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Ukraine 'Peace' Talks In Tatters: Defiant Putin "Won't Tolerate Unipolar World"; Hollande Proposes "Strong Autonomy" For Rebel Region
Just as the existing 'truce' in Ukraine has been made a total farce as 1000s of military and civilians have been killed, so any 'hope' that this weekend's "peace efforts" will result in anything but more talk is rapidly diminishing... Germany's Merkel exclaimed honestly that it's "uncertain whether this will be successful," seemingly resigned to the fact as she added, "but it's at least worth making an attempt." French President Hollande admitted that Ukraine's eastern regions likely need "strong autonomy." Ukraine's Poroshenko blustered that he "trusts" Merkel, that the economy is collapsing (more money please), that the country does not need peacekeepers and a lack of arms is fueling conflict (so send us weapons) while pushing for a Russian withdrawal and quick cease-fire. Finally Vladimir Putin blasted that Russia is unwilling to tolerate a post-Cold War global system dominated by one absolute leader, to which US VP Joe Biden remarked simply "get out of Ukraine." But apart from that, talks are going great...
Stocks rallied after hours on Friday on a spurious headline that peace talks were progressing...
That appears to be entirely false...
Merkel... not optimistic... (via Bloomberg)
"It’s uncertain whether this will be successful, but in my view and in the view of the French president, it’s at least worth making an attempt,” Merkel says in speech at the Munich Security Conference. “I feel that we at least owe it to those affected in Ukraine.”
“Russia needs to show its contribution” in defusing Ukraine crisis, Merkel says.
"This conflict can’t be solved militarily," Merkel says
Minsk accord must be fulfilled: Merkel
Hollande... does not see a united Ukraine anytime soon (via France24)
French President Francois Hollande called for “quite strong” autonomy for Ukraine’s eastern regions while speaking on France 2 TV. He also revealed part of the joint plan discussed in Moscow on the conflict’s solution. On Saturday, Hollande said that the eastern Ukrainian regions of Donetsk and Lugansk need “rather strong” autonomy from Kiev.
“These people have gone to war," Hollande explained "It will be difficult to make them share a common life [with Kiev]."
Ukrainian President Poroshenko appears tro demand more money and weapons...
- *POROSHENKO: 5,638 PEOPLE KILLED IN UKRAINE CONFLICT SO FAR
- *POROSHENKO: UKRAINE HAS LOST 20% OF ITS INDUSTRIAL OUTPUT
- *POROSHENKO: ONLY THE MINSK AGREEMENT CAN STABILIZE UKRAINE
- *POROSHENKO: UKRAINE'S LACK OF ARMS IS FUELING CONFLICT
- *POROSHENKO SAYS UKRAINE DOESN'T NEED PEACEKEEPERS NOW
- *POROSHENKO SAYS PRIORITY IS CEASE-FIRE, RUSSIAN PULLOUT
Russia's Lavrov slammed NATO...
- *LAVROV TOLD STOLTENBERG NATO'S BUILDUP PROVOKING CONFRONTATION
- *LAVROV SAYS NATO BUILDUP WORSENS TENSIONS, UNDERMINES SECURITY
- *LAVROV: NATO BACKING UKRAINE'S CRACKDOWN WON'T FACILITATE PEACE
NATO’s backing for crackdown by Ukrainian govt in southeast doesn’t facilitate peaceful settlement of conflict, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov tells military alliance’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg.
NATO course to boost its military presence, infrastructure on its eastern flank, “substantial increase” in number of drills near Russia’s border worsen tension, provoke confrontation, undermine “entire system” of Euro-Atlantic security.
Putin added some more strategic spice... (via Bloomberg)
Russian President Vladimir Putin struck a defiant tone a day after talks in Moscow with the leaders of Germany and France failed to achieve a breakthrough in resolving the Ukraine crisis.
Russia won’t tolerate the post-Cold War global system dominated by a single leader, Putin said Saturday at a meeting with the Federation of Independent Trade Unions in Sochi.
“That type of world order has never been acceptable for Russia,” Putin said. “Maybe someone likes it and wants to live under a pseudo-occupation, but we won’t put up with it.”
