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Guest Post: How Vaccine Hysteria Could Spark A Totalitarian Nightmare
Authored by Lee Hieb, M.D., originally published at World Net Daily, via Alt-Market blog,
Gov. Chris Christie has been vilified for making a very simple statement – that parents (and presumably patients themselves) should have the freedom to choose whether to vaccinate their children. I have been asked for years what I thought about vaccination, so let me lay out the issues.
Before getting into the science, lets discuss the philosophy:
1. The voices shrieking to forcibly vaccinate people are the same voices shrieking to support a woman’s right to choose abortion under Roe v. Wade. If a woman’s body is sacrosanct, if she has the right to choose to deliver a child or not, if she has total authority over her body, how can she not have the right to accept or refuse a vaccination?
2. Medical ethics are clear: No one should be forced to undergo a medical treatment without informed consent and without their agreement to the treatment. We condemn the forced sterilization of the ’20s and ’30s, the Tuskegee medical experiments infecting black inmates and the Nazi medicine that included involuntary “Euthanasia,” experimentation and sterilization. How can we force vaccination without consent? Vaccination is a medical treatment with risks including death. It is totally antithetical to all ethics in medicine to mandate that risk to others.
3. Science is never “concluded.” Mr. Obama and other ideologues may think the truth is finalized (“The science is indisputable”), but the reality is our understanding of disease and treatment are constantly being updated. Just like Newton’s mechanical paradigm of the universe was supplanted by Einsteinian physics, and physicists today modify that view, medical “truth” is not the truth for long. In an attempt to quantify change in medicine, years ago a cardiology journal discussed “The Half-life of Truth.” cardiologists looked back in their journal at 20-year-old articles to see how much of what was believed then was still believed to be true. The answer? 50 percent. So in cardiology, at least – and in all of medicine to greater or lesser degree – only half of what we believe now will still be true in 20 or so years. The last word on vaccination is not in. It hasn’t even begun to be written.
4. If you believe absolutely in the benefit and protective value of vaccination, why does it matter what others do? Or don’t do? If you believe you need vaccination to be healthy and protected, then by all means vaccinate your child and yourself. Why should you even be concerned what your neighbor chooses to do for his child – if vaccination works? The idea of herd immunity is still based on the idea that in individual cases vaccines actually are protective.
5. If you think the government has the right to forcibly vaccinate people – for the good of society – what is to prevent them from forcibly sterilizing people, or forcibly euthanizing people, or forcibly implanting a tracking device – for the good of society? You make think those examples are extreme (although two-thirds have happened), but the principle is the same. You are allowing government to have ultimate authority over your body.
So, I’ve been asked, “Why not vaccinate your children? Why not take the influenza vaccine?” Well, I believe the choice is up to you. I’ve covered my thinking about the influenza vaccine in an article in the Journal of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, available online, but here are some facts about childhood vaccines that make me think twice about their use. I traced these points back to the source, so these are not blindly reprinted from hearsay Internet articles. In some cases I found public references to be wrong but the data to be correct when I got to the source. Much of this comes from government reporting. Anyone can research disease incidence by reading MMWR (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report) from the CDC and accessing the search engine for VAERS (Vaccine complication reporting site) at http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php.
1. Since 2005 (and even before that), there have been no deaths in the U.S. from measles, but there have been 86 deaths from MMR vaccine – 68 of them in children under 3 years old. And there were nearly 2,000 disabled.
2. In countries which use BCG vaccinations against tuberculosis, the incidence of Type I diabetes in children under 14 is nearly double. (“Infectious Disease in Clinical Practice” no. 6 pages 449-454, 1997)
3. As reported in Lancet in 1995, inflammatory bowel disease (i.e. Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis) is 13 times more prevalent in persons vaccinated for measles.
4. In a nested case-control study within the General Practice Research Database (GPRD) in the United Kingdom, patients who had a first MS (Multiple Sclerosis) diagnosis recorded were compared with controls. The authors concluded that immunization with the recombinant hepatitis B vaccine is associated with a threefold increased risk of developing MS (Hernan et al., 2004). No increased risk of MS was associated with other vaccines, which included tetanus and influenza vaccinations.
5. In 1982 William Torch, a prolific researcher and publisher on Neurologic topics, presented a paper (later published) at the American Academy of Neurology reviewing SIDS deaths. He reported that in 100 consecutive cases, 70 percent of SIDS deaths occurred within three weeks of pertussis vaccination. In very convincing confirmation, a Japanese prefecture stopped vaccinating after associating SIDS with the pertussis vaccine. It is worth reading the entire description from Viera Scheibner, PhD:
In 1975, about 37 Crib Sudden Deaths were linked to vaccination in Japan. Doctors in one prefecture boycotted vaccinations, and refused to vaccinate. The Japanese government paid attention and stopped vaccinating children below the age of 2 years. When immunization was delayed until a child was 24 months of age, Sudden Infant Death cases and claims for vaccine related deaths disappeared. Japan zoomed from a high 17th place in infant mortality rate to the lowest infant mortality rate in the world when they stopped vaccinating. Japan didn’t vaccinate any children below the age of 2 years between 1975 and 1988, for 13 years. But then in 1988, Japanese parents were given the choice to start vaccinating anywhere between 3 months and 48 months. The Ministry study group studied 2,720 SIDS cases occurring between 1980 and 1992 and they established that their very low SIDS rate quadrupled.
6. A mail survey was done of 635 children in the Netherlands in 2004. German measles and whooping cough (pertussis) were twice as common in unvaccinated children. However, throat inflammations, ear infections, rheumatologic complaints, seizures and febrile convulsions were much more common in the vaccinated group. Aggressive behavioral episodes were eight times more frequent in vaccinated children, and sleep disordered more often. Tonsils were removed in 33 percent of children who had been vaccinated vs. 7.3 percent unvaccinated.
7. In 1947, the first reports of brain inflammation and chronic brain damage, including death, after pertussis vaccination began to be published (Brody, 1947; Byers and Moll, 1948, Low, 1955, Berg, 1958; Strom, 1960, 1967; Dick, 1967, 1974; Kuhlenkampff, 1974; Stewart, 1977, 1979). But it took more than 40 years of collective evidence before academic medicine decided it was true –1981 National Childhood Encephalopathy Study (NCES) and in 1991 and 1994 by the Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences.
