The Czechoslovakia crisis of 1938 marked a pivotal shift in the balance of power in Central Europe, putting the major world superpowers in a collision course. The policies of one superpower in particular made inevitable what was to come less than a year later - World War II.
This episode provides important historical insights on geopolitics, appeasement strategies, buffer zones, ethnic tensions – and unintended consequences.
Background
Czechoslovakia was formed as a sovereign state in October 1918, and eventually became one of the most democratic, prosperous and best administered of all the nations that emerged out of the collapse of the Habsburg Empire after World War I.
In 1930, the country had a population of 15 million, consisting of 6 million Czechs (40% of total), 4 million Slovaks (27%), 3.2 million Germans (21%), and the balance (12%) split between Hungarians, Polish, Ruthenians and foreigners. The large number of minorities arose from the need to give Czechoslovakia defensible and viable frontiers. This was a sensitive issue for the sizeable German speaking population, which had previously attempted to unite with German Austria.
There were four main regions in the country (listed from west to east): Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia and Ruthenia. The western regions were wealthier. The border districts of Bohemia and Moravia and the domestic portion of Silesia were inhabited primarily by German speakers, a region known as the Sudetenland (a name derived from the Sudetes Mountains, which run along the northern border).
The Sudetens were unhappy with the state of the Czechoslovak union, and not just because of their longing to reunite with whom they perceived to be their cultural brethren. Their region had been the most industrialized of the Habsburg Empire, and suffered disproportionately from the curtailment of markets pursuant to the new territorial division; they were largely at the “giving end” of the country’s agrarian reforms; and the government was primarily controlled by the Czechs.
Their discontentment became even more pronounced after the onset of the world depression in 1929. Hitler’s subsequent rise to power and the perception that his policies were restoring Germany to its former glory only added more fuel to the fire. And before long, tempers were boiling over.
The Sudeten Issue
Only a part of the Sudetens were Nazis, but these were noisy, organized and funded from Berlin. Accordingly, their numbers grew steadily. The Czechoslovak government became alarmed with this development, banning the Nazi Party in 1934. Under Konrad Henlein, however, it merely changed its name to the Sudeten German Party (“SdP”) and promptly became the agent for Hitler’s campaign in the country.
As a result of Henlein’s insistent demands, the government progressively granted more autonomy to the Sudetens, including a proposal for full local administration by 1937. While he evidently could not state this publicly, Henlein’s real intent was to tear apart the Czechoslovak state. Therefore, he kept increasing his demands to the point where he and Hitler knew would became unacceptable, particularly as they undermined the country’s fortified security in the north against Nazi Germany.
On 24 April 1938, the SdP issued the Karlsbader Programm, demanding full autonomy for the Sudetenland and the freedom to profess Nazi ideology. If Henlein’s demands were granted, the region would be able to finally align itself with Nazi Germany.
Czechoslovakia's political crisis was now in full bloom. And the government found little help from its Western counterparts.
Choosing a Lesser Evil
Despite its internal struggles, Czechoslovakia featured impressive military capabilities. Its army consisted of 34 divisions, ranking amongst the better equipped in Europe; it had an excellent fortification system (provided the configuration of its borders remained intact); and it had alliances with France, the Soviet Union, as well as Romania and Yugoslavia under the Little Entente.
After the Anschluss, Nazi Germany’s invasion of Austria, Bohemia was surrounded on three sides. However, Hitler could not safely invade this region as the Czechoslovaks could counter from their fortified base into Bavaria.
As it turned out, Hitler relied on more than just political subversion to break any military stalemate, and from an unlikely source: his major Western European adversaries.
Seemingly fearful that Czechoslovakia could never stand up to Nazi Germany after its invasion of Austria, not even if the Soviets came to its aid, the British government of Neville Chamberlain started putting pressure on key counterparts to reach a political compromise – and particularly on the Czechoslovaks to make concessions to Hitler in exchange for assurances of non-aggression. The idea was to turn the country into a neutral territory like Switzerland, with no significant military alliances and whose peace would be guaranteed by France and Nazi Germany.
In addition to avoiding a direct military confrontation, there was an undertone to Chamberlain’s appeasement overtures towards the Nazis: creating a strong buffer zone against the Soviet Union. In Britain’s assessment of the balance of power in Central Europe, Hitler was perceived as a lesser evil than Stalin. And should Nazi Germany’s influence ever start to get out of bounds, even at the expense of the French, the Brits could counter it by closely aligning themselves with the English-speaking world – including the United States.
The French, Germany’s fiercest adversaries over the previous hundred years, had similar concerns when looking out to the East. The fear of Bolshevism was pervasive in political circles, particularly amongst influential conservatives, who viewed the fall of Czechoslovakia as a way to undermine Stalin’s aspirations in Central Europe. Moreover, sitting behind the fortified Maginot line, the French government did not want to face Nazi Germany alone and increasingly took its lead from the British government.
The Soviets were thus the only significant European power seeing Hitler’s pretensions with great consternation. Right after the Anschluss, they called for consultations to stop Nazi aggression and eliminate the prospect of a major confrontation. They were dismissed outright by the British, who in turn publicly stated that they would not come to the rescue of Czechoslovakia in case of an invasion.
As we shall see, Britain’s role in this whole crisis proved decisive in many more ways than one.
The Munich Agreement
The Czechoslovaks resisted British and French pressure, and on 20 May 1938 a partial mobilization was under way in response to a possible Nazi German invasion. They were right to be cautious. Ten days later, Hitler signed a secret directive for war against Czechoslovakia to begin no later than 1 October of that year.
