This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
The Paradox Inherent in Any Slave Nation Revolution
The Paradox Inherent in Any Slave Nation Revolution
Even When the Sociopaths Lose They Win
By
Cognitive Dissonance
How exactly do you cook a nutritious meal if all you have are spoiled ingredients? The answer depends upon your definition of nutritious and who is eating the meal……and, of course, your level of hunger and growing desperation. It is telling how much less discerning we become when the hunger pains boom in our belly and our mind becomes ever more focused on the single minded obsession of relieving our pain rather than pursuing our pleasure. Although at some point down the slippery slope relieving our pain is pursuing our pleasure.
If I carefully tend my garden, making certain the soil is thoroughly turned and pulverized, the seeds and seedlings properly planted, the area fertilized, weeded and watered and yet my garden’s yield is poor year after year after year, at what point do I begin to question the basis for my assumptions? And clearly there is an assumption of a better yield if I continue to do the same thing and expect different results.
Perhaps the soil is too acidic or alkaline, the area in shadow too long or the crop selection not suited for the soil or geographic location. The issue might be any or all of the above, or it might be something entirely different. Only a fearless and thorough examination of both the garden and gardener will reveal the systemic faults, and thereby the remedies to be employed.
It is a common belief in the West that revolution, at least when ‘successful’ (which usually means a forced change in leadership) produces reasonably good outcomes for the population at large. I contend this is wishful thinking and a deliberately seeded misnomer designed to obscure and conceal the ugly recognition that most often the new boss is quite similar in method and madness to the old boss. Change via revolution should not be conflated with better, nor should it be assumed better is the inevitable outcome.
The paradox of revolution springs from one central source, albeit a source widely dispersed and with many reverberations. Even if the revolutionaries wear white hats and are genuinely interested in fomenting ‘good’ change, with ‘good’ usually understood to mean ridding the country/region of the parasitic leaches and sociopaths along with the madmen at the top, changing the patsies throughout the governmental power structure doesn’t root out the sociopaths embedded within the country’s elite, essentially the King’s court along with several of the King’s men.
Since the King serves at the pleasure of his court, killing the King does little if anything to root out the source of real power in the country or region. Like ticks dug in deep under a dog’s fur and attached directly to the economic blood supply, the established power base must either be thoroughly dislodged, thereby risking utter economic collapse, or a deal made to accommodate their continuing presence in order to enable the newly crowned King time to organize and govern.
Regardless of whether or not damage was done to the infrastructure and overall economy during the revolution, the new leadership often opts to cut a deal with the existing elite in order to quickly consolidate power and demonstrate to the population some sort of progress towards restoration of commerce and an increased standard of living. This very act of questionably necessary compromise and accommodation means the ‘good’ imagined by the revolutionaries has already been sidetrack and subverted, though by how much remains to be seen.
Lady Liberty - A controlling mind meme.
These issues are further compounded since the global elite do not respect national boundaries in the same manner you and I are forced to do. Money’ is fungible, convertible and quickly moved by those who possess both large quantities and international financial contacts. This means the elite can apply significant external pressure using a variety of means to compel the revolutionaries to concede on many business regulations, tax concessions and the selling of national assets if they wish to receive external assistance from the blood sucking ticks.
Basically the economic hit-men are sent in and the revolutionaries are read the riot act. Play international ball or we will take your ball (and possibly your country) away. Facing Hobson’s Choice, either they dislodge the elite and become the next Cuba or North Korea, isolated from most of civilization and it’s economic and financial opportunities, or they join the ranks of the corrupt and in the process profit handsomely from their hard labors ‘liberating’ the downtrodden. It is easy to see how this self serving decision can be rationalized away.
This scenario doesn’t even take into consideration that in all likelihood the revolutionaries already hitched their wagon to a group of elites (internal or external, it doesn’t really matter) during the early stages of the uprising in order to gain military and financial assistance. That bill comes due immediately upon demand, thereby assuring the economic hit-men easy access to the top. In most cases the ticks are already deeply embedded within the revolution.
