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Guest Post: How Vaccine Hysteria Could Spark A Totalitarian Nightmare

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Authored by Lee Hieb, M.D., originally published at World Net Daily, via Alt-Market blog,

Gov. Chris Christie has been vilified for making a very simple statement – that parents (and presumably patients themselves) should have the freedom to choose whether to vaccinate their children. I have been asked for years what I thought about vaccination, so let me lay out the issues.

Before getting into the science, lets discuss the philosophy:

1. The voices shrieking to forcibly vaccinate people are the same voices shrieking to support a woman’s right to choose abortion under Roe v. Wade. If a woman’s body is sacrosanct, if she has the right to choose to deliver a child or not, if she has total authority over her body, how can she not have the right to accept or refuse a vaccination?

 

2. Medical ethics are clear: No one should be forced to undergo a medical treatment without informed consent and without their agreement to the treatment. We condemn the forced sterilization of the ’20s and ’30s, the Tuskegee medical experiments infecting black inmates and the Nazi medicine that included involuntary “Euthanasia,” experimentation and sterilization. How can we force vaccination without consent? Vaccination is a medical treatment with risks including death. It is totally antithetical to all ethics in medicine to mandate that risk to others.

 

3. Science is never “concluded.” Mr. Obama and other ideologues may think the truth is finalized (“The science is indisputable”), but the reality is our understanding of disease and treatment are constantly being updated. Just like Newton’s mechanical paradigm of the universe was supplanted by Einsteinian physics, and physicists today modify that view, medical “truth” is not the truth for long. In an attempt to quantify change in medicine, years ago a cardiology journal discussed “The Half-life of Truth.” cardiologists looked back in their journal at 20-year-old articles to see how much of what was believed then was still believed to be true. The answer? 50 percent. So in cardiology, at least – and in all of medicine to greater or lesser degree – only half of what we believe now will still be true in 20 or so years. The last word on vaccination is not in. It hasn’t even begun to be written.

 

4. If you believe absolutely in the benefit and protective value of vaccination, why does it matter what others do? Or don’t do? If you believe you need vaccination to be healthy and protected, then by all means vaccinate your child and yourself. Why should you even be concerned what your neighbor chooses to do for his child – if vaccination works? The idea of herd immunity is still based on the idea that in individual cases vaccines actually are protective.

 

5. If you think the government has the right to forcibly vaccinate people – for the good of society – what is to prevent them from forcibly sterilizing people, or forcibly euthanizing people, or forcibly implanting a tracking device – for the good of society? You make think those examples are extreme (although two-thirds have happened), but the principle is the same. You are allowing government to have ultimate authority over your body.

So, I’ve been asked, “Why not vaccinate your children? Why not take the influenza vaccine?” Well, I believe the choice is up to you. I’ve covered my thinking about the influenza vaccine in an article in the Journal of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, available online, but here are some facts about childhood vaccines that make me think twice about their use. I traced these points back to the source, so these are not blindly reprinted from hearsay Internet articles. In some cases I found public references to be wrong but the data to be correct when I got to the source. Much of this comes from government reporting. Anyone can research disease incidence by reading MMWR (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report) from the CDC and accessing the search engine for VAERS (Vaccine complication reporting site) at http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php.

1. Since 2005 (and even before that), there have been no deaths in the U.S. from measles, but there have been 86 deaths from MMR vaccine – 68 of them in children under 3 years old. And there were nearly 2,000 disabled.

 

2. In countries which use BCG vaccinations against tuberculosis, the incidence of Type I diabetes in children under 14 is nearly double. (“Infectious Disease in Clinical Practice” no. 6 pages 449-454, 1997)

 

3. As reported in Lancet in 1995, inflammatory bowel disease (i.e. Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis) is 13 times more prevalent in persons vaccinated for measles.

 

4. In a nested case-control study within the General Practice Research Database (GPRD) in the United Kingdom, patients who had a first MS (Multiple Sclerosis) diagnosis recorded were compared with controls. The authors concluded that immunization with the recombinant hepatitis B vaccine is associated with a threefold increased risk of developing MS (Hernan et al., 2004). No increased risk of MS was associated with other vaccines, which included tetanus and influenza vaccinations.

 

5. In 1982 William Torch, a prolific researcher and publisher on Neurologic topics, presented a paper (later published) at the American Academy of Neurology reviewing SIDS deaths. He reported that in 100 consecutive cases, 70 percent of SIDS deaths occurred within three weeks of pertussis vaccination. In very convincing confirmation, a Japanese prefecture stopped vaccinating after associating SIDS with the pertussis vaccine. It is worth reading the entire description from Viera Scheibner, PhD:

 

In 1975, about 37 Crib Sudden Deaths were linked to vaccination in Japan. Doctors in one prefecture boycotted vaccinations, and refused to vaccinate. The Japanese government paid attention and stopped vaccinating children below the age of 2 years. When immunization was delayed until a child was 24 months of age, Sudden Infant Death cases and claims for vaccine related deaths disappeared. Japan zoomed from a high 17th place in infant mortality rate to the lowest infant mortality rate in the world when they stopped vaccinating. Japan didn’t vaccinate any children below the age of 2 years between 1975 and 1988, for 13 years. But then in 1988, Japanese parents were given the choice to start vaccinating anywhere between 3 months and 48 months. The Ministry study group studied 2,720 SIDS cases occurring between 1980 and 1992 and they established that their very low SIDS rate quadrupled.

 

6. A mail survey was done of 635 children in the Netherlands in 2004. German measles and whooping cough (pertussis) were twice as common in unvaccinated children. However, throat inflammations, ear infections, rheumatologic complaints, seizures and febrile convulsions were much more common in the vaccinated group. Aggressive behavioral episodes were eight times more frequent in vaccinated children, and sleep disordered more often. Tonsils were removed in 33 percent of children who had been vaccinated vs. 7.3 percent unvaccinated.

