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White House Considers Sending Antitank Missiles, Small Arms And Ammo To Ukraine "To Deter Russia"
While the US government has yet to opine on the recently leaked information during Joe Biden's November trip to Ukraine that, contrary to conventional wisdom, the US is already providing lethal aid to Kiev, and certainly has said absolutely nothing about the presence of US soldiers - either taxpayer funded or mercenary - on Ukraine soil, the topic of legitimizing lethal weapons is once again on the front of the White House agenda.
According to the WSJ, "The U.S. government is considering providing Javelin antitank missiles, small arms and ammunition to Ukraine, part of an effort to try to deter further aggression by Russia-backed rebels there, according to U.S. officials."
Why now? The official story is that "The Pentagon has long supported providing some lethal aid, but until recently the White House has signaled little interest in such a move to avoid escalating the confrontation with Russian President Vladimir Putin.... An administration official said Susan Rice , the White House national-security adviser, has reopened the discussion, though officials cautioned that no decision has been made."
The one thing holding back the US is the question whether, in the words of the WSJ, "a decision to provide “defensive lethal arms” would prompt Mr. Putin to reduce his support for the pro-Moscow rebels or trigger him to ramp it up, further destabilizing the country."
The unofficial story is that having been caught red-handed in Ukraine, whose proxy civil war between the US and Russia is clear to anyone with half a brain by now, the US is tired of hiding its direct, and quite lethal, involvement and it prepared to risk the diplomatic fallout from officially supporting with weapons yet another foreign nations. Because the US support of Iraq's army wasn't enough of a lesson, if only for US taxpayers: recall that to General Dynamics, the ISIS tragicomedy has played out precisely as expected, and has been quite lucrative to boot.
And so Ukraine is about to make the shareholders of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, the manufacturers of the Javelin missile, that little richer as a result of spreading democracy and the American way around the globe. Perhaps boost US GDP in the process as well. After all the ghost of Keynes is alive, and breaking windows, or as the case may be, firing anti-tank missiles deep in the night.
What is odd, is America's desire to get involved into yet another war on a different continent, especially when the purveyors of western ideals on said continent themselves are quite unwilling to get involved:
In Budapest on Monday, Ms. Merkel said Germany won’t supply arms to Ukraine because it was still banking on a peaceful solution, despite the recent escalation of hostilities.
That, and she knows quite well that the German borderline recession will be full-blown once Russia again retaliated to western Europe's own escalation, a key driver behind Europe's collapse into a triple-dip recession last year.
And finally, as to Obama's intention to engage Putin, even if unilaterally, perhaps the following interview by the president with CNN's Fareed Zakaria from this weekend will provide some clues. In it, rather distinctly, the US president admits that "Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine — not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and [Ukraine's then-President Viktor] Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine."
Of course, in a normal and democratic nation, some would even inquire why the US was brokering "power transition" deals in Ukraine - allegedly a sovereign country - and whether as some have suggested, the US was behind the bloody events of the Euromaidan from precisely one year ago.
Then again, this is neither, and is instead a nation where the crowning achievement of the current administration was passed thanks to the "lack of transparency" and courtesy of the "stupidity of the American voter"...
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Washington is completly crazy
now that shale is in the toilet war and aggression are all we have left.
They have lost their minds.. What will happen if Russia arms the Mexican cartels?? Boy will the Bamster be pissed...
Eric Holder did what, ohh, well never mind..
This is not a good idea, handing arms to Mujaheddin is one thing to Ukrainians quite another, Hand Nuland an M4 have her go fight..
Maybe it's time the Palestinians got a delivery of Kornets.
Soros and the Neocons finance a coup and use US and Israeli intelligence assets creating chaos and installing a puppet government in Ukraine. Then the US sends in weapons to this Russian borderstate.
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/bill-clintons-epic-double-cross-how-not-an-inch-brought-nato-to-russias-border/
Imagine if the tables were turned and Russia played this game in Mexico as Calmyourself notes above.
Whose says they won't? WIth a 50% + decline in the ruble, making them even cheaper relative to american weapons, and proven battle worthiness, russian weapon systems will be even more popular.
Who knew?...
Booosh 41 had another son!
I've come to the conclusion that the reason Obama doesn't want to get more involved in the middle east is that he wants to concentrate his efforts on starting a war with Russia.
Not that he wouldn't love to start another shooting war there, it's just that's its a distration from where his masters want to concentrate their efforts. Gotta get those evil Ruskies despite the fact our fucking around in Ukraine would be equivalent to Russia starting shit in Canada.
Pressure is building against .gov by nations wanting to exit trade in USD. War with Putin has to be done, or .gov folds up the tent and ends USD reserve status. Immediately, standard of living for the foodstamp nation nose dives.
This is the FED and other crony fascists wanting to "deter" Russia - in other words, "accept our currency along with our conditions or face being bombed".
