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Thanks Obamacare: This Is What Americans Spent The Most Money On In Q4
If readers need clarification on what was the primary source of spending-based "growth" for the US economy in the fourth quarter, the same source that bumped up final Q3 GDP from 3.9% to 5.0%, please ping us: we will gladly explain the chart below. And just in case it is still unclear what Americans are spending their "gas sasvings" on, here it is one more time.
And just in case the fading impact of Obamacare is not already priced in, here is what Q4 inventories did: rising by $113.1 billion in Q4, this was the second highest quarterly increase in the 21st century, second only to September 2010. It's all GDP-crushing liquidations from here.
So big in fact that even the most upbeat permabull has no choice but to admit the truth:
A $113B inventory build in Q42014 means we could see less production and hence #GDP in the current quarter.
— Joseph A. LaVorgna (@Lavorgnanomics) January 30, 2015
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Thanks Obama!
You see how making more and more of your spending MANDATORY is helping the economy grow? We should be thankful.
Remember, in statist utopia everything that isn't prohibited will be mandatory.
People knew their deductibles and copays were going to go through the roof in January, so got what they could before then.
I want to see the evidence linking this increase to the Affordable Healthcare Act. We need to be scientific about this and provide reason and evidence for all of our conclusions. This strikes me as sloppy journalism. I don't personally believe that these healthcare costs are the result of Obamacare - in fact, I believe that this increase in healthcare costs calls for even more legislation to make healthcare more affordable.
Anybody who uses the term Affordable Healthcare Act in taking Kool-Aid I-V.
Might want to check the batteries in your sarcasm meter.
'Anybody' is a larger set than you assume.
What batteries? Aren't sarcasm-meters solar powered? Using solar cells generously subsidized through US government grants.
Maybe I am confusing them with orgasm meters? I know I have an orgasm going on in my sphincter with all this stimulus I am receiving. And I'm not even gay!
everybody knows government oversubsidised ethanol is more patriotic that solar.
Classic precursor to further economic downturns.
Think as if the increase in healthcare costs was like a massive increase in energy prices draining discretionary spending power further (Very Bad)
And massive inventory accumulation means layoffs to rid costs from businesses as production slows down the lines. (Very very Bad)
Booyah!
Buy them bonds, kiddies.
Y'all ain't seen nuffin, yet.
no wonder we didn't hear a peep from big hospital, big pharma, or big insurers. when this was pushed down our throats by reid pelosi and the dems.
Cost go up and up... Jobs go down and down
Layoff / Closing List: http://www.dailyjobcuts.com
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observation:food cost down, yea idiots bought junk/shit food sugar-HFCS/processed garbage for cheaper and needed moar medical care like pink eye, ear infections ect. duh, fucking scam of the century cheap non-food(can't even call it food) and higher medical care at scam cost and what is medical care? huh, "here is your prescription, go home and relax and watch some tb and you will be fine". "thanks doc, your wonderfull"...
where is my oxy, i need to be beamed out of here asap, can't hardly take this fucked up mess anymore s/
have a wonderfully, healthy day...
ps. sipping some home brew probiotics with a little concord grape and sour cherry nectar-organic and not from concentrate.
MDB has twice as many down arrows to up....
Which means there are twice as many dumbshits to perceptives on ZH.
Would you dullards still be huffing and puffing if MDB changed his screen name to SarcMonkey?
Probably.
...and Mitt Romney too. Lets not be partisan around here when both parties benefit from this screwjob.
It's some of the best community organizing I've seen thus far.
I saw a deathcare.gub commercial the other day. Something about a deadline. Damn near threw the remote at the teevee.
Hey Skateboarder.....I don't have a TV, don't know anything about a deadline, and I never signed up.
Fuck'em.
I'll comply when I am dead.
Sorry dude. The Democrats OWN this law. "Both sides do it" is a bunch of horse shit. Obamacare's passage was a hyper-partisan Liberal wet dream, with only a select few gutless Repugnicants who were bribed with our money to vote yes.