 

7. In 1947, the first reports of brain inflammation and chronic brain damage, including death, after pertussis vaccination began to be published (Brody, 1947; Byers and Moll, 1948, Low, 1955, Berg, 1958; Strom, 1960, 1967; Dick, 1967, 1974; Kuhlenkampff, 1974; Stewart, 1977, 1979). But it took more than 40 years of collective evidence before academic medicine decided it was true –1981 National Childhood Encephalopathy Study (NCES) and in 1991 and 1994 by the Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences.

 

In 1991, after reviewing vaccine safety, the Institute of Medicine admitted, “In the course of its review, the committee encountered many gaps and limitations in knowledge bearing directly or indirectly on the safety of vaccines. These include inadequate understanding of the biologic mechanisms underlying adverse events following natural infection or immunization, insufficient or inconsistent information from case reports and case series, inadequate size or length of followup of many population based epidemiologic studies [and] few experimental studies published in relation to the number of epidemiologic studies published.”

 

So the next question is: Does vaccination work? Does it really protect you against disease? The answer is variable. Smallpox vaccine seems to be nearly universally protective against the very fatal disease of smallpox, and use of vaccine led to the eradication of the disease in the wild. But the dirty little secret in recent outbreaks of mumps, measles and pertussis is – they are occurring in vaccinated people in highly vaccinated populations!

In 2006 an epidemic of mumps broke out in my state of Iowa. Ultimately, 11 states reported 2,597 cases of mumps. The majority of mumps cases (1,487) were reported from Iowa. As reported in “Mumps Epidemic – Iowa, 2006,” “Despite control efforts and a highly vaccinated population, this epidemic has spread across Iowa and potentially to neighboring states.” According to the CDC, “During the prevaccine era, nearly everyone in the United States experienced mumps, and 90 percent of cases occurred among children, although 97 percent of children entering school in Iowa had received two doses of MMR vaccine. ” Of note, this outbreak mostly occurred in young adults of college age who had received the vaccine. Only 6 percent of those affected were known to be unvaccinated, 12 percent received one dose of MMR vaccine, 51 percent had two doses of MMR vaccine, and 31 percent (mostly adults) were not sure of their immunization history.

In 2008-2009, Australia had epidemics of whooping cough and measles. Health authorities there must reveal the vaccination status of children in epidemics. Eighty-four percent of Australian children who got whooping cough were fully vaccinated, and 78 percent who got measles had record of measles vaccination.

In the 2010 outbreak of whooping cough in California, well over half the victims were fully vaccinated.

Whooping cough continuously declined in the U.S. from over 100,000 cases in 1922 to around 1978 when 2,063 cases were reported. That year, pertussis vaccine became mandated for school attendance. Beginning around 1995, when the U.S. had 5,137 cases, the incidence has increased, to 2012 when over 48,000 cases were reported, including 20 deaths. The majority of deaths were in newborns under three months of age. Why is this happening? It is not because people are not becoming vaccinated. The CDC says more than 84 percent of children under 3 years old have been vaccinated with four doses of pertussis vaccine. But the current vaccine does not include all strains of pertussis. And the most vulnerable to the disease – the small infants – are not able to take the vaccine. Since older children and adults are much less likely to die of whooping cough, the question that must be asked is this: Is vaccination effective in producing antibody transfer from mother to infant? Or is it better to allow the natural disease to occur?

Finally, it turns out that death and disability from many childhood diseases is preventable by means other than vaccination. Vitamin A has been known since the 1930s to reduce mortality from measles by 60 percent. Vitamin D is protective against viral illness. And numerous authors and studies have shown the damaging effects of chemical antipyretics (fever lowering drugs) on the natural course of disease – a practice still sadly in widespread use in America. Better understanding of disease mechanisms, utilizing nutritional support and better scientific care of the sick child are safer alternatives to widespread vaccination.

Perhaps one of the best perspectives on the whole vaccination paradigm is provided by Dr. Harold Buttram, M.D., FAACP:

As one of today’s senior citizens who grew up in a Midwestern state in the 1930s, and as a doctor who has treated many children, I may have a special vantage point of time and experience in regard to the changes that have taken place in the health of America’s children since the relatively innocent times of the 1930s. At summer camps in the New Mexico Mountains that I was fortunate to attend, no boy had allergies, none was on medication, and no boy was ever sick with the common ailments of today. It was much the same in schools. I don’t recall ever seeing a child with easily recognized behaviors now described as hyperactivity (ADHD) or autism.

 

Today in stark contrast, approximately one-third of our youngsters are afflicted with the 4-A Disorders (Autism, ADHD, Asthma, and Allergies), as described and documented by Dr. Kenneth Bock. School budgets are being strained to the breaking points in providing special education classes for autistic and learning disabled children. Allergy problems are proliferating, as indicated by long lines of children at school nursing stations for their noontime medications.

 

Could today’s infant and childhood vaccine programs, with their steadily increasing numbers of vaccines, be a contributory cause of this ominous health trend? As reflected in the U.S. Congressional Hearings (1999 to December 2004) on issues of vaccine safety, in which major deficiencies in vaccine safety testing were disclosed, it is a real possibility that vaccines may be one of the major, if not the major cause of this trend.

I, too, am old enough to remember these times. We are changing the pattern of disease, but not necessarily making our children nor ourselves healthier. We are converting benign childhood disease into more severe adult disease. Consider the chickenpox vaccine. We used to have chickenpox parties where small children were purposely exposed to kids sick with chickenpox. In those days, every mother or grandmother knew it was safer for toddlers to get the disease early and not wait until teenage years. Now we vaccinate, but of course that vaccine is only effective for 15-20 years, so now adults must constantly be revaccinated or run the risk of getting a life-threatening severe form of chickenpox. The shingles uptick is directly attributable to the lack of re-exposure of older people to the wild chickpox virus. But not to worry – the drug companies can sell us a shingles vaccine for a disease their previous vaccine created.

We have forgotten that for most normal children, childhood diseases are benign. As recounted about mumps in the Iowa Department of Public Health Manual, “it is more common in infants, children and young adults. Of people who are not immunized, >85 percent will have mumps by adulthood, but symptoms may have been mild and therefore not recognized.”

