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Putin Pivots Back: Russia Confirms Willingness To Provide Financial Aid To Greece
We suggested the Greek pivot from Europe to Russia was building previously, and now, we get confirmation from Russia's finance minister Anton Siluanov that the pivot could be mutual, who told CNBC in the interview below:
- *RUSSIA WOULD WEIGH FINANCE FOR GREECE IF ASKED, SILUANOV: CNBC
With fire and brimstone spewing from Germany over the potential for Greece to veto any and everything, it seems Russia may just have stymied Europe's leverage over the newly democratic nation.
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Recall that a German central banker warned of dire problems should the new government call the country's aid program into question, jeopardizing funding for the banks.
"That would have fatal consequences for Greece’s financial system. Greek banks would then lose their access to central bank money," Bundesbank board member Joachim Nagel told Handelsblatt newspaper.
Well, maybe...
Unless of course Greece finds a new, alternative source of funding, one that has nothing to do with the establishmentarian IMF, whose "bailouts" are merely a smokescreen to implement pro-western policies and to allow the rapid liquidation of any "bailed out" society.
An alternative such as the BRIC Bank for example. Recall that the "BRICS Announce $100 Billion Reserve To Bypass Fed, Developed World Central Banks
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It appears, in Russia, Greece has found another possible friend...
Siluanov: "if such a petition [for financial aid] is submitted to The Russian Government, we will definitely consider it"
So once again, it appears as if all the leverage is. much to the shock and humiliation of Brussels, back in Tsipras' hands.
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You sound jealous that the Greeks live in a nice place...but you see, it often works that way. Sure, they live in a nice place, but they have a very weak economy, as do most of those southern countries. So they can lay in the sun, but they pay for it by living in Greece.
So, if you want to get rich, you have to shiver near the Arctic Circle. It's a trade-off.
You want nice weather? Or do you want a thriving economy?
Don't begrudge them their little island, you can't HAVE it all.
seems as though germany is getting fucked from both russia and greece.
hey, germany, how are those sanction working for ya? huh? nazi shit in ukraine?
i think you are being called out. huh? silence, really so
time for shit to get ugly. how so, seems as though your the patsy...
we just want our fucking money back(and gold), ha...
that's what happens when the amis and the israelis channel your foreign policy through a DDR dummy. lol
Prediction: in less than 6 months, Greece will "all of a sudden" be threatened by a euro-hungry Macedonia over borders or whatnot. After all, it is the Balkans. We don't need newspapers--just old history books.
Sorry to disappoint you, but Macedonia has never threatened Greece. Quite the opposite; it is Greece, with blessings from The Empire and it's Harlot of Babylon who has imposed a unilateral trade embargo (1994-95) and broken the Interim Accord obligations...
Now, if you said Turkey...
Hope Spain and Italy are paying close attention and taking notes. Interesting how the chessboard has changed in less than a week.
Oh, don't worry. All the PIGS are paying rapt attention.
I really do believe that the numbers of people around the world who are coming to understand the bankers game is growing exponentionally. If this ever reaches critical mass, watch out.
The Internet is becoming a game changer of huge and unknown proportions.
Yeah... sure... but Putin regime doesn't have money even for these separatists it supported in Moldova:
http://www.neweasterneurope.eu/articles-and-commentary/1462-transnistria...
Does the US have the money for what it is doing? We will be at 19 trillion debt sometime 2016. Our GDP is not 16 trillion. More like 13-14. The world needs to get a grip on the fact that the US is broke and so is Europe.
Sure, all the money in the world as long as everyone keeps stuffing dollars into their mattresses. They just have to keep it going exponentially to keep this sham running. Gonna be some fat mattresses around the world.
Kiev Yatzi junta soon have not enough potato even for these trolls it supports in Latvia.
So any group of people that have the audacity, the temerity, the utter gall to be independent and to enjoy self determination are separatists or terrorists.
Shallow thinking at its best!
"Shallow thinking at its best! "
careful now, he'll take it for a compliment. lol
Je Suis Tsipras!
Russia can buy-up Greek debt for pennies on the ruble. Its the easiest out for the EU....
Check!
The icing on the cake will be if enough outfits turn down the Grocery Clerk for the PTB, Soros, and refuse more $$$ for Ukraine Adventures!
"Join our Anti-Zionist Federation, Greece!
We will help free you from the clutches of the Bankster Rapists!"
Good point 1: Tsipras is obviously anti-Nazi which puts him at odds with the Washington DC fascists.