I absolutely cannot wait for the sheeple to finally realize how badly they have been raped by the Democrats when the corporate mandate begins. Hopefully the standard deceitful practice of waiting until after the election in 2016 won't be allowed. Once the sheeple realize how much this is costing them, the Democrats will get annihilated for the next 10 years.
Actually, there were precisely zero Repugnicant votes for BarryCare. You had it right initially, this is 100% on the Dems.
Republicans could veto the Obamacare but they did not.
Every 4-8 years US oligarchy is playing this game changing one POS for another. Yes, G. Bush was a great leader following by even greater great leader Obama following with even greater super-great great another Bush or even McCain or Sara Pailin.
People, you are something.
cacaonhma is correct -
I am still amazed by how many people find their way to this site and still espouse this left-right bullshit. How anyone can hold any faith is the political process once confronted with what is glairing truth (Republodems) that they are getting played, is unfathomable.
We are doomed. <bug-out sequence, initiate...>
Actually, no republican voted for it. The only people that stood in the way of it's passage were democrats and they were bribed and blackmailed by their own party to vote for it.
This factual reminder is in no way meant to be construed as support for suck ass republicans who absolutely would not repeal the law no matter how much of a majority they held.
oh good so youre telling me the next 10 years will be filled with new wars!
"...and Mitt Romney too."
Frick'n moron. Mitt Romney was not in the senate, not in the congress, and not president when Obamacare was voted on and passed. Romney had nothing to do with Obamacare. Yes, libtards try to claim that Obamacare is a conservative plan becasue the Heritage Foundation wrote a paper about healthcare decades ago ( (if it's so great why aren't they bragging about it being 100% democrat passed). Yes, Mass is being bankrupted by the nightmare of government healthcare - which Romney did take part in. But, NO, Romney - all republicans, actually - had nothing to do with the passage of the nightmare known as Obamacare.
The fuck you say....as long as squishy republicrats play the statist game of trying to consolidate power into gov hands through a game of buying votes from feeble minded voters (especially trying to beat the demoncrats at their own game), they all should be held suspect. They are (mostly) Statist, power crazed lunatics that will marginalize your rights at any turn to further their control.
The sooner you realize what you are up against, the sooner this scum will hang from lamp posts and the people wil have their rights back.
To upvote The9thDoctor's post above (you know you want to) left click on the gray background, tab to the userid, tab to the avatar, then tab once more to the upvote thing, and hit enter. If you clicked lower in the gray field you won't tab to the userid first, you'll go straight to the avatar.
(This bug has something to do with the site not liking a post which begins in italics, IIRC. Thanks to other posters who have explained how to do this.)
Despite Mitten's major suckage in basically every conceivable way, he held NO elective office at the time sooooo nope, not so much.
we can only thank the one god that now that the republicans control the house and senate that obamacare will be repealed.
Now that's funny.
Don't get sick ! Try to avoid the pesticide coated, antibiotic saturated, fructose manufatured, hormone enhanced eggs, pink slime meat and green shoots they call veggies.
Don't worry. Sure Obamacare is an expensive, non-functional, fascist rip-off of the American population. But in just a few short years the Rethuglicans will smooth out most of those wrinkles, and the reformed health system will fit you, your children, and your children's children, like a gimp suit.
This is hardly what you call growth; it’s just transfer.
Oversubsidized ethanol is especially patriotic since it has the triple benefit of subsidizing GMO seeds and Roundup and diverting good farmland away from the production of real foodstuffs.
Win, win, win!
/s
Pop songs are structured around rhymes. Somebody needs to write a pop song that uses the words "orgasm" and "sarcasm" in a rhyme. A guaranteed hit for whoever writes/performs it.
When the free shit army has an orgasm
What they produce is called sarcasm
sung to any tune you'd like.... best something like Dixie, as I had other ideas for the words but decided against it... one of them politness thaings
I have to give it to ya MDB, you are consistent in that you seem to never fail to disappoint...