At the end of the day, the issue here is one of freedom, and freedom is the freedom to choose – even if we make a bad choice. The argument that I must vaccinate my children for the good of the community is not only scientifically questionable, it is an unethical precept. It is the argument all dictators and totalitarians have used. “Comrade, you must work tirelessly for the good of the collective. You must give up your money and property for the good of the collective, and now … you must allow us to inject your children with what we deem is good for the collective.” If American’s don’t stand up against this, then we are lost. Because we have lost ownership of ourselves. Our bodies are no longer solely ours – we and our children are able to be commandeered for the “greater good.”

 

 

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Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:23 | 5756062 Grouchy Marx
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Best example of a non sequitur I've read in a long time. 

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 11:38 | 5755508 samsara
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Boy,  the trolls are out in force on this one. Wonder if they get weekend pay?

Anyways, being older than most here,  I had both kinds of measles when I was a kid.  Had the Chicken Pox too. (missed the mumps).  

Nearly everyone I grew up with had them too.  Out of school for a few days.  It was something you went thru being a kid.  EVERYBODY did.  

Afterwards we felt good cause 'We couldn't catch them again'

I did get the polio vaccine,  got the O on my arm to prove it.  THAT was worth getting the shot. 

My daughter got the measles, we had her kiss her sister so both would have them at the same time and get it out of the way.  That was a common practice.

Did some kids die from it?  I guess so,  no one we ever heard of.  A lot fewer than get killed in a car crash, or falling off their bike.    But I wouldn't stop having my kids as passengers in a car or not buy them a bike because 1 in a million get killed.

But I DON'T think the government let alone the Gov. that is owned by Big Pharma/Monsanto can tell me I MUST have my kids get a shot for measles any more than they don't have the right to say my kid can't ride a bike because statistically 1 in a million will die from riding it.

If your kid gets the shot,  then I guess they can't catch it from mine that didn't now can they?  So what are you bitching about?

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 11:45 | 5755523 Lostinfortwalton
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Because your kid's measles can morph into a strain that will be virulent to other children who have has the shots. If your kid was vaccinated he would not have developed the disease in the first place, much less been the source of a mutation.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 11:48 | 5755527 samsara
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A. bullshit.  

B. Then I guess your kid isn't safe no matter what,  with or without the vaccine then huh?

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:09 | 5755575 Accounting101
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No, he's absolutely correct. Unchecked, these strains will mutate. That's simple science.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:44 | 5755654 samsara
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I guess game up, because the disease will never be "Checked"

(and don't give me "Ya because of guys like you"  It's nature.  Viruses mutate.)

 

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 13:30 | 5755761 Accounting101
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Bullshit! Most of these diseases have been all but eradicated. Measles can't mutate if there are no hosts with measles in which to mutate in. Your child didn't get measles because all the children around her were vaccinated against measles.

Look, I don't care what you do or don't you. All I know is that the result of your actions better start and end with you.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:20 | 5756051 jomama
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First off, many of the things that kids in the US are vaccinated against they will never be exposed to.

Second, sanitation and higher standards of living have played no small role in the quelling of these diseases.

From the MMR vaccine, 1/6 kids gets a fever, 1/20 gets a rash and 1/75 gets swelling of glands. These are signs something is going on, at very best a strong building of immunity. When I saw a small and albeit sketchy study showing contamination of 15% of vaccines (at a medical conference on infectious disease not online) it kind of freaked me out a little. I mean really how contaminated can a vaccine be if they need straight up MERCURY to ameliorate it (which breaks down cell walls and makes cells more susceptible to contamination and infection). You see that contamination is intracellular - a big topic at the conference so it was pretty clear in my mind what that means. Insidious, debilitating, difficult to find, never thought of, causes that can come from anywhere, like the factory farms we all get food and livestock from. But also vaccines, and maybe it can transmit to others in proximity. This is a mechanism that has not been studied. Later the IOM vaccine study confirmed this for me, it's a known risk and as the IOM points out, this is a known potential mechanism for autoimmune disease. This is much scarier than measles and is skyrocketing at an exponential rate. Of course it has to do with many factors but it doesn't mean we should act as if vaccines do nothing and have no potential for harm.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/mmr.html#risks

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 16:43 | 5756297 Abaco
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Bullshit.  Measles was ptractically irradicated before the damn vaccine. It is not practically eradicated in other parts of the world.  So before you start trying to tell me how to live my life you can argue for closing the damn border to people who haven't been scfreedn for diseases. Or just fuck yourself.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:27 | 5756075 Grouchy Marx
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And when checked, they will also mutate. Just sayin. 

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:42 | 5755646 samsara
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So, let me get this staight.

I didn't get a vaccine, and I got the measles when I was a kid and can't get them again,

But you GOT the vaccine, but it won't work on next year's model and you need another shot for the new mutated strain.?

Ya sounds like you got the better deal.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:17 | 5756039 jomama
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You don't have the slightest clue about viruses and antigens.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:03 | 5755561 Accounting101
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I am all for freedom of choice too. If someone wants to be stupid, that is their burden to bear. Unfortunately, we don't exist in a vacuum and almost always, your actions affect those around you. So yes, you have freedom to do whatever the hell you want, but the consequences of that act better stop at the tip of your nose.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:20 | 5756050 Grouchy Marx
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And if they don't stop there, or even if we *just suspect* they don't stop there, we will force you to comply, with penalty of jail time, punitive fines, or by hauling your children away. 

Damn Nazis.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 20:56 | 5757053 Accounting101
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Your accountable for you actions. Don't run around with a hard on for freedom if you can't handle the responsibility that goes with it. The rest of us are not just objects in a room, and you are not allowed to fuck things up for the rest of us.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 16:49 | 5756321 Abaco
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You have warmly embraced the freedom to be stupid.  Take a walk on the wild side and try being informed.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 20:50 | 5757042 Accounting101
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Fuck you! If your actions effect others, stop. You are allowed to screw up your life, not the lives of others.

Sun, 02/08/2015 - 05:37 | 5757870 FerretBrain
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Cut the vitriol, and get a grip!  Take a deep breath and start by putting the emotions on hold long enough to allow some actual DATA into your brain.  You might learn something -- like the precious vaccines you think are so valuable are little more than a placebo!

http://truth11.com/2012/11/08/real-history-vaccines-not-responsible-for-...

