to-drop-plan-to-repeal-529-college-savings-tax-break

Jus sayin ;-)

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:35 | 5723571 Chris88
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The new audience here worships the State so they'll probably gloss over that.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 00:35 | 5723724 Yen Cross
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 You're messing with the wrong person. nmewn will eat you for lunch.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:50 | 5723875 Element
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I think you took his remark the wrong way there Yen.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:02 | 5723410 falconflight
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Well the new greek gov't source cited by the author doesn't specify what the greek vote was or if such a vote was conducted.  Not much help to me.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:11 | 5723444 Mr_Wonderful
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Hmm, let me guess. With Crimea and the Donbass gone there isn´t really anything left worth stealing for U.S. business interests there in Ukraine. Just a VERY costly headache for years to come. So, the interest of their political assets has tanked. This leaves pimpless and confused EU whores running bewildered in all directions. 

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:19 | 5723497 teslaberry
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well , that escalated quickly.
mr. MY DICK IS NOW HUGE TSPIRAS is just getting into the big boys game. LETS SEE HOW HE HANDLES THAT BIG DICK OF HIS!.

most likely as a novice and a short timeline given to him by his greek democratic 'constitution' or whatever, he will probably blow his wad relatively quickly . possibly not.

in any case, dictators solve real problems , not MP's.

democracy is fucked, and we all know civil wars and coups are coming. for europe, and quite possibly for the world.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:20 | 5723506 williambanzai7
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Why call them journalists?

Twitter and youtube propagandists is what they are.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:08 | 5723797 Anunnaki
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I Prefer presstitutes

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:31 | 5723562 dexter_morgan
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Greeks been stealin when they shoulda been buyin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73OsXo19vI

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 00:14 | 5723677 mijev
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"German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier expressed frustration with the ambiguity of the Greek position before the talks: "It is no secret that the new stance of the Greek government has not made today's debate any easier," he said."

 

Er, isn't the purpose of a debate to help decide what your position should be. If everyone knows the outcome beforehand, then it isn't a debate.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 03:36 | 5723996 basho
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steinmeier is merkels sausage.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 00:44 | 5723742 bid the soldier...
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Don't you think Putin is smart enough to suggest and Tsipras smart enough to agree that there is absolutely nothing to be gained by the new Greek government coming to its first EU meeting with blazing six-shooters in both hands?

Of fucking course Putin is that smart.

Now that the Bevis and Butthead EU think Tsipras has an open mind about Russia, the bribes and minister's wives will start flowing like Nuland's twat when she passes an army barracks. 

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 00:55 | 5723771 WTFUD
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The EU don't make any Financial or Political or Geopolitical DECISIONS. The IMF/BIS/ FED ( Goldman JPM . . ) receive a call from Rothschild's Reps and pass any message onto Germany who pass it on down the line in order of importance to the Anglo Saxon Nations and then onto Southern Europe; it's of course unanimous.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:06 | 5723792 Anunnaki
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We are in the mainstream. Europoodles 1 Russia 0. We're not the bad boys. We fall into line on commamd like all leftists pussies do

Syriza jumped the shark on day one. No sympathy for the Greeks. Let Tsirpussy nuzzle Merkel's ball sack.

Another leftist that talks the talk but wont walk the walk

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 09:53 | 5724564 Escapedgoat
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Unfortunately I agree with you.

Kotzias I have learned, was with the Previous Pangalos' PASOK team.  NO HOPE THERE.

 

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:08 | 5723794 Peter Pan
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I was at a meeting once where two members were caught arguing a point when one of them turned to another member of the committee and asked, " what do you think?". The fellow looked at him and after a few seconds replied, " i agree with what you are saying but I don't understand you."

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 02:04 | 5723888 scatha
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Greek FM Nikos Kotzias had no prerogatives from his PM to cast any vote. So he did not. The media lies about that all EU countries were unanimous in their support against Russia, since at least 5 countries objected yesterday as well as were on the record demanding removing all the existing sanctions. Read exactly wording of the communiqué, there is no mention about casting vote.  