The script is old, boring, and predictable.
The outcome, though, is going to be interesting. Russia is not Libya.
Oh oh oh!!!! Do we get to do the whole sealed railcar containing highly contagous, disease ridden, sinister agit-prop bit, again?
Maybe everybody can play this time?
This is a very unwise (in retrospect) engagement that the US MUST win. There is no "amicable gentlemens' agreement" exit route, especially in view of the number of Russian-speaking Ukrainians who have already died in this "little adventure", much to the disgust of Russia. Even a stalemate would mean the end of the preception of the US as an invincible force, and once that image is lost, that's it as far as the days of the USA being able to throw its weight around with no regard for the consequences to others.
The only problem is that it won't just be a conflict with Russia, but a conflict with Russia AND China, China knowing full well that should Russia fall,they are next, and at this stage they lack sufficient military might to effectively deter a US onslaught single-handed (although they might find an attack by "what's left of the US Armed Forces" after a Russian engagement a much less challenging exercise!)
Mind you, the Russians have made it crystal clear that they WILL use nuclear weapons should the need arise to defend their homeland, and should things escalate to this extent, a very nuclear WW3 would seem an almost inevitable consequence.
We sure DO live in "very interesting times" . . . .
I think it's baked into the cake. Carl Sagan would weep if he were alive.
The perception that the US is militarily invincible evaporated a long time ago, some would argue since 'Nam. Whilst the latter is debatable, the perception around the world, at this time, is that the US is long past it's prime, not just militarily, but economically too. As has already been noted, the current proxy war is just a distraction, largely for domestic consumption. I mean, does anyone on here believe that Obama could explain the coming demise of SWIFT and the implications of that for the US, to the American people? Nope, I thought not. The geopolitical equations: China and Russia (and India) in bed together, the US locked out of Eurasia, the failure to secure a bridgehead in the Black Sea port of Sevastopol, the failure of the oil play and the double whammy of how that's hurting America. You don't need to be a genius to hack this, it's the equivalent of painting by numbers. Then there's Europe..........and the keen sense of disappointment experienced in Washington as plans unravel there........You can be pretty sure we're not in Kansas anymore.
I hear the Russians have WMD, we need to go in and take care of biz like in Iraq lol.
The Russian have tons and tons (literally) of weaponized bio stocks. They have delivery systems, via specialized ICBM's and have developed strains that are nearly unkillable. The technology can wipe out whole cities easily. Weaponized Smallpox is nothing you want raining around your town.
Russia or to annex Alaska for a laugh.
Or Iranians receiving s300 missiles, a russian greeting for the next time Israel decides to bomb Iran or Syria.
And an imbecile in charge will retaliate by sending nukes to his spiritual brothers in KSA.
Russia needs to GIVE nuclear weapons to Iran (along with Russian manned S-300s and S-400s).
That will stop this nonsense.
it will also make Netanyahoo's head explode.
"How many days of this shit have we got left?", I just asked myself, thinking about until UknowWhoozieFutz ain't in da seat no moar...
Then reality interspersed itself between me and happiness, realizing that the rest of the options will get us to the same fucking place, anyhow.
Well, maybe at a slower rate, but I sure as fuck could use some more soothing Kabuki Theater in the Interim.
Gonna be a tough rest of the years left.
Whatever
I just caught a vignette of deep sadness in your future
Magic 8 Ball sez, "Better not tell you now"
By "to deter Russia" they mean "to get the war started so we can blame the economic collapse on Russia".
Putin is the new Bush.
Obama is the new Hitler
Hitler actually had a marble or two at one point. At the very least, he could memorize words, rather than following the bouncing ball on the prompter. At best, The 0'Bamabot has a future in Karaoke.
Shit!!! Even the quality of elected tyrants is racing to the bottom. We are so fucked.
No, Putin is not new Bush. They are the same. Bush has blown up WTC, Putin had blown up blocks of flats and blame Chechenian Terrorists. This was his way to became russian president. Obama, Bush, Putin. There is no difference.
They are just playing. Good and Bad Policeman. You in the West are believing Obama is the Bad Policeman. People in the East believe that Putin is the Bad Policeman. But the truth is they both are Bad, they are just puppets, frontmens which people are to believe.
Old but good game.
Yep. It's all about having a distraction and an "enemy" to blame.
But a big incentive for Obama is to pretend that he has "outsmarted" Putin. His ego is fully engaged in this fantasy. And he doesn't mind risking WW III to show people how clever he is.
The EU doesn't mind because they want to show all minor nations thinking of "Grexits" that Putin will invade them unless they play along with the EU/NATO/Us program.
It's really quite sad to think that all the progress since 1989 is going to be pissed away.
The Senate has in fact over ruled the President on this...not that the Pentagon budget is going down amhytime soon.
This might be the one time since WW 2 when the PTB took it to the Army one too many times....but we will see.