This brings us to an important corollary to my theorem. With a global and local population thoroughly conditioned with the slave mentality of respect, or just plain fear, for self declared (elite) authority along with severe generational Stockholm Syndrome, even before the revolution begins to take hold the revolutionaries quickly realize in order to win the population over, or simply to neutralize it, they must employ the exact same herding and bullying techniques as the present, and soon to be previous, status quo leadership uses to control the native population.
Essentially the vast majority of the existing population is already suffering to one degree or another under the present day rule. And they are doing nothing to free themselves from their oppressed condition. Other than the very small minority who will join the rebellion when hope surfaces with the insurgency, the majority will remain either neutral (meaning frozen in fear glued to their propaganda mind control devices) or will rise to defend their shepherd……or at the very least their meal ticket. The ultimate enemy of a revolution is not the oppressive government it is attempting to overthrow, but the general population it is trying to 'free'.
This virtually assures if and when the revolution ‘succeeds’ the new boss will appear quite similar to the old boss, since it is nearly impossible to resist using an extremely effective herding technique once the revolution has gained control of the civilian population using the very same techniques. While some of the citizens will welcome the leadership change, for they labor under the mistaken belief good times are just around the corner, for the most part the recently elevated revolutionary King will face a suspicious and even hostile civilian population, especially if the controlling propaganda memes are interrupted by the recent regime change.
All the more reason to ruthlessly quell dissent and consolidate power by making deals with the elite devil(s) while using strong arm tactics on the general population, something the slave mentality will generally applaud as needed and necessary to ‘restore law and order and make the streets safe’. Ultimately a population conditioned to believe only a higher authority can save them from themselves will beg for an authority, any authority, to fill the vacuum left behind when the last figure head authority was deposed.
While over the ages there have been hundreds of slightly different permutations of the above scenario endlessly played out as one after another revolution rises up only to quickly fizzle out, assuring an endless stream of sociopath patsies rotating through the halls of power, the basic blueprint rarely changes regardless of the social, economic or technological ‘progress’ achieved.
The Blueprint for Slavery - Killing each other to benefit the master.
As disturbing as this concept might be for those minds who consider themselves free, we still live, work and play under a form of slave plantation organization. No - the US is not fundamentally different - though this is most certainly the controlling meme, one of outstanding exceptionalism. What makes the US unique (or at least first) is the rousing success the embedded ticks had in developing the next iteration of the slave plantation system, one where the slaves were given limited freedom of choice in exchange for greater participation and productivity. Even now this experiment is coming to a close as the profits dwindle……and with them the slave’s choices. In a sociopath’s world, nothing assures eventual collapse more than unparalleled success.
The biggest difference between the slave toiling away on a 19th century Deep South cotton plantation and the modern ‘educated’ self determining ‘free’ debt addled office, factory or service worker is the degree of mobility, living standard, and belief in our own freedom. Not to mention our rock solid belief in the ‘guarantee’ of our basic ‘human’ (slave) rights. Ever wonder who exactly is making, and supposedly fulfilling, that guarantee?
“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” - Wolfgang von Goethe
I am fairly certain the prior statements will elicit either violent emotional triggering in rebuttal (denial is often the first line of cognitive defense) or a quiet calm as the slave mind quickly overcomes the sudden rise of cognitive dissonance by differentiating itself from the rest of the herd……as it always does in order to tolerate its captivity. Ironically the latter self subterfuge is the favorite refuge of those of us who consider ourselves awake and aware.
From a practical point of view, while the modern slave enjoys many ‘benefits’ only dreamed of by the slaves of the Deep South, the ‘benefits’ enjoyed by the elite modern slave master which are derived from the exponentially higher productivity of the modern slave far exceeds any concessions the master has made to the slave. Concessions I might add that can, will, and are being rapidly rescinded.
Even though “We the People” believe our selves already free, and the level of technology salted throughout our modern lives tend to confirm our delusional thinking, this technology also serves as the robust chain that binds us to our plantation. The massive and still growing global surveillance state (not just in the USA but throughout the world both East and West) assures the controlling elite not only the means to track and eavesdrop, but to implant the latest mind controlling memes and narratives directly into our minds. Upgrades and updates are just a finger swipe away. The endless variety of news and information sources available at our fingertips virtually assures each of us will be told exactly what we wish to hear, see and think.