Congrats...
I am pretty sure that MDB is a Ray Kurzweil Algo processing type AI/Expert System/Language Processing construct programmed by someone with a sick sense of humor.
According to zerohead, it is Matt Sinclair.
Yeah, thats what they want you to believe.
I've always liked the cut of MDB's gibberish.
I wonder how much is for actual Sickcare products and services vs. Premiums for Sick Care coverage.
I got $0 in "Sick Care" Q4. All of my spending was for coverage. Same is Q3.
Paid $10,800 in premiums plus $1,000 in one doctor's visit. Prior year $5,200 in premium $0 in doctor's visits.
Affordable Schmordable.
If it gets even more affordable, I will go broke.
BooYah Bitchez, Buy, Buy, Buy...
Yeah, I was thrown off my old BCBS plan and forced into Barry's Community Plan which forced my deductible sky high. Bankruptcy due to sickness/costs, Obamacare will move to the forefront.
Any resemblance between OBOZOcare and a typical extortion racket is purely coincidental.
Any resemblance between OBOZOcare and a typical extortion racket is purely intentional, there, fixed it for ya !
We extorted some folks.
Just paid 750 bucks, cash, for a root canal and crown. No Insurance, no premiums, etc, because I'm NOT IN THE USSA.
America's gonna make you sick, and then it's gonna bankrupt you. Once you've got nothing left to steal, it'll kill you and feed you to the other livestock. Get out.
Kill you and bill you.
MDB ... what happened to your failed progressive blog....
My guess is that he didn't spend enough time on HuffPo seeding it, so it lacked the activation energy to become self-fueling.
Sure, just what we need more legislation and regulations from a body of corrupt and criminal millionaire low life scumbag lawyers. So far they have been doing such an outstanding job their approval rating is below 8% Please spare us the useless input
I don't know why you guys are bashing obama or his healthcare law. He said he was going to lead us into a glorious recovery, and if it weren't for this wonderful law, we wouldn't have the GDP growth we now enjoy. We should be thanking him, and asking for moar...
(do i really need a sarc tag?
Obama promised Hope and Change. If you think about it, that is precisely what he has given us. Two nebulous words that can be interpreted many different ways and he knew that the hopelessly deluded idiots of this country would think they would be better off. Unfortunately for us, they are the majority.
Miffed
I know my premiums jumped 50% beginning in December of 2014 for the same coverage, co-pay, and deductilbe.
Anyone living in the real world can attest to more of their disposable income going to Healthcare.
Sounds like you would rather waste a few million on a government sudy though?
More legislation is the last thing this country needs unless it is to abolish laws, regulations, and entire Federal Agencies.
Well I definitely trust government studies more than hearsay. In my experience government committees tend to be highly objective and upstanding, and are actually cheaper than private research.
You are an anathema to self-evident logic.
Try talking to people as opposed to blindly putting your faith in a government study. Government committees are anything but objective or upstanding. They are not cheaper and government studies are funded by money the government has stolen from the people they "represent".
lol
Haha...+1 for "highly objective and upstanding".
MDB: You are a giant among bureaucrats...
Live forever MDB.
Holy shit. We got ourselves someone who went full retard on us. Hey MDB (something you won't ever get with Obamadoesntcare in effect), how many bobbleheads of the American Fuhrer did you have shoved up your ass when you posted that piece of shit?
"Well I definitely trust government studies more than hearsay. In my experience government committees tend to be highly objective and upstanding, and are actually cheaper than private research."
In my experience goverment studies tend to support, promote and justify the objectives of the group doing the study and not be an objective analysis of any given situation. And usually, the objective is to spend more money. Status in the government largely derives from how much money you control, that is, Budget = Status. A lot of what they do is try and raid the budgets of their peers and think up new programs to attract new funding.
They are also extrmely expensive. Hourly rates for government personnel are sometimes twice or more than rates for private companies, which is one reason the government will use contractors. (note, I am not trying to justify the use of contractors, I am just saying they can be a lot less expensive than govies, and if you need a biased, butt sucking work of sophistry quick and on the cheep, then you have your contractors ready to help).