A new mediator appointed by the British eventually persuaded the Czechoslovak government to agree on a plan acceptable to the Sudetens, in large part because it never wished to sever its ties with Western Europe. Accordingly, on 2 September, nearly all the demands of the Karlsbader Programm were granted.
Intent on obstructing conciliation, however, the SdP held demonstrations that provoked police action on 7 September. The Sudetens broke off negotiations on 13 September, after which violence and disruption ensued. As Czechoslovak troops attempted to restore order, Henlein flew to Germany, and on 15 September issued a proclamation demanding the takeover of the Sudetenland by Germany.
On the same day, Hitler met with Chamberlain and demanded the takeover of the Sudetenland under the threat of war, as he claimed that the Sudetens were being slaughtered. Despite an official British investigation confirming that Sudeten leaders had been behind the unrest, Chamberlain nevertheless referred the demand to the British and French governments, which was promptly accepted.
The Czechoslovaks protested, arguing that Hitler's proposal would eventually leave them at his mercy. In response, Britain and France issued an ultimatum. Chamberlain contended that the Sudetens’ grievances were justified and believed that Hitler's intentions were limited. On 21 September, Czechoslovakia finally capitulated. The next day, however, Hitler added new demands, insisting that the claims of Poland and Hungary also be satisfied.
The capitulation precipitated an outburst of national indignation. In demonstrations and rallies, both Czechs and Slovaks called for a strong military government to defend the integrity of the state. A new cabinet was installed, and on 23 September a decree of general mobilization was issued. The Soviet Union announced its willingness to come to Czechoslovakia’s assistance. The Czechoslovak President, however, refused to go to war without the support of the Western powers.
As all of this was unfolding, the British and French governments took steps to align public opinion with their ultimatum on Czechoslovakia. Accordingly, a war scare with Nazi Germany was built up by grossly exaggerating its military capabilities, reaching full panic mode by 28 September.
On that day, Chamberlain reached out to Hitler for a conference. Hitler met the following day in Munich with the government heads of France, Italy and Britain; all signed what would be known as the Munich Agreement. The Czechoslovak government, which was neither invited nor consulted, capitulated on 30 September and agreed to abide by the agreement.
Czechoslovakia’s Borders After the Munich Agreement
The Munich Agreement stipulated that Czechoslovakia must cede the Sudeten territory to Germany, with its occupation completed by 10 October. An international commission would supervise a general vote to determine the final frontier. Hungary and Poland would also get lands and people. Britain and France promised to join in an international guarantee of the new frontiers against unprovoked aggression. Ominously, Germany and Italy decided not to join this guarantee until the Polish and Hungarian minority problems were settled.
A Plot to Assassinate Hitler
When Hitler signed the secret directive to invade Czechoslovakia, he set in motion a chain of events in his own country which might have changed the course of history. Unfortunately for his compatriots and the rest of the world, Hitler’s diabolic lucky charm was still with him during that time.
In that directive, Hitler clearly stated his “unalterable decision to smash Czechoslovakia by military action in the near future”. In the case of war with Czechoslovakia, whether France intervened or not, all forces should be concentrated on the Czechoslovaks in order to achieve an “impressive success” in the first three days of the invasion. Only then could forces be transferred to the French frontier. All regular forces were to be withdrawn from East Prussia in order to speed up the defeat of the Czechoslovaks. No major provision was made for a war against the Soviets. The deployment of troops would begin on 28 September 1938.
Several Nazi military leaders were in shock, alarmed by the prospect of a quick defeat by exposing so many flanks to foreign aggression. This was also shared by the entire Foreign Ministry, except for Ribbentrop, the Foreign Minister and a Nazi to the core. Hitler was isolated in his mountain retreat, cut off from any outside contacts by his inner circle. This group insisted that the Soviet Union, France and Britain would not fight and that the Czechoslovaks were bluffing.
By August the dissenters were becoming desperate. They reached out to senior foreign allies in order to make Hitler realize the folly of his plan, to no avail. Finally, a conspiracy of major generals and important civil leaders was formed to pursue the three strategies: (i) make Hitler see the truth; (ii) to inform the British of their efforts and ask them to stand firm on the Czechoslovak issue and to tell the German government that Britain would fight if Hitler made war on Czechoslovakia; and (iii) to assassinate Hitler if he nevertheless issued the order to invade.
Although many messages were sent to Britain in the first two weeks of September by senior German officials, the British refused to cooperate. Accordingly, a plan was made to assassinate Hitler as soon as the attack was ordered.
This project was canceled at noon on 28 September when news reached Berlin that Chamberlain was going to Munich to yield to Hitler’s demands. The attack order was to have been given by Hitler at 2:00 P.M. that day.
An Alternative Reality…
Even if Hitler had survived that assassination attempt, a war against Czechoslovakia might not have been as quick as he had planned for.
Germany had 22 partly trained divisions on the Czechoslovak frontier, while the Czechoslovaks had 17 first-line and several other divisions which were superior from every point of view except air support. In addition, they had excellent fortifications and higher morale. By the third week of September, Czechoslovakia had 1 million men and all its divisions under arms. The Germans increased their mobilization to 31 and ultimately to 36 divisions, but this likely still represented a smaller force.
