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Behind The Global Game Of Thrones
Submitted by Raul Ilargi Meijer via The Automatic Earth blog,
Greek PM Alexis Tsipras yesterday laid out Syriza’s stance, and from what I saw he didn’t pull even one punch. Despite all the suggestions from the financial press throughout the past week that Tsipras and Varoufakis reneged on campaign promises to seek debt write-downs, they didn’t, and never have – other than perhaps in semantics.
Which I don’t find the slightest bit surprising. I would have been very surprised if they had. The misinterpretation, and the faulty expectations, are easily explained through the fact that – most of – these guys are not politicians, which they very deliberately expressed in the way they dressed for their meetings with ‘Europe’s finest’.
They don’t see the ‘space’ career politicians see to negotiate away the mandate their voters have given them. For them it’s simple: we were elected on our program – which in this case happens to be to end the misery forced upon Greece by the European and Troika schemes -, and we’re not going to move away from that just because ‘the other side’ starts threatening us, or (a crucial difference in politics) because our voters may not vote for us again in a next election.
In their view, trying to scare Greece into even more submission, which is the overlying message emanating from Brussels and beyond, is entirely null and void because Greece can’t – and shouldn’t – sink any lower than it has. Very and refreshingly simple. No surprise there, but, at least on my part, just support and admiration. Syriza is fighting the fight many others don’t have the intellect, the chutzpah and/or the courage for.
The first thing they did, apart from hiring back the government offices’ cleaning ladies the Troika got fired, was to say they wanted nothing to do with that same Troika. That to me is the most important statement so far by Yanis Varoufakis and his crew. Because that goes to the heart of why Greece is where it is, and why the entire world is.
I saw a headline last night that said something like ‘Greece doesn’t want to talk to the EU’. But that’s not true. Syriza merely wants the IMF out of the picture. And then it would prefer to talk to separate EU nations and offices, rather than top down Brussels bureaucrats. Not just because of the Colonel Blotto game theory I talked about before, but because they recognize how insidious and ruthless the IMF is. I’ll get back to that in a minute.
The most remarkable ‘news item’ for me yesterday came not from Tsipras (or Greenspan), but from former French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who did something he would never have when he was in office. Sarkozy went against the grain of the official western narrative vis à vis Ukraine and Russia. He said what no acting French president could possibly say (including himself), because as president he would have been beholden to the US and NATO dictated doctrine, that Putin is evil, and Ukraine should be ‘liberated’.
Sarkozy: Crimea Cannot Be Blamed For Joining Russia
Crimea cannot be blamed for seceding from Ukraine – a country in turmoil – and choosing to join Russia, said former president of France, Nicolas Sarkozy. He also added that Ukraine “is not destined to join the EU.” “We are part of a common civilization with Russia,” said Sarkozy [..]. “The interests of the Americans with the Russians are not the interests of Europe and Russia,” he said adding that “we do not want the revival of a Cold War between Europe and Russia.”
Regarding Crimea’s choice to secede from Ukraine when the country was in the midst of political turmoil, Sarkozy noted that the residents of the peninsula cannot be accused of doing so. “Crimea has chosen Russia, and we cannot blame it [for doing so],” he said pointing out that “we must find the means to create a peacekeeping force to protect Russian speakers in Ukraine.” In March 2014 over 96% of Crimea’s residents – the majority of whom are ethnic Russians – voted to secede from Ukraine to reunify with Russia.
That is pretty close to 180º different from what the official western position is. Putin has taken note. Because it destroys everything the West, as represented by Germany’s Merkel and France’s Hollande, brought to the talks in Moscow this weekend (and Minsk today). More importantly, it throws out what NATO wants and prepares for. In the exact same way that Greece seeks to throw out the IMF.
And that is no coincidence. Sarkozy reveals his dismay at being told what to do, when he was in office, by the supranational NATO. Tsipras and Varoufakis refuse being told what to do by the supranational IMF. Same difference. Well, to an extent: Sarkozy did the NATO and IMF’s bidding when he was in office, Syriza never has.
Merkel, meanwhile, ceased resisting Mario Draghi’s mad €1 trillion+ QE program recently, and along that same vein she may today, as she’s talking to Obama in Washington, give up her resistance to the west arming Kiev. Which would be equal to a declaration of war against Russia. The pressure on her is obviously huge and increasing, but Angela should be smart enough to know that it’s impossible for Russia to stop looking out for the Donbass.
Because just about every Russian citizen has family connections in the region, who’ve been shelled by their own government for close to a year now. And if Russia were to retreat, chances are these people will be obliterated in very ugly ways. What Merkel should be demanding at the ‘peace’ talks is for not-so-very-democratically-elected PM Yatsenyuk and his shady government to step down, and nationwide fair elections to be held that include the Donbass. But she won’t.
And then Greenspan came, in what will probably be noted as one of his final lucid moments. The man who did so much damage seeks to atone for that while he still can. And do note that the Oracle was in charge of the Fed during the entire set-up and launch of the euro (yeah, yeah, he was a long term ‘critic’ – but not while it made his Wall Street banks a lot of dough off the project, just remember Goldman in Athens).
