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Signs That The Economy Is Weakening

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Submitted by Lance Roberts of STA Wealth Management,

 

 

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Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:12 | 5721273 NoWayJose
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This is too much 'real world' stuff.  All it will take is a wink or a raised eyebrow from Yellen -- or possibly even a do-nothing Republican Congress actually doing something to stimulate growth.  Neither are meaningful -- but algorithms don't care.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:18 | 5721304 Headbanger
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Tylers:  Add to the charts the ECRI Weekly Leading Index is in the dumps:

https://www.businesscycle.com/ecri-news-events/news-details/economic-cyc...

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:51 | 5721472 knukles
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We want a Goldilocks Swirl-O-Gram!

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:05 | 5721567 NoDebt
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I love Swirlograms.

 

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:43 | 5721435 daveO
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Another false flag attack would serve the debt masters quite well.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:15 | 5721282 db51
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but.....but.....but   EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:23 | 5721283 El Vaquero
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When will the music finally come to an end? The charade will continue until it does.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:24 | 5721335 KnuckleDragger-X
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We're getting there, the real economy is sliding down and you can't run it on fairy dust and unicorn poop....

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:27 | 5721718 SickDollar
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you can definitly see it now. The real signs are all over

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:15 | 5721290 deeply indebted
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As if we needed any "signs.." The Fed knows. Politicians know. . Even the gleeful shit for brain talking heads know. Everybody knows!

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:34 | 5721743 crzyhun
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Everybody Knows...great Leonard Cohen song      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTc3hIEPTyo

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:16 | 5721291 Soul Glow
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When we say "inflation", do we really mean inflation?

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:35 | 5721399 SDShack
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Inflation? All I see written about is world wide deflation, but I see inflation on the goods and services I need every day. Is food, rent, healthcare, utlities, education, taxes, etc deflating? Costs are all inflating! The only cost deflating is gas. Meanwhile assets like wages and savings are deflating while housing is stagnant at best. The only asset inflating is stocks and we all know why. These "inflation" numbers are complete garbage.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:21 | 5721674 ultramaroon
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It's not just the price of eggs. I think he's saying:

1) Low demand for goods and services,
2) both exports and imports going down,
3) rates to ship freight by sea are going down (because of fewer cargo lots to ship),
4) copper and other industrial commodities demand weakening and prices going down as a consequence, 5) housing starts peaked in late 2012/early 2013 and have been going down ever since, 6) production is flat, but the "break-even" inflation rate (or the amount of inflation needed to profit from that production), is going down That's deflation. Check out this four-part essay on deflation: http://www.globaldeflationnews.com/inflation-vs-deflation-part-1which-on...
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:15 | 5721295 pods
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We have not had any organic (non debt fueled) growth for the last 30+ years.

Basically my entire adult life and most of my life has been a dream.

I have this fear I am going to wake up and my real life is a Monty Python Shit Collector,"

"We're an autonomous collective."

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:21 | 5721315 maskone909
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its as simple as, we have basically gotten rid of our manufacturing and became a net importer rather than exporter. 

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:24 | 5721330 pods
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That is one side of the ledger.

We needed to be an importer of everything but one to be the reserve currency.

Could you imagine the misery if we had to domestically consume all that extra debt?

Why, people might start asking questions.

pods

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:05 | 5721563 lasvegaspersona
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you chanelling robert triffin?

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:31 | 5721362 Dr. Engali
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The face of our exports have merely changed. Instead of material goods we now export financial weapons on mass destruction, freedom bombs, and waste products. All of which are not to be confused with the others.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:17 | 5721303 Tsar Pointless
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Are stawks still up? Yes.

All that matters.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:27 | 5721354 deeply indebted
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That's a transitory situation. I can assure you of that much beyond any doubt. Why? Because the Fed still has hubris enough to believe they're still in control.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:32 | 5721382 NoDebt
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Well, up-ish, maybe.  Not like we're hitting new highs three times a week any more.  More's the pity,

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:46 | 5721843 darteaus
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Are you from Venezuala?

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:25 | 5721324 drivenZ
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I stopped reading when he used the BDI to support his theory. Sorry Lance but you don't know what you're talking about.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:23 | 5721329 redc1c4
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what "economic prosperity"?

i don't see any.

i do see empty store fronts, higher food costs, higher energy costs, layoffs, mandatory furlough days, reduced w*rk hours and few j*b openings...

is that what we're calling prosperity now?

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:27 | 5721344 pods
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We're killing it, all the way down.

pods

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:34 | 5721388 NoDebt
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"higher energy costs"

You might want to remove than one from the auto-populate field.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:35 | 5721401 drivenZ
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Your energy costs are higher?  