The Soviets had about 100 divisions. While these could not be used directly against Germany, because Poland and Romania would not allow them to pass over their territory, they would have been a threat to ensure the neutrality of Poland and Hungary, effectively isolating Germany. In any case, the Soviet Air Force could help Czechoslovakia directly; the Soviets could have likely overrun East Prussia across the Baltic States and from the Baltic Sea, since it had been almost completely denuded of regular German Army forces.
France, which did not completely mobilize, had the Maginot Line fully manned on a war basis, plus more than 20 infantry divisions and 10 motorized divisions. They might have overrun Germany from the western side.
In air power the Germans had a slight edge in average quality, but in numbers of planes it was far inferior: Germany had 1,500 planes; Czechoslovakia had less than 1,000; France and England together had over 1,000; the Soviet Union may have had around 5,000.
These facts were known to the British government via their foreign diplomats and intelligence operators, and further reinforced by the messages sent by the plotting German generals in their attempts to avoid a military disaster.
… And What Actually Happened
On 5 October, five days after capitulating to the Munich Agreement, the President resigned, realizing that the fall of his country was inevitable. He was correct in his assessment.
The Munich Agreement was violated on every point in favor of Nazi Germany, so that ultimately the German Army merely occupied all the places it wanted. Hungarians and Polish followed suit, and took over large parts of the territory. As a result, Czechoslovakia was shred to pieces. The only democracy in the region collapsed. The Soviet alliance was ended and the Communist Party outlawed. The anti-Nazi refugees from the Sudetenland were rounded up by the Prague government and handed over to the Nazis to be destroyed.
The terms of trade were substantially skewed in favor of Nazi Germany, which absorbed all the resources it could to maintain its rapid militarization. The economy in what was left of the country promptly collapsed, and had to rely on British and French aid to remain minimally viable.
Czechoslovakia had been a major manufacturer of machine guns, tanks and artillery to supply its once impressive army of 34 divisions. Many of these factories would continue producing Czechoslovak weapon designs, adding to the Nazis’ arsenal during World War II. Entire steel and chemical factories were moved out and reassembled in Austria.
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In the aftermath of the Czechoslovakia crisis, Nazi Germany reigned supreme in Central Europe. Chamberlain must have been pleased because this was exactly what he intended.
And it would not be long before he realized that this had been a blunder of historical proportions.




We shall see what happens next in Troika vs. Greece. Will the virgin and pure Troika Banksters prevail against the evil Greek Socialist sodomites?
History does not repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
"The Czechoslovakia crisis of 1938 marked a pivotal shift in the balance of power in Central Europe, putting the major world superpowers in a collision course."
Wrong. The world's major duperpowers (typo intended) were set on a collision course in 1933 when world Jewry declared war against the new Hitler government. And this "course" was cemented when the National Socialists released themselves from the grips of the international usurers and set up their own debt-free sovereign money. Their ensuing "miracle recovery" from the Great Depression was the result - and the money powers had to quash that rogue nation before the rest of the world woke up to the truth about money - and who issues it.
Three down votes to my above post. Really?
Do I have to use the /sarc tag every time?
the sarc tag basically eliminates all humorous potential. Actually having the downvotes is funnier.
Keep in mind, not everybody is a humorless aspergers or dimwit, many just don't have English as their first language.
BobPaulson, your comment was helpful. As thanks, I gave you a downvote. I vow to find humor in all future downvotes that I receive.
By the way, my 15-year son in austistic / asperger's (the diagnosis depends on which doctor you ask). He understands sarcasm, and is sarcastic himself quite often.
Democracy does not work. All republics will eventually come undone.
FFS...I resemble that remark. /hic!!!
No, you just have to make smarter comments than that. Duh
I was looking for a reason why ZH would post this. Maybe this is the missing paragraph.
Yeah, even a slight inference to the situation this metaphorically represents would be helpful. It is fairly well accepted that acquiring Czechoslovakia was the green light Hitler needed or the tipping point of his ambitions. So, is he comparing this to Crimea? Iraq? Nigeria? Greece?
The gist of it is that a rise of nationalism, at a time when most governments are paralyzed politically by unhappy citizenries, will encourage regional and global use of military force to exploit vulnerabilities of some nations relative to others.
In other words, uncontained nationalism can easily degenerate into an era of local, regional, and eventually global military confrontations. Such is the lesson of Europe's previous century.
The point here is that seemingly small mistakes can have horrible unintended consequences when the international situation is so unstable as it's becoming again today.
So don't be so naive this time around!
Eah well...he's still poopie pants to me and the ruble is DEFINITELY poopie paper.
1938 matters because these are PRUSSIANS not "Germans."
Yes...Hitler this and 3rd Reich that...but all these actions are/were comkng from BERLIN.
That is why 1938 matters "historically speaking."
That map of Poland was "incorrect" as far as the Prussians were concerned.
Still is actually...
From Prussia with Love.
Perhaps this is where the Prussian School system failed Bizmark and the Social Democrats?
In some ways, Germany's Economy under Hitler was similar to the regimes the PTB later overthrew for daring to use their own power-- Libya, Iraq, etc.
A telling of history told from the victors view, often slanted and self serving.
For a relevant background and balance, here is a version from a German historians perspective. A free ebook....worth the time for anyone that wants to better understand the real motivations that led to WWII.
http://www.lulu.com/us/en/shop/gerd-schultze-rhonhof/the-anschluss-of-th...
Title aside, the easiest narrative to spot would be:
If a country in europe tries to pivot to russia, western powers will rape and then occupy it under pretense of some invention.