In 1991, after reviewing vaccine safety, the Institute of Medicine admitted, “In the course of its review, the committee encountered many gaps and limitations in knowledge bearing directly or indirectly on the safety of vaccines. These include inadequate understanding of the biologic mechanisms underlying adverse events following natural infection or immunization, insufficient or inconsistent information from case reports and case series, inadequate size or length of followup of many population based epidemiologic studies [and] few experimental studies published in relation to the number of epidemiologic studies published.”
So the next question is: Does vaccination work? Does it really protect you against disease? The answer is variable. Smallpox vaccine seems to be nearly universally protective against the very fatal disease of smallpox, and use of vaccine led to the eradication of the disease in the wild. But the dirty little secret in recent outbreaks of mumps, measles and pertussis is – they are occurring in vaccinated people in highly vaccinated populations!
In 2006 an epidemic of mumps broke out in my state of Iowa. Ultimately, 11 states reported 2,597 cases of mumps. The majority of mumps cases (1,487) were reported from Iowa. As reported in “Mumps Epidemic – Iowa, 2006,” “Despite control efforts and a highly vaccinated population, this epidemic has spread across Iowa and potentially to neighboring states.” According to the CDC, “During the prevaccine era, nearly everyone in the United States experienced mumps, and 90 percent of cases occurred among children, although 97 percent of children entering school in Iowa had received two doses of MMR vaccine. ” Of note, this outbreak mostly occurred in young adults of college age who had received the vaccine. Only 6 percent of those affected were known to be unvaccinated, 12 percent received one dose of MMR vaccine, 51 percent had two doses of MMR vaccine, and 31 percent (mostly adults) were not sure of their immunization history.
In 2008-2009, Australia had epidemics of whooping cough and measles. Health authorities there must reveal the vaccination status of children in epidemics. Eighty-four percent of Australian children who got whooping cough were fully vaccinated, and 78 percent who got measles had record of measles vaccination.
In the 2010 outbreak of whooping cough in California, well over half the victims were fully vaccinated.
Whooping cough continuously declined in the U.S. from over 100,000 cases in 1922 to around 1978 when 2,063 cases were reported. That year, pertussis vaccine became mandated for school attendance. Beginning around 1995, when the U.S. had 5,137 cases, the incidence has increased, to 2012 when over 48,000 cases were reported, including 20 deaths. The majority of deaths were in newborns under three months of age. Why is this happening? It is not because people are not becoming vaccinated. The CDC says more than 84 percent of children under 3 years old have been vaccinated with four doses of pertussis vaccine. But the current vaccine does not include all strains of pertussis. And the most vulnerable to the disease – the small infants – are not able to take the vaccine. Since older children and adults are much less likely to die of whooping cough, the question that must be asked is this: Is vaccination effective in producing antibody transfer from mother to infant? Or is it better to allow the natural disease to occur?
Finally, it turns out that death and disability from many childhood diseases is preventable by means other than vaccination. Vitamin A has been known since the 1930s to reduce mortality from measles by 60 percent. Vitamin D is protective against viral illness. And numerous authors and studies have shown the damaging effects of chemical antipyretics (fever lowering drugs) on the natural course of disease – a practice still sadly in widespread use in America. Better understanding of disease mechanisms, utilizing nutritional support and better scientific care of the sick child are safer alternatives to widespread vaccination.
Perhaps one of the best perspectives on the whole vaccination paradigm is provided by Dr. Harold Buttram, M.D., FAACP:
As one of today’s senior citizens who grew up in a Midwestern state in the 1930s, and as a doctor who has treated many children, I may have a special vantage point of time and experience in regard to the changes that have taken place in the health of America’s children since the relatively innocent times of the 1930s. At summer camps in the New Mexico Mountains that I was fortunate to attend, no boy had allergies, none was on medication, and no boy was ever sick with the common ailments of today. It was much the same in schools. I don’t recall ever seeing a child with easily recognized behaviors now described as hyperactivity (ADHD) or autism.
Today in stark contrast, approximately one-third of our youngsters are afflicted with the 4-A Disorders (Autism, ADHD, Asthma, and Allergies), as described and documented by Dr. Kenneth Bock. School budgets are being strained to the breaking points in providing special education classes for autistic and learning disabled children. Allergy problems are proliferating, as indicated by long lines of children at school nursing stations for their noontime medications.
Could today’s infant and childhood vaccine programs, with their steadily increasing numbers of vaccines, be a contributory cause of this ominous health trend? As reflected in the U.S. Congressional Hearings (1999 to December 2004) on issues of vaccine safety, in which major deficiencies in vaccine safety testing were disclosed, it is a real possibility that vaccines may be one of the major, if not the major cause of this trend.
I, too, am old enough to remember these times. We are changing the pattern of disease, but not necessarily making our children nor ourselves healthier. We are converting benign childhood disease into more severe adult disease. Consider the chickenpox vaccine. We used to have chickenpox parties where small children were purposely exposed to kids sick with chickenpox. In those days, every mother or grandmother knew it was safer for toddlers to get the disease early and not wait until teenage years. Now we vaccinate, but of course that vaccine is only effective for 15-20 years, so now adults must constantly be revaccinated or run the risk of getting a life-threatening severe form of chickenpox. The shingles uptick is directly attributable to the lack of re-exposure of older people to the wild chickpox virus. But not to worry – the drug companies can sell us a shingles vaccine for a disease their previous vaccine created.
We have forgotten that for most normal children, childhood diseases are benign. As recounted about mumps in the Iowa Department of Public Health Manual, “it is more common in infants, children and young adults. Of people who are not immunized, >85 percent will have mumps by adulthood, but symptoms may have been mild and therefore not recognized.”
At the end of the day, the issue here is one of freedom, and freedom is the freedom to choose – even if we make a bad choice. The argument that I must vaccinate my children for the good of the community is not only scientifically questionable, it is an unethical precept. It is the argument all dictators and totalitarians have used. “Comrade, you must work tirelessly for the good of the collective. You must give up your money and property for the good of the collective, and now … you must allow us to inject your children with what we deem is good for the collective.” If American’s don’t stand up against this, then we are lost. Because we have lost ownership of ourselves. Our bodies are no longer solely ours – we and our children are able to be commandeered for the “greater good.”