You're losing your touch, MDB. You used to be funny. Not so much anymore. What happened?
It's the material he has to work with. It isn't his fault...there's not much funny about anything any more.
Most of us have finally lost our humor about this shit. It just ain't funny anymore.
I finally bought health insurance last year after not being covered for a long time - over 10 years. I just paid out-of-pocket when needed and saved a ton of money.
I needed some work on my shoulder done - repairing rotator cuff, etc - so I got it done. Here are the numbers for 2014
Premium paid for Silver coverage with Horizon - $6,480
Deductible - $2,000
Copay for the surgery - $2,400
Total out-of-my-pocket - $10,800
Amount Doctors Billed - $87,134
Amount Horizon Paid Doctors - $14,235
So I guess I saved some money, but it still cost me over $10 grand and the surgery was only 1 hour.
you could have taken the same amount of money, flown overseas, gotten it all done and then had a nice vacation.... and it would have cost less.
Laomei - Exactly what I will do if I need surgery. A quick story. I needed a cholonoscopy for a divestive condition. I was quoted $2,300 cash. I asked repeatedly if there were to be any other expenses. That if so, I would go to Cancun, get it down there and have a vacation in an all inclusive resort. They said no.
Anyways, got a bill from a seperate company afterward for $1,500 for tye labs. I mean, it really cost that much to analyze two pollops? In any event,
I never got any other diagnosis or a lab report.
The surgical office told me they were supposed to give me a consent form for labs and didn't but thats now my problem to deal with the lab company. Should have went with my gut and went to Cancun to have it done. I am done, any surgery I'll fly to another country and pay cash. I'll also be paying $695 in tax in 2015 for no health care plan. This year it is that flat tax or 2.5% of income.
The Supreme court's ruling that this was a tax is correct. It would have saved people a lot of pain if they just raised the federal income tax 2.5%. But then no crony politician would have got kick-backs and could safely place there own funds into insurance companies guaranteed for stock price to rise based on it being mandated. What a dirty place America is becoming...
My neighbor flew to Chang Mai for her hip surgery. Said they were all British trained surgeons and the hospital was more like the Ritz. Total out of pocket for her was $12,500 she said. Seems to be doing well from what I can see.
When I was in China a few years ago I had about 14 moles burned off for an incredible $2/mole. Here, the schmuck wanted $8,000 and out-patient surgery plus the path costs.
I'd love to get a breakdown of the doctor's 8000 into line items per mole, such as,
'How I"m doctor Gadget': $20,
'Have a seat': $10,
doctor reaching for record: $75,
doctor farting: $40,
click ON button of mole extraction contraption: $95,
Doctor sneeze: $115,
etc. Fooking absurd system.
>>>I asked repeatedly if there were to be any other expenses. ...Anyways, got a bill from a seperate company afterward for $1,500 for the labs. I mean, it really cost that much to analyze two pollops?
It depends on the polyps etc. etc., but a "free market" price might be on the order of $300 (or less). You have just been fucked over by a pathology lab (just like it says is going to happen, in the fine print that they didn't give you to read).
The healthcare racket is always the same: any procedure, you take the reasonable real cost and multiply it by 8X-10X, is always like they want to see if the insurance company or some rich idiot pays a ridiculous amount. No wonder ... and then you have all the free shit army and illegal aliens getting the same procedures for zero
They literally have to charge that much though. All the insurance companies have deals worked out where they are guaranteed a matching discount, or even a "better" discount than anyone else. So to get $100, they have to claim it's $5,000. Of course, the insurance companies can take that $5000 figure and claim it was medical expenses to meet the requirements on how much premium can be profit.... and that premium, of course, is used as a slush fund to do whatever the fuck they feel like with in the meantime.
it's a fucking scam. it's also the #1 issue why i left the fucking us, and the #1 issue i will not be returning. absolute bullshit and the fact that the nation puts up with it is just a sin. there should be blood in the street over this crap.