To which US VP Joe Biden responded... (via CNN)
Vice President Joe Biden served up some blunt talk on Saturday, telling Russian President Vladimir Putin simply to "get out of Ukraine."
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Speaking at the Munich Security Conference in Germany, Biden said the conflict had moved beyond the need for a "reset" with the relationship, instead requiring a "re-assertion" of the "fundamental bedrock principles on which European freedom and stability rest."
"We must judge ... any future agreement with Russia by the actions Russia takes on the ground, not by the paper they sign," Biden said. "Given Russia's recent history, we need to judge it by its deeds, not its words. Don't tell us, show us, President Putin. Too many times President Putin has promised peace and delivered tanks, troops, and weapons."
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"We will continue providing Ukraine with security assistance, not to encourage war, but to allow Ukraine to defend itself," he said. "Let me be clear: We do not believe that there is a military solution in Ukraine. Let me be equally clear: We do not believe Russia has the right to do what they're doing."
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But apart from that, talks are progressing nicely...
- *POROSHENKO: WILL HAVE AN ANSWER ON CEASEFIRE IN HOURS OR DAYS (or weeks or months or never)
And as Daniel Hannan notes (via CapX.com),
...in a throwback to the Khruschev and Brezhnev eras, the Kremlin is seeking to detach Germany and France from Nato’s more hawkish Anglo-Saxon members. Angela Merkel and François Hollande oppose sending military or logistical support to Ukraine, and Vladimir Putin is now dealing directly with them, pointedly excluding Britain, the United States and Canada.
In theory, a peace settlement might be hammered out. While we don’t know the details of the current negotiations, the broad outlines of a deal were visible by the end of last year. Russia would, in effect, buy back the Crimea, possibly for a sum based on the capitalisation of its annual rent of the naval facilities there. The international community would recognise the new frontier – Crimea, after all, was the one part of Ukraine where there really was popular support for an Anschluss with Russia – and Russia, in exchange, would withdraw from the grim industrial towns of the Donets basin. Some form of local autonomy might well be part of the deal – a worthwhile reform in itself in a territory as large as Ukraine.
Here, though, is the question. Does Putin really want peace? Is his aim victory – and recognition of the annexation of Crimea would certainly constitute victory of a kind – or is it a continuation of the crisis? The conflict, after all, has sent his approval ratings above 80 per cent. When you are presiding over both poverty and autocracy, you need something else to legitimise your regime, and that something else, for Putin, is the sense of nationalism and unity engendered by a conflicts involving Russian irredenti.
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The West never quite knows how to handle Vladimir Putin, and the crisis in Ukraine is, at least in part, a consequence of our prevarication.
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Perhaps - in the same way - US leadership needs a 'foreign' boogey-man to focus national attention away from what is under the surface a weak and extremely divided economic 'recovery'?
Nineteenth-century German historians had a phrase, Primat der Innenpolitik, meaning that all foreign policy was essentially driven by domestic concerns. One government would pick a fight with another, not because of geopolitical imperatives, but in order to shore up its support at home.
Shakespeare has Henry IV give his son some advice from the deathbed: “Be it thy course to busy giddy minds with foreign quarrels”
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Don't expect to see the sons and daughters of those calling war against Russia in the battle field, they're counting on you to fight and die for them.
And there will be plenty who will believe the propaganda and will.
Sadly truth.
care to proffer an ethnic breakdown?
Meanwhile Ukraine currency collapse more than 30 % from 16/1 to 25/1...
This is what a currency collapse look like: https://fr.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=USDUAH%3DX#symbol=USDUAH=X;range=1y
In Gold... https://fr.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=XAUUAH%3DX#symbol=XAUUAH=X;range=5d
Would like to see an article (and porn chart) here on ZH.
It was long ago above 20 hryvna per USD between banks and in exchanges. But until now the central bank was the official source of the artificial currency rate. Now they said thay can no longer keep the artificial rate.
It's the same central bank plague over the world. But Ukraine was also invaded by nuclear country. It has now two governments to fight against...
If I look at the exchange rates between the UAH and the RUB for the last 5 years, I see a reversion to the Mean: 3.75 UAH = 1 RUB.
Whatever artificial advantage it had in the last year (Apr-Dec 2014), has now vanished.