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Another fucking idiot.
As a staunch liberal, I strongly believe that those parents who don't believe the government has the right to inject anything into their children should have their children taken away.
Hey "My Body, my CHOICE", right? I think that the science of vaccine[s] is potentiall good, but the way it is currently being used [agaisnt us] I would NEVER vaccinate my child or even my dogs. Hate away if you will but give me a valid reason why I should succomb to someone else's irrational FEAR and put something into my body I can not validate as being good, much less safe...........
CDC whistleblower re. MMR measles vaccine causing autism with ongoing knowledge and cover-up by the CDC will testify and be gvien immunity:
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/bombshell-cdc-whistleblower-who-admitted-covering-up-mmr-vaccine-links-to-autism-granted-immunity-will-testify_022015
If WE choose to not take the needle, how does that endanger YOU who mindlessly embraced the needle? YOU are protected, right? Idiocy on all sides, surrounded now....
For any given individual the effectiveness of the vaccine can vary dramatically. When the population as a whole is vaccinated the chances of any individual catching it is reduced nearly to zero.
It's a law of large numbers situation. Probabilities can not be reduced to zero. Not at the individual level and not even at the population level. But the more who get the vaccine, the lower we push the chances of any individual in the population acquiring the disease.
You domestic extremists just need to chill and learn to trust the government. When have they EVER lied to us?
My main problem with vaccines is that they're pushed by the medical establishment as being risk-less or at least a “no brainer” to get. Whenever they pass out pamphlets urging you to get one there's never a number or percentage of those who ultimately have an adverse reaction. There isn't much hard data at all, it's mostly emotional fear-mongering that you'll probably die from the disease and the vaccine is “completely” safe. Ideally, there should be a table, on the left side the number of people severely affected by the pathogen, on the right, the number of people who have a severe adverse reaction to the vaccine for that pathogen. Most people will make the logical choice, if the data is unbiased and correct. But alas, we now live in a world full of liars who manipulate data for their own self-interests.
Racist alert!
... "Could Spark a Totalitarian Nightmare..."
Could Spark a Totalitarian Nightmare? Where the heck has this author been hiding the last couple of years...
I applaud the author. the elites are evil for doing this to children and us.
“Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.” – The Impact of Science on Society (1953) by Bertrand Russell, p.50
Check the declines in death rates before vaccines introduced:
http://drtenpenny.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Decline-of-infectious-disease.pdf
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/decline1.html
Nutrition and hygene.
This is a good way to separate the control freaks from the anti-control freaks.
Common sense would dictate that if you take a vaccination then whether or not someone else does is of no concern to you.
Only old white male Chosenites can print money. All you Zerohedgers are brainwashed if you think that a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or Amish will ever be allowed to print money. Young can't print. Females not allowed to print their own currency. Those with dark skin pigment in their skin will NEVER be allowed to have a money printing press. The NATO chosenites will kill you dead before you get one bill out... You all will be given vaccines...
The days of moneyprinting are over.
Yeh sure whatever. Next thing you know they will want to put highly toxic floride chemicals in EVERYBODY'S water to prevent (non-life threatening) tooth decay.
Oh wait....
Too bad Greenspan didn't have a vaccine against his lover Ayn Rand. No one can even count how many people have been killed by the bankers, but let's all debate this pointless tripe about whether we should vaccinate. It's a big story on Drudge, and I hear that libertarian candidate Rand got a booster because HE IS A FUCKING WHORE.
And he was smiling while he took it. Nice integrity. Put the lotion on its skin.
don't be jealous of greenspan just because he was doing your girlfriend.
also, don't tell lies. rand paul is not a libertarian. and if he wants to get a vaccine, that's his business, not yours.
Measles Police State: “Parents who do not vaccinate their children should go to jail”
Global Research had a great article on this recently;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccine-mccarthyism-what-if-the-vaccine-par...
good article
Since I personally know at least two people who 'caught' the virus from the s0-called, "live attenuated vaccines," I have my worries about these.
You are correct about the "Chosenites", but they are not white. Chosenites are a mixed mongrel edomite race, that is why they have over 100 "Chosenite specific" diseases. You can't get all those diseases because you run the federal reserve ponzi scheme or go to a synagogue.
Central banking has been replicated in every country on the planet. Has nothing to do with skin color.
Once again, may I present Dr. Mary's Monkey, a must listen!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ5-liXcXLI
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"What takes away the doctors bread?
Your gaining health or falling dead.
So doctors tend to act quite mean:
They try to keep you in between."
- old German poem.
That is just so spot on. Poetry wins....
http://m.medicalxpress.com/news/2015-02-antipsychotic-meds-prompt-zombie...
ZERO Measles Deaths in USA for last 10 Years, Over 100 Measles Vaccine Deaths Reported
Link check...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djdBDfGjTpQ
Measles vaccine kills at least 15 children in Syria:
“UNICEF and WHO have been shocked and saddened to learn of the deaths of at least 15 young children in Idlib, Syria,” the statement said. “The deaths of the children occurred in areas where a measles immunization campaign had been under way.”
“There was shouting and screaming, it was hard for the parents. You get your child vaccinated and then you find your child dying, it’s very hard,”
Statements from the Syrian opposition and reports from rights groups have put the number of vaccine-related deaths between 34 and 50.
rt.com/news/188580-syria-children-dead-vaccinations/
fuck statists and pharma trolls. Drown in the bile you spew!
Jock Doubleday, director of the California non-profit corporation Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc., has offered $75,000 to the first medical doctor or pharmaceutical company CEO who publicly drinks a mixture of standard vaccine additives.
The additives would be the same as those contained in the vaccines recommended for a 6-year-old according to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines, and the dose would be body-weight calibrated. It would include, but not be limited to:
Your body your choice right? - why not make $75,000 in the process, ironically last time I checked nobody had taken up the offer - but they will tell mothers all day to vaccinate their children before these children can have any inkling of the possible ramifications and make the choice for themselves. Clearly under the guise of woman empowerment was really an agenda of state empowerment. Thus it never quits even though studies have shown Vitamin D to be way more effective than a flu shot.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/2010/1/Startling-Findings-About-Vitamin-D-Le...