>>>it's a fucking scam. it's also the #1 issue why i left the fucking us, and the #1 issue i will not be returning. absolute bullshit and the fact that the nation puts up with it is just a sin. there should be blood in the street over this crap.
You are absolutely correct. I'm a "US person" (a medical doctor, in fact), and the single biggest reason I don't spend time in the USA is the absurd, ueber-scam known as "US Healthcare, Inc". As it stands, every retired, non-1% person in the USA will be bankrupted by the system - it's only a matter of time. Accordingly, at some point the US system will be changed, but God only knows what it will be changed into.
Herb Stein's Law applies, in spades.
L.O.L. - MDB.... :-))
The Mastah is in the house yo.
You have to be the biggest asshat on GOD'S green earth.
Agreed, It has been scientifically proven that the aging and chronically ill boomer poluation are causing healthcare costs to rise y/y. More legislation needs to be brought forward to tackle obseity and compassionate methods to transition this subset of the population into cost effective hospice centers where real healthcare can be preserve for productive members of society. I applaud Michelle Obama's "Let's Move" initiative and the healthy local garden she installed at the White House. President Obama's Affordable Health Care Act has been a great start but more needs to be done to curb obesity in the youth who have a prosperous future to look forward to. I.E. Soda and Alcohol taxes, incentives to live an active lifestyle.
Trouble with you Zirp is that you actually seem to believe the shite you write. In stark contrast to MDB's excellent satire.
Alternatively, give out free Nembutal scripts.
Only for retirement folks.
I have been following this site for around six years now.
Watching... Judging...
The collective I.Q. of this pages readership has dwindled precipitously sinse the removal of the math question that allowed membership.
(Usually resulting in a negative number). I have only recently joined.
My very first post ever, will be to congratulate M.D.B. on his outstanding trolling skills.
Hook, line and sinker motherfuckers!!
And, as for me, I CANNOT TAKE MY EYES OFF JOE L'S MASSIVE FOREHEAD!
Tyler, Million Dollar Baby is back.......
We need to be scientific about this and provide reason and evidence for all of our conclusions.
I suggest, as your first cut, you go back to before health care costs became a bargaining chip with the unions. I'm absolutely sure you will see a dramatic and ever increasing rate of health care cost increases with the advant and expansion of company supported health insurance. Why am I sure? I've lived through it.
You can then contrast that with non-company supported risks ... like the risk your car will require mechanical service. Make that a company provided insurance benefit and I guarantee the cost of maintaining your car will increase dramatically.
You should spend a lot less of your bonus on recreational pharmaceuticals. Your brain will thank you.
Dude this shit is obvious. Smoke a joint and calm your dick or get the fuck out.
"I believe that this increase in healthcare costs calls for even more legislation to make healthcare more affordable."
You're fucking with us, right? After receiving notice from my insurance provider of my existing policy falling short of the minimum requirements of the Affordable Care Act, I was given an option to enroll in a plan that provides the exact same coverage, but with maternity care and birth control coverage, all for a mere 40% increase in cost... Ready for the kicker? I don't even have a vagina.
STOP TRYING TO "HELP US".
Nice to see you back, MDB. Perhaps you've been gone too long for the downvotes to realize that your MO is sarc and sarc alone.
I agree that we need more data linking the increase in healthcare costs to the ACA - you really don't want to arbitrarily draw conclusions without solid data. However, regarding your statement calling for more legislation -- that I cannot agree with. We have way too many laws as it is. IMO, laws, while purported to be protectionary/policy mechanisms for the less fortunate, are actually cleverly disguised monetary surplus vehicles for those more fortunate...
Brought to us by the same guy who thinks Global Warming is the most important issue of our lifetimes. I think you work for Obama's press secretary.
no bonus 4 U,
the WHOLE point of the ACA was to prevent this from even happening. Seems to me it is obvious that the ACA did NOT deliver. OTOH, it only cost something like 50 grand for each person served.
you do know that would have paid for a lot of premiums WITHOUT making huge and ineffective websites, adding layers of paperwork etc.
or did you miss that too?