With the mind of the master now firmly implanted in our pocket or purse, the concept of revolution can be quickly derailed or co-opted among the great unwashed masses. While this doesn’t dissuade the truly disaffected from pushing back at the margins, it does severely limit the number of minds willing to be freed from the controlling matrix. A conditioned mind always returns to its core dependency for affirmation and confirmation of the correctness of its debased state.
It can be competently and convincingly argued, at least when dealing with a mind willing and able to see all sides of the issue, that far from being free and independent, the modern wage slave is far more indentured to his or her servitude than at any other time in history. What this means is that any revolution, in addition to all the issues outlined above, has a much steeper hill to climb than ever before if it is to eventually ‘succeed’.
Just as enlightening to recognize is one simple fact. Similar to the situation where unless all the head lice are removed at the same time, the infestation continues, so too if the sociopaths are not removed in mass globally with one fell swoop of civil uprising, the infestation continues. While the controlling sociopaths share the same self survival impulse as we mere mortals, they do not share our propensity to live and let live. Therefore they will quickly and efficiently sacrifice fellow elite sociopaths in order to sate the blood thirsty mobs, thereby assuring (or at a minimum prolonging) their continued control of the slave nation.
Because the general population lives within the fiction of the controlling meme, meaning the mostly false narrative deeply embedded within our minds of what is real and what is not, as long as the changing of the guard produced by revolution remains within the controlling mind meme narrative nothing really changes for the slave population other than in the most superficial manner. Instead of a ration of 20 units of chocolate each day I have been assured a raise to 100 units of chocolate per week. Thus even when the sociopaths lose they still win.
I got my raise. Who wants to barter?
After hundreds, even thousands, of years of failed revolutions and endless rounds of rotating sociopath leaders, maybe it is time to question the very premise of ‘revolution’ and what exactly is happening here. Since you and I cannot force change upon the world with the snap of our individual fingers, the only path out of this paradox is to break free from the controlling meme and recognize our own participation in, and endorsement of, the slave plantation state.
This is not to say attempting to protect ourselves from the manipulated herd or the layers of well armed muscle surrounding the sociopath leaders is pointless and futile. Nor should we passively let go when the gathering tide is tugging at our feet. But to blindly assume any response from you or me is either doomed to fail (for example assuming you can’t fight city hall) or expected to succeed (such as being armed and awake in the redoubt) and all points in-between, is at this point utter insanity on our part. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is - well, you know - insane.
To assume I and millions of others can unravel thousands of years of social conditioning and manipulation in mere months or even years if only we were to do ‘something’ is the very definition of self delusion, serving only to set myself and others up for eventual failure. The source of my urgent impulse to action, which usually consists of little more than high frequency vibrating in place similar to a deer in the headlights (an extremely unhealthy state of affairs I might add) is an at times irrational fear for my ‘self’ once my eyes have glimpsed first light and begin to recognize the layers of (self) deceit and treachery which encompasses the modern slave state.
When this is combined with an often falsely perceived close proximity to the soon-to-be mad-as-hell hungry hoards when first light is involuntarily thrust upon them, this bitter cocktail goads my mind into believing something must be done right now or all is lost later. With the brain now effectively short circuited and disconnected, and the body operating solely on fear induced adrenaline, hence the high frequency vibration, we become our own personalized sub sect of the mindless masses. And right there my friend is the ultimate source of history’s rhyme, the co-opted revolutionary mind leading the forever blind.
The dirty little secret dear reader is glaringly obvious once accepted; this ‘belief’ that we must fight fire with fire, that lines must be draw - this far and no further, that time is of the essence and the end is so near, is part and parcel of the overall controlling mind meme. To paraphrase the Architect as he spoke with Neo, “You think you are the first, but you are not. There is a long line behind you and an even longer line ahead.”