Some vaccines save lives - a rabies shot will save your life your chances of living when infected without it - zero. But at the same time why do the pharmaceutical manufacturers INSIST on using Thimerosal in the vaccines (liquid mercury - serioulsy!)
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/07/19/75-000-off...
I like my vaccines to have a 200 year shelf life.
Mercury gets you there.
Just like food, it's the additives that will kill you, not the germs in the vaccines.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/07/19/75-000-off...
My offer stands at $200,000 as of June 1, 2009.
www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC$75,000VaccineOffer.htm
Questions: Why won't MDs drink the poisons they inject into babies on a daily basis? Why won't members of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices drink additive ingredients in the vaccines they say are safe?
In health,
Jock Doubleday
Director
Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc.
A California 501(c)3 Nonprofit Corporation
www.spontaneouscreation.org
director@spontaneouscreation.org
Yes'm you are technically correct. Some people might get sick, but a ton of lives will be saved. I'll take 99.9% of a win.
I had a buddy who got sick and almost died from getting the flu shot, that doesn't mean that the flu vaccine doesn't save thousands of lives a year. Because it does.
Not everything is damn conspiracy.
you are uninformed on this issue.
That's an understatement to say the least. By SilverBullett's logic we should give up all our guns and blindly accept the Federal Reserve......
Only old white male Chosenites can print money. All you Zerohedgers are brainwashed if you think that a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or Amish will ever be allowed to print money. Young can't print. Females not allowed to print their own currency. Those with dark skin pigment in their skin will NEVER be allowed to have a money printing press. The NATO chosenites will kill you dead before you get one bill out...
Why print when you can stack?
Wait....did he just say his friend almost died from a flu shot and he is still pro vaccine? WOW..brilliant
Ya. He is pretty stupid. But hey, inject away, friend. It used to be a free country. It should be up to each individual. It's a constant battle between me and my wife. We have a son who I have so far been able to keep vaccine free, but she wants to do it. And we are under constant pressure from both of our families to get him injected. She wants to do a smaller number of them when he is two, I want none of it because I think they are toxic poison and I don't think they work.
Good luck, Carl. Fight the good fight. I'm in the exact same boat. Pharma and their govt stoolies are going too far. It's looking like the whole shit taco, from economy to culture to environment, iis melting down. it only gets wackier from here.
Too many idiots on this board. The flu kills 50,000 people a year in the US - over 100 day on average. If moe people were vaccinated that would save lives. If a few people get a bit sick, but you save 10,000 lives, why would you not push the vaccine. We know that the higher the vaccination rate the harder it is for a bug to spread in a population.
Those who don't want to get vaccinated are basically "free riders", getting the benefit for no cost. scum.
Don't Believe Everything You Read About Flu Deaths
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/death-by-influenza_b_46614...
Billwilson
My how the propaganda has worked well with you. How can you even consider the flu shot effective when they have always failed to isolate the correct strain at the begining of the flu season to begin with. I suspect the largest portion of the probable overinflated stat of 50,000 deaths are immue compromised to begin with so a vaccine would not help in those cases. You have the mentality of a drug abuser who is suspicious and hostile to anyone not abusing drugs like themselves.
The argument that more people have to get sick to prevent sickness is silly. Vaccines are one of mankinds' greatest achievements. The populations that bore the brunt of smallpox, rubella, measles, whooping cough and POLIO (most ZHers' parents and grandparents) lined up to get vaccinated, with incredible success. All these diseases killed thousands every year. Now they are rare. But I see the vast majority of comments are anti-vaccine. There is a serious shortage of critical thinking on these pages.
It's not a flu vaccine, it's called a "flu shot", because that's what you're getting--an injection of the flu.
I am Chumbawamba.
Not to mention the brain damaging heavy metals aluminum and mercury. Also enjoy the neurotoxins MSG, and aspartame. The kiddies should especially benefit from the insect DNA in their injections. Let's not forget the explosion in autism being caused by these little government health destroyers. The MMR shots toddlers receive at 18 months is designed to shave 10-20 points off their I.Q. 100 million people are already dead from the sv-40 laced polio vaccines and we have ignoramuses commenting that these soft kill eugenics weapons are good.
You do realize that you are exposed to aluminum and mercury naturally by a factor many times over nationally every year given how much we use both in our society today?
The problem with that line of thinking is that it is circular and faulty. My body is already being poisoned against my will so I should allow it to be poisoned even more? Also, vaccines introduce these deadly metals and chemicals DIRECTLY into our blood stream with a near 100% absorption rate. This is far more dangerous than eating a tuna sandwich where the absorption rate of mercury through digestion is around .01%. Not that I like mercury in my sandwich, but the point is, you fight your battles where you can, and there is absolutely no logical or scientifically vindicated reason to take a vaccine given the immense risks versus the unproven and questionable gains.
Just because you didn't peronally experience polio doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Your blindness to history doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Because there's absolutely no difference between cooking in an aluminum pot occasionally and injecting it directly into your bloodstream.
Double facepalm.
And you realize that the environmental mercury is not by choice?
And you realize that these environmental toxin are not surrepticiously injected directly into my bloodstream?
Perhaps you are demonstrating what mercury does to one's cognition? Thank you for that public service.
Do we really need to save lives? As far as I can tell, the herd could use some natural die-off from weak immune systems.
exactly the plan-but wait, no action needed, we are (have become) a HFCS sipping society; approx. 50 percent of the population. slow death. sience is finding that sugar is unlocking cancer (in all our cells) at the molecular level. love it, keep sipping as the hmo's luv it and so does buffet. coke for slow death, one life to live and insuline for the duration. fucking idiots called humans...
Sugar and carbs are absolutely necessary for the body.
Fat and protein requires stress hormones for energy use.
High fat intake is more related to diabetes than high carb intake. Obsserve the people that eat lots of deep fried food.
Comment of the day. Next question: Do individuals and nations really need to measure quality of life by individual income and GNP?