Like I said, MDB[_] is a /s^infinity master, causing some people to telewarp into a parellel miniverse upon reading his comments (depends on /s battery's electromotive levels of the reader)
I believe that this increase in healthcare costs calls for even more legislation to make healthcare more affordable
In other words, you want to repeal the law primarily responsible for those cost increases, Obamacare. But you seem to be in love with it despite it's glaring failure so, I guess I'm a little confused about what you're trying to say.
I will respect your request for evidence versus assertions.
Let me briefly explain why this could one of the biggest economic wet blankets of all time (even though the web page crashed and I have to rewrite it ^$(@%@)
1. Obamacare skyrockets premium costs for the same or even less healthcare. We are all paying more for no extra products or services.
2. Fines will be assessed this year on tax returns further raising the costs not to mention pain as millions will now tangle with all those newly hired IRS agents who run it.
3. Early studies on both RomneyCare and this plan show people actually go to the doctor less because of the super high out of pocket costs. This will have a future bill, kind of like the U.S. debt.
4. Good plans get taxed to fund it at punitive rates. See the above three points. Private insurance will probably drop over time.
All these things essentially chew up resources and run it through the government black hole of money and productivity. Essentially, the government police state just grew itself significantly along with wasting what will become more hundreds of billions of dollars for no extra product.
This is what happens when people who know neither healthcare nor economics take over a large section of an economy. I bet even ole Gruber himself did not see this coming.
Hi
It is funny but it is true. With whopping new deductibles, everyone who has met or is near to meeting the deductible scrambles to get all health care stuff done before the end of the year. I had a knee surgery in January of last year. That cost me my full deductible which thankfully owing to the fact that I have a Platinum plan was only $1500. As the year wore down I realized I needed ot get my other knee done if I wanted to save the decutible. I would almost certainly have waited until the middle of the current year otherwise. I mean it needed doing but I made it happen earlier to save the cost. I also got a CPAP machine in December for sleep amnea for the same reason. abig expense that I would have borne had I done it later is paid by the insurabce company as long as I do it before the end of the year. I talked to the schedulers at these health providers and they confirmed that people were madly scrambling to get stuff done before their deductibles zeroed back out and it would cost them more.
Obamacare, like any punitive nonsensical government boondoggle, changes peoples behaviors.
You don't have $400-$800 to buy a CPAP that will last 5-10 years?
mine is a bipap, about 2600 buckaroos.
awesome device though. built in humidifier etc.
If you consume medical care because it's a bargain, you deserve the untoward consequences you will certainly encounter.
Maybe you should have had a colonoscopy and a full body CT, plus a pecker extension, since they were such a deal.
Ok Peanutheads...before you shoot it all over your own face (too late for many of you, I'm sure)...let's see the 20 year chart of consumer spending; I'm betting "Health Care" has been at the top for a LONG TIME.
If the Government gives me money to spend on "health care", is that "consumer spending"? Isn't that ObamaCare? The Government giving me money to buy something the "free market" has failed to deliver (or refuses to deliver) at a price I can afford on my own?
ObamaCare estimates are ~$100 Billion a year GIVEN to people to buy a "free market" product with others BEING FORCED to buy that free market product...Bet the "Health Indusrty" is very pleased with that arrangement...any chance this fits the description of CRONY FUCKING CAPITALISM? Wake up morons.
The proof will be when the Republican controlled Congress "tries really hard" to repeal ObamaCare, but in the end fails becuase of that Muslim in the White House and his veto pen...BS.
PS> For you assholes that bring up Government meddling being the cause of the high prices, i will give you that to a degree...but this no greater meddling than MEDICARE...so you better be all up in fucking arms demanding a repeal of Medicare along with ObamaCare.
Locally, hospitals are building like there's infinite demand out there. Meanwhile, I haven't been to a witch doctor in over 10 years.