J S Bach - I have your back my brother. Nothing like some weekend hasbara trolling to get fight club rocking.
Wrong. The world's major duperpowers (typo intended) were set on a collision course in 1933 when world Jewry declared war against the new Hitler government.
If you read Mein Campf, it's pretty obvious why world Jewry declared war on the Nazis - Hitler was a virulent anti-Semite. I don't mean a zionist-bashing critic of central banking; I mean a full-on, foaming at the mouth, bug-eyed Jew-hater.
Their ensuing "miracle recovery" from the Great Depression was the result - and the money powers had to quash that rogue nation before the rest of the world woke up to the truth about money - and who issues it.
Much as I hate fiat currency, and the bankers who benefit from it (at everyone else's expense), Germany's fascist economy was heading for disaster... not too surprising given that it was a central-planners paradise.
http://reason.com/archives/1999/08/01/nazi-economics
Neville Chamberlain in 1938 and Bush and Obama now are just muppets, following the orders of the New World Order masters. Then and now, the goal is a world war. Al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, is almost certainly a Mossad agent. When Syrian jets bombed ISIS supply lines in the Golan Heights, Israel shot down a Syrian jet to protect the supply lines. Which the Israelis were running. When Libyan ambassador/arms smuggler/drug dealer Chris Stevens died in a shootout at his Benghazi consulate, no one asked why the USA had him stationed there, a real hazardous place, instead of Rome. Proxy wars that Bush and Obama have started to appease their satanic Luminati overlords are economically destroying the world economy. It is only a matter of time before we will see Nazi-type "Night of the Long Knives" incidents where there are mass killings and jailings of Americans who won't kowtow anymore to the piecemeal implementation of martial law in the USA, where "shelter in place" lockdowns become the norm everywhere. After all, we already have had a "Reichstag Fire" incident, the government demolition of the World Trade Center.
You left off the /sarc tag.
You're lost. Fox News is over there ->
This is precisely why I don't accept Checks.
Which bear ate the Czech, the male bear or the female bear?
The male.
Why?
The check is always in the mail.
It can't possibly happen now as we all have smart phones. I mean, that means we're smarter now, right? Progressivism has progressed us, right? We're just too damned advanced to be that retarded. It's impossible.
Of course, its possible that just because we dress a dog up with bedazzled collars and cute outfits, does not mean they will not instantly revert to their natural state the moment they are threatened.
Do we feel threatened yet?
Should I feel threatened, I will text you. Or do you prefer a FB message?
Woof.
Shouldn't that be..."meow"?
OT. THIS WHAT WILL HAPPEN ONE DAY IN PAPER GOLD MARKET. NO GOLD FOR DELIVERY. ONLY WORTHLESS FIAT DOLLARS GIVEN BACK. http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12255886&src=desktop
I take issue with this statement:
"Accordingly, a war scare with Nazi Germany was built up by grossly exaggerating its military capabilities, reaching full panic mode by 28 September."
You might recall that soon after this happened that Nazi Germany single-handedly took on all of the western powers and Russia, quickly crushing France and many other countries. So it appears that their power was not exaggerated.
The Nazi's won the 2nd world war ,Germany lost and all the Nazi's moved to America , although most of the main Nazi's were hear already , eg the Bush family for finance, henry Ford for the truck's and cars Rockerfella for heavy tank's and E H Herriman for the railroads . So it is safe to say that Amrica is run by Nazi's and yes in the upcoming war they will loose again and the America people will pay dearly.
Sure, after they fortified themselves with the CZ industrial/weapons plants. Then they were ready.
And after Germany seized the Czech gold reserves.
Sure, after they fortified themselves with the CZ industrial/weapons plants. Then they were ready.
I take issue with this statement:
"Accordingly, a war scare with Nazi Germany was built up by grossly exaggerating its military capabilities, reaching full panic mode by 28 September."
You might recall that soon after this happened that Nazi Germany single-handedly took on all of the western powers and Russia, quickly crushing France and many other countries. So it appears that their power was not exaggerated.
Better look actual arms Soviet was multiples of German, especially armor
Stalin made starvation and depradation on rural Rus, to build the war machine to take Europe
German strength was tactical genius and German soldier
later Soviets (certain Rus Officers that avoided purges) learned and adapted much of this
Soviets had mighty defensive force to be sure, but to overtake Europe is a stretch. In fact Stalin was all too happy to give up Poland in order to avoid invasion by Germany in pact Hitler broke. German tactical genius failed them in Stalingrad mostly as a result of mass rocket and artillary reigning down on heavy German tanks. A cold winter also helped. I do recall reading a book by a lone disgruntled Russian general defecting to West claiming Stalin was keen on invading Europe but was never corroberated by any evidence or witnesses. Do admit Stalin after WWII did control Eastern Europe as a result of victory over WWII. Even today we hear Putin wants to overtake lost satallites in Eastern Europe which does not seem plausable. The real threat is for Russia is to lose Eastern Ukraine to Nato influence although Putin acted quickly to retain Crimea as a strategic port. In any case, current developments do resemble pre WWII days with nations and superpowers jockying for influence and expansion.
There was no Russian plan for the defense of Russia.
There was a plan for a Russian attack and indeed the bulk of Soviet Red Army forces were right on the border with Nazi Germany.
Hitler's pre-emptive strike had luck and geography going for it.
Stalin's own planned pre-emptive strike was beaten by as little as two weeks. He had, as you say, an order of magnitude more materiel going into his attack.