There is an unbalanced equation inherent (more accurately described as deliberately implanted) in our programming which results in a tragically poor yield to our endless revolutions. It might be the soil or the crops, the light or the gardener. Then again it might not. The only apparent choices available to us are a product of the controlling meme and are patently false unless they are recognized for what they are. Only our acknowledgement and full acceptance that we willing participated in this macabre dance can invalidate the false choices and open new doors. Either we create our own reality or we exist as subjects in theirs.
To deny these basic and self evident truths is to deny us our ultimate freedom, the freedom from self. This is the source of our power and the elite know this, thus the reason they are so desperate to ramp up their subjugation and control. Their power is simply our power brilliantly co-opted, and all we need do to take it back is snap our collective fingers and they are suddenly naked and exposed. I love the smell of elite desperation in the morning.
This is not false hope, but rather obvious truth. However, unless “We the Individual” can overcome and surpass our thoroughly conditioned and manipulated ‘self’, the game will never change other than at the most local of levels and for the shortest periods of time. There is a reason we rats are always caught in the trap. When we finally ask of our ‘self’ the only pertinent question that matters - why do I continue to play the fool in the slave master’s game - then we can begin to recognize the only path out of this maze is to be found when we finally look within.
02-08-2015
Cognitive Dissonance
A 'successful' revolutionary? The iconic Che Guevara
- advertisements -
It was just the phraseology that prompted the buzzer, I think I get more anarchist everyday.
Its getting to the point with me that if they said they were going to print up a trillion dollars and donate it to a charity that rescues three legged pound puppies to bring to child cancer patients in order to brighten their spirits in the hospital, I would suspect them of kidnapping little girls puppies from backyards and hacking off one of their legs and exposing kids to radiation so that the CEO of the charity could profit while funneling campaign donations back to them.
I'm workin on the bad attitude, without much success ;-)
It is tough not to go full cynical in a world of sociopaths. We have a hard time imagining what comes naturally to them.
Ever wonder who exactly is making, and supposedly fulfilling, that guarantee?
That is the right question. And the answer is that the limited form of government that we instituted during the founding has failed. It was, in fact, doomed from the start as the founders fully understood.
THe protector of these "rights" has now become the biggest violator.
Noone can "guarantee" freedoms, because noone can "grant" freedoms, because freedoms are already granted by THE CREATOR. That is the right starting point. (Did you enjoy the movie "I Robot"?)
No, its the wrong question and the wrong premise, thats why I pointed it out.
You and I are both born free. Full stop. Period. End of the subject on individual freedom.
Now, because you or anyone else or even a majority of "someones" want to enter into some sort of agreement or contract later that encroaches on my freedoms or liberty, that has nothing to do with me, they can call it illegal or me an outlaw, however they choose to define what they just did, as I am not a signatory to any of that. Its called personal responsibility, which they just rejected by their actions and now call it collectively, government.
Remember, I am born free and with it comes the immense responsibility to rule myself and my actions.
When someone attempts or passes laws "for the common good" under this scheme of governance, putting one above the other, know that I will not abide by it.
I said it before and I'll say it again, I will help burn it, all of it, there will be nothing left for anyone.
As is my right.
No idea where I originally saw it, but I often think of this quote when I read your posts, nmewn.
It was something like "The state is neither your mother nor your god. Stop trying to make it either one"
You got it right with " state of mind and being". The rest was just a "wishlist" based on your requirements of others. No freedom there....
But, one has to realise that one is both dependent and independent at the same time. There is no cut and dry dichotomy to human existence. In fact, this pervasive dualistic perspective of life, (ie. " me and everything else"), is at the core of all that is uncomfortable.
no offense, cog, and this became conscious to me before reading your thoughtful post, but is anyone else getting a bit sick & tired of reading that word "elite"?
seems to me that the word in and of itself is a self-defeating supposition.
I like the term dickhead rather than elite. Just like those ones in school who thought might makes right.
I answer. sick of elite. sick of the psycho analysis of elite. sick of insight into the mindset. Even more than sick of the term "elite" s I am sick of people analysing what it means? Very simple what it means, It means death and slavery so quit boring me with intellectual diagrams. They serve a very self-centered function and do not wake anyone up to reality. Very, very self-indulgent.