Good point 2: He so far indicates a hatred for banksters
Good point 3: He seems genuinely concerned for the Greek People.
Good point 4: He stopped the fire sale of Greek infrastructure assets.
This makes him a very good candidate for an American Sniper sequel.
Yeah. I would say he needs Russian security around his house as well.
Germany gives Greece tanks, submarines and debt. Putin gives Greece the head end of a natural gas pipeline...
Imagine Europe's gas transiting through Turkey and Greece instead of the Ukraine or Eastern Europe.
Talk about twisted schadenfreude...
The benefits of such a pipeline are exaggerated. Europe is a paying customer, maybe the best paying customer for Russia's oil and gas. How much windfall is there for Greece and for Russia? How much is there potentially at stake for Russia's resource sector if relations turn really sour?
Well, for the Russians, whatever paltry economic benefit there is should not be inuring to the Ukraine should it.
Europe was buying gas and oil from Communist Soviet Union and had no problem with it. Soviet Union always fulfilled its contract obligations even when diplomatic relations were at their low point.
Don't underestimate the value of security. Greek naval bases are worth the detour.
windfall is avoid the Kiev mafiya bs and stealing gas
RF endured EU/Ukr crap manipulations because of brother Ukr people
and wish for stabilty.
ok, that may be worth entertaining further... maybe the pipelines will be built from German steel.. Merkel won't be in power forever.
you are mssing the point - its not about numbers it's about the chessboard !!!!!
- once Ukraine is irrelevant for the gas transit point / coal in the south / Crimea strategic location and NATO at the border is cancelled coupled with NO NATO in Turkey and Greece - then NATO / EU has major problem keeping the herded sheep - Italy / Spain / et al
the objective is to destroy the solidarity nothing more which is weak already
Give Russia a 10 year free gas route through Greece into europe and we will make some payments for you but first negotiate a crew cut with the ECB.
Greece(y) grimy gopher guts, Batman!
E=MC2
Euro-breakup = Markov Conquest2
What we are witnessing may seem funny yet it is very important. It is called competition. This would cease to exist if the NWO owned it all.
Talk is cheap. Greece needs billions in whatever currency to keep afloat come April.
Let's see how Russia's FinMin can spin his signature on a cheque to Greece when his own people are feeling the pinch.
This is posturing, nothing more. An opportunity for Russia to elevate her profile. Once Russians get wind of how things are run in Greece, they will never answer the calls from Tsirpas again.
Russia's FinMin have a good look at Greece's FinMin file storage.
You think Russia just discovered Greece?
GOD made you a moron you have No choice in life !!
- Greece was there as a known quantity and this point in time WAS EXPECTED - so Russia knows more than the EU & USA combined or else we would not be this point of a KNIFE AT THE THROAT OF NATO
Come on Greece.You can do it. Bleed Putin dry!
So the EU step in to the Ukraine and offers Financial aid, and now Russia may step in with aid to Greece.... Oh the irony. Let the propaganda begin! I'm sure we will be told "Putin's world domination and expansion plans" or "Putin invading Greece" Where's my fucking popcorn?
Unless of course Greece finds a new, alternative source of funding, one that has nothing to do with the establishmentarian IMF, whose "bailouts" are merely a smokescreen to implement pro-western policies and to allow the rapid liquidation of any "bailed out" society
True, but to be fair, funding from Russia won't come without some consequences either.
Will be fun to watch.
Russia and China start eating away at the US and EU control.
Now THATs impressive! +1000
Is that the guy from the Roseanne show?
Needs more back hair to be believable
All depends what Mutti has in her cooler...
Lots of soap,
http://news.yahoo.com/france-says-eu-move-further-sanctions-russia-13324...
So which do you prefer, baked or mashed potatoes?
I think he prefers giving himself the only upvotes he gets every time.
He prefers to get baked smoking green potato skins. Getting high on solanine seems to be popular among Latvian honeydippers.
Just as I thought. Syriza prefer Europoodledom. Fuck Tsirpas and his bullshit. What's Greek for Hope & Change?
This is just an extension of EXISTING sanctions until April, and another meeting is scheduled for Feb to discuss. No NEW or increased sanctions coming for now.
MOOAAAR ISOLAAATED!!!!
tsipras better be careful because if he is not just bluffing,
then there will be a maidan in greece. golden dawn political leaders will find themselves very quickly OUT of jail and very quickly they will have sophisticated digital HELP from operation gladio to ensure that they never get caught doing anything 'bad'. and have alibi's for everything they need alibis for as they 'grow' the golden dawn party.
the EU and ECB will start isolating greece and funding a civil war there until golden dawn takes charge. could take 20 years, but the bloodletting will take only a few months.
no one is going to be cutting deals with russia without paying a major price first, like a civil war.