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 11:50 | 5755531 Chuck Knoblauch
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What causes Autism?

Answer: We don't know, but it has nothing to do with vaccinations.

What cause Cancer?

Answer: Bad luck, sorry.

This is 21st century medicine for the expendable population.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 11:55 | 5755540 g speed
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Once again its a gov't program that is at it's core a religious belief. The high priests of the temple of medicine disclose selected truths only avalible to those who have access to the inner sanctum. Truth that is unknowable by the masses and that is only intrusted to the higest of the high. Have faith??

I got a truth for you---cancer is up--duh

 www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=do%...

Do a little reading and know this truth---the use of gov't to control and even maim and kill with intent is the purview of the overlords whom ever they may be. (you deside). Faith in gov't,  Statism, (an Ann Rand lexicon) is the religion. Its a false religion and you will die if you believe. 

To be for a gov't program is to be pro death--to be anti gov't program is pro life----Go ahead, you pick the gov't, but it doesn't matter cause if you believe then they own your life and they will take it. 

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 11:56 | 5755543 Silver Bullet
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Well this settles it.......Zero Hedge has finally hit bottom.

Wow, there appears to be around a 5 to 1 split in favor of NOT vaccinating your kids!

Man, I knew the iq of this place was falling, but I was WAY off. It's way worse than I thought.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:13 | 5756023 L Bean
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<<< 5 who've done their research.

<<< 1 who's watched Mourning Joe.

 

Pretty fucking encouraging if you ask me.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:14 | 5756027 Grouchy Marx
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In a similar vein, the government assures us that GMO crops and the use of agricultural herbicides related to agent orange are perfectly safe. The science is settled. Don't bother reading dissenting views or studies. Don't question. Don't be a Neanderthal, or worse yet, an independent thinker.

Never question authority, especially when they wear white lab coats.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 11:56 | 5755545 Expat
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According to the WHO, measles vaccinations prevented 15.6 million deaths worldwide between 2000 and 2013.  But, hey, more Big Government Liars who want to take over your lives.

For God's sake, America!  Would you kindly remove your head from your anus and join the human race?  Ignorance, violence, racism, fascism, and blind allegiance to your country, religion and political party are poor tools for participating in the human experience.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 16:51 | 5756332 Abaco
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According to WHO? well that settles it! Who said what?

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:07 | 5755568 Shitgum Suicide
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Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:16 | 5755569 Shitgum Suicide
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Former HHS sec Kathleen Sebelius told a 10 yr old girl who needed a lung transplant that "someone lives and someone dies" when she refused to waive the age requirement for receiving an adult lung.

The one making the choice the real debate in all of this. When precident is set government will, and you know they will, find every reason to use their authority in one area to use it in another.

BTW- that bitch sebelius can go FOAD for her cold callus response. Has a cunt colder than an icebox. Ha I didn't realize the pun until I finished the sentence.

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/sebelius-wont-waive-regulation-for-girl-...

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:32 | 5755624 kanoli
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I think it would be very interesting to see a 40 year study comparing vaccinated children to unvaccinated children across a wide array of illness and health indicators.  Have any such studies been published?

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:10 | 5756012 L Bean
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Have any such studies been published?

 

LOLL

Sun, 02/08/2015 - 05:30 | 5757862 FerretBrain
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Such a study would be trivially simple to do as unvaccinated populations are easily found for study -- try the Amish for example.  But the CDC and IOM stubbornly insist that it would be practically and logistically impossible to find a respresentative sample of unvaccinated children from which to build an acceptable study.  Now why do YOU think such a transparent lie continues to be told over and over and over?

By the way, Dan Olmstead (an investigative journalist looking specifically into the originsa and causes of autism) wrote an interesting series of articles focused on the Amish, the fact that large groups of them still eschew vaccination and the corresponding fact that these communities have shockingly low rates of autism compared to the rest of the population in North America.

http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/e.4.pdf

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:37 | 5755626 Laddie
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The fact of the matter is that Obongo IMPORTED diseases into America. Ebola, the new polio-like disease Enterovirus 68, measle carriers, MDR TB, and so many others such as CHAGAS, literally perhaps a hundred new diseases into our homeland.

I've read news accounts of the E-68 and the toll, White children have died and in one particularly moving report a little White boy with his sobbing parents beside him is now paralyzed for LIFE due to Obongo's spreading the Summer of 2014 invaders from Central America around the US into White areas especially.

And they blame the upscale parents for all of this, well let me tell you that the 3rd world hordes now infesting America DO NOT adhere to "inoculation" routines nor basic matters of hygiene as you can see in the almost constant recall of food contaminated with ecoli from 3rd world worker FECES.

And all of these OUTRAGES against the White founding group of this nation is met with NO RESISTANCE!! Whilst Whites grovel and apologize and try to be compliant with the goals of the Enemy.

And what about us? How much longer will we tolerate this MURDEROUS war against us?

"For if we cannot stand on our native soil and call it our own, we shall not have anywhere to stand at all."
White man, think again! by Anthony Jacob, Johannesburg 1965

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:40 | 5755631 spooz
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Looking at the up and down arrows here has confirmed my conviction to never overestimate the intelligence of the average ZH commenter. The upside is, I doubt many of them have children that will be put at risk by not getting vaccinated for measles. Mothers will usually take the advice of their pediatricians over a father who has made his lack of intelligence quite clear.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 13:08 | 5755718 Rock On Roger
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It is good you're so smart, eh?

Life is a risk and each person has a different tolerance to those risks.

Who are you to say what others must do?

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:36 | 5755633 kanoli
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I find it interesting that the pro-forced-vaccine crowd argue mainly with ad hominum "anyone against vaccinces is stupid" type of arguments.  The anti-vaccine crowd tend to argue with charts and data.  What does that say about IQ of one side versus the other?

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:43 | 5755648 spooz
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I see charts and data from the World Health Organization and the Center for Disease Control that support measles vaccines.  Any chart the anti-vaccine fools have comes from questionable sources.  Here's a chart for ya, fool:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/22/the-devastati...

What have YOU got?