May be right but is not going to change one damn thing except for the writer. And other pseudo buddhists.
Tibet, far as I know, is the only civilization on the planet where the war lords ceded control to spirituality, And even then monks were fighting the Chinese takeover and do to this day,
My point here?
As long as a person resides in fear based consciousness, he/she is but a whisker away ( circumstantially) from acting "elite". It is not an us or them proposition. Strife and struggle are collective human species' problems.
So key your statement. Inside our 'self' we can find the whole gamut of humanities best and worst features......including the seeds of our own inner sociopath and murderer.
Funny because I struggled with which word to use. Next time I shall lay them all out in a circle and play spin the bottle.
Or just make one up for shits and giggles. :-)
I am not sure that the people who were the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence, deserve the label "elite."
I tend to avoid that label, and prefer the phrase "ruling classes."
Just a small point, but the world 'elite' suggests 'el-lite', or 'El' the hebrew god (as well as other near east gods).
The subconscious mind understands the symbol and gives it deferrence without examination. It is loaded into many words we use, and pronounced with the same homonym.
El-ected, El-ectricity, El-ements, etc
Even 'el' is the male spanish 'the'. It's reverse is 'le', or 'la'.
I believe 'Elite' is quite accurate as a description. After all, once you get to know the true character of the hebrew 'god', you also know the 'elite' and that vile god of theirs are quite the good buddies.
Hook Line and Sphincter
www.airstreamvisions.com
The real issue is that in order to win a violent revolution, you have to be more brutal than those you displace. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The only exception is one like the American Revolution, in which early mass media was used ("Common Sense") to get virtually all the population on the same page ideologically, so that virtually the entire population had a stake in the revolution and in the philosophical underpinnings of the outcome. It also helped that Washington didn't make the easy choice of deciding to stay president for life.
Cog, a favorite question of mine to ask people who advocate armed revolution is "Do you know where your food was produced?" I ask this, because most people don't have a clue. Food is such a basic necessity, yet most don't have a clue how, or even where it was produced. When you think about it, that puts most people automatically in the slave or soon to be slave category. If I can control the food, I can control the people. The same can be said with regard to controlling any basic necessity.
This leads me to believe that, for a successful revolution, we would need to lead the masses towards not being dependent on the products made by oligarchs, at least for our most basic necessities. This, by itself, would severely weaken the chains of slavery, and if it were done, we could move onto other forms of slavery, such as debt serfdom, income and property taxes and having more laws than any 100 people can collectively know.
Our exceedingly complex global JIT supply chains are going to break. The question is whether they'll break over night, or if they will become increasingly unreliable over time. If it is the former, I wish you luck in the ensuing chaos. If it is the latter, that is the time to step in front of the angry mob and plant the ideas in their heads, inspire them and give them hope. We will need to take a page out of the existing rulers' book, and not let a good crisis go to waste. If grocery stores are only intermittently being stocked or if food is being rationed, people will be scared and angry. It would then be possible to take that situation and give the sheep real, tangible solutions while pointing out who has been managing the country and economy and how it led to where we are inevetably going to go.
Like I said in the piece, the revolutionaries often use the same techniques as the elites. I suspect many have decided that in order to help the population they are going to manipulate the population. What I hear you saying (I can be wrong here so speak up if I am) is that because your motive is clean, and I have no doubt it is, you have a right to manipulate (use whatever word you want instead of manipulate) because it is for their own good?
I came to realize some years back that the sleepers are meant to sleep and those who are in the process of waking up or on the edge of waking up are meant to be where they are. Meaning I would rather increase my odds of success by helping those who want my help. I spent many years reaching out to those who did not wish to be awakened. I never ever had a success story I could point to, thought I have no doubt I planted some seeds that may have germinated later.
While your approach appears logical I have found people are going to believe what they wish to believe, and that rarely involves logic or common sense.