But the Soviets had a longer way to go to deploy for the offensive that would have swept across the already "softened up" Western European theatre, replete with potential puppet governments to finish the job.
And precisely because they were deployed for a surprise attack rather than defence, Stalin's forces were quickly overrun. (Icebreaker - Viktor Suvorov)
Also corroborated by the evidence.
Still...there was a peace plan between Germany and Russia.
That's why this article is a bunch of bs.
In 1938 there was no such thing as "Poland."
Once Czech and Slovakia split you can see the problem for Poland.
"She was surrounded on three sides by Germany.". Stalin also invaded Poland...yet no one declared war on Russia!
exactly gentlemen...google bt-2 tanks and you will see the russian thinking about the excellant roads in western europe.convertible tanks that would lose their tank treads and than go screaming down the roads of germany and france. also a politbureau meeting sometime in 1938 laid out the soviet plan for the conquest of europe. after the germans, british and french had exhuasted themselves the russian would roll across europe with these special tanks doing 60 mph. i remember reading a book in the 60's by a german tank commander who was always puzzled by the broken down soviet tanks sitting not far off the shitty russian roads. their tactic was to check the tank out with caution and than would end up putting a round into the broken down russian tank to make sure the russians didn't repair the "broken down" tank! there were so many of these pieces of shit tanks that his columm of tanks would have to take turns putting rounds into them, least any one tanks get caught short of ammo. i now believe that the tanks that the germans were knocking out were these crap -bt- series of soviet tanks. tanks not built to withstand their own russian countryside.
Funny since until 1933 German tank commanders trained in the USSR and held joint exercises with the Red Army and German arms factories were built in the USSR to circumvent Versailles. The Germans knew what was being built
Appeasement is both stupidity and laziness. This has been US policy with Iran and Islamic Terrorism, and on exhibit for the last 6 years under Obama, Clinton (Hiliary) and Kerry. As the singer once said, 'there's a debt you'll have to pay.' History does repeat itself -- every single day.
Iran has not started any war in 200 years.
but has had much dirty done to them....
these a Persians, not Arabs
and has historical Jewish population lives in peace
Nonsense. You've been suckered by the propaganda into ignoring how the situation came to be like it is. What you call "Iran and Ismslamic Terrorism used to be a peaceful, democratic society until the CIA inflitrated their undergound, inciting riots and overthrowing the government to install a western-learning but cruel, ruthless dictator. apeasement? The USA owes them a huge apology, accompanied with a large financial settlement.
Can you write them a check? I'm a little short this week, but I'll gladly pay you Tuesday.
thegreygrater,
context, context
"appeasement" (like terrorism", etc.) must be understood in context.
- should Hitler be congratulated for having not "appeased" Czechoslavakia?
- was GWB correct to refuse any "appeasement" of Iraq, and instead invade Iraq?
- from the point of view of Iraq, did Iraq err trying to "appease" GWB too much?
- would recognizing Crimea's secession and annexation be a mistaken "appeasement" to Russia?
- or would denying Crimea's secession be a mistaken "appeasement" to the US ?
some context in Depression-era 1938
Hitler was not seen by most as an "enemy" of the West. Many wealthy businessmen in the US and UK were favorably disposed to the NAZIs. They were viewed as reliable anti-Bolsheviks. Dictator? Yes but "our" dictator, like many in Latin America and the UK colonies. Racists? So too was the UK toward its colonies, and was the US with its apartheid laws and discrimination.
Chamberlain attempted to get the two major aims of UK policy.
(1) contain, stop the spread of Bolshevism
(2) prevent one power from dominating Europe (like powerful preWW1 Germany, or Napoleonic France)
The Munich deal successfully bribed/rewarded Hitler to perform goal #1.
To some extent, Hitler thought he had a "green light" to destroy "Bolshevisk Russia". When Germany continued expanding in preparation to destroy "Bolshevisk Russia", , Hitler conflicted with and threatened goal #2.
Thus, Chamberlain felt "betrayed" because Hitler did not accept the assigned subordinate role.
And Hitler never understood UK goal #2, so he never could understand the UK unwillingness to join his crusade against Bolshevism.
But, but, but.....how do our policies (whatever they are now that GW Bush has shifted Iraq from and enemy of Iran to an ally) help the guy running a hardware store in Iowa?
If America supported trade with all - by getting out of the way of individuals and their businesses (without the TPP, etc or all the other phony "free trade agreements") instead of military presense everywhere (except at our borders) this country would be able to avoid the negative consequences of it's past "policies" such as and whatever they are (anybody know the answer to that?).
But, but, but.....how do our policies (whatever they are now that GW Bush has shifted Iraq from and enemy of Iran to an ally) help the guy running a hardware store in Iowa?
If America supported trade with all - by getting out of the way of individuals and their businesses (without the TPP, etc or all the other phony "free trade agreements") instead of military presense everywhere (except at our borders) this country would be able to avoid the negative consequences of it's past "policies" such as and whatever they are (anybody know the answer to that?).
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's Sudetenland.
It's biblical.
Nice reminder that the Czech are still occupying German soil in Bohemia. Payback for the the Czech genocide commited at 3 million Germans will be a bitch one day.
it is terrible that most brainwashed do not know the real history.
Wolferl has some truth..Germans were persecuted and murdered.
Anyone can find this is fact.
I have some of this blood and Swabian. I had conversations with some witnesses and a survivor of the massacres.
Dr Porsche was born Maffersdorf N Bohemia.
Most good and productive people.