None of these battles will in fact be fought by the Navy, Air Force or Marine Corps thats fer sure.
"There will be Blood" tho...thats fer sure too.
I still think we could have left the Middle East with our honor intact.
That didn't happen either.
"Dortmund" it is then....
Yes but it is your Washington American Voters - you put Cheney in the White House as yet another extremist and he seeded the administrations for The Golfer to inherit
So... you've never heard of Diebold and Soros eh?
Besides, the alternatives, Gore and Munster, would have given us similar results. It is like giving you the choice between a 9mm and .40 for your execution - you will be just as dead either way.
Those guys, Gore and Kerry and their POTUS in waiting sister Clinton have diplomacy skills that need honing, to put it diplomatically.
The butterknife in chief, well, why waste the time on a knife like that.
Bad news, folks. The next annoited US President is... Jeb Bush.
TPTB have some leeway in who is allowed to be President. Hillary was supposed to win in 2008 but Soros made TPTB a better offer: and the rest of TPTB were thrilled at the prospect of installing a gay, self absorbed muslim teleprompter reader who wasn't even qualified to be US President.
Its Soros playing a practical joke on the astonishingly stupid mass of American sheep, and at the same time creating concern and dispair among those who can see what is actually going on.
Think of it as Soros showing off to the other Bilderbergers and Jewish/Zionist oligarchs. A 'hold my champaign glass and watch this" moment indeed.
Hillary is past her "use-by" date - besides, the Dems had their eight years so now its the Repubs turn. Its all part of the deal.
In any event, watch Jeb come in out of nowhere and win... (Romney was already taken out - watch how easily Rand Paul is neutralised).
They completly need a war and need one now they cant keep up the farse that America is growning and look at the markets , oil gold silver treasuries bonds are hanging on by a thread and if a war isnt started well who will they blame? Themselves never. No more superbowl no more distraction can you feel it in the air??? Orr am I just imagining things?
This Fuck is trying to start WWIII so he will be too important to turn over the government to someone not as intellegent, nor won a Nobel Peace Prize"
I always thought I would go to my grave thinking Jimmy Carter was the worst president EVER.....boy was I WRONG.
Standing ovation for the chicken legs liar in chief fudgepacker bulkshit pesce prize winner. Welcome to bizarro world...
William Jefferson Clinton, America's Last Good President.
Very good working with young people, too.
...
Bill Clinton's great achievement:-
(1) He repelled the Glass-Steagall Act, which leads to the current sorry state of Bankers raping the US of A and our ongoing great recession.
(2) He sucessfully pushed for NATO expansion despite warning that is a mistake in epic propotion. A mistake that is now leading us into WW3
(3) He ejaculated in the white house onto some ugly fat bitch dressed in blue, degrading the US presidency.
Don't forget NAFTA. Crafted by poppy bush, signed by clinton.
I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do... www.globe-report.com
Yes we scam!
Hey during the civil war you could hire a black to serve your military time.. I hear the Uks work cheep.
How many CIA, FBI, Blackwater agents are already in Ukraine? The Nobel Prize Winner has never met a war that he did not escalate.
Reckless Congress 'Declares War' on RussiaToday the US House passed what I consider to be one of the worst pieces of legislation ever. H. Res. 758 was billed as a resolution “strongly condemning the actions of the Russian Federation, under President Vladimir Putin, which has carried out a policy of aggression against neighboring countries aimed at political and economic domination.”
In fact, the bill was 16 pages of war propaganda that should have made even neocons blush, if they were capable of such a thing.
The resolution (paragraph 3) accuses Russia of an invasion of Ukraine and condemns Russia’s violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. The statement is offered without any proof of such a thing. Surely with our sophisticated satellites that can read a license plate from space we should have video and pictures of this Russian invasion. None have been offered. As to Russia’s violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, why isn’t it a violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty for the US to participate in the overthrow of that country’s elected government as it did in February? We have all heard the tapes of State Department officials plotting with the US Ambassador in Ukraine to overthrow the government. We heard US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland bragging that the US spent $5 billion on regime change in Ukraine. Why is that OK?
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/december...
Look at this bullshit story from the Canadian Globe and Mail. Says there are 9,000 Russian troops in the Ukraine fighting alongside the rebels.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/ukraine-burns-while-the-west...
" Said Mr. Friedman in a revealing stroke of realism, “Putin’s use of Russian troops wearing uniforms without insignia to invade Ukraine and to covertly buttress Ukrainian rebels bought and paid for by Moscow – all disguised by a web of lies that would have made Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels blush..."
This might be one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
Good ole Tommy Friedman. Professional water carrier for the CIA, US State Dept. and Neocon warmongers of Wash DC.
Obviously bullshit, Putin has no interests there! ;-)
Whether he does or doesn't why are we there? What is our interest in securing Ukraine, after all we already have the gold?