As I've stated numerous times here, Russia needs to attack the UAH and call in their Loans, forcing the Kiev junta to default on their loans. In addition, they need to cut off coal supplies, to put added economic pressure on them. If they wanted to rub the salt into the wound, they'd force the Uke junta to pre-pay in GOLD.
This is War, and let's not pretend otherwise.
Does anyone remember or know who fired the first shot that started this mess?
Which ever side that person or persons is on, they are guilty of starting this mess.
Regardless of everything and everyone else, Poroshenko had a choice when he intentionally alowed the dropping of the first bomb on a civilian home in the Eastern cities. That was the game-changer.
you've got 8 cents for your comment, poor russian troll.
Wrong, Poroshenko was not president when the first shells were fired on civilain homes...
"In response to the widening unrest, the acting Ukrainian President, Oleksandr Turchynov, vowed to launch a major "anti-terror" operation against separatist movements in Donetsk Oblast.[130] The Minister of Internal Affairs, Arsen Avakov, said on 9 April that the unrest in Donetsk Oblast would be resolved within forty-eight hours, either through negotiations or the use of force. President Oleksandr Turchynov signed a decree to retake the Donetsk RSA building, "
I'd say the "first shots" were fired at the Kiev Maidan, deliberately taking the conflict from truncheons-and-tear gas to Molotovs-and-gunfire.
There is reasonably good documentation that the Maidan shooters were trained, foreign-funded, snipers on the rooftops of buildings occupied by the forces of Freedom, Democracy and Conchita Wurst. They were firing at both sides, to keep things muddled, and every conflict can use both martyrs, and dead opponents.
same tactics as started Yugo wars
Because the same goup of people were behind both revolutions.
Yup. It is sad.
My folks are mixed Yugos and the civil war fucked their heads. It fucked my head too. We took sides. We believed all of the bullshit press. I took sides.
To this day, my folks still believe the MSM lies about what happened in their homelands. They do not want to believe that it was all foreign intervention. They still take sides.
I am ashamed today that I took a side and demonized the other side in the Yugo war.
good post
US sniper?
FUNNY .
THIS WHOLE ARTICLE COULD HAVE BEEN TITLED. PUTIN STILL HAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
AND THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ALL THAT WAS NEEDED TO BE WRITTEN.
WHY SO MANY WORDS?
well the game changer as I see it were the 55 people killed in Odessa. Thats when the innocent started getting killed in the East after the Maidan caper and Yanukovich exit. There had been no civilian killings until then not even in Crimea (to my knowledge reported).
This guy has a vivid imagination and it might be plausable.
http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/2015/02/how-to-put-the-pieces-togethe...
Never know, fog and all.
One things looks obvious, if the US blocks the Hollande proposal of a no fight zone with more autonomy down the road, the Ruskis will walk in or crawl in or shoot their way into Mariupol.
And that is what they want.
Mariupol is very antiKiev hope is for elegant rescue as in Crimea
Apocalyptic stuff! an entertaining read at the least.
Our government is a criminal enterprise. We are being led by the criminally insane. Our only hope is that whatever additional wars these warmongers start, there won't be enough "volunteers" to fight their battles. So they will have to reinstitute the draft. And when that happens, you will see the lazy, self-absorbed, clueless Americans start to howl and bitch like there is no tomorrow. Who the fuck wants to go fight in Ukraine? Against the Russians? So the Zionist can have a back-up country? So the filthy rich can plunder the Ukraine and Russia? Not me. Not in this lifetime. Go fuck yourself.
Sadly they will ramp up the propagand machine, and there will be many who will gladly send their sons and daughters off to fight and die in the name of "truty, justice, and the american way"! Sheep are gullible and easily controlled.
The new boarder crossers will serve. Contingent to be a citizen.
Neocons marching along.............