Some truth? 3 millions Germans killed by Czechs? Genocide? Germans and Czechs lived without issues for hundreds years side by side and then came genocide from Czechs? What a fuck is this? The germans had fucked up all Europe from the beginning of the 20. century to the end of the WW2, killed millions of civilians everywhere and you are talking about the real history?
I just think that Wolferl is just a old nazi troll who would like to see the 3. Reich again at the top killing not-so-good-non-germans. Fuck you Wolferl!
nyet, Germany was targeted by wealth forces.
you are terrible shallow in your history.
Every action is a reaction to something real or perceived. EVERYONE feels JUSTIFIED.
I love the inflation here ... at the time it happened, it was a couple of dozen, but after 70 years that number has grown to 3 million?????
At that time 3 million Bohemians lived in their homeland Bohemia. After WWII those 3 million Bohemians were expelled from their native soil by the Czechs in the most brutal way and almost all their goods were stolen. About 100.000 were killed and many more wer injured. Get some education.
Wolferl, it is your education that is lacking. It's like comparing a speeding ticket to killing someone......both are against the law.
As I replied to your other post, the Nazi committed crimes (including the Holocaust, concentration camp conditions such as gassing, etc), has no equal.
I do not compare anything. I talking about the genocide committed against millions of Bohemians Germans by the Czechs. There is no justification for a genocide what so ever. If you think a genocide is like a speeding ticket your moral grounds are not only questionable, but YOU HAVE NONE.
Wolferl, how do you define genocide? There may have been a few germans killed just after the war by mobs angry against germans - which i agree with you in the sense that it was wrong. As far as stripping them from their czech passport (which i completely agree with) and expropriating their property (which i somewhat agree with) is NOT genocide. Genecide is what the Nazis did with their concentration camps (to give one of many examples). And using your own agrument (regarding- no justification for genocide) what do you suggest should happen to Germany. THE PERSON WHO HAS NO MORALS IS YOU!!!!
I don´t define "genocide". Just read the definition in the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, the definition is in Article 2. The Czech genocide committed against the Bohemians is a textbook example of a genocide since almost all possible ways are fullfilled. The Czech wanted to exterminate Bohemians German culture, not because of WWII, but since the mid 19. century out of pure nationalistic and racial reasons. The defeat of the German army in WWII was just the opportunity they had waited for since a century. The genocide was organized by the Czech government under Edward Benes, this is not some "mob" that went wild. About 3 million people were expelled from their native soil and up to 100.000 were killed and many more injured. In many cases there was a German population of much more than 90% since centuries living in those areas, the Czech just wanted to steal foreign soil. The property of the Bohemians was taken away without any compensation, this is nothing but theft and looting. Like i said a textbook example of a genocide actually. And not to forget, the criminal Czechs are denying those capital crimes till this very day, hoping they are getting away with it. But believe me we Germans will not allow it.
(removing a duplicate post)
This is what the UN says about genocide:
"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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The Czechoslovak government did none of these things. They wanted the Germans to leave because they were viewed as traitors. There is several presidence for that. Any killings were unfortunate, but not officially sanctioned.
And don't forget, Czechoslovakia was created ALONG WITH IT'S BORDERS, by the victors of WW1 (that's usually what happens - the victor decides on the terms). Therefore, don't blame Czechoslovakia for what happened in the 19th century - the country didn't even exist at that time. And if you don't like the borders, you should complain to the allies who defeated the Germans in WW1 (and who created the borders).
UNO did not exist until 1945 so don't apply it to 1938
"precedence" btw
1. Sorry for the typo.
2. I was referring to the UNO because Wolferl was using their definition of genocide and I wanted to explain to him, that whatever definition you use, genocide by the Czechoslovak government did not take place.
They wanted the Germans to leave because they were viewed as traitors.
No, they were the backbone of the economy and Czechs wanted them out much like Poland and Germany wanted the Jews out.
Sandmann.......that would be counterproductive. .......to destroy the backbone of your economy.....wouldn't it? Therefore, I have doubts about your comment.
no nation has ever destroyed the backbone of their economy.....ever in history....oh no
Besides (d) and (e) the Czechs did everthing to 3 million Bohemians. A perfect genocide. The Czechs wanted to wip out German Bohemian culture and that´s what genocide is all about. Denying this is just ridiculous and makes the crimes of the Czechs even worse.
All the trouble in Bohemia started with the rise of Czech nationalism in the 19. century. The Czechs only are to blame for what happened. There are hundreds of pamphlets of Czech nationalists that call for a genocide against the Bohemians even as early as the mid-19. century. And a genocide "light" started even after WWI already when Czech forced people to adopt Czech names if they wanted to keep their jobs in administrations, forced people to speak Czech even in towns where more than 90% of the people were speaking German, hindered Bohemians to do business in German and many things more.
The Czech Republic is based on one of the most disguting crime against humanity comitted after WWII. The Czech know it but usually deny it too. And that´s why one day this state will fall apart.
You are so blind and stupid (with your comment regarding the czechs committing the most disgusting crime after WW2) that it makes no sense to discuss this matter with you. Fortunately, very very few people share your belief.
As i said before, i have a lot of respect for present day Germans, however, I have no respect for you. My only advise to you is this - stop trying to rewrite history.
Given the atrocities of Nazi Germany, and given the warm welcome that the Sudetenland Germans gave the invading force of Hitler when he marched into Czechoslovakia, the Sudetenland Germans got of lightly.