"Kick em when they're up; kick 'em when they're down; kick em when they're up; kick em when they're down." The Eagles. "Dirty Laundry"
Destabilize the BRIC alliance and keep the petrodollar alive
Exactly, steal the gold keep the great game alive. the petrodollar game that is..
Its way too late for that; the horse has already bolted.
1 - Putin was becoming an obstacle in the cause in Syria. This was a way to create a side issue for him to be dealing with so the focus can be off Bashar's real estate.
2 - Ukraine was also just another step in the grand plan. Good ol' Zbignew is probably smiling somewhere. This was in the making for a few decades. Kind of a curious read if you dive in the the resume of Yuschenko's wife. Seems that fella was likely molded just like everyone's favorite - Saakoshvilli in Georgia. In 2008, as we saw in one of the leaked cables, the instability caused by NATO's meddling in Ukraine and Georgia was discussed and all of the potential circumstances were weighed out. US interests in that country would be to have another NATO puppet on Russia's border...set up bases and be able to close in on the Kremlin.
I would watch for Kazakhstan and Belarus next. Although in both the current leaders have a pretty firm grip....Belarus is still stuck in the 90's in some ways...with recent inflation putting even more pressure on the economy. Nazarbaev is getting up there in age and his recent appearances show him being a bit slower in speech than in his days of glory. I would imagine he could be out in the next two years easily.
The biggest issue...and it's not like the US hasn't underestimated or miscalculated before...is that Putin is no Brezhnev or Yeltsin. We are talking about a man fluent in languages, a man who studied martial arts, a man who plays sports, who hunts while having weapons and tradecraft training. He will use history to learn from mistakes of former leaders and will capitalize on everything he has available to form an optimal strategy. He surrounded himself with former KGB operatives. Not sure how many of you understand this...but most of the trusted government sponsored companies ( banks, gas, oil, railway) are controlled by former KGB/FSB employees and they're all throughout the government.
Putin is very much interested in leaving a shining legacy and he is not one to be fucking with...considering his background, network of operatives and available arsenal.
Oopsies! The Ukie military Chief of Staff let the cat out of the bag: they haven't been fighting against the Russian military in Donetsk and Lugansk after all.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150129/1017514425.html
It dpends on what the definition of "Russian" is. After all, many of the people in East Ukraine are Russian.
Sounds like Obama it trying to do the same thing in Israel, sending his political operatives in to help defeat Netanyahu. It seems he will not be happy until the whole world is at war.
Let's have another standing ovation for the chicken legged liar in chief fudgepacker bullsh*t peace prize azzhoe,
Don't we all just wish..........Now that would be a diplomatic coup that would echo round the world............Ain't going to happen......are you on some kind of powerful medication?
I wouldn't believe the fake combat between Obama and Netanyahoo for one second. No doubt Netanyahoo has nothing but disdain for the gay, self-absorbed teleprompter reader, but the spat is just kabuki theater meaning nothing.
It gives Obama distance between his administration and the Gaza baby killers, but the arms, intelligence, and money will continue to flow to Israel and the US will continue to follow the grand Zionist plan.
A New World Order – is a transitioning the world from being under the Judeo/Christian world order to a Satanic/Luciferian world order. Moving the world from under the rule and worship of God, to Satan being worshipped as god.
The appearance and use of the word "Judeo-Christian" is AIPAC and Zionism's crowning achievement. Bernays would be proud, Goebbels would be jealous, and George Orwell not surprised at all...
".. and whether as some have suggested, the US was behind the bloody events of the Euromaidan from precisely one year ago."
If you don't believe Victoria FucktheEU Noodleman vs Geoffrey Pyatt, try Oleg Tsarov, the Ukrainian Parliamentary Deputy who in November 2013 (pre-EuroMaidan) spelled out the mechanisms by which the US would stage a civil war there, as 'TechCamp'...! (H/T the Saker: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2015/01/must-watch-ukrainian-deputy-us-... )'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9hOl8TuBUM#t=154
Transcript:
Deputy Oleg Tsarov has the word
Honourable Colleagues
Honourable Vladimir Vasiljevitch
In my role as a representative of the Ukrainian people…
…activists of the public organisation "Volya" turned to me…
…providing clear evidence…
…that within our territory…
…with support and direct participation
…of the US Embassy in Kiev…
…the "TechCamp" project is realised…
…under which preparations are being made for a civil war in Ukraine.
The "TechCamp" project prepares specialists for information warfare…
…and the discrediting of state institutions using modern media…
…potential revolutionaries…
…for organising protests…
… and the toppling of the State Order.
The project is currently overseen and under the responsibility…
…of the US ambassador to Ukraine…
…Geoffrey R. Pyatt.
After the conversation with the organisation "Volya“…
… I have learned…
…that they succeeded to access Facilities in the project "TechCamp“…
…disguising as a team of IT specialists.
To their surprise, briefings on peculiarities of modern media were held.