Congress does not need the cooperation of the Executive branch to defund an agency or program. Their lack of a spine and the fact that they are complicit is the reason ObamaCare will survive.
Medicare should be taken care of at the state level, not the Federal Level. That money should be block granted back to the states.
0'Bamacare gives money for Premiums, and demands that everybody be covered for prenatal care and worthless horseshit like that.
"but this no greater meddling than MEDICARE" -- what are you trying to say/communicate?
I'm hip on crony capitalsism, it sucks, and its byproduct is 'today's world'...
But the problem when the first quarter 2015 GDP comes in is that there will not be the boost to GDP like ObamaCare.
Recession is inevitable.
You can sign up and pay or you can go to camp.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkSkQgnEV-Q
Who the hell needs food when you have Barry Care!!!
Same team, AHEM!
President Nixon: Say that I—I—I'd tell him I have doubts about it, but I think that it's, uh, now let me ask you, now you give me your judgment. You know I'm not to keen on any of these damn medical programs.
Ehrlichman: This, uh, let me, let me tell you how I am—
President Nixon: [Unclear.]
Ehrlichman: This—this is a—
President Nixon: I don't [unclear]—
Ehrlichman: —private enterprise one.
President Nixon: Well, that appeals to me.
Ehrlichman: Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason that he can—the reason he can do it—I had Edgar Kaiser come in—talk to me about this and I went into it in some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care, because—
President Nixon: [Unclear.]
Ehrlichman: —the less care they give them, the more money they make.
President Nixon: Fine. [Unclear.]
Ehrlichman: [Unclear] and the incentives run the right way.
President Nixon: Not bad.That's the truth, absolute. The less actual health care they give, the more money they make. Its why health care can not be a for profit business.
That's insurance. Insurance and health care have not always been so closely linked. Health care sucks because of the financialization of the industry just like everything else. Insurance salesmen are basically the same as lawyers, bankers or politicians.
Health insurance companies will essentiall become a GSE. They will now begin demanding or lobbying for ever more money as government dependents. There is a reason that fighter planes cost eye bleeding amounts only we will not get anything as good as a modern fighter.
We will pay MORE for LESS services. The more money will be in government and insurance hands while the sytem deals with fewer services.
Its called "lobbyist-care", son.
Hope and Change !!
no ... Hoax and Chains !
"Forward, Soviet!"
"Munchkins, it sound sooo cool when you say it!"
"Thanks, Reggie!"
WTF is their "gas sasvings" on,
I guess I get what I paid for.... But don't people still think things like proofing and spelling matter? That those things still are an indication of intelligence or at least provide some reason why anyone should read their article?
Yessir, u bet the middle class is being looked after by the corrupt imbecilic divisive incompetent arrogant narcissistic illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic pathological liar in chief fudgepacker while living its celebrity grand imperial golf lifestyle on tax paying U.S. citizens serfs & peasants. Wutta syphlytic turd.
It's no wonder that I lost weight...
Now that your healthy again you don't need healthcare. Cancel your plan, if you can, and live it up.
ObozoCare is intentionally designed to destroy the American economy and reduce population. I don't see why it is so difficult for some to understand this. The intent of insuring all is noble and therefore used to pitch it but the true intent of the program is very obvious - like Cap and Trade.
Thanks Obama?
We knew Obama’s position on national health care and transfer of the wealth. What Americans had hoped for was some serious opposition to Obama. The real criminals in this crisis are the Republican leaders like Boehner and McConnell who accepted a major move into government socialism with hypocrisy, lies and duplicity.
Their banker support was too important for them to save Americans from this tyranny. Every socialist government that’s had to depend on itself for survival has failed. And when Republicans didn’t stop this onslaught, that’s exactly where America is headed.
There will be no free enterprise provider to feed the American people as the US fed the USSR’s starving citizens when Soviet Communism failed.
Accelerate the deflationary collapse!
Game over this year!