Like i said, Czech are still in absolute denial about their huge crimes against humanity. That´s why we Germans will talk about it over and over again till the Czechs admit them and give back what they have stolen.
Wolferl, you are completely wrong. Bohemia belongs to the Czechs.
As for your other comment, I will say the following.........I have nothing against present day Germans. In fact, I think of them very highly.
I also think that any genocide is atrocious. But the acts committed by Hilter's German cannot be compared to any other act in terms of proportion and degree of brutality. Therefore, your comment is ludicrous.
Czechs are no Bohemians, Bohemia is German soil. And one day those Czech criminals will pay for what they have done to us.
Wolferl, you are a lunatic. Using your argument where you hold nations accountable for what they did many, many years ago - and you hold them accountable forever (even if the perpetrators are long dead), Germany should be paying retribution to the Czechs.
The Czechs still hold the stolen soil, they do not even admit their huge crimes. There is not statue of limitation for capital crimes like genocide. So they have to pay the price for what they did one day.
give me a fn break with your hitler genocide is worse than all other genocide crap. hitler was a run of the mill imperialist the west seems to produce with regularity. genocide is a regular feature of history. the jews are the biggest hypocrites of all of them. having staked most of their reputation on a campaign depicting jews as the most hated people on earth, incessantly being victims of other peoples' unwarranted hate and the constant reminder of 6 million(not nearly that many) dead jews as the focus of that hate, yet, in palestine the jewish state keeps its own concentration camp full of palestinians.
no human or group of humans has the monopoly on misery. claiming such nonsense is, well, nonsense.
Much the same is happening today. Too many, otherwise civilized nations, are kowtowing to US demands, whether it be banking, participation in foreign invasions, allowing US bases on their soil etc etc.
Stupid nations have never been able to understand why invading Iraq and Libya was just about defending the dollar rather than freedom or any other democratic principal.
Peace for our time.
Very good in depth article. A lot more than I new about this episode. They don't teach history at all any more, but luckily the information's there if you look for it.
While the gutlessness of the west ( Britian and France) seems appalling, you must remember they just lost a generation on young men to the Great war. For context, see the very good documentary WWI Apocolypse on one of the History Channels
History Channel is terrible.
owned
Ice Road Truckers is pretty good.
Its about truckers,....who drive on ice.
European history has always been founded on tribalism, distrust and envy.
This history, presented above, falls far short of providing the foundations of WWII. It started with the Treaty of Versailles with France ignoring the ultimate consequences of punishing Germany.
Russia had a compicated relationship with Germany. Russia was constantly supplying Germany with resources all the way up until Hitler invaded Russia. And Russia happily joined in with the Nazis and invaded Poland at the eastern border as Hitler invaded from the west and the north out of Danzig.
Today, true to form we now have U.S. "agent provocateurs" screwing around in the Ukraine on the Russian border, fresh after the overwhelming successes in the Middle East. In long-term political strategy our fearless leaders aren't even intelligent enough to pass a basic plumbers' test- shit rolls downhill and payday's on Friday.
"Hungary took 4875 sq. mi. and 800 000 people"
That was 800 000 hungarian people forced behind a border in 1920 Trianon.
Spot on. And after WWII the Czech under Benes commited a genocide to those Hungarians too.
Right.
Those regions mostly hungarian till this very day. Last summer i saw some "Alma eladó" (apple for sale in hungarian) signs on fances while i bicycle toured there. I'm pretty sure they would wrote that in slovakian if that would sell more apples even if they hungarian themselves. But it isn't the case.
What if those who are not Hungarian don't want to be part of Greater Hungary?
Nobody has a right to form a government, so why should one group choose for all?
The Hungarians are still there, I'm one of them. Although many Hungarian families were expelled (some of my relatives to). Same goes to the German families which have had citizenship of the 4th Reich. And yes, some Germans were lynched by Czech mob.
You are wrong. This was a planned genocide by the Czech government under Benes comitted against 3 million Germans. And the plans for that genocide existed well before WWII, even before WWI. More than 100.000 Germans were killed in that genocide. This was not done just by a "Czech mob", this is a planned genocide by the Czechs and the Allies of WWII.
Wolferl, it looks like you are making things up. Many Germans and Hungarians had their property expropriated and they lost their citizenship. When i think of genocide, the Holocaust comes to mind. And this was committed by Hilter's Germany.
So, we Germans committed a genocide called Holocaust. Now tell me what has this to do with a genocide committed against 3 million Bohemian Germans by the Czechs? There is no justification for a genocide at all. And the Czechs will always be the criminals they are because they do not even admit their crimes. Like i said payback will come one day. In fact that payback is right under way.
Your mind is fucked, man. Stop making things up.
There was and still is no such thing as a Czechoslovak. That's the heart of the problem. Not mentioning how this country came to be is another. It's a lesson in selective history.
Czechoslovakia was formed when two nationalist movements (Czech and Austro-slavic) came together, broke away from the Austrian Empire in WWI and fought with the Entente late in the war. They just claimed the lands in the power vacuum. Germans AND Hungarians were not pleased. And from the start of Czechoslovakia they were excluded from political life.
Not mentioning the Treaty of Versailles is kind of a mistake too.
Another very significant event was the Ukrainian starvation by the Soviet Union in 1933-1934.
But in the end, it's important to realize how countries and unions and treaties come to be. The lesson is really for the current EU. The Maasrtrict Treaty has been violated so many times. Has all of southern Europe violated the GDP/debt percentages? And really dig into why the Germans even accepted the Euro to begin with. And you'll see the roots of the next crisis.