IM SURE THEY PLANNED FOR THAT - SO SHOULD YOU
And Putin applies the thrusting choke hold from the mount. Time out called by EU for diaper change.
Mr. Panos sez, show me the money my little White Russian monkey friend. Putin is so short of friends that he is willing to take on a sucking chest wound like Greece.
I'll be surprised if O'Zero and Nuland and their lackays can avoid a Fool's Mate defeat in the foreign policy match.
One loser adopts another loser...it's about as exciting as King Barry adopting the Castro brothers.
Yeah right. Russia doesn't have any money anyway. Ukraine and Greece should both default. Stop this screwing around.
Precisely...this is Tspiras mental masturbation. Doesn't he have an EU to break from and a whole crapload of debt to restructure?
How much does the US have?
"How much [money] does the US have?"
PLENTY!
Enough to pack a wad of $20 bills in the ass-cracks of every man, woman and child on the face of the earth. And we can print more on demand.
So you had better show more respect for American $TP....
This article..not about America.
US debt to GNP, over 100%. Russia debt to GNP: about 16%. What was that about default?
I'm not so sure if that matters. The UK debt / GDP ratio is off the charts and they can still take no more. Depends on the creditors and their faith in the ability to repay or to service. As long as USD is reserve currency, nothing will change.
The status of reserve currency is about acceptance which changes sooner or later based on the fundementals
When, oh when, are you guys going to stop imputing virtue to government figures of any stripe? It is their actions, not their meaningless words that count.
"Russia would consider such a petitition." ????
I'd consider one as well-- and then I'd do the same thing as Russia. Reject it. Meanwhile, I look like a Hollywood Hero archetype to the easily deluded who desperately want to believe in the lie of a strong, beneficial government working on behalf of the people it rules and exploits.
You think China and Russia are going to come rescue you or anybody else from the alleged oppression of the US/EU? Then tip their hats and ride off into the sunset? Why wait for your liberation? There is no Iron Curtain preventing you from moving to the land of these heroes TODAY. Start enjoying the good life NOW. Free yourself from the West IMMEDIATELY. Get rich quick by getting in on the ground floor of the opportunity presented by these magnificent new rising empires.
Go for it. Do it. Yes, you can.
There is a large Cult Of Putin posters on this web site. They hate Obama so much they will lick the Russian boot.
There is an even larger flock of fappars* that post comments here.
*fairies against President Putin and Russia
I guess you would know.
there are a few fairies that do not support Obama. He's part of the fairy tribe -a group heavily subsidized by the seemingly all powerful "Tribe". Their numbers are few, but don't cast all fairies as Obama supporters. Being strictly hetero -I identify with Putin-for many reasons -strength, honor, etc. He is the type of man I encourage my 3 sons to aspire to be -and the type that I hope my only daughter will marry.
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Alas, alas, three times alas, never said to include all fairies in the fappar gang. Likely exists many of them possessed of good judgement that support Putin, undubiously even in Russia.
For this gang of fappar commenters, duplicity is high, as is self delusion. Somehow they are compelled to hate on Putin and Russia and parrot every lie that they hear. Funny to watch them when they are asked to provide credible evidence for their claims. Duplictious people do not like their duplicity exposed, so they lash out with their favorite primitive mind tool: the fag hominem.
They project their unrequited sodomaniacal desires and homoerotic fantasies onto Putin and anyone they view as a "Putin lover". Their psychological projection and preoccupation with gayness is recognized by professional clinicians as unconscious expression of their repressed sexuality.
Sorry you have such a myopic view and don't really understand.
It's not a love of Putin or a hatred of Obama driving this. This is not about individual personalities, as many here are very aware these guys are just the facade. Obama will be gone soon, but his replacement will be another toady for TPTB. We are just sick of traitors who run the show in America, and the march to globalization being forced down our throats. The same sentiment is growing in Europe, I believe.
Putin simply represents a desire that many of us have to be able to actually do something to fight back against the crush we feel on our chest, the fear we have for our children's future, as we watch helplessly as things spin out of control. We know where the problems lie, and it is not with Putin. Is he a savior? Hell no, but he just might upset things enough to wake up the rest of the world enough to actually have a close, and critical, look at what's been going on in our names.