Kerry Cementing Covert Deal Of U.S. Arms Flow To Ukraine
TND Guest Contributor: Wayne Madsen
http://thenewsdoctors.com/kerry-cementing-covert-deal-of-u-s-arms-flow-to-ukraine-wayne-madsen/
Ukraine war
anti Mobilization video war in Ukraine (English subtitles)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIPCvCERghQ
George Washington's Blog should consider running a story about how Obama slipped-up last Sunday and admited that the US played a role in orchestrating the coup in Kiev. The powers that be are taking us to war on the lie that Russia was/is behind everything and none other than the goofball-in-chief Obama has demonstrated that's nothing but propaganda. This is a hgue story that might even throw a spanner into the propaganda machine but sadly, too few alternative media publishers have picked it up.
Feel free to reprint this if you wish:
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=277507
link no work
Telling Putin to take his troops out of Ukraine will get the same result as telling me to take my penis out of Jennifer Lawrence's vagina.
No matter how many time CNN says they saw it in there.
I don't know who Jennifer Lawrence is but once you're in you're in
tag, you're it
Biden tells Putin to get out of Ukraine when he had the brass balls to put his fuckup dipshit son Hunter on the Board of Directors of the Ukrainian National Gas company. HEY BIDEN, WHY DON'T YOU GET THE FUCK OUT OF UKRAINE!
USA=Empire of Chaos
So you do not believe Putins and his Generals that they have not sent into soveign Ukrainian territory Russian military and weapons?
I believe they have. This is an invasion. Which has at the heart of its mission to deny the people of Ukraine their right to govern themselves.
All of the b.s. aside this is Putin trying once more to prove to the world that he he is Russia and there is nothing you can do about it. It is the fear of a Russian first use nuclear strike that scares everyone.
I say call his bluff and when he fails to send the nukes lets all laugh in face.
He is not insane, anyone who actually believes he would resort to first strike is wrong.
1- Russia would not insert spec ops unless someone else had inserted spec ops.
2- Videos of NATO weaponry in that airport show NATO is introducing weapons.
3-Vlad would have every reason to slip weapons to the freedom fighters.
4- Vlad has not invaded or threatened to Invade the USA. So there is no reason to threaten Russia in its own region.
(the Russ came from Kiev)
There must be more on Merkel's and Hollande's minds than a ceasefire and settlement of the civil war in Ukraine - GREXIT, possible collapse of the Euro monetary project, possible splintering of the EU, as well as possible escalation of the Ukraine war into a wider hot war.
Central banks and governments have been whistling past the graveyard since 2008, playing Extend and Pretend with QE and increasing debt added to already-unpayable piles of debt. The question is how long the extend and pretend game can go on. Extend and Pretend extends the deadline for debt payments, advances more money to keep bankrupt economies afloat and allow interest payments to be made, and pretends that the economic and financial ills of the PIIGS and the EU have been cured by the "bailouts" and enforced austerity.
Greece's new Finance Minister, Yaris Varoufakis, is threatening to cause the game to collapse by stating some intolerable truths:
1. Greece is bankrupt and cannot possibly pay its debts;
2. Debts that cannot be paid will not be paid;
3. Greece will not continue the Extend and Pretend game by taking more money from the Troika and continuing the austerity programs that the IMF imposes on its borrowers;
4. Greece will not continue to sell Greece's assets to comply with the IMF "privatization" scheme that would allow the IMF cronies to loot Greece of assets;
The only way Greece can avoid default is by borrowing more money to allow it to roll over each bond issue as it comes due, and increasing its mountain of debt. The Troika's strategy for coping with Greece's problem is like a debt snowball rolling down a snow-covered hill, gaining size with each roll. The debt snowball will never get smaller in the process.
The Troika is in a panic because the rest of the PIIGS and probably France and the UK are in little better financial shape than Greece. If Greece defaults (i.e. refuses or is unable to meet payout/rollover schedules on its bond debts), and does not suffer intolerable results, the radicals in the rest of the PIIGS may join in a default rush. If Greece defaults, that may crash a few $Trillion in derivatives, making the 2008 credit meltdown seem minor in comparison.
The latest ultimatum from the Troika, led by Auntie Angela Merkel is almost laughable: "Take more money from us or we will refuse to lend you more money".
Super-Mario Draghi of the European Central Bank (ECB) has finally got his dream strategy accepted - QE for Europe with each EU country's central bank allowed to sell bonds to the ECB for freshly-created Euros. Considering how well QE has cured the economic ills of Japan and the USA ("NOT"), QE for Europe looks like a desperate attempt to stave off inevitable collapse. But it will extend the Extend and Pretend game for a while. Whew!