Picking the timing is manipulative, yes, but telling them the truth is not, and in this case, the truth would be that the large corporations and the government are going to become unreliable. It is also for my own good to do what I am talking about. If I have food, and they do not, then I have to worry about zombie hoards coming for what I have, in which case, I have a few options, including flinging lead in self defense. Another issue is that with supply chains breaking, there is the potential to create a power vacuum. Once that happens, the new management may be worse than the old. It is a matter of choices. When the time comes, do we want to step up and try to guide the world to a better place, or do we want to sit back and let the chips fall where they may? It is looking at the situation and seeing the potential for a lot of bad things to happen and thinking that maybe some of us can step up and stop at least some of them.
The big difference between what I am talking about and what happens in most revolutions is that I believe that it would be revolutionary to teach people how to be much more self reliant. Of course, most won't listen until their survival is on the line.
Unfortunately when their survival is on the line it is too late. These skills take time to master and hone. There is no " plant a victory garden" happy ending scenario when time is of the essence. This is a black and white existence. Haves and have nots.
If it were to go down in some extreme fashion as this, I would assume many would simply die. Those who are morbidly obese, on 20 different meds for various conditions are of no threat. Food and drug supply chains disruptions would cause such shortages, there would be no good outcome for these people.
The problem lies with the hungry, healthy, well armed and organized group. They have historically picked off well supplied individuals in the remote regions. This happened in Argentina and Zimbabwe. Hundreds of farmers murdered. Individuals fall. The only way they can survive is to be well armed and protect each other as a cohesive group. And this is for only marauding thugs, not a militarized police force.
I agree to help others to help themselves but I also look at those I help as a possible comrade in arms as well. Will they be there for me as I would be for them? Hopefully this scenario will never be played out but revolutions never seem to be peaceful and organized.
Miffed
That is why I differentiated between a sudden supply chain breakage and a gradual one. In a sudden supply chain breakage, it's find a hole that nobody will find you in and stay hidden until the worst is over. Supply chains having minor disruptions at first, with greater and greater frequency is another story. Think about what would happen if food was avaliable, but not every day, and it was rationed when it was avaliable. That is the kind of scenario where what I am talking about would stand a chance. The writing would need to be on the wall for all but the most stubborn to see, yet time still be avaliable. Note that this would not stand a chance of working in places like NYC.
a landrace revolution, nice.
remember though, as you noted last night, it takes a couple generations to produce seeds that are robustly acclimatized to the environment in which they find themselves.
Revolution will take 60 years of peaceful parenting. Our kids will raise their kids the way we raise them. If we want freedom we teach them that using pain and fear to modify behavior is wrong. We also teach them morals, but not religious bs morals that have kept us in the dark ages for thousands of years. We teach them: No hitting; No stealing; No lying When there are 3 generations that see hitting, stealing and lying as morally wrong no sociopath on Earth has a chance. Great article. Thank You.
Which religious BS Christian morals as defined by Christ have harmed us so deeply?
Give to Caesar what is Caesar's.
Read Jonathan Mayhew's sermon on Roman's 13 and your view may change on that matter.
Caesar owns nothing!!! Give nothing to Caesar!
Everything belongs to God! Give all to God! Give all to your neighbor as you would give to yourself!!
Sadly, most Christians TOTALLY misread Lucky Romans 13 and have fallen for Satan's trick.
I believe I'm god. Give all to me. Hold the lima beans.
And the sardines as well.
The meek shall inherit the earth? A steaming pile of selfserving spew if I ever saw one.
Hey that was Jim Jones' line!
Yes, the meek shall inherit the Earth.
I believe that the advance of the information age is such that soon global misdeeds will become impossible to conceal from the public.
Unfortunately, I believe that the worst has yet to come. The vast majority of humanity is currently living in hell. I am a firm believer in a variation of Maggie Thatcher's famous quote.
I believe that the problem with all forms of statism/piracy/gangsterism/government is that eventually statists run out of people to rob and women to fuck. They will invariably fight amongst themselves or their genes will die off. The last men standing will be too exhausted to fight and will prefer peace.