I specially ordered Putin "Hope" and "Putin for president 2016" T-shirts. Beats supporting Barry the fag, lesbian Hillary or Jeb Bush the psychopath . The only choices the banksters give us in America are perverts and criminals -with very few exceptions.
You are dead on about trusting politicians. However, Russia does have something to gain by driving a wedge between the EU member states, since the EU has been working so hard to hurt Russia in order to please their US master.
yes, that's the way we should address it.
"Go for it. Do it. Yes, you can."
Nice slogan, tarabel, sounds like an Obama quote. I surmise you don't understand at all how the EU works, am I wrong?
In a nutshell: you don't escape a trap like that by yourself. Not even Germany can, as it's a USA-colonized nation. If you want out, you need help.
Recall that Greece recently managed to get deficit-free budget. The only problem was interest and principal on the bailout loans. If they default on that, they would need much less aid to keep going forward.
I don't see what Russia gets from the arrangement except to gum up EU foreign policy. I suspect the Russians will play along until it suits them no more. Greece (longterm) is an albatross for anyone.
A port.
The Russians may gum up US foreign policy. The EU doesn't have a foreign policy. They are vassal states that say whatever the US orders them to say.
Gumming up EU policy would be the precise reason for Russia to step in here. And why not? Why wouldn't they want to 'gum up' the policy of an entity that was attacking them financially?
And yes, Greece IS a liability, but when you look at the numbers, Greek debt really ISN'T the huge deal everyone makes it out to be. In dollars and cents terms (or Euro's) the amounts are nothing compared to the alternative of having Greece leave. And the European bankers KNOW this. It isn't about the money, it's about inflicting "punishment".
So, for Russia to step in with some aid wouldn't be that huge of a deal for them. For Europe however, it may prove very costly indeed.
Their hard-ass approach will backfire on them, and they will rue the day they went along with the German austerity fixation. They may well end up wishing they'd just swallowed their pride and done some debt forgiveness.
And the German business community may regret their support for Merkel when it starts affecting their bottom line. Bitch-slapping the Greeks and the Russians might be fun, but declining GDP, defaulted debts and alliance-shifts are not.
look at a map
You have been here a whole year and your vision is still this bad?
You assholes junked me too for calling the ebola hysteria hysteria. Russia will play along as long as it's in their interests to do so. Guarantee you Greece is fucked no matter what they do now. Just sit back and watch the shitshow.
This asshole didn't, as I was right there saying the same thing in multiple posts. In fact, many others were saying the same thing, but yes, there was a lot of chicken Little's spreading hysteria.
a port, a alternative pipeline route, and the joy of sticking it to the EU
But, like they said - if asked they'd evaluate, and if too costly, maybe not
Any idea is speculative at this point, but Russia may do a deal for a navy base to back up their one in Syria.
I don't see what Russia gets from the arrangement except to gum up EU foreign policy.
Are you really that naive?
I don't see what the US gets from the Ukrainian situation either, except gumming up some things.
You may have missed the point that some clear-sighted commenter had brought up in a year review / look ahead:
The main goal for western TPTB has clearly morphed into "poison all the wells", as they are losing.
I'm not saying that the Russian main interest is to do the same, but if all else fails it sure helps to be able to retaliate in kind, if necessary.
This proposal will cost Russia nothing.
But it will start the EU to shovel money to Greece, and quick.
Imagine being forced to bail out Greece agan and again. Trapped.
Greece gonna vote no on sanctions renewal in March? If not, this is all just playing footsie. Maybe Adoph Merkel will have Greece booted from the EU before they can pull down the sanctions. Then if they can get a color revolution going in Hungary, that would void two likely "nyet" votes on moar sanctions or sanctions renewal.
"newly democratic Greece". Nice little dig in the commentary Tyler
Okay, you talk the talk Alex, let's see you walk the walk.
So much for my comment. Tsirpas and Orban both caved. Fock Greece and Fock Hungary. Bullshit artists through and through. They both deserve whatever they have coming their way.
It would cost the Russians nothing to exempt Greece, and just Greece, from sanctions tomorrow, and they'd benefit from the farm produce. The US may have control over the banks, and over the rating agencies, but this guy ain't going quietly. Sooner Merkel gets the fuck out of Europe the better.
Ok, so it's in Russia's interest to keep Greece in the Euro - subsidised farm produce and a spanner in the works of any more self-destructing sanctions.
Can't wait to see the Peter The Great sail into Pireaus .
Well Germany had the chance to own all of Europe, again, and blew it , again.
u funny dude:)))
made me laugh.