Russia's President Putin is using natural gas politics in counterattacking the US/EU sanctions and financial war attacks on Russia. Russia has diverted the South Stream pipeline to Turkey, a non-EU state, away from EU's Bulgaria, and to a hub at the Turkey/Greece border. Russia then announced that once Turk Stream is up and running, Russia will shut off the gas pipelines running to the EU through Ukraine. That makes Greece the natural conduit for the natural gas from Russia to southern Europe, and puts Greece in a position to extract fees for pipeline construction and transit. Putin invited Greece to leave the EU and join the Eurasian Economic Union, and Putin is now offering financial support for Greece to bridge its exit from the EU and Euro.
It cannot have escaped the attention of the EU leaders that if Greece leaves the EU, the EU will lose any legal control that EU would enjoy over pipelines and gas transiting Greece under EU law (see Third Energy Package). Greece would be in a position to play extreme hardball with the EU over access to Russian gas supplies, which now account for about 30% of all natural gas used in Europe.
The EU's hopes to find other sources to replace Russian as a source of natural gas must now be at a low ebb: (i) the US fracking "boom" is not financially viable, and the US lacks facilities for LNG exports; (ii) the EU lacks import facilities for LNG imports and it would be very expensive and take some years to build them; (iii) the process of compressing gas to LNG, shipping it in specially-constructed refrigerated tankers, and decompressing it at import terminals is inherently expensive, tending to make LNG uncompetitive with gas delivered by pipelines; (iv) the North Sea and Baltic fields have only limited ability to increase production and are expensive areas to develop; (v) hopes of getting ample gas by fracking in Europe are fading, with Chevron dropping plans to frack in Ukraine and Poland, and environmental concerns blocking fracking in many other areas; (vi) the NABUCCO/TANAP plan to bring natural gas to the EU from Central Asia and the Middle East via the Southern Gas Corridor via Syria and Turkey is going nowhere fast; (vii) Russia remains the lowest-cost and most secure source of natural gas for Europe; if Russia cut off all natural gas to Europe, the effects on EU industries and the public would be horrendous; and (viii) Turkey's Erdogan appears to be swaying away from allegiance to the US/EU/NATO bloc to joining the Eurasian Economic Union. To make matters worse, Turkey is making noises about not allowing the construction of the TAP pipeline for gas to come from Azerbaijan’s Caspian Sea field to Italy.
In Ukraine, the civil war is going badly for the Kiev forces and the US/EU/NATO bloc is faced with a quandary of how to extricate itself from the financial and political hellhole which is Ukraine without provoking all-out war with Russia, while Putin shows no signs of buckling to the US/EU/NATO bloc’s demands that it have all of Ukraine as its new playpen.
The sanctions and financial warfare against Russia are not causing Putin to back down, and are causing significant economic pain and political unrest in the EU.
Now we hear that Merkel of Germany and Hollande of France (the countries whose banks were saved by the "bailout" of Greece) have made an emergency trip to Moscow to meet with Putin. What was on the agenda? Ukraine only? Or Ukraine, natural gas, and Greece? Did they tell Putin the EU would: (a) force Ukraine to federalize and let the Donestk and Lugansk Republics have significant autonomy in Ukraine; (b) give up on getting Crimea back; (c) stop the sanctions and financial wars; and (d) keep NATO out of Ukraine, in return for Russia (1) getting the east Ukrainian separatist republics from continuing to destroy the Kiev armed forces and extending their territories, and (2) not supporting Greece?
What Merkel and Hollande offered to Putin must be more than their earlier position that Russia had to fold to the US/EU/NATO demands, because Putin did not tell them to take a hike – a conference call among Putin, Merkel, Hollande, and Kiev’s Poroschenko is scheduled for Sunday.
Meanwhile, while the USA is engrossed in its moves in the Middle East and Ukraine, China goes around quietly buying up resources and making trade and financial ties with the rest of the world, and increasing its control over the South China Sea. And buying gold bullion at the artificially low prices created by the paper gold derivatives market manipulations of Wall Street and the Western central banks. "Kung Hay Fat Choy" (Happy Chinese New Year).