Actually that chart doesn't tie to the info on the St. Louis Fed's website which shows healthcare spending in Q4 of $1.857 billion. The above chart looks like a number over $2 trillion. I am curious as to the source of Tyler's numbers and what the difference is.
but, but, but... ..."inflation is low"...
Yeah, that cost of living, relative to WAGES, just keeps going down....
FAIL.
Just saw ground sirloin at over $7.00 /lb yesterday. I bought dried beans.
I'll repeat this for those that missed it the first time around.
Buy two large freezers.
Go to any state fair in your vicinity. Show up on the day of the 4H livestock auction. Buy the whole steer. Go in with friends if you can't afford it yourself.
These auctions are charitable events. Do you see where I am going with this?
Okay, it's tax time... Deduct your charitable costs once if you keep the meat, deduct the charitable costs twice if you redonate the steer.
Enjoy grass fed beef w/no hormones for around $3 to $3.50/lb (that's for all cuts! - whether it's ground chuck or T-bone). That's your average price after butchering.
Invite friends over for barbecue. They will be impressed.
The local halal butcher sells 1/2 a vealer for $4/lb, and he saws it up any way you want. Grass fed, no hormones/antibiotics/other growth promoters.
Those damn muzzies....destroying our way of life.
I love going to the "cheap" super market and seeing the "specials" on fucking ground beef. I bought some at $3.50 per lb and got sick to my stomach the couple times I ate it. We are so rich, we have to pay premium for ground beef which isn't filled with toxic pink slime.
The price of everything has tripled over the past 10 years, but thank GOD we have no inflation!
But hasn't the average wage rate failed to keep pace
even with the officially reported low rate of inflation?
Price change (inflation) is only half the picture.
Must also consider change (stagnation) of wage rate.
Make sure you go out and get your flu shot. It's not too late.
That increase must have been me. Damn L5S1 disc.
pods
sorry about your disc. thats rough.
It was sticking out like a tongue. Back to 100% but PT kicks my ass.
Anyone ever had their butt kicked by a yoga ball? I used to laugh at them, but realized you cannot cheat or compensate while keeping form while using them.
pods
I used to laugh at yoga, but now that I have been doing it once a week for three years, it has changed my life. Wonder what twice a week would have done?
I now know what it feels like to be the monkey fucking a football.
fu(kity fu(k Fu(k. I thought Obama said cost would go down? This guy.....
...& tits
Yes, Roberts voted to uphold the individual mandate, joining the court's liberal wing to give President Obama a 5-4 victory on his signature piece of legislation. Right-wing partisans are crying treason; left-wing partisans saw their predictions of a bitter, party-line defeat undone.
http://www.slate.com Source.
No Blue team Red Team, kiddies. Just huxters,
I no longer see Dems and Repubs... neo-con, paleo-con, liberal, progressive... it's all just Bolsheviks arguing over the most attractive shade of pink.
I see no ideals. I just see greed; personal benefits and greed.
Labels hide what it really is.
I am not sure Congress will fix this looming economic debacle because of two things. First, they do not understand it. How many even work in any branch of the medical field? Second, they isolated themselves from it. They do not see firsthand the economic pain they inflicted. The Dems passed it alone but the Republicans are guilty, as well if they do not fix or repeal it.
Yes, Roberts voted to uphold the individual mandate, joining the court's liberal wing to give President Obama a 5-4 victory on his signature piece of legislation.
Any question that cannot gain a unaninmous opinion at the highest court in the land should be abandoned as something the government cannot act on or apply force to.
Just another flaw in our constitution.
Well, at least they didn't have to give up food and beverage consumption to be able to afford it....oh, wait
but but but, muh gas price savings?!
Rob the small guy and smile doing it. Should be Obama's legacy.
It's kind of a hallmark of the office itself. Andrew Jackson is about the only notable exception I can think of.
A dumb black muslim - lol & lol
Hoe Hum, spent my money yesterday on Primers, boolits and 500 CCI stingers. Where does that fall in? Healthcare?