 From Reuters: European Union foreign ministers extended existing sanctions against Russia on Thursday, holding off on tighter economic measures(???) for now. (nothing about voting)

EU DECISION ON RUSSIA SANCTIONS WAS UNANIMOUS, MOGHERINI SAYS  (nothing about vote)

Because there was no vote, only obfuscated acclamation at best.

EU IS SHITTING IN THEIR PANTS. They want to make SYRIZA government, who openly wants to break EU neck, look benign and tamed in eyes of their population which now want to cut their throats for years of theft and exploitation. Look at SYRIZA manifesto, they want to break NATO as well. It’s like motive from old good Bone Crasher song “Never Scared” “ let’s break them all” .Spain’s “PODEMOS” Portugal left and Italy’s (new PCI), and France National Front to follow SYRIZA way soon. Stay tuned, may be even make some jobs and raise some wages in these US while oligarchs shitting in their pants as well.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 02:20 | 5723907 trader1
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the former greek government was consulted, and mogherini had the vain hope that she didn't need to re-establish the same consensus with the new govt.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 02:29 | 5723919 Joe A
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"It is no secret that the new stance of the Greek government has not made today's debate any easier,"

Aka "get the fuck in line, do what Germany tells you".

After he met Kotzias in private, German officials said he was less concerned

Aka "they got in line"

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 02:44 | 5723944 Peter K
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There's an old Texan expression about being "all hat and no cattle".

Sounds like our lates pretenders to the throne of Lenin are just that, pretenders.

Gotta love it!

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 03:04 | 5723966 Jano
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I call this journalism:

So following all this, we too have a few questions of our own: i) was or wasn't Greece consulted; ii) if yes, did Greece agree to join the unanimous European statement while declaring it is "not a Russian puppet"; and finally iii) while Greece may not be a Russian puppet, is Greece still a European puppet?

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 03:51 | 5724009 mog
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Well as the Saker wrote.

It didn't take long.

NSA at work?.

Accidents to wives and children?.

Or perhaps we will get some believable answers to the apparent confusion.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 07:36 | 5724170 Ponk
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Germany runs Greece. Germany desperately wants to get into bed with Putin but papa US says no. What better way to keep daddy happy and have some sweet Russian hydrocarbons than to tacitly sanction some far left contrarianism? The Germans fucking hate these sanctions.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 07:44 | 5724184 Lumberjack
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Greece should follow EU line on Russia: EU's Schulz

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/30/us-greece-eu-shulz-idUSKBN0L30...

 

(Reuters) - Greece should not undermine EU policy on Russia at a time when it is seeking support from its partners over its economic problems, European parliament President Martin Schulz told Greek newspapers on Friday.

Within hours of taking office last week, Greece's new government complained it was not consulted before the European Union moved to threaten tighter sanctions on Russia.

At a meeting in Brussels on Thursday, the new Greek foreign minister tried to dispel suggestions that Athens would side withRussia in the Ukraine crisis and signed up to extending the EU sanctions. But European allies remain wary.

"I was surprised by the statements that were made and the fact that the Greek government looked ready to abandon the common EU line on Russia," Schulz, who met Greece's Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras on Thursday, told Kathimerini newspaper.

"It is difficult on the one hand to expect a revised common approach to one's country, and on the other to be differentiating from the others, particularly as the first move after taking office," he said.

 

Schulz also expressed concern over the make-up of Greece's coalition government, saying it would limit its room for maneuver in crucial talks with the euro zone.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 08:32 | 5724258 Ilargi
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Kotzias hails 'good compromise' on Russia sanctions in Brussels

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_29/01/2015_546675

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 08:56 | 5724308 Mike Masr
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Fuck the EU vassal states!

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 09:22 | 5724354 gcjohns1971
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"The issue is whether our view can be taken for granted without even being told of what it is!"

 

"And the borrower shall become the slave of the lender."  - Proverbs 22:7

It is no issue.  It is the natural result of the Greek government's spending habits.

 

I might add... "Coming to a Country Near YOU!"

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