"Greece will not continue the Extend and Pretend game by taking more money from the Troika"
That is the key right there! No more loans to service interest payments to European Banks means the whole show collapses.
Ukraine: "Welcome to the EU!"
"
Yatsenyuk is planning to rob Ukrainians using the “Cyprus Scenario.” The Ministry of Finance legislative project “On Ukraine’s Financial System During the Special Period” contains a number of provisions concerning individual and corporate bank deposits. Specifically, there the following provision: “in the event of a martial law and a moratorium on disbursement of bank deposits such deposits may be used in order to satisfy the needs of the state during the special period by including such a proportion as will be determined by the Cabinet of Ministers into the state budget.”The legislative project also specifies that the deposits which are used in this manner are added to the national debt, and the owners of the deposits are issued state bonds. The government will fulfill their obligations to the bond holders after the special period is finished, using the national budget."
Hows that for European values? Banker rule, how does it feel?
Bankers rule, dupes mewl.
Ukrainians now ask this uncomfortable question, "When will we live as prosperously as under the pro-Russian ex-president Victor Yanukovich?"
The country will default in a few months.
The Ukrainian hrivna is down from 8/$1 to 25/$1 and will certainly reach 50/$1.
Well, obviously. The smart money have figured out that the Willy Wonka regime in Kiev is beyond human aid (short of nuclear war) and are cutting their losses.
Victors in war are not responsible for the debts of the vanquished. By Christmas the Russian army will have driven Wonka and the oompa-loompahs from Kiev, and the first act of whatever replaces them (if anything has to---the Ukraine never made sense as an independent state, and the best thing to do would be to re-unite it with the Russian Federation) will almost certainly be a complete repudiation of Kiev's debt to western speculators.
bla bla bla....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdRo7okHCAc :P
I get the impression this website is running a ton of scripts in the background. Not good.
Simply use "epic browser".
Looks interesting shame it's not for ipad!
Try to use a VPN. You can find some free here. : vpngate.net
And don't forget to keep your communication secure with. : https://subrosa.io
just turn off javascript on your browser
Seems to help so far. Thx
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The Banksters see their only opportunity in fomenting war as their global financial ponzi scheme is failing.
That is why they allowed Greece to choose an antagonistic regime and it is why Mr. Biden is being allowed to rattle his sabre at Russia.
War will awaken the slumbering (mostly) United States behemoth known as the Military Industrial complex and prevent America from falling into a massive depression.
No one makes war machines like the United States of America.
"War will awaken the slumbering (mostly) United States behemoth known as the Military Industrial complex and prevent America from falling into a massive depression.
No one makes war machines like the United States of America."
From http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2015/02/about-us-weapons-deliveries-an...
Thank you for a very interesting comment on my post.
You brought up some very good points.
But my assertion is that the United States resourcefulness, determination and ability to innovate is still the edge required to win wars like the one we may be facing with Russia.... and that translates into the changes required (if necessary) to make war machines that are superior to Russian products.
In 1940, yes. Now, errr, not so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3O801sVuVo
Russia has an industrial base and a highly educated work force.
Fucking with this culture is asking for punishment; really, why do it? Cooperation, diplomacy, real politik, just not Hollywood enough?
What do you think this is? A fucking football game?
I think the fact that the Novorussian and russian fighters are protecting their homeland would be the clincher.If it turns nuclear I would guess a draw for the fighters and a loss for the rest of the world. By the way have you not noticed USA lost in Viet nam , Lost in Afghanistan,(So did the Soviets) has not succeeded in Iraq,Libya or Syria. So good luck with the Ra Ra USA line.
We should "not be facing war" with Russia for any reason unless they invade Miami or Norfolk.
Excellent analysis. Well done. Spot on. You are exactly right.
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Putin is still salty about the outcome of the CW. He will do anythig in his power to fuck us back.
Just hours ago Ukraine launched a huge tank attack backed by massive rocket artillery. Well south of Donetsk, looks like a major effort to break an armored force through to outflank Donetsk defenses. Major attacks in other areas. I suggest this is now the Big One, or Ukraines last attempt to win the war.