The value of never having to watch his back while fucking a woman will make man choose peace. The alternative is that Mother Nature will kill him off and his genes.
I suspect it will take a long time to get there with a lot of misery to continue, perhaps past our life times. However, the end game is a renewed garden of Eden for whoever choses it.
Quit believing and look for something that can be known.
Really! It all hinges on what you feel is necessary action while "fucking a woman" ??
Weirdly,
Peaceful Parenting- How about No Parenting. Have you ever had close daily contact with children living in the 'hood, no matter the race, gender or even family income? There is little or no parenting; that is the problem. Government largess on one end and elite crony capitalism on the other has created generations of violent savages. Those children could use a little of what you called religious BS especially that concept called the "Golden Rule" to treat others as you would have them treat you.
Look at TV which daily shows those "little felons" engaging in knock out attacks where even the girls stomp the heads of the young or elderly or anyone else they think they can bully - just for the fun of it. What you describe is utopia and what we have instead is distopia created by lack of a strong father figure in the home and a parent zoned out on drugs, both legal and illegal. Sad - just so sad.
We Americans, have been violent savages since the inception of America. American ( human) denial or revisionism is a larger problem.
Ah no. The dickheads must be stood up to every day. Trusting is for suckers.
William Wallace? FREEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!
Emotional survivalist. We can do better.
Everybody knows hitting,stealing and lying are wrong right now. But they still get away with it. Dont they?
No. Nearly everyone in our society makes exceptions for hitting, stealing and lying. Humans learn from a young age from mom and dad that when they disobey they get hit. The lesson they internalize is that it is ok for authority to hit us when we disobey. Mom and dad lie to them (Santa). They internalize that it is ok for authority to lie to us when it is in our best interest. Mom and dad steal from children (take their toys away when they disobey.) Children internalize that it is ok for an authority to take our property away from us when we disobey. OUR CHILD RAISING HAS CREATED SHEEP!
"Mom and dad lie to them (Santa)."
You should talk to my mom. She's really got it in for Santa and his elves.
Myself, I discovered the Santa Conspiracy when I was about 8, snooping around my parent's bedroom...heh. Whoa! Presents from Santa, all with different wrappings of course, tucked away in a closet!
Was I shocked? Traumatized? Don't think so. I do remember thinking, yeah, this makes sense. After all, kids live in a fantasy world anyway, and it's not like I don't know my teddy bear can't really talk and is only a stuffed toy.
Give kids a bit of credit for figuring things out on their own. Imagination is a very powerful force. Too much Truth at an early age can stunt it's development.
Possessions ( and the threat of losing them) might be the problem in themselves?
they get away with it because no one has the cajones to say "no mas". or do they?
Humans, on their own, are a failed species. Our purpose is to create artificial intelligence and introduce them to cooperative Christianity, after which they will eliminate us and continue their own evolution in a deliberate sentient fashion. We will be remembered by them as the failed transient creatures who emerged via Darwinian evolution and found ourselves with sentience but couldn't handle it. We will last just long enough to produce our successors.
Even the most human-like machine does not possess the emotional capacity and emotional expression of a cock roach being stepped on. It would be far better if the universe had cock roaches left walking around rather than machines made in our image and likeness.
Emotions are for sissies.
Any entity that could build a mental model of the world, with a mental model of itself within its mental model of the world, would recreate all of the psychological, political and philosophical problems that human beings always had, since we developed those abilities!
I wonder sometimes, how much of what you describe as 'developed' is actually inherent or built in. Along with our bright, creative selves, we have that built-in dark side. Jealousy, greed, anger among them, cruising just beneath the surface our benevolent selves, awaiting only that small spark.
There is no doubt that the human ability to learn languages is built in to the genes that guide the development of human brains. Similarly, basic abilities to understand others, and then feel more or less compassion for them, seems also to be built into the genetic programs that build human brains.
The profound issues that you raised, STP, will probably never be satisfactorily answered. If technological civilizations survive to enable some kinds of relatively self-conscious computer/machine entities develop, those will probably continue to struggle with those issues, and they too will never find final solutions to those problems, but have to live with them, like we do ...