American instructors explained how social networks and Internet technologies…
…can be used for targeted manipulation of public opinion…
…as well as to activate protest potential…
…to provoke violent unrest on the territory of Ukraine…
…Radicalisation of the population and triggering of infighting.
American instructors show examples of successful use of social networks…
…used to organise protests
…in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya.
"TechCamp" representatives currently hold conferences throughout Ukraine.
A total of five events have been held so far.
About 300 people were trained as operatives, which are now active throughout Ukraine.
The last conference "TechCamp" took place on 14 and 15 November 2013…
…in the Heart of Kiev on the territory of the US Embassy!
You tell me which country in the world would allow…
…a NGO to operate out of the US Embassy?
This is disrespectful to the Ukrainian government, and against the Ukrainian People!
I appeal to the Constitutional Authorities of Ukraine with the following question:
Is it conceivable that representatives of the US Embassy…
…which organise the "TechCamp" Conferences…
…misuse their diplomatic mission?
–– Let him speak ––
Carry On
UN Resolution of 21 December 1965 regulates…
…inadmissibility of interference in the internal affairs of a state…
…to protect its independence and its sovereignty…
…in accordance with paragraphs one, two and five.
I ask you to consider this as an official beseech…
…to pursue an investigation of this case
Thank You!
Russia is in the right on this one.
Obozo approved the coup.
Obozo started this war.
His boss Soros. and Wet Start USS Forrestal and Daddy sold out the USS Liberty McCain are behind this with the other NeoLibs and NeoCons.
Yats runs Soros Open something Foundation in the Ukraine.
Go over here and refute this BS.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3253382/posts
Holy crap! Check out the picture of thumb's up Barry. Look at the hands clapping in the foreground. WTF?
What good are anti-tank missiles when it is Ukraine that is losing the tanks ?
Many of the Ukie conscripts do not want to fight, If they resist the draft - they get 5 years in prison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in-GUuFTyJA
This is pretty sad. Zakarchenko talking to a captured conscript and his mother. Telling her not to let her son come back and fight. These people are so poor. It is pathetic. Anyone with money can get out of fighting. It is a poor man's war like Vietnam.
"...Anyone with money can get out of fighting..."
I believe that constitutes a war crime according to the ICC. Too bad Porky and his cronies are history in a couple of weeks. I would have enjoyed seeing him lie his ass off in the Hauge.
The Javelins would be a very bad news for NR, as its todays best hand-held AT missile.
Of course its a double-edged sword, as it would permit the russian side to study it under mechanised warfare conditions and search for parades.
Also, comrade president Zakharchenko would almost certainly open a subscription among the workers and peasants of DNR and buy a regiment or three of fighter-bombers to go with his new airport...
The Russian missiles are just as good against the forces arrayed. Merkava's took a beating in S. Lebanon against Russian Kornets.
The Kornet leaves the operator less exposed. A guy can lie on his stomach in the bushes. The Javelin is bigger and easier to spot.
The US can send whatever they want because more of those Ukrainian kids are being used, they are poor, they are lied to and treated like cannon fodder. They are not stupid. The whole thing like pretty much every war is sickening. Wars benefit banksters and muntions/weapons companies. Mass murder for profit.
The separatists will capture most of those US arms and turn the tide with them.
Kornets are about as good and a *lot* cheaper.
A couple of well informed actreeses, actors, & pop stars on the GRAMMY's & OSCARS podiums during the next month should help to get the point across to the intellectually challenged citizens of this great nation...
Another Propaganda MKUltra MonarchMC mental Xanax and Thorazine deluxe.
The Devil himself will be the MC and entertainment.
"And now introducing the new sensation, Beelzebub and the Soul Destroyers"
Angelina Jolie will step up to collect her award and opine: "....and now it is time to see how many current young men, and women, can remain unbroken through unspeakable horrors. For Dear Leader Barry has declared war upon East-Asia. We have always been at war with East-Asia."
Look up her Dad, and you'll see why she's in the CFR.
A neo-fascista .... and who'd a thunk that being a Hollywierd gal and all.
The Propaganda Mechanism is Very Well Greased and Happy
Part of the reason he needs to gang rape the American taxpayers to the tune of four mother fucking trillion dollars for 2015........
War is peace
Hate is love
Obama loves peace
War is love of peace
Obama is killing us with his love
Don't complain. The Americans elected this silly person.
Well that should let you know we are not far from the end.
Since i live close to a military base a swift death will be nice.
The US can escalate this, and each time it does, Russia will react stronger, as it is protecting its vital national interests and Russians and pro-Russian Ukrainians, from a Nazi regime that the US has installed in Kiev. Each time the US escalates, Russia will escalate, ALL THE WAY, if need be. This is what happens when you have a corrupt, psychopathic echo chamber govt.
it's not the reactions that bother me so much as the possible "preemptions"
Bananamerica.