Greenspan Predicts Greece Exit From Euro Inevitable
The former head of the US central bank, Alan Greenspan, has predicted that Greece will have to leave the eurozone. He told the BBC he could not see who would be willing to put up more loans to bolster Greece’s struggling economy. Greece wants to re-negotiate its bailout, but Mr Greenspan said “I don’t think it will be resolved without Greece leaving the eurozone”. Mr Greenspan, chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1987 to 2006, said: “I believe [Greece] will eventually leave. I don’t think it helps them or the rest of the eurozone – it is just a matter of time before everyone recognises that parting is the best strategy.
Alan Greenspan has long been a critic of the European single currency. Now, the 88-year-old former chairman of the US Fed has repeated a claim that nothing short of full political union – a United States of Europe – can save the euro from extinction. Given that few (if any) of the current 19 sovereign governments which make up the eurozone would choose to create such an entity at this time, that means – for Greenspan at least – the euro is doomed. Before all that, though, he foresees Greece quitting the single currency, but the euro surviving intact.
Greenspan turns against what the Troika – IMF – wants the same way Sarkozy turns against NATO. Once you get them out of their official roles, turns out they’re not as stupid as they pretend to be when they were ‘in function’. That says something about the capture the ‘leaders’ are in, and also about the extent to which they actually represent their voters. Which is not a lot. And that’s the core of the issue.
The entire system has been pre-empted by, first, the wrong kind of organizations, second, the wrong kind of people, and third, the wrong kind of multinational corporations. As in, Wall Street banks, Big Oil, Big Ag -including Monsanto and Sygenta – and a few handfuls of the likes of GE, Boeing, a bunch of carmakers, plus Halliburton etc. They control the planet, they send us to war, they decide what does and does not go. And we’re not going to get rid of them until and unless we realize, loudly and screamingly, that they must go or else.
To illustrate this, please allow me to quote myself a few times from last year:
Oct 7 2014
Germany’s Bad Numbers Are Great News For All Of Us
Nobody in Europe has anything to lose from the demise of the eurozone, at least nothing that they wouldn’t lose anyway, but every single European save for a cabal of power brokers and narcissists has a ton and a half of happiness and self-fulfillment and independence to lose from the continuation of the failed project. [..] What’s wrong with the EU is the same as what’s wrong with NATO, the IMF, the World Bank.
They are institutions that start with noble ideals, but soon start to gobble up ever more power, and with no-one to hold them to account. That kind of structure in turn attracts a certain kind of people, the ones who don’t like to be held to account. And though I’m a little hesitant to include the US in all this, since its so much older, I certainly wouldn’t discard Washington offhand as a place where the wrong kind of people have gathered far too much power.
Oct 18 2014
Wealth Inequality Is Not A Problem, It’s A Symptom
.. the IMF, the World Bank, UN, NATO and the EU absolutely all fit the picture of organizations that have – happily – grown beyond our range of view, and that exhibit the exact same inverted pyramid characteristics we see on wealth inequality, only for these organizations it’s not wealth that floats and concentrates increasingly from the bottom to the top, it’s power. Wealth comes after that. And one shouldn’t confuse that order. Because power buys wealth infinitely faster than wealth buys power.
..but then we forgot, ignored, to check on them, and they accumulated ever more power when we weren’t watching.. And what we see now is that any effort, any at all, to break up the IMF, World Bank, UN, NATO and EU would be met with the same derision that an effort to break up the USA would be met with. We have built, in true sorcerer’s apprentice or Frankenstein fashion, entities that we cannot control. And they have taken over our lives. They serve the interests of elites, not of the people. So why do we let them continue to exist?.
Nov 8 2014
The Broken Model Of The Eurozone
I stumbled upon these few words in an Ambrose Evans Pritchard article the other day, and they hit me almost like some sort of epiphany, which in turn made me feel a little stupid, because it’s all so obvious. What Ambrose wrote (and this time I’m not making fun of him), was about the eurozone (EMU), of which he said:
The North is competitive. The South is 20% overvalued.
And I realized that’s all you need to know about the eurozone, and about why it will fail. Or has already failed, to put it more accurately. [..] Northern Europeans see their lifestyles being cramped from many sides in the ongoing crisis, and they would not accept more being taken from them to be handed to Greece. Even if 50%+ of young Greeks have no jobs, and over 40% of Greek children grow up in poverty. That’s not how the union was explained to them. And they would not have agreed if it had been.
The fact that Brussels has attracted a highly dubious breed of politician and bureaucrat certainly hasn’t helped, and still doesn’t. But it’s not the core problem. The core problem is that there never was a mechanism to reconcile the 20% differences, which means we’re fast on our way to 30% and more. Nothing anybody can do about that other than to leave the union.
Nov 10 2014
A World Run On Broken Economic Models
Leaders of entities like the US, the EU or China have little in common with the people they supposedly represent, and they don’t have to, nobody expects them to. The US midterms were mostly a a battle of the bulge, as in candidates’ bulging wallets. And on top large scale national politics we have created yet another, even more anonymous layer of power. UN, World Bank, IMF, NATO, there’s an ever growing collection of supra-national organizations that keep on guzzling up more power and more money every single day.