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:58 | 5755696 Silver Bullet
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To answer your question, he's got nothing. He's a moron who says moronic things.

Im just waiting for the post on how the moon landing was faked and how Neil Armstrong was actually a "crisis actor".

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:02 | 5755980 Grouchy Marx
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I think he has all the data cited in the above article. 

May I encourage you to read it. 

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 16:58 | 5756353 Abaco
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Well that chart just gave me a big case of the chuckles! What has happened in the last few months is completely irrelevant. You need to go back and look at the rate of measles from say 1943 to now as well as the rate of death and rate of vaccination.  That will show you indisputably that the vacine had a negligible effecg on measles mortality. Dipshit retards like you act as if a case of the measles is such a devastating thing to be fought against no matter the price. It was a common childhood disease, not particularly threatening, which conferred lifetime immunity.  Now we spend millions on vaccines that wear off at an undetermined rate and with concealed side-effects.  Putting up a chart does not make your irrational argument rational.  Try putting up a chart that is germane to the question.

Sun, 02/08/2015 - 05:14 | 5757848 FerretBrain
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Try this on for size smartass!  This derives directly from government data showing that measles vaccine had no impact on the eradication of measles.

http://truth11.com/2012/11/08/real-history-vaccines-not-responsible-for-...

Ditto for Pertussis and it's worth reading the verbiage under the last of the charts for some informative data related to diptheria and typhoid.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 16:13 | 5755678 gatorboat
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These "rights" arguments are humorous and meaningless.  Only 1% of Americans believe in rights anymore.  Govt  has been very successful getting it down to 1%. 

How did they do it?  One word: Fairness.  The fairness argument.  Fairness should trump rights.  99% of Americans believe it.  And when you get 99% agreement the other 1% don't have a chance.  So the "rights" argument is dead for all practical purposes.

Welcome to communism.   And fascism.   And mob rule.  And totalitarianism.   And tyranny.  All five have fairness as their central theme.

The time will come when you cannot refuse a vaccine.  It's inevitable.  

We're already at the point where your children can be taken away if you refuse vaccines for them.

Stop living in the past.  Stop denying reality.  We don't have rights anymore.  They're gone. 

Fairness rules now.  Open your eyes and see it.  It's all around you.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 12:57 | 5755693 davidnv
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Part of the dumbing down of the culture has been the methodical endoctrination that our health is best left to so called 'experts'. Finally, there are increasing signs of a cultural vector away from that paradigm, a growing movement awakening to the reasonableness of taking more control of personal health-related decisions.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 13:12 | 5755728 Lostinfortwalton
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Well, the experts say that an unvaccinated child can be easily infected by contact with a person from another country that was not vaccinated and has the disease - as in illegal aliens with the disease coming across the border. So basically Obama's non-enforcement of our borders is most likely the cause of the latest outbreaks. And you want to play into Obama's hands by not protecting your kids with vaccinations?

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 13:16 | 5755738 dsty
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As they say at the carnival

you'se pays you'se money and you's takes you'se chances

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 13:36 | 5755778 Rikeska
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I signed a personal objection form for my boy's vaccination.

Then I got him vaccinated.

I don't object to the procedure, I object to the state telling me how to care for my child.

 

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 13:38 | 5755779 Shitgum Suicide
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People like johnathan gruber think that you're too stupid to go along with their brilliant healthcare plan that they had to lie to you about it in order to FORCE IT UPON YOU.

When proven safe yes people should be vaccinated. But taking the governments word for it is an exercise in folly.

If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Remember? Remember. Remember!

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 13:40 | 5755784 sam site
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Vaccines are supposed to protect us against allegedly - disease producing bacteria and viruses. 

From the the famous debate

Louis Pasteur Vs Antoine Béchamp and The Germ Theory of Disease Causation

We do not catch diseases. We build them.

We have to eat, drink, think, and feel them into existence. We work hard at developing our diseases. We must work just as hard at restoring health.  

 

The presence of germs does not constitute the presence of a disease. Bacteria are scavengers of nature...they reduce dead tissue to its smallest element. Germs or bacteria have no influence, whatsoever, on live cells.

Germs or microbes flourish as scavengers at the site of disease. They are just living on the unprocessed metabolic waste and diseased, malnourished, nonresistant tissue in the first place.  

They are not the cause of the disease, any more than flies and maggots cause garbage

 

Traditional Western medicine teaches and practices the doctrines of French chemist Louis Pasteur (1822-1895). Pasteur's main theory is known as the  

Germ Theory Of Disease. It claims that fixed species of microbes from an external source invade the body and are the first cause of infectious disease.

The concept of specific, unchanging types of bacteria causing specific diseases became officially accepted as the foundation of allopathic Western medicine and microbiology in late 19th century Europe.

Also called monomorphism,(one-form), it was adopted by America's medical/industrial complex, which began to take shape near the turn of the century. This cartel became organized around the American Medical Association, formed by drug interests for the purpose of manipulating the legal system to destroy the homeopathic medical profession.

Controlled by pharmaceutical companies, the complex has become a trillion-dollar-a-year business. It also includes many insurance companies, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), hospitals, and university research facilities.  

The microbian doctrine gave birth to the technique of vaccination that was blindly begun in 1796 by Edward Jenner. Jenner took pus from the running sores of sick cows and injected it into the blood of his "patients." Thus was born a vile practice (immunization/vaccination) whose nature has changed little to this day, and whose understanding is still clouded by Pasteur's theory.

This also gave birth to the development of antibiotics, the first being penicillin in 1940. An antibiotic is the poisonous waste from one germ used in the attempt to kill another. Penicillin is the poison from a fungus. This has created the proliferation of aggressive and stubborn forms of resistant strains that haunt us today.

Antoine Béchamp believed in Biological Terrain

A healthy or diseased biological terrain is determined primarily by four things: its acid/alkaline balance (pH); its electric/magnetic charge (negative or positive); its level of poisoning (toxicity); and its nutritional status.

One critical symptom of diseased terrain is low oxygen. Another is a stoppage of movement or stagnation in the colloidal body fluids between cells.