In the major offensive area large tank battles are reported, but no clear news yet other than the major armored thrust has been made.
The usual Cease Fire and Peace Talks are the same cover for major operations. Kerry was in Kiev, and Kiev immediately launched a full scale major armored offensive. Kerry gave the order. Those who say "no" "he wouldn't do that", think who pays for this war. Ukraine is bankrupt, they have no money, yet continue to launch massive attacks. Kerry brought the money and told Kiev, "go ahead, we'll pay for it".
I suggest the next 24 hours are the most important in this war since Aug. when the first Ukie offensive was defeated. I expect that Russia will open it's emergency plan for arms to Donbass. They had to know this was coming, and with Kerry in Kiev, it was clear all hell was gonna break lose!
where is link to that?
Volkodva, "Sputnik" English reported a front wide offensive today.
Two Russian Twitter accounts with links to NAF report the major tank attack south of Donetsk.
I checked Twitter, more reports of massive Ukrainian attacks on Donetsk. This just broke an hour or so ago, reports are just coming in.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150207/1017947497.html
da good thanks.. I found Basurin on this, but Russian..maybe that subdued already
Kazzura youtube translate much of Bashurin, look there soon
this is important: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150206/1017847475.html
I have long agriculture experience and this was easy to predict
greed for the black topsoil as much as 12 meter deep (40 feet)
OK I know about most of those.
but a Air Force contact said she had not news of anything terrible
just sturm and drang serious village fights with Ukrops still lose ground overall, some ran away, left others
and several armor, tons of ammo..while the encircled Ukr have short supply ammo
this is other site, but american and many of main knowledge posters recently given time-out ban
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236054-Ukraine-discussion-thread-Veer-off-topic-at-own-risk/page8270
I am told new mod is heavy handed 37 year american and took good with bad out for 2 week which also pissed others off and have not returned yet, including several with good Rus military knowledge..one or two near fighting
Try "Military Maps" on Twitter, log in to the site, the major tank offensive is marked in real time south of Donetsk. These are NAF and Russia maps. Updated in real time.
Hi Jack Burton, thank you for your post.
Would you mind sharing some of your sources?
BTW, I 'felt' that the big one was coming, that this is the Ukie equivalent of the Hail Mary pass. What else can Porkyschenko do, other than follows Kerry/Lurch's orders?
I am thinking the link is called boots on the ground
may not be the type printed in publications
"Twitter". The NAF commander has a twitter account.
"Fort Russ" translates Russian articles on the war, and official NAF reports.
"Colonel Cassad" in Russian , but has a translated page. This is simi official NAF reports.
"Vineyard of the Saker" go anaylisis and links.
"Russian Twitter accounts in English" I follow a dozen accounts with close ties to Donbass, and NAF.
These offer more links to connect to many other sources.
militaryphotos.net ukraine discussion thread
this is american site, so expect that. Recently new moderator temp purged temporary banned many of best
posters lumped with bad. Normally several Rus with knowledge military and even two or three
very close to conflict.
militaryphotos.net ukraine discussion thread
this is american site, so expect that. Recently new moderator temp purged temporary banned many of best
posters lumped with bad. Normally several Rus with knowledge military and even two or three
very close to conflict.
The attack was expected and will be dealt with accordingly. Novorussia will win this war.
The last news I found is from Reuters who say
Ukraine's military said on Saturday that pro-Russian separatists had stepped up shelling of government forces and appeared to be amassing troops for new offensives on the key railway town of Debaltseve and the coastal city of Mariupol.
Can't see anything about the attack you mention. Link please...
The big one would include outside forces more then there is now.
But, it's comming.
But it does not look like Merkel and Francy boy are much into it.
So maybe Russia will just wait it out.
no Western or Russian reporting of this at 11pm pacific Sat.
Kursk 2.
Kerry in a German Field Marshall's Uniform.
Putin is 21st century Hitler, gobbling up neighboring territories. USA leaders should make a nationwide project involving all the best minds to find ways to kill off the Russians without triggering a nuclear exchange.
Probably best approach is some virus tuned to Russian genetics.
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Prober, you are insane with Hatred. If the Ukies tried to kill off Russians with a genetically engineered virus,, they would be also commiting suicide since their group genetics are almost identical.