Its part of the manic depressive world we live in that the same people who are trying so desperately to save each and every life, willing to surrender all of our freedoms and liberties to do so, are also the very same people warning of overpopulation and devising more schemes to eliminate us, be it through abortion or restricted healthcare due to age.
Psychopaths.
Probably the result of vaccines
think about it
I used to take the flu shot and got the flu every year. I haven't gotten a shot in the past 6 years and haven't caught the flu since. Even the CDC admits the flu vaccine is practically worthless this year
Au contraire, the flu vaccine will be worth plenty...to the bottom lines of the Pharma companies that make them!!
I got the flu in 2000 and a buddy at work told me to take vitamin C. I started taking at least 1000 mg every day and that was my last flu encounter.
These control freaks are real humanitarians. Not only do they insist theirs is the only way, they will downvote you for failing to get sick.
I take 5000-10,000 mg vitamin C daily and haven't had a flu or cold in 10 years.
Hopefully you are taking REAL Vit C and not the abscorbic acid made in New Jersey that 90% of the "Vit C" out there contains.
Take real Vit C and you don't need nearly that much as it's readily absorbed, and far more better for you. Better yet people, eat more foods rich in Vit C...........this isn't rocket science.
You are hard pressed to OD on Vit C, and it's one of the most important vitmamins out there.
Yep ascorbic acid is typically loaded with heavy metals which are toxic to the body and may be partially responsible for the heavy immune response.
Food based vitamin C - cevitamic acid.
It's been about 20 years since my last flu shot. I've been fine. Whenever I got the shot, I was guaranteed to get sick, so I stopped taking it.
The worst health risk I ever encountered was mold in my forced air vents. I now live in a house with radiator heat--problem solved. Methinks forced air vents account for a lot of health problems, especially allergies.
Is your "buddy" as pleased about it all as you are? I would guess not.
might want to check the epidemiology on that claim. Flu deaths have been static for quite a while even with more people getting the shots.
In repsonse to a few other comments in this thread:
I don't take 5,000 Vitamin C or anything else. I haven't had the flu in over 30 years. Never taken a vaccine. Vitamin D is far more important for prevention anyway. No pills needed. Just get out in the sun AND STOP WEARING SUNSCREEN. 90% of the population is D deficient. Vit C is a THERAPY not as useful as a prevent measure.
The overuse of antibiotics in our medical system compounds the problem. Antibiotics are immunosuppresive by nature. I have had infections (sinus) and foregone antibiotics. Beat back the infection with diet, etc. My friend had an infection on a toe from running. Took the given antibiotics (expensive as well) and got sick as a dog. Went off, treated the infection with diet, etc WHILE TRAVELLING IN INDIA! and presto, infection gone.
Finally the Flu Shot is a literal roullete wheel. Each year they look at a bunch of stats and GUESS which strain will be the year's occurence and make the vaccine for THAT SINGLE STRAIN. IN other words if the strain that appears is not the correct choice in the shot it is fucking worthless. Add to that the fact that rarely is flu actually confirmed by a viral load test when diagnosed and the numbers are about as out of whack as AIDS numbers which is a whole 'nuther story.
Anecdotes are not evidence. The flue shot contains 3 varieties, not one. When faced with decisions that may lead to death or sickness, statistics are critical. You can't afford to wait for personal verification.
Anecdotes may not be "evidence", whatever that means. But it takes a fucking idiot to ignore them.
http://www.naturalnews.com/048530_flu_shot_CDC_vaccine_death.html
Just another anecdote. Sure it means nothing.
One key question:
If the vaccines are so good for our kids and are so safe, why do the pediatricians make you sign a waver that you will not sue them if something goes wrong with their "safe" vaccines ? Think about that ...
It goes beyond that, NOBODY has any liability so far as vaccines go. By a special act of congress.
Ask yourself why such an act might be necessary.
That's because the blessed ones are only trying to help us, and in the "progressive" new world, intentions far outweigh any consequence. Love and forgive, right? Unless you happen to be one of those who does not adopt their progressive religion, in which case you are to be ridiculed, marginalized and if needed, eliminated.
What other religion does that remind you of???
I begin to understand our leadership's unwillingness to condemn radical factions of Islam, given their shared structures and methodologies.
"Progressivism"
The new religion of peace....
because some ridiculous law suit might arise. The kid dies for any other reason and the parents blame the vaccine and go for the million $$ before court.
My main problem with vaccines is that one nearly killed me when I was about 6 months old.
As a first responder at work, I get offered the company-paid hepatitis B vaccine each year. The first year, I heard 'vaccine' and automatically declined. The second year, I actually read up on the vaccine. I discovered as someone with an immune system which rates as 'healthy as a horse', hepatitis was preferable to the vaccine. Not only that, they make it in China. Not that I have anything against authentic Chinese medicine; in fact, I am making a batch tomorrow. It's called hot and sour soup.
Playing Devils Advocate here.
So we shouldn't require children to wear seatbelts if their parents feel the dangers from wearing seatlbelts outweigh the benefits of wearing them?
I have no problem with an adult not wearing seatbelts, just don't expect the insurance company to pay for your injuries, thus driving my premiums up.
So if your child contracts a disease preventable by a readily available vaccine , you shouldn't get a dime from your insurance company either because I don't want to subsidize poor decision makers.
Do what ever the hell you want , just don't make me pay
Your payment may involve brain damage to your wife's fetus due to german measels. How much is that worth?
To all the dumb shits of the world: Get your kids vaccinated.
Mommy does not know best when it comes to this stuff.
Why this article is on ZH is beyond me unless this has become yet another website for fruitcakes.
Are you trying to turn me on? Well, it's working!
By the way, I can't wait until the government requires us to get a google/Apple/facebook microchip implanted into our body in order to keep us safe.
The govt says we should stop at stop lights to prevent crashes so I don't see what the problem is getting vaccinated.
Life is all about benefits outweighing risks and clearly, any risks from vaccinations against deadly virus are miniscule or non-existent compared to the threats of nature.
People, use your heads.
Stop lights and vaccines. Great comparison, shithead
Both attempt to prevent unecessary death and suffering. It is a legit comparison.