Still another is loss of electrical charge on the surface of red blood cells. This contributes to a condition called rouleau, sometimes called "sticky blood."

Within a cell's wall, all the chemicals and components acting together make up life. Nothing within the cell is believed to be alive of itself. But, when you look at live blood, you can observe that microorganisms undergo an exact, scientifically verifiable cycle of change in their form.

As profound as the change of a caterpillar to a butterfly, this evolution is even more fantastic, since it can happen quite rapidly (sometimes in a matter of minutes!). There are no enemies or specific diseases to fight. There is only the consequence of balance or imbalance.

The universe seems to operate by keeping opposites in balance. When things get out of balance, a sign usually appears to make it known. Health is balance in the system. If you want to see a rough comparison of what's happening in a sick body, try not cleaning your house for about a year.

In that environment, all kinds of small "guests" will come out of nowhere to take up residence with you. Similarly, the stresses of our wrong eating habits and way of life "dirty up" our inner environment.

Our terrain becomes overly acidic (pH imbalance)--paving the way for unwanted guests. In this unbalanced environment, morbid bacteria can issue from our own cells. These tiny life forms can rapidly change their form and function.

bacteria are scavengers of nature and being essentially bags of enzymes, alter their shape and enzyme production for the purpose of dissolving to its smallest element whatever dead tissue is present.

What most people call a "disease" is really a symptom or a collection of symptoms. For example, cancer tumors are symptoms, which is why trying to fight them has resulted in the epidemic we have today.

What people commonly think of as causes of disease, are symptoms. In this category are bacteria, yeast, and their descendants. When germs are involved in illness, they are producing, or influencing the body to produce, secondary symptoms. In orthodox medicine, these secondary symptoms are thought of as the disease. The answer though, lies in the condition of your terrain.

Is it in balance? Or will it support the development of unwanted guests? Once it gets going, the imbalance becomes a vicious circle. In pH imbalance, body tissues are on the acid side. The acid condition is promoted by a number of things, the main ones being food types and poor digestion.

In poor digestion, food is either fermenting or putrefying. In the early stages of the imbalance, the outer symptoms may not be very intense and are frequently treated (manipulated) with drugs. They include such things as: skin eruptions, headaches, allergies, colds and flu, and sinus problems.

As things get further out of balance, more serious conditions arise. Weakened glands, organs and systems start to give way--thyroid, adrenals, the liver, etc

Unfortunately, symptom manipulation plays a major role in creating worse symptoms later. But most people don't consider or realize this when they go for the quick medical fix. Even most doctors are not aware, or aren't telling.

The medical/militaristic approach is a substitution of artificial therapy over natural, of poisons over food, in which we are feeding people poisons (drugs), trying to correct (attack) the reactions of starvation.

Lack of understanding creates fear, but when we understand that both health and disease are created by our own living and eating habits, then there is no longer any fear of "germs."

Pasteur (1822-1895) and Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915) jointly gave to the civilized world the disease theory doctrines of microbiology and immunology before vitamins, trace elements, and other nutrients had even been discovered.

From their efforts and dubious discoveries, vaccines became vogue and were embraced by leading medical scientists--those longing for a sound and simple explanation for the inexplicable.

What makes the germ theory so dangerous is that it seems so obviously true. But it is true only secondarily. Bechamp said "There is no doctrine so false that it does not contain some particle of truth

Béchamp discovered Microzyma (now known as micro-organisms) minute or small ferment bodies--the basic structure of cell life; and that germs definitely are the result, not the cause of disease.

Through his experiments he showed that the vital characteristics of cells and germs are determined by the soil in which their microzyma feed, grow and multiply in the human body. Both the normal cell and germ have constructive work to do.

The cells organize tissues and organs in the human body. Germs cleanse the human system and free it from accumulations of pathogenic and mucoid matter.  

We are constantly breathing in some 14,000 germs and bacteria per hour. If germs are so harmful, why aren't we all dead?

 

In the primary stages of inflammation (pus formation), the bacteria present are streptococci but as blood cells and tissues further disintegrate, the "streps" turn into the staphylococcus--changing into forms native to their new surroundings of dead tissues.  

Bacteria do not have any action on live cells; only dead cells. They are not the cause of disease but the result thereof. That's why in many cases of pneumonia; the pneumococci don't appear on the scene until 36 to 72 hours after the onset of the disease.

His biological work might then have revolutionized medicine with profound insight into the nature of life. But in a political world, he found himself up against a skillful politician with wealthy connections--Louis Pasteur.

Antoinne Béchamp was a scientist, while apothecary Pasteur was a chemist with no education in life sciences, and an advertiser, plagiarized the research of Béchamp, distorted it, submitted it to the French Academy of Science as his own!

And by making public these premature research findings, Pasteur had a devoted following--people acclaiming him a scientific genius.

Pasteur was responsible in large part for the onslaught of animal experimentation in medical research. Pasteur used preparations made from the diseased tissues of previously sick animals, thus making the injected ones sick.

This gave the appearance that a germ caused a disease, when if fact these preparations were extremely poisonous.

When the inconsistencies of the germ theory of disease threatened the bacteria/disease premise, Eli Metchnikoff (1845-1916) bolstered the shaky germ theory of disease causation by revealing novel concepts about leukocytic phagocytosis (how certain white blood cells engulf foreign agents in the circulating blood and tissues), starting the indomitable THEORY of immunology.

The newly developed concepts of Metchnikoff erased the obvious inadequacies of the germ theory: why everyone exposed to the same microbe didn't develop the disease. Theoretical immunology per Ehrlich, Pasteur and Metchnikoff could now explain the whys and why-nots.

If a person's immune cells were smart and could recognize the enemy--the invading bacterium--then phagocytosis immediately engulfed and destroyed the invader.

If the leukocyte was incompetent (by whatever strange reason) the invader took control and proceeded to destroy the victim.

The answer was to educate the leucocytes so they could recognize and destroy the invading microorganisms.

This Platonic academia gave rise to the theory that injection of disease residues, (fractions of pus, into a healthy person), would provoke an immune reaction (the antigen/antibody theory).

Thus, a sharpening up of leucocytes so they could recognize the invader and engulf it.