In any event, Russia would invade and destroy the Nazi's even if that meant making Lvov a smoking hole. Moreover, the EU would secretly cheer, happy to see the crazy ukies annihilated rather than also be destroyed in a global war.
If Putin is Hitler, then why don't Ukrainian nazies wearing the swastika obey to his orders?
You my friend i hope gets deserted to an island full of mericans with your thoughts and they think you are Russian
Go ahead and inflate that bubble. I doubt you would have trouble selling it.
It sounds like a great plan to fool Americans into buying bullshit stocks of bullshit illusionary biotech companies that never produce anything but cartoons hosted by Ray Kurzweil The Magician.
<<Probably best approach is some virus tuned to Russian genetics.>>
Good idea.
Why don't you lick out this petrie dish and tell us how you feel?
are you an Alien Prober, one who kidnaps people and does kinky things to them in your space pod?
How about we get Soros the fuck out of Ukraine. He has no business being there.
Soros doesn't belong anywhere but an ummarked grave.
Feed him to the PIIGS!
How about we revoke his citizenship and tie him to a cluster bomb? Haha.
Include me out of your arrogant, presumptous, deluded and dangerous "our fault" group, you jet-cold-start murderer.
It is very clear to me that most of you people are not familiar with the way the US had become the once properous superpower that the think they still are.
Put aside that they are the most indebted nation in history, and that nothing brings a countries people together better than a false flag operation (911) or another war.
I strongly encourage you ill formed people to read some history of how the US aquired the world reserve currency, how they have become the richest country, why they closed the gold window.
Most of the riches came to them because they financed both sides of WWII (that is how they got the gold).
But I encourage you to read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" the US got it's wealth and power by raping and pillaging every country the they have set foot on, and they are trying to do the very same to Ukraine.
This is the only game they know and play!
They have one thing on their mind, control of the world.
and only Putin stands in their way
Putin... and the TEA Party
Hey, not all of us are part of the US!
Hmm... I guess Biden is still suffering from that foot in mouth disease.
Hey, I'm posting a selfie. It's like Kardashian's ass, except it's different.
This article appeared in Sputnitknews today. The Pentagon 5 days later. I sure hope I didn't gave Putin's secret weapon away to the West.
I'm mortified.
What if I gave away Russia's and China's secret weapon? I need a drink.
Merkel, and Hollande are well advised to meet with Putin.
Merkel, or Hollande, I'm assuming don't have the authority to go, or not to go nuclear, that will be left to some un-elected official in Brussels.
no wonder the ecb doesn't care if Greece exits, the BIS has penciled in a start date for ww111.
Seems the Greek crisis is keeping the heads turned from what may become a hot war-as in US involvement- in Ukraine.
I need not go into history fro the esteemed bloggers here on ZH, but we all know this continued threats by Biden Sr is either suicidal or homicidal for civilization.
Vlad, bow to the Anglo-Zionist Masters. Unless the Entire World is under their Fiat System, it all falls apart!
(no, don't really do it, Vlad, but please keep the nukes targeted at the Crooks, not hapless US citizens within their MRAP Police State!)
Does anyone else see all of these as final warnings to the West?
Lavrov now refers to us as 'colleagues' and not 'partners'; Putin is doing a Maggie Thatcher to Western globalism - No, no, no!; Various Kremlin policy documents are being leaked, look here and read some of the articles:
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1835.htm
Khibiny was used against USS Donald Cook as a warning, not a system test; three Kiev Tochka nuke capable ballistic missiles "broke up in mid-flight" heading for Donbass residential areas; one, maybe two nuke MCBM missiles heading for Damascus were liquidated in flight; large sink holes are appearing in Russia - looking alot like drill holes.
The Russians and Chinese want a multi-polar world and the clock is ticking for the end of the unipolar world.
The alternative is limited WW3 with EMP, Programmed Jamming and Directed Energy Weapons. Failing that, the fall back and blackmail position of the East is nuclear anniallation for us and since our weapons will all be fried, dissolved and microwaved in the first attack, I think we have been check mated.
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The Fallujah Option for East Ukraine
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/06/the-fallujah-option-for-east-ukra...