And how do you know, exactly, whether vaccines prevent more unnecessary death and suffering than they cause?
Here's an article from the american academy of pediatrics you can look at to get started:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/02/25/peds.2013-0698
I noticed it was authored by a bunch of those evil PhD types though, so read with caution.
I wouldn't consider that to be an unbiased source of information.
Disqualified.
It was authored by a bunch of those types who are paid by the following institutions:
Would you expect an even-handed approach? If so, I have a bridge you might be interested in. I mean, how long do you think Dr Wenger might remain affiliated with the Gates foundation if he raised questions?
Very, very bad choice of article to justify your emotional outbursts.
Cui bono?
Even stupid cops don't stop at stop signs. Or vaccinate their children with who knows what the hell is really in those shots
ss123 - your logic is flawed, both in your stop light example and in regard to threats "from" nature. You are part of nature, like it or not.
My logic is not flawed. It's all physics. Both collisions at intersections and viral machinery. All boil down to four interactions: electromagnetic force, weak nuclear force, strong nuclear force, and gravity.
There is no magic. We do what we can to reduce risk.
Stop lights and vaccines both reduce overall risk.
Big words from a small mind
You are complete in your douschebaggroupthinkelitesuckupedness. Proceed citizen of the new lame world.
I do believe ss123 has gone full-retard on us.
Fine. Don't stop at stop lights. Don't get vaccinated. Don't go to the doctor to get your insulin. Don't wear a parachute when you skydive.
Then, report back to tell us how all that works out for you.
You continue to confirm my diagnosis. Are you 12?
How do I confirm your diagnosis? My original argument was that we do things to reduce risks.
All things mentioned above, especially the parachute!, reduce risk.
Vaccinations reduce overall risk. I think you're just being silly or don't fully appreciate the progress we've made fighting death and suffering.
Are you a fan of the great Jenny McCarthy, PhD*?
Anyhow, I've had a lot of fun. Good night.
You eating a healthy, mostly meat-free diet reduces the risk of disease. You eating steaks and fast food, and drinking soda and such, constantly puts you at risk for a weakened immune system, that then puts me at risk of getting sick from you, the human incubator.
So, given that information: Will you aquiecse to my demands of your diet? Ready to give up bacon and eat your greens every day? Would it be right for me to expect to enforce this over you even though it clearly reduces both of our risks for adverse health?
Please don't eat a mostly meat diet like my avatar. You might die of old age.
Your odds of an early death will rise exponentially if you live on land those white guys want.
I stop at red lights because I don't want to hit another car or another car hit me. No one is questioning the physics of a 3,000 pound automobile crashing into another vehicle.
If I were to jump out of a perfectly good airplane I would wear a parachute because I would rather hit the ground at a cool 5-6 MPH verses 130. No one is questioning gravity.
And the chances of me getting injured or killed putting on the parachute are virtually zero. The same cannot be said for RNA vaccinations.
There are a growing number of scientists that believe vastly improved sanitation is the main reason some diseases have been eradicated, or at least believed to be eradicated.
There have been vaccination programs in third world countries for decades now and they still battle disease that the western, more sanitary world, has not seen for some time.
I certainly don't dismiss the value of vaccinations nor do I dismiss the real risks involved in injecting RNA vaccinations into your body.
And especially aware of all the "other" ingredients to stabilize and PRESERVE the vaccination.
All with "acceptable risks" determined by someone else and no way to define or quantify the risks because there is no reporting conduit. No law suits against pharma or government.
I'll keep questioning and you can just keep worshiping the pseudo, consensus science gods.
Good, reasonable summation. Only problem is the lack of emotion. When you talk about vaccines, you have to be EMOTIONAL! Irrational is even better!
Those vaccine pushers who love their emotions so much should try reading a few of the many web pages devoted to first-hand reports of vaccine side effects. Most of them concern children. They are very raw. Not having second thoughts upon reading them suggests a certain lack of intellect. And empathy, forget it, this is the USSA, we blast the shit out of children all over the world with not a twinge of guilt, no reason we should feel it for vaccine casualties I guess.
You miss the point.
This about freedom of choice
good choices and bad
You can provide all of the data to support you point as you wish
You still have no right to force anyone to do anything if they are harming no other
Freedom has value
Life is not simply about statistics or even span. Many, many people have died a tvery young ages to defend their view of freedom. You may thing they stupid, but you have no right to enforce your values upon them...unless you are a progressive or radical Muslim.
You know, it's idiots like this that make me wish I were dictator and I could impose every vaccination available to be shot in their arm as experimentation. Then we could watch if they live a life of perfect health, free from infections. They being willing participants.
It's hopeless Team. Some people cling to things in hopes of safety when in truth there is none. I bet he listens in rapt attention to the preflight safety lecture. Your seat is a flotation device you know. I always stroke mine during a transatlantic flight. It soothes me.
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But if in some instance it was necessary to run a red light, you could. In fact, you make the decision whether or not you will stop every time you come to a red light. It's still, in the end, your choice.
Not so with a vaccine.
Will you compensate those "fruitcakes" if they have an adverse reaction to the vaccine? Tell us smart-ass, what is the legal recourse for people who do? I bet you don't even know.
You don't think smallpox and polio vaccinations are a good thing? Ever see what smallpox does to a person?
Ever see what the smallpox vaccine does to a person when it goes wrong? It was on the pamphlet we read before I was forced to get it, while in the military.
No. I haven't.
However, the military wouldn't have given it to you unless they thought the benefits outweighed the risks.
Unless you think the military was actually making you take a mind-control drug or some such nonsense.
btw, did you ever get smallpox or have that side effect affect you?
The problem is one of choice shit-for-brains. If a person doesn't have the freedom to choose what goes into his/her body, then what's the fucking point?
I'm with you 100% on the choice thing and freedom.
Problem is that there is so much misinformation out there trying to persuade people to the wrong choice.
And then what about kids? They are the most vulnerable to decisions made by their parents. Like those that believe prayer will control diabetes instead of going to the doctor to get insulin.
How is this any different than ALL the other choices that parents make for their children? Some will make good choices for their children and some will make bad. If government always knows what's best for children, then why bother having parents?