Russian is just having a little fun at the expense of the guardians of the universe. I doubt they would seriously entertain the idea to to use Greek ports for naval vessels. But the EU/US won't take this lightly and are probably dusting off the playbook to discredit Tsipras, activate sleeper cells, telling the media how this needs to be portrayed.
THE GREEKS ARE FULLY AWARE OF ALL THIS.
The West has used ALL its armoury in enticing the Greeks Mainland and Cypriot, and they were found wanting.
Fisrt they waged civil war in the aftermath of the WAR II
Greece got fuck all for being in the "winning" side.
Junta 1967-74 lost more than could be imagined. Cyprus and Cypriot people lost their homes from the Turks.
Now 2009 -2015 more of the same.
Russia IS NOT COMMUNUST these days.
So the Jewish Mafia will be screaming Communists, Communists, Communists.
Even though the SYRIZA partners ANEL, are RIGHT WING Patriots (so they claim).
It is going to have the West go APOPLECTIC.
i see your Ukraine, and raise you one Greece
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Oboy! I LOVE these stories! You are seeing it! Unbelievable! History in the making! Could you have imagined this stuff just five years ago?? Mind boggling...
Sweet. This guy has balls. Who else would stand up to the banksters? The audacity! Sadly, he may find himself dead of a strange suicide soon enough.
So far this century all the aggression has been from the west. Let's just hope that the China Russia Iran axis isn't planning something nasty in return.
It would be funny if Russia had to liberate Germany again, this time from USA.
Hence Russia's case to have the 1990 reunification condemned.
70 years of military occupation is an awful long time.
Seriously... who cares. If Russia want to spend their dropping currency supporting one that will default... that's fine with me!
It's all a sham.
http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-eu-expands-russia-sanctions-as-new-uk...
Let the Greeks starve. They had a chance to do something different. NATO/Europoodle whores through and through. They are as goddam dumb as the Ukrainians. Russia offered them a better deal and Tsirpas pussied out to curry favor with Adolph Merkel and the krauts.
Pathetic but oh so effing predictible. I don't want to hear anymore twaddle about Tsirpas and Syriza. Weaklings
Speaking of pussy.
With the Greek prostitutes cutting prices and the Russian prostitutes raising prices aren't we going to see some kind of squeeze going on?
This could turn into one humongous cat fight!
Courtesy of freedumb123:
http://news.yahoo.com/france-says-eu-move-further-sanctions-russia-13324...
Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias said there was no direct reference to Russian responsibility for the new developments in Ukraine in the joint statement and "the main thing that we wanted removed, and over which there was a two-hour battle, was the proposal for new sanctions."
Instead of mentioning the threat of new economic sanctions, the joint statement only mentioned "any appropriate action" was on the table for the Feb. 12 EU summit of government leaders. It was wording seen as a concession to those seeking to keep dialogue going with Russia.
What did you expect? Tsipras was always going to deal.
But the corporate news media told me Russia was bankrupt!
Seems like another great success in USrael foreing policy. This geopolitcal game is getting interesting now someone please bring the popcorn.
damn - was all bullshit as I kind of suspected
http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-eu-expands-russia-sanctions-as-new-uk...
If I have to choose between someone who looks like a circus clown [barry] and someone who looks like he could send my nose to the back of my skull [Putin], I'm going with choice #2...for anything....
Check to Putin (and the chinese who are probably behind it all)
The EU has a death wish with all this moar sanctions garbage.
Meanwhile, if Russia provides financial and other support to Greece, it may get some facilities in Greece in return. Like a listening post to monitor GCHQ comms going on in Akrotiri/Cyprus. This will take someone with knowledge and skills to run.
Enter Edward Snowden. ho-ho. Imagine that (!!)
It seems everyone has forgotten about the new and only gas route from Russia to the EU via Turkey, which stops at the Turkish/Greek border. Russia has said that the EU has to build their own pipeline to use this gas, which has to be built on Greek land by Greeks. The EU needs this gas and has nowhere else to get it from. ergo Greece has it over the EU, so a deal with Russia is not just the only way to go but it will be very profitable for Greece. So, Mr Tsipras has some horse trading to do with Russia, it can default with its debts and start anew, Iceland did it, and look at how well they are doing, Mr Tsipras could jail some bankers at the same time.
Now, about my fee...
Sure we will lend you the money and base a few jets with you just to really piss nato off.
USSA and EU : 0
Putin and Greece : 200
were we discussing asymmetric advantages?
Costs them nothing to have these very (cough) public discussions.