Love your Moniker. Oh So Fitting.
Unfortunately we are watching the destruction of the Ukraine caused predominantly by US and to a lesser extent by Europe: Kiev's aggressions (relentless artillery firing upon living areas in Donzek and Lukhansk) will be met by counter attacks growing in strength and the occupied area shall likely grow slowly. The separatists are very motivated and the demands of Russia on the table: (1) federal structure of the Ukraine (2) territorial integrity of Ukraine bot peninsula will remain Russian soil (2) no NATO membership but (3) membership in the Eurasian Trade Union. All of this, I think, is better than a war.
"we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine"
Another conspiracy theory turns out to be true.
Yeah but, it's not the Russians. At least that's what this guy says: http://sgtreport.com/2015/02/ukrainian-government-no-russian-troops-are-...
Fucking Obama lying again. What a Piece of Shit. Obama, the Faggot, is a poor excuse of a human.
Too many people focus on Obama. He is not where it's at. Nor was it Bush before him. To think that Obama or Bush could have veered from their defined course is the height of naivete.
aka dufus dubya and bathhouse barry.
Progressives believe that the primary thing is intention and results are secondary. They judge the actions of others as deliberately evil regardless of result...again "intention" being the issue. Bush was judged as evil, taking us to war for oil or Haliburton or whatever other vile intent that could be considered. Regardless of his actions or motivations, he did manage to assemble a coalition of other countries who at least tepidly supported his actions. Obama has pursued his agenda while destroying most coalitions. There is virtually no countries who trust or respect Obama.He is initiating war around the globe with no specific agenda. The one common thread that could popularly be used to unify, global Jihadism, has been categorically denied by Obama. He won't even use the terminology. While perpetrating war, the one thing he might legitimately claim to be the enemy he deliberately denies. Regardless of what one might think about radical Islam as a threat, why won't he use it? This is not about us versus them, it about us against each other.
What I see is deliberate chaos. This is not about war. This is the destruction of all alliances, all trust, all societal order.
Power through chaos.
Exactly. Obama is a 9mm. Bush is .40. Both have been used to kill us. Do you blame the gun or the trigger puller?
Except Obama is a 40, forced into the 9mm barrel. every time he pulls the trigger it blows up in OUR face.
After a while everything can't be a coincidence or accident.
More weapons for this?
http://youtu.be/3TZ9Q18HKlQ
get the ICBM' warmed up in the bullpen
They are a critical part of the elite distraction and there is no way that they are going to ruin their careers by criticizing the US Government.
The ideology will kill us.... And Putin have NO ideology.
If there is a Hell, Obama is set on getting a membership to that club.
Stay out of it. This is nothing but a precursor to a continuation what we thought ended in 1945.
I know where Washington can round up some of this stuff: all the SWAT teams they gave it to to play with. HOWEVER, Washington will need the SWAT teams to go with the SWAT team stuff, because the SWAT teams have been practicing real hard with the SWAT team stuff, and have learned how to use it just right so they don't hurt any innocent Ukrainians who are NOT among the overwhelming percent that voted NOT to join the EU. :^)
Ukrainian soldiers are honored with SHAEF medals by US army general Ben Hodges, commander of US Army Europe.
http://www.eur.army.mil/leaders/USAREURCommander.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxNa4wpgWL8
Isn't that special. Catch bullets for a piece of zinc.
wow, will it buy a loaf of bread.
how neanderthal.
The so-called Liberal Hegemony hasn't produced any results promised by the Neocons except for having made those powerful interest groups ( Wall Street and MIC) obscenely rich at expenses of everyone else. The biggest challenge is not Russia but China. The US needs to rebuild its broken economy first. Without that all bets are off.
This shit has been going on since the Russians sank the Maine...
http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/sinking-maine
You are one that pushes Bull Shit on others hoping some take the Bait . One could say that this was a black flag event as well. Good Day Sir, when you collect your paycheck as a Shill, make sure you Pay your Dues as will your Children going to War for the Bankers.
Easy son. He was just being funny.
(Don't tell him about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.)
Or the Jiggleitalittleitillopen incident.
Apparently Nicolas Cage sold most of Ukraine's small arms on the grey market back in the 1990s.
So here's Vlads eventual thinking, and the Russians just might buy into it because they know how corrupt the western governments have become.
If the sovereign state of Russia is reduced to utter chaos and mass starvation as a result of evil sanctions, go with the nuclear option. Might as well bring everyone else down too. It was the wests fault to begin with. Let ten warheads fly at israel because they're the real bad guys, 20 throughout europe and 50 icbm's head for dumbfuck america.
The neocon planners and propagandists are going to far. They're being awfully cavalier with a lot of peoples lives to play out a greedy power game. They're going to regret it.
The Spice Must Flow. In America it is exporting Dirivatives, Weapons and War. I don't believe in Heaven so no help coming from a fantasy.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Albert Einstein.