I would think the purpose of govt, if there is one, is to assist in things that the masses can't generally do for themselves, such as make informed decisions on the latest in disease prevention.
Many people just go with whatever the latest Hollywood stars are doing and that should make everyone nervous.
Nature is cruel. Kids born to bad parents start out at a huge disadvantage. So now the question is, who takes care of them? Like orphans; do we go all Darwin and let them die or does society help out?
Depends on how much you think govt should be involved I guess.
The Government never puts out disinformation...
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ss123 -- fuck ya.
The purpose of government should be to be the least evil form of government possible. It should be to fill a power vacuum before other more evil forms of government come to power.
Vaccines are one of those questions where there is no good answer. Often, for a vaccine to be effective, herd immunity is needed. Otherwise, enough people will catch a disease for it to mutate enough to make the previously vaccinated people no longer immune. In the future, if we get a deadly virus and a vaccine is created that can make people immune to it, but it will be a permanent solution only if 95%+ of the population is vaccinated, what is the ethical answer on that one? (The government should quit fucking lying to people *today* to start the decades long process of rebuilding trust and, should such a day come, show the goods on the efficacy of the vaccine is the real answer.) You will find that there are conflicting ethics in that dilemma. It gets a bit less fuzzy when you are talking about a virus that the vaccine may or may not work for and that will probably have mutated enough for the vaccines a year or three ago to be ineffective.
"And then what about kids? They are the most vulnerable to decisions made by their parents."
exactly, ss123!
let people make their own choices, and nature will be the judge if they decided correctly.
people who make the wrong choice for their children will have a lower survival rate, and won't be passing along their faulty genes.
people who make the right choice will grow in number.
you don't even have to weigh in on the matter or worry about it, it will work itself out.
Yup.
I didn't vaccinate my kids. I figured that,, at the end of the day, if vaccines are effective and if vaccine-induced "herd immunity" actually exists, then my kids would benefit from it regardless of whether they were vaccinated themselves. Natural selection has no moral compass. If you don't like that, fuck you. Go ahead and risk fucking up your kids in the name of fair play, or something. My kids thank you.
My fairly extensive reading on the subject tells me there is likely no such thing as vaccine-induced herd immunity, and that the risk/benefit ratio for ALL the vaccines is skewed wildly towards drug company profits, so my kids come out ahead anyway.
Fucked if I know why any thinking parent would see it any other way. Considering your first duty is to protect your kids from harm.
Incidently, I think it's interesting that the two groups in society who don't vaccinate are the very poor (can't afford it) and the well-educated/wealthy (they know better). It's the sheeple who vaccinate. Go sheeple!
"However, the military wouldn't have given it to you unless they thought the benefits outweighed the risks."
Anybody who has ever been involved with the military can tell you this with 100% confidence: the military doesn't give a flying fuck about YOU. You are a sack of meat that will do what you are told to do, and if you die, who gives a fuck?
A-fucking-men to that.
didn't the polio vaccine kill one of the pioneers grandson, and disabled his grandaughter. medical experts, not.
Why the fuck are YOU on ZH? You clearly don't get the whole philosophy behind this blog. Fake immunity comes with a price, moron. Just like fake money. And fake news. And fake leaders, fake polls, fake "consensus" and fake science.
Jesus. These newbs and trolls are really stinking up the joint. We need a new site.
Newb? Been on this site for years and I've noticed more and more anti-science and silly 'cheap oil is bad' articles sliding through the last few months.
Good for click bait, but that's about all.
If cheap oil is so great for the economy then why does the stock market crash when oil prices crash?
Take your consensus bullshit science and shove it up Al Gore's ass. Only brainwashed dumbfucks think that buying carbon credits from Goldman Sachs will save the world.
Yeah, you're right. Let's not use science anymore and wear Chippendales outfits. :-/
Cheap oil is an indicator of a bad economy/low demand vs supply out there, just like any commodity pricing.
Cheap oil is good for getting things going again for those not in the oil industry, like cheap wheat is good for anyone eating bread, not making it. More people eat bread than make it.
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If cheap oil is great for the economy, then why were many fracking companies issuing junk bonds to finance their fracking operations when oil was around $100/bbl? Cheap oil *was* great for the economy, back when we could produce more than enough to satisfy general demand at a cheap price. Now, oil use is baked into the economy, and its production costs are going up. We either do with less oil than our lifestyle dictates, or we do with oil more expensive than our lifestyle can afford. The real answer is that we shoudl change our lifestyles and roll with the punches that come out of chaning to more localized economies.
The article above is science. Your paradigm is "scientistic", which means it copies the dissemination routes and jargon of science, just with the important sciency bits missing. It substitutes quotes from "Authorities" in place of physiological reasoning, and defers to fake studies bought and paid for by pharma as being objective external analysis, which is like referring to audits by your own in-house accountants as being somehow unbiased third party analysis. And the cracks in this fake reality are large enough to drive a car through. Just read the article again, and you might begin to understand why physicians are becoming less and less willing to toe the company line. We are tired of the sysiphean task of trying to reach real health by playing whack a mole with symptoms. We finally realize that anesthetized symptoms is not the same thing as health, any more than anesthetized volatility equals a healthy economy.
We don't want the GMO crops that your scientistic world view keeps spitting out. Or the nutritionally deficient "food" that comes from the artificial ecology produced by factory farming. Or the sad excuse for meat and eggs that your world view churns out in massive quantities, or the white liquid that only approximately resembles milk. Or at least did before you cooked it, which of course you have to do because it is so full of pus and bacteria that everyone would get sick if you didn't.
We don't want your fake version of education. We see that our children spend more and more time in school and are subjected to more and more homework and more and more indoctrination, and (who could possibly have predicted this) emerge from the factory education process dumber and dumber and more and more perpetually juvenile each successive generation.
We are tired of your fake "freedom", which we are promised is right around the corner, coming any day now, just as soon as we relinquish enough of our freedoms to get there. Because, you know, it's so logical that we can reach freedom by squashing freedom, right? Just like we can eliminate debt by the addition of more debt?