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:25 | 5721342 Consuelo
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'Five man electrical band'...?    I thought 'signs' was a Tesla tune...?

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:32 | 5721373 Metalredneck
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Tesla now does Chariots of Fire.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:54 | 5721483 knukles
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Fuck Tesla

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:46 | 5721837 darteaus
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That could be a shocking experience.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:32 | 5721385 Raging Debate
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The author may not think a recession is imminent but I do. What is imminent? By the summertime of this year and best guess three quarters of negative growth. That will make this a triple "W" shaped depression so far since 2008, with each leg down occurring in roughly four year cycles.

We'll see how the debt gets restructured between now and 2020. When it does that will certainly have ripple effects to the wider economy for a solid year at least.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:52 | 5721473 daveO
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Subtract the Wall Street sector from the numbers and the economy has never recovered. It's a depression, five years and counting. The growth of BS has never been higher. It's never been a better time to buy!

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:54 | 5721487 madcows
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I think it started in 2005/6 time frame.  October 2007 is when the stock market finally took notice. FU Fed.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:35 | 5721400 homebody
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All seasonally adjusted BS just like the jobless claims

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 15:52 | 5721477 gcjohns1971
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Will it be because of Europe?

Or will it be for cyclical reasons, the same as Europe?

Or both?

I am thinking the correct answer is BOTH.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:03 | 5721546 gmak
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How about: half of 600 applications received within 24 hours for a min-wage serf job were Masters' degrees or better? Is that one of the signs of the apocalypse? Cue the cackling clueless idiots on MSM.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:05 | 5721569 Goldbugger
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AND ALL OF THE FEDS PRIINTING AND ALL OF THE FEDS MEN COULDN'T PUT THE ECONOMY BACK TOGETHER AGAIN !

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:09 | 5721585 sandlapper
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Deflation is occurring due to the reduction in consumerist driven growth.  The fact people are cutting back on their spending due to stagnant wages, uncertainty of future economic conditions, and the inflation in the cost of necessary commodities (oil excluded).  It would seem that consumers "cutting back" would decrease demand thereby lowering prices.  However you see inflation in the cost of almost every item you purchase at the grocery store.  Is this more the result of dollar devaluation via bailouts/QE or is it that producers of those items are attempting to catch more dollars by keeping prices high (I'm also including here the effect subsidies have in passing costs along to the end user)?

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:33 | 5721741 roadhazard
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When growth is based on credit and there is no credit then there is no growth.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 16:45 | 5721829 darteaus
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I don't follow the Cause -> Effect chart mumbo-jumbo articles that appear at least once a day here.  The reasoning is too complicated.

For me, it's simpler than that:

For the economy to grow, somebody has to be produce something of value.  If someone produces something of value, they get a paycheck.  The more value, the bigger the paycheck.  So the % of people working and the amount they get paid will be increase faster than population growth.  I.e., gross income growth % > population growth %.

US currently has: record % people NOT working; record people on disability; record people on Food Stamps; wages shrinking; small businesses closing faster than they open, etc.  So who is out there creating all this economic growth if nobody's working?

Finally, there's been no technological breakthrough like the Internet recently, or a world war, right?

If people aren't working, there is no growth.  It's just that simple.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 17:46 | 5722148 g speed
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simple is as simple  says----growth occures when something "grows" to become more of what it is---its a noun/verb thing. Now if you want additional verbage you might say "Growth is neccesary" and add because and then say to service debt---Or you might say Growth is a natural cycle beginning in birth and ending in death. In any case it is economic politico speak and is irrelevent to anything outside of economic models. Whats relevent is price --Now price is for all practical purposes a way of subtracting from the value of all the days you have left to live. The rub is that you have to do things with the time you have left as a trade to have the things neccesary to realize or extend the time you have left to live. Price is what you use to keep the books. By injecting concepts like "free" or "reduced" or "compounded" or "leveraged" or "growth" price is distorted.  Distorting the price is a con used to fudge the books. Who better to fudge the books than market makers like central banks. Economic Growth is a con job that benifits book fudgers who use it to make what they have more pricey and what you have less pricey. Ditto for inflation or depression. Pretty simple theft if you ask me. It really doesn't have diddly to do with work, value or a paycheck.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 18:24 | 5722374 darteaus
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You must be from Seattle.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 17:22 | 5722045 PiratePiggy
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>  "For months now I have been discussing that despite the "hopes" that this time is different, there is little chance that the U.S. can remain an island of economic prosperity in the sea of global deflation."

 

"I am a rock,
I am an island.
And a rock feels no pain;
And an island never cries."  - Paul Simon

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:43 | 5723861 Tom Green Swedish
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Since when was it ever strengthening.  It has been like shit for at least 15 years now.

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