Like ‘smaller’ entities such as the US and EU, only more, the supra-nationals attract a certain kind of people, those that like to assert power without being held directly accountable. In structures that far exceed the human scale, they are like fish in water. And that’s why we should never accept having them in those positions. IMF and World Bank have a history of at best disputable and at worst very bloody interventions in nations across the globe.
We should have today celebrated the end of NATO along with that of the Berlin Wall 25 years ago. But it’s still there, and playing an active role in the flaring up of the Ukraine civil war. As for the UN, there should be a place for an organization like it, but not with the money gobbling corporate structure, serving shady interests, that it has today.
Our political systems don’t work. Our economic systems don’t work. We live on a steady – but hardly nutritious – diet of debt and propaganda. Our societies are no longer productive enough to allow for the numbers of intermediaries they have given birth to. But it’s the intermediaries who have more often than not taken up the most powerful positions in our societies. So they will fight, and initially often successfully, to keep their positions, at the cost of the more productive segments. It’s a mechanism that’s much easier to understand than it is to fight.
We, as in mankind, the human species, didn’t develop to have just a few of us take decisions for hundreds of millions of us. It is simply too much for our brains to comprehend, and that is true for both the brains of the rulers and of the ruled. For some of us, though, the brains developed in such a way that they are geared towards seeking maximum power over others. Those people are called sociopaths or psychopaths, depending on the case.
We’re not going to solve this the way we are. We need a much deeper and more comprehensive change to how we’ve organized our societies. Syriza understand this, and they’re acting on it, but they can’t do it alone, and besides their priority must be the Greek population, not the systems that are strangling the world, because that’s what they were voted into office for. We need to support them much more than we have so far, or both their fight and ours will end in defeat.
Supranational organizations will all tend towards developing dictatorial traits, both because of their very structures, and because of the type of people they attract to rise in their ranks.
I’m by no means the only one to say that NATO should be disbanded, Ron Paul made a passionate speech about it in 2008. The problem is that if NATO is not disbanded, it will run amok (it already has). NATO’s purpose was to defend Europe from the Soviet Union’s communist threat. When Russia was no longer a threat, some 25 years ago, the whole apparatus was still left intact, albeit with a few budget cuts, and so NATO went looking for a purpose. I give you: Ukraine.
Whether it’s NATO, or the IMF, or the EU, they’re all part of the same problem. A problem that won’t be solved as long as these institutions are in place. That is not possible. They are organizations that find their purpose in NOT solving problems, because once they’re solves, they no longer have a reason to exist. And they’re not going to volunteer to become obsolete. They’re going to find a reason to find relevance, even if that hurts whoever it is they’re supposed to represent.
We’re never ever going to find a solution to problems like Ukraine or the Eurozone, because we’ve – all over the world – allowed an alphabet soup of institutions to build up that we have no control over, and that we claim can and will solve the issues for us.
We have put the sociopaths in charge, in an international and largely anonymous dictatorship. Who really pulls the levers in the IMF, or NATO etc? We have no way of knowing. And that’s the problem. And that is what Syriza, and precious few besides them, are set to fight. And why they deserve – and need – our support. Because if they don’t win, we don’t.
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"Winter is cooming..."
Meh. Not scared.
-Haus Targaryen
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Why really knows...?
They expect us to trust with eternal blind faith.
No more benefit of the doubt for the rulers. ANY rulers.
Its not worth fighting for.
The people at the top are a small council chosen from Luciferian "Royal" families (Bush, Kissenger, the banks, the intelligence agencies, large corporations, big media etc. work for them) They view themselves as children of Lucifer and superior to us proles, who they view as children of Adam. That is how they justify all the abuse, enslavement, and murder of us proles. A warning, they are getting ready to thin out the herd (us) with WWIII in the near future, and enslave with technology whoever is left afterwards. Only thing that can stop it in my estimation is widespread understanding of the above facts among the general population and action taken by the people. Not hopeful, but still a chance.
...Descendents of Cain
I believe they view Cain as a product of Lucifer + Eve. So they ultimately view themselves as part of Lucifer's bloodline, and we are not. That's why lineage is so important to them. Had you heard that has well?
By the way I'm saying this is what actually happened, just trying to get an understanding of the Elite's worldview.
< Syriza will remain true
< Syriza will eventually sell out
I shit on a throne, not a fan.
Pointless fact....number 100000billions
RIPS
Remain true to what? Communism? Lord, I didn't sign up for this. OK, I get it, I always loved a good fight, I always love to win.
"My Starchild ancestor from thousands of years and hundreds of generations ago beats yours" kind of mentality?
Unless this space alien ancestor (under the public handle of Lucifer) is still around and assisting in some way, it's just a bunch of glorified, organized superstition, isn't it?
I don't really know what happened, but the important thing is that the Oligarchs use the belief that they are decended from Lucifer and we are not, as basis for