Did you know?
When Churchill (on behalf of his masters) was preparing to drop bombs on Germany, Hitler's planes dropped LEAFLETS on London, entitled "A Last Appeal to Reason":
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id763.html
history channel forgot to tell that...
They also paid for ads in British papers warning passengers that the Luscitania was carrying munitions, and would be a the target of u-boat attacks. Of course the editors blocked the ads. Can't mess up the narrative of an evil Germany.
Can we drop some "appeals to reason" leaflets over ISIS territory?
Almost seems as if the old empire cultivates an enemy. They isolate and boycot the enemy, so they all get driven together in a coherent group that feels attacked and in which mutual differences disappear. With a credible enemy the road is open to make the own population give sacrifices.
Here Hitler have Czechoslovakia we will help you become strong enough. Here Isis, some weapons and cash. Hey Russia, look at us messing on your borders.
Complete BS. Chechoslovakian president came to Berlin and begged Hitler to invade. Sounds crazy? Yep, it does. Why? Chechoslovakia was very vulnerable after the Munich agrement. Armies from Poland and Hungary marched and wanted a part of the country.
His name was Emil Hacha. He died in mysterious circumstances in prison shortly after the war.
The author's regurgitation of the victor's narratives of the period of history is completely one-sided bullshit. I suggest him look up from German and Austrian sources as well.
"Superpower Blunders: Ukraine in 2014"
At the onset of the War, many Britons supported allowing Hitler to rule the continent.
Hitler also promised, other than the few German colonies, everything else was to remain as is.
Now, were the Zionists pushing Churchill to war? His mother was Jewish. Judaism is passed by the Mother.
But, Hitler was also a world-class liar. Numerous post-war documents I have read well demonstrate Hitler's BS.
Thus, we have a conundrum.
The Czech Republic today!....
My how things can change for the better!
I wonder if the documents used to write this article came from this place?...
And JUST as Russia was going to release their documents about Auschwitz!!!!!!! -Mike Rivero WhatReallyHappened.com
But the Israelis and U.S. would never do a thing like that?!!!All I know is Czech and Slovak girls are now good looking.
The older you get, the better they look.
Russian FSB agents impersonating Ukrainian Nazis
"Still no Nazis in the Ukraine"
Odd that... on every media outlet in North America it is only Russians and Russian separatists that are killing people. The West has morphed into Ghandi.
You either forgot to add the /sarc tag or you've been taken in. It's cost you 4 reds. The picture posted by Saker was obviously intended to ridicule the official propaganda coming out of Ukraine. You'd have thought they would at least have photographed people who resembled FSB agents, not a bunch of teenage boys holding up a picture of Hitler. Poroshenko must think we're all suckers.
Nice map.
I never realized that Czechoslovkia was the sperm that fertiilized Germany and created WWII.
All of us looked like that a long ime ago.
http://www.lulu.com/shop/gerd-schultze-rhonhof/the-anschluss-of-the-sude...
http://www.lulu.com/shop/gerd-schultze-rhonhof/the-anschluss-of-the-sude...
Every day recently pundits in the media compare Putin’s “invasion of Ukraine” to Hitler’s “invasion of Czechoslovakia.” They do so obviously on the assumption that people today well know what took place in Czechoslovakia seventy-six years ago. It is only thus that the comparison might help them to understand what is taking place in Ukraine today. But is this assumption correct? I doubt that it is and have therefore undertaken to make available free online an abbreviated version of Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof’s detailed account of the events leading up to Germany’s Anschluss of the Sudeten Regions in 1938. This account is found in pages 165-249 of his book: 1939 – The War That Had Many Fathers: the Long Run-Up to the Second World War, available online at Lulu. In this abbreviated version of that account nearly all the footnotes have been omitted. For documentation of the facts cited herein, see the full version of the book.
When Hitler invaded France his Panzers had about 1 Chech made main battle tank for every three German made ones. He added about a third to his panzer firepower by grabbing those tanks and factories.
double post
One important fact - during 1920 when Poland were fighting with Bolshevicks' Russia Czechoslovakia made the knife in the back of polish army. Poland cannot protect the area of Cieszyn and it was occupied then by Czechs. It was very aggressive act.
Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians and many more were jockeying for territorial gains during the thrties. Germany was just one (although easily the biggest) of many trying to get 'their' territory back. As one leading British diplomat later observed 'every time we made progress towards a peaceful solution it seemed as if some powerful hidden force kept prodding us back towards war with Germany'.
War was inevitable and Germany's fate sealed once they demonstrated that they could thrive economically without the international bankers.
*Breaking News* Italy has just surrended
Bit trite. Czechoslovakia had defence treaties with France and USSR and none with Britain. USSR could not mobilise until France did. Stalin pointed out it was France that reneged on its 1925 treaty with Czechoslovakia.
Britain was dragged in by France and it was clear German majority in Sudetenland was being ethnically-cleaned by Czechs who were moving Czechs in and blocking German schools and churches just as the Poles were doing.
Woodrow Wilson created this situation with Point 10 of his Fourteen Points and the US ran away after stirring the pot in 1919. Skoda was the largest armaments works in Europe supplying France and USSR with aircraft and tanks.
How could Woodrow Wilson preach autonomy and self-determination and deny the Sudeten Germans their rights ? Was that a principle for Britain to fight a war over ? There were NO treaties defining Germany's Eastern frontiers.