I have my slingshot ready for when WW4 breaks.
I got a stick ala einstein..
Compound bow(s) and fibreglass shaft polymer fletched arrows will still work fine, as will optical sights.
Even with modest practice, these are accurate, silent and have a very acceptable range.
(of course, thay are also fully recyclable . . . . .)
Compound bow(s) and fibreglass shaft polymer fletched arrows will still work fine, as will optical sights.
Even with modest practice, these are accurate, silent and have a very acceptable range.
(of course, thay are also fully recyclable . . . . .)
But how will you stop the remaining 479 zombies that are attacking you with rocks and sticks when you run out of fiberglass, fletched arrows?
Pull 'em out and reuse them, Chum.
(Might be worth a dip in Chlorox just to be on the safe side, seeing as the Zombie problem was a virus??)
What is that old saying about the camel getting his nose in the tent?
It's most likely that Ukraine is defauliting on her debt any day now. Soon will be not money to pay the troops or the mercenaries unless US-EU-NATO-IMF give the money to keep this war going on.
With those weapons will come "Advisors" I'm sure.
THey are there already. THey are the one begging for more support after being crushed by Anti-Nazi Ukrainian Rebels.
It's going to be priceless watching the faces of EU leaders when Mr. Putin announces that one this "100-ton ballistic missile Sarmat" is aiming at every NATO vassals in EU and beyond.
This not even made it to US MSM.: Gazprom gets highest investment grade from China’s biggest ratings agency. The empire is tumbling down.
What does a Ukrainian get when the current U.S. installed government is hemorrhaging conscripts by the hour for the past 9 months because they are either being killed by their own countrymen who have lost their jobs... lost their homes... lost their families... either through the government outright annihilating them because they are taking up precious land "for other uses" or because of mutiny to a military they will not serve?...
Answer: They get imported ISIS that cut heads off! One thing is for certain. They won't be doing that much longer!
So this is the democracy that "mission accomplished" Commander-in-Chimp sponsors?!!!
My only wish at this point is that the American people come to their senses and import one of these ISIS lads (wouldn't be at all surprised if they come from the U.S.) and send them to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue -before it's too late for the rest of us!
ISIS is a creation of Mossad, the CIA and British Intelligence.
Why do you think ISIS never does anything terrorist against Israel?
When was the last time ISIS beheaded an ISRAEL SOLDIER?
This is a vid of several tanks firing in what appears to be the Ukraine
I don't know if they are speaking Ukrainian or Russian.
The flag on the tanks is telling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8t0J086Ef8
perhaps someone can translate
maybe these are Russian tanks, I don't know.
I'll translate, they said "leave".
It was the "rebels" versus the "coup", the winners are the ammo suppliers as well as financiers, and lobbyists (Biden's son).
Smitty
It may say leave but regardless of what side is saying it we know who's getting their asses handed to them.
You and your friend 'freedom123' are going to be paying alot more for that condo property in Eastern Ukraine if this continues.
I think Mr. Kolmoisky has a special (2 for 1) offer to 4 acre lote if you sign up for service to the Kiev Army... But only for a limited time and only while supplies last!
I don't think it was Russian, something related though. The telling thing is the flag: surely the head depicted is that of Alfred E Neumann of Mad Magazine fame?
I only want to know where the Dancing Mossads will be appearing next.
The banksters need to repay us.
So my sign guy, and I, were talking the other day. He has slowly,and reluctantly, been woken up by yours truly.
Well, he asks, "What the hell is this Zionism thing you keep mentioning?" Now, I could have given him a long speech, and named names, but instead I told him to research who benefited on, and after, 9/11, but to ignore what may, or may not, have really happened." He asked me today to explain "Larry Silverstein" and the "crazy lease, insurance, deal." When I finished, he was flabbergasted. Wait until I explain #6, the missing gold, and missing records.
I vaguely remember some insider trading that happened just before 911 also. All those who did it were found not guilty after the FBI determined they were not terrorist!
Larry Silverstein? There are not many people who would catch that reference. Always make sure to have insurance. I would like to say thank you for what you are trying to do. I know how hard it is to do because I have been trying for many years and some people think I am nuts. Pehaps I am a bit nuts but something nefarious is going on so I think the sheep are nuts too for not seeing it. There are days I want to give up and just be a sheep. The problem is that I not a sheep so I can't give up. It is good to know that you are out there giving some effort and I thank you for it.
Keep up the good work and I will keep after them as well. We may not win but I do not want to have any regrets on the day I die.
It's not just "The Insurance Scam of the Century", but also the case of the Pentagon's "missing billions", forever conveniently "forgotten" as a result of the WTC-7 mysterious collapse (http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/trillions.html).
Makes you wonder if all of the current MIC budget (official and "Back Office Deals") is actually spent on systems, or actually spent on such far more important things as lobbying / partying / bribes / personal pork-barrelling.