Pasteur stated later in his career that germs and bacteria are not the exact and primary cause of disease. He abandoned his earlier beliefs on the Germ Theory and became convinced that the disease came first, the germ second.

He stated, "The presence in the body of a pathogenic agent is not necessarily synonymous with infectious disease."

Pasteur was aware that fermentation (which he studied extensively while formulating his germ theory) only occurs in injured, bruised or dead material, and that bacteria are a natural result of fermentation, not the cause. He realized later that germs and bacteria change their form according to their environment.

Unfortunately, the stepping-stones of modern-day medicine were already in place and Pasteur could not reverse the situation.

Most infectious pathogenic bacteria, yeast, mold, and fungus, thrive in an imbalanced pH. The following bacteria, all well known enemies of modern science's war on bacteria, grow optimally on pH imbalanced media:

The germ theory, virus theory, genetic theory and autoimmune theory--contemporary disease causation theories--are all based upon and rely upon IMMUNOLOGY. Immunology is based upon and must be supported by Darwinian concepts of evolution.

Pull out the evolutionary foundation and all the prevailing theories collapse; the highly publicized, but nonexistent, advances of modern medicine are exposed as scatologists!. Nonetheless, the germ theory is still believed to be the central cause of disease, because around it exists a global supportive infrastructure of commercial interests that built multi-billion-dollar industries based upon this theory.

Whether Pasteur or Béchamp is correct may still be an issue for some people. It does seem unusual, though, that Antoine's name, and the controversy itself, have been omitted from history, medical and biology books--even encyclopedias.

Given the magnitude and number of Béchamp's discoveries, it is more-than-likely that this omission is more than oversight. The historical assassination of Antoine Béchamp resulted in medical science drawing conclusions from a half-truth.

This has meant untold misery for the human race, especially in the West. The resulting concept of diseases as entities that attack us is highly questionable and is a major block to resolving health care issues today.

The odd thing is, Pasteur himself was reported to have admitted on his deathbed that, "Claude Bernard was right--the microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything." But, even as he way dying, he would not give credit for the demonstration of this fact to whom it was due--Antoine Béchamp!

One organism can rapidly assume many forms and it may be in several stages at once. The toxins (acids) from the whole spectrum of these microforms combine to produce symptoms, or provoke the body to produce them.

The toxic output of yeast, fungus and mold is a primary disruptive influence in the body. But, it is not the microforms themselves that initiate disease. They only show up because of a compromised biological terrain.

Yeast and fungus can start their takeover while we're still living. Because the microzymas are getting the chemical signal, from an acid terrain, that this organism is dead or disorganizing! The body naturally goes acid when it dies or when the cells begin to disorganize. And without respiration, oxygen is lost.  

One of the symptoms of terrain imbalance is lack of oxygen. These morbidly evolved organisms thrive without oxygen, i.e., they are anaerobic. We predispose ourselves to this takeover with various stresses. The main ones are chronic improper diet and/or other chronic toxicity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:48 | 5756138 AchtungAffen
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Completely ignorant copy-pasta won't taste good even with bacon.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 17:28 | 5756460 Swave
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Fascinating!

This would explain the effectiveness of The Gerson Therapy.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 14:08 | 5755842 Bemused Observer
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Vaccination is not an evil thing. In most cases, it does help.

That being said, it really should surprise no one that so many are resisting it. There is no trust, not in government, not in technology, not in each other, not anymore.

People aren't refusing because they are backwards-thinkers...they are refusing because the very agencies that are telling us to have long lost the trust of the people.

So it doesn't MATTER whether vaccination works or not. That's what happens when you lose the trust of the people. All those who now want to force the procedure will simply drive even MORE to refuse, if not on general principle, then out of the very legitimate fear they are being lied to ONCE AGAIN...

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:50 | 5756140 AchtungAffen
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But it also has to do with people's ability to discern legitimate information from crap. And that has to do with education. So yeah, bad education, bad information, bad choices.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 17:03 | 5756366 Abaco
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There is an awful lot of crap put out by the pushers of vaccinations.  Take shingles.  We have increasing evidence that it is now more prevalent due the chickenpox vacination program. Now they are pushing a Shingles vaccine advising everyone 60 years of age to get a dose.  The vacine is "supposedly up to" 51% effective.  What?!? Take a vaccine with potential serious adverse effects that is a crapshoot as to whether it will be effective?  And the CDC RECOMMENDS this? WTF?

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 14:13 | 5755853 stilletto
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The problem we have in Europe is that we have socialised healthcare. So I as taxpayer am forced against my will to fund your hospital care. So if you chose to smoke, drink, eat, or unvaccinate to ill health it should be your choice and good luck to you. However when you collapse from your unhealthy choices i am forced by Govt to fund your hospital recovery. Hence free choice was abolished in UK in 1947 with the creation of the welfare state making us all pay for each others choices. I'd love to have free choice back, starting with the freedom for suicide and to seek a repectable death - also illegal in the UK police state. We cannot have free choice until the socialist welfare state is dismantled.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 14:34 | 5755905 GalacticEmissary
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Since the illustrious medical community tells me that my infant who is 30 seconds old needs a Hep B vaccine, that's a sexually transmitted disease BTW, It makes me think the rest of the bulshit they are peddling is just that, BULLSHIT!

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 14:54 | 5755955 isolato
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Look,

 

You aren't "free" to choose your own speed limit or dump poisons into your local water supply. Absolute freedom, "the state of nature", would be nightmarish. Society will always be a conflict between the rights of the individual versus the common good. Where you draw the line is debatable and changes with the times. Aren't you glad you can't get smallpox anymore? Or would you rather be "free" to be scarred for life, to drive on highways w/o speed limits or drink water that has no requirement for purity. As for illegal immigrants bringing disease into America...vaccination rates are higher in Central America than they are here. Anti-vaxxers are as nutty as the Taliban in Pakistan killing the polio vaccinators.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:03 | 5755984 GalacticEmissary
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Please explain why an infant needs a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease that it's mother does not have?!

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:44 | 5756124 AchtungAffen
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Might be because it's better to have immunity to HPV than treating the resulting cancer?