Your paradigm for how the world and reality works is bullshit. Its entire edifice rests on the supposition that process and substance are irrelevent, and that all that matters is perception.
There is a word for your world view. Its called "HYPOCRISY", and all civilizations reach the fork in the road where they have to choose between form and function. We here on this site believe that form necessarily follows function, because we realize that appearance is only reliable as an indicator when it hasn't been fucked with. So we choose substance over appearance, and willingly defer to the judgement of reality by letting appearance emerge organically, instead of trying to control reality by gaming the system and cheating by spending all of our efforts creating a shiny exterior that has exactly zero relevance to the actual stuff inside, which is what your approach really comes down to in the end. The lights are on and it's the next morning, the beer goggles of debt have been cast aside, and we realize that the gorgeous maiden we brought home from the bar has fake tits, a 5 o'clock shadow, and a big dick.
You guys follow the same paradigm as Bain and the other vulture capital groups that are busily hollowing out our country through the visual trickery of "Financialization", and you are actually trying to do a leveraged buyout of our country using promises that we ourselves will eventually have to make good on as a means of buying your way into power. You get us to promise to pay ourselves something and then take your unearned half out of the middle as a consultant fee. Just like Bain, you guys are in actuality nothing but parasites.
Racing to post first and trying to steer the masses through manipulation of threads won't work on this site. We see what you are doing. Go away and stop bothering us.
Fucking awesome post.
The above article does have some cases where it is at least implied that correlation equals causation. This is fairly common in the medical industry, however. This is partially due to the nature of ethics and what kinds of research the medical industry can do, i.e. we can expirement on rats and not people when the experiment is likely to be lethal, and then on top of that, a lot of medical researchers don't really understand statistics and the methodology required. A lot of medical findings turn out to be wrong over time. That's not to say that medicine is ineffictive, as it is not. It is just that you should always be skeptical of the latest and greatest medical ideas.
Medicine is ready to move beyond the simple and superficial, because the people are ready to move beyond the simple and superficial. The old paradigm is that eating fat makes you fat, just like the old paradigm is that printing money makes a country wealthy. Both are simple and wrong because they don't take into account the actual physiology at play.
A deeper awareness of physiology reveals that eating a decent amount of fat is vital: it stimulates the gall bladder to flood the small intestine with bile, thus simultaneously keeping the proximal small intestine free of bacteria as well as shedding stones from the gall bladder while they are small enough to fit through the bile ducts. it satiates appetite longer than carbs, leading to lower overall caloric intake despite fat being a more concentrated store of energy. It allows absorption of vital fat soluble vitamins like vitamin D, which when combined with sun exposure produces sulfated vitamin D3, which cannot be obtained through oral supplements. And, it allows the proper maintenance of the cell membranes that are made of fat, thus reducing cellular leakage of ions and thus improving cellular health. One would think that the presence of a delicate organ specifically designed to aid fat absorption (the gall bladder) would clue us in to the vital importance of adequate fat intake, but fad science and quackery are are irresistable to humans.
Similarly, Economics has its own version of physiology, called praxeology. An awareness of the more complicated functioning of an economy reveals that printing money actually destroys wealth because the only choices that money printing is capable of stimulating is mal-investment. Thus the limitation on monetary expansion that commodity money enforces is a blessing, not a curse, as it reduces the flow of money towards the quack and fad projects that constantly spring into the minds of politicians, while acting as a brake on the ability of countries to go to war willy nilly.
The people are ready to be smarter. They are ready to see a bigger and therefore more complicated picture. They are ready to grow beyond the Disney version of the world that the politicians keep trying to force down our throats. The only ones that accept that world now are those that are too intellectually simple to be capable of seeing the larger picture. Unfortunately, these folks are also in the majority, and there are too few of us to keep them from determinedly steering us onto the rocks. Thus our job is to be ready to pick up the pieces and form a more reslient and healthier society once the current paradigm completes its destruction of our current one, and hopefully help this happen without violence.
Yet your here reading it, welcome to the club nut job.
Yeah, I come here for the kicks.
You come here in between sucking Janet Yellen's cock.
more fuck you ss123, fuck you too.
I'm just going to lay this out there.... do you think it's conincidence this became an issue shortly after we allowed hundreds of thousands of illegal immigant children (with unknown medical histories) across our southern border and promptly shipped them, without warning or notice to various undisclosed locations throughout the United States?
Perhaps. But there is also the issue of our government-supported/run healthcare of which Big Pharma is a large part.
suitbu, if all these vaccinations were just now being forced upon us as the great savior of health I'd be the first to tell the government to shove that vaccination needle straight up their own ass. I DO NOT TUST THE GOVERNMENT AS FAR AS I CAN THOW THEM. But the VAST majority of these vaccination campaigns go back to a time well before when the federal government got involved in them.
If I have a concern about "big pharma" it's more because I think they don't want cheap, effective vaccination programs to exist so they can sell hideously expensive drugs to treat the symptoms of a disease that nobody should have gotten in the first place.
"I think they don't want cheap, effective vaccination programs to exist"
And no responsibility when something goes wrong of course.
I agree with you except that vaccination prior to school attendance has been the norm for a couple of generations. That is one way to force the vaccine.
I'm just going to lay this out there.... do you think it's conincidence this became an issue shortly after we allowed hundreds of thousands of illegal immigant children (with unknown medical histories) across our southern border and promptly shipped them, without warning or notice to various undisclosed locations throughout the United States?
Absolutely spot on, NoDebt.
"I'm just going to lay this out there.... do you think it's conincidence this became an issue shortly after we allowed hundreds of thousands of illegal immigant children (with unknown medical histories) across our southern border and promptly shipped them, without warning or notice to various undisclosed locations throughout the United States?"
Exactly...been to Disneyland lately? It's like a walk down Avenida Revolución in Tijuana, Baja California.
Oh mon frer, you are assuming the vaccine is designed to help or cure anything.
And the more that get the vaccine, the more that will experience potentially fatal side effects.
Here's everything you need to know about vaccines: by federal law, pharmaceutical companies are shielded from liability for all vaccines.
That should tell you right there, that you are rolling loaded dice every time you take a shot.
Yeah, we can all think that "god-saint" ronald reagon for that one.