It has happened before (the "Phantom Legions" of the Roman Empire are a classic example of MIC outright theft, with no benefit even to the regular troops), and with the extent of corruption / cronyism in the US corridors of power (Civil AND Military) today, it would be very foolish to suggest that this wouldn't happen again, on a far larger scale.
What's the bets that many essential "MIL-Spec" componebts might actually be recycled, relabelled "Civilian-spec", or even downright fakes? - This is certainly food for consideration - http://www.ibtimes.com/why-pentagon-finding-counterfeit-chinese-electronics-critical-military-equipment-701214 (in 2012 . . . . .)
If KC is not going to give up then I will not give up.
Still working my way though Michael C Rupperts "Crossing the Rubicon". A fairly mind-numbing read, but it's all there and supports what guys like Edward Norton exposed as factual, almost a decade before Norton outed the NSA and the rest of the scum, backdoor primed software and more skullduggery than a weekend with the Borgia's and the Mafia.
Funny thing is Obama is Putin's stooge
Blowback is a nuclear armed broke Socialist America
"The one thing holding back the US is the question whether, in the words of the WSJ, "a decision to provide “defensive lethal arms” would prompt Mr. Putin to reduce his support for the pro-Moscow rebels or trigger him to ramp it up, further destabilizing the country.""
Really? It is totaly obvious that Putin will ramp up support if the U-S openly provide offensive support. (I say openly because lot of M16/M4 type guns can already be found left by ukrainians. http://youtu.be/VbGCL0cfBdU?t=1m54s ). Next thing you will know is that 100 artillery system from Russia is entering Ukraine with even more ammo truck.
Putin trolls young Ukrainians, "Come to Russia, we'll provide you refuge from draft. Don't die protecting interests of foreign bourgeoisie!"
Millions have already done so.
The Ukrainian government now prohibits young males (fresh meat) from leaving not only the country, but even their cities. Is it the promised "freedom"?
This war which causes huge bloodletting is abolutely unnecessary and will not end unless the Europeans reject the logic of the war and stop providing Ukraine with money. It would suffice to lift the sanctions against Russia to achieve an end of this disgraceful situation. As soon as Europe lifts the sanctions it will be difficult for the US to continue on its path of openly and covertly fuelling this war. Kiev enrolls 100.000 young men, gives them 4-6 weeks training and sends them to the east where they are slaughtered. Despicable.
Progressive warmongering - how novel.
With the proposal of the Obongo administration to send " military trainers " to Ukraine , Russia should declare a " No fly zone over Ukraine " so that the idiots in themilitary that go there to figth a war organized by their government , know that aerial support will not come and any intrudere will be shot down !
That will make it clear that the " military advisers" will not last long in Ukraine .
Here we are again, comments from Washington all refer to "Russian aggression in Ukraine" and the standup comedian 'Poroshenko' claims that Russia has invaded Ukraine at least 15 times and counting. Yet no evidence to support these claims has ever been provided. Not once.
The only irrefutable evidence that's come to light is the presence of English-speaking armed military personnel, thought to be American. No explanation is provided by Washinton of who these people are, so one can probably assume they are there by Washington's instruction or connivance.
People in the West need to wake up and demand a full explanation from their governments of WTF is going on in Ukraine and why we are involved at all.
Looks like deja vu all over again.
The US is running its foreign policy - arming Ukraine against Russia - according to local politics - sending some money to US arms manufacturers who happen to be campaign contributors.This is not going to end well.
They already did it. Their artillery shells are being used on civilians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwlMtJA0bJQ
All part of the plan to get the price of oil back up. Nothing like a long protracted war to send the price of crude soaring
"The one thing holding back the US is the question whether, in the words of the WSJ, "a decision to provide “defensive lethal arms” would prompt Mr. Putin to reduce his support for the pro-Moscow rebels or trigger him to ramp it up, further destabilizing the country." "
the WSJ is as f*ckin' stupid as the obummer gubment.
if this is truly the question holding the ussa back then there is absolutely no hope.
these people are just plain impossibly stupid.
any 5 yr old (non ussa) can answer this question.
of course Putin would back down. /s LMAO
When it comes to foreign policy, Russia plays chess, the USA plays Poker and obama plays chutes and ladders. What happened in Afghanistan (Regan era not Bush2 era) is now happening in the Ukraine. (Whether Europe is involved I can't say, although they'd be wise to do more than focus on the circus in Greece).
NATO (other than Britain) exists in name only. The majority of the other participants never contributed more than enough to man a HQ during joint exercises, and they've double-slotted units assigned to NATO to to other TFs. (One reason they're loathe to get involved with any military endeavor that does't involve the USA in the lead). ISAF = I stayed at the FOB or I saw Americans fighting.
Oh and "Joos".
Its about time US led the world again, i know i speak for the majority when i say as soon as revolution comes to Russia the better