Sun, 02/08/2015 - 09:55 | 5758105 libertysghost
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They were referring to HEP B goober.  But the queation is about freedom anyway.  And "science" has never occurred in a social vacuum...it's as influenced by politics and greed as any other "discipline" so why the worshiping deference? 

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:24 | 5756068 Angry White Dude
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Your argument isn't logical. Your conclusion that the non-consensual violation of one's body through forced injections is just does not flow from your premise that certain prohibitions against willful, external acts are beneficial to society.

Should one be free to choose to shoot someone else (without justification)? I don't think so. Should one be free to choose to shoot themselves? Asbsolutely. 

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:46 | 5756130 AchtungAffen
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Are you free to douse yourself with plutonium? Probably. Are you free to then go roaming through the streets contaminating everyone else? Hmm...

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 17:07 | 5756381 Abaco
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The autobahn is pretty cool and it has no speed limits. People are generally NOT suicidal and don't need the coercive power of government to make them act in their own interest. Only asshole statist pigs believe the opposite. Tey do stupid things like conflate smallpox with measles or chickenpox. They are probably so stupid that they need a government requirement to prevent them from drinking contaminated water. They make irational statements like "vaccination rates are higher in Central America than they are here" which, even if true is not germane.  The only thing in that regard is the vaccination rates of the people coming across the border. BUt that, of course, is just too dep a level of thinking for those of you who would rather be popunded in the ass by their government while licking statist boots than stand up and think for themselves.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 20:26 | 5757002 lordkoos
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Hey dude, that "common good" shit doesn't fly on ZeroHedge.  Wake up and smell the ignorance.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:29 | 5755993 jomama
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Take a look at the skyrocketing rate of autoimmune diseases in the last 50 years since the US started mass vaccinating.

The chart above is from a hygeine correlation paper, but this publication by the PLoS shows that given enough vaccine injections, everyone will develop an autoimmune disorder. The study was performed on mice developed for their ability to withstand such chronic disease. It found that the immune systems of all these autoimmune disease-resistant mice become deranged by the time they’re given an eighth injection of antigens alone. That is, injection of adjuvants was not required to cause autoimmunity. Antigen injection alone was enough to cause autoimmune diseases. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0008382

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 15:30 | 5756074 monad
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In the 60s we were all vaccinated in grade school. I don't recall anything more than a slip we took home a month before. Nobody died. To this day I have a pox scar on my back left shoulder. I'd already had measles when I was about 6, they shot me for that too. More than once.

I have worked with quite gifted people, some deformed, mostly due to polio when they were children. One had a rich father. No cure available at the time in his country. This woman is quite extraordinary in several fields. She demonstrates her genius in her manner of living.

So I am for vaccines. But 2004 I took some shots to go to Africa and advance my charity work there. The second of 3 hepatitus shots made me lethargic for years, if not permanently. Bad medicine. Prior to that my medical history is, I brushed my teeth. To this day I don't have a medical history. I'm past retirement and despite where they've been, my fingers and toes all still work.

I avoided doctors.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 17:25 | 5756442 Franktastic
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There has been an epidemic of inflammatory diseases that has paralleled the epidemic on iatrogenic immune
stimulation with vaccines. Extensive evidence links vaccine induced immune over load with the epidemic of type 1
diabetes. More recent data indicates that obesity, type 2 diabetes and other components of metabolic syndrome are
highly associated with immunization and may be manifestations of the negative feedback loop of the immune system
reacting to the immune overload. The epidemic of diabetes/prediabetes appears to be accelerating at a time when
the prevalence of obesity has stabilized, indicating that the negative feedback system of the immune system has
been over whelmed. The theory of vaccine induced immune overload can explain the key observations that have
confounded many competing hypothesis. The current paper reviews the evidence that vaccine induced immune
overload explains the disconnect between the increase in prediabetes and nonalcoholic fatty liver at a time when the
obesity epidemic is waning in children.

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/vaccine-induced-immune-overload-now-affec...

 

keep your kids, your parents and yourself from these so called doctors.

More like an eugenics program, by your gov.

 

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/vaccinated-spreading-measles-merck-cdc-d...

 

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 18:30 | 5756679 SMC
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Perhaps it is time to short the corporate welfare components of the American Death Care system.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 20:25 | 5756999 lordkoos
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The odds of getting seriously ill from a measles vaccine is probalby 10000 times less than getting killed in a car crash.

Sat, 02/07/2015 - 23:14 | 5757411 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Biological Behaviourism herd immunity vs. Anthropological natural immunity. Add 'informed consent' and the right to refuse medical interventions, and if the individual makes the choice to say no, and is of the age of consent, then, the Gubberment, and the medical superstructure of Gubberment, can go fuck themselves sideways, frontwards, and backwards, as well as upside down, for all I, for one, give a rat's arse.

 

Medical School is a 1%er Oligopoly IMO.

Sun, 02/08/2015 - 14:35 | 5758802 OutaTime43
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So, what does the supposed M.D. suggest we do? Just stop vaccinating people because of a 1 in 100,000 chance of a possible reaction?  1 in 20 children who contract Measles typically go on to develop pneumonia. Many of them end up dying. This is why we vaccinate kids and why the risk of the illness is FAR greater than the risk from the shots. It's almost a luddite view of the world that is based more on paranoia and anecdotes than facts. These "freedom" people seem to forget that you're deciding for someone else not yourself. If your kids knew the risk you were putting them in , then they'd tell you to get lost and make an appointment to get their titers.  

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:10 | 5762655 Vin
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@OutaTime43

So vaccinate your kids and shut the fuck up.  I'm not.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:08 | 5762638 Vin
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The issue at hand is NOT if the vaccines are useful or not.  The only issue is, can the feds force you to put shit in your body that you don't want?

All the "screamers" that insist that everyone be vaccinated can go to hell.  Why do they care?  If they're vaccinated then they should have no problem.  So shut the hell up and get vaccinated if you're a screamer.

The bigger issue, however, is, why do we allow the criminal prez to keep our borders open, thereby allowing disease into the country?  Because it's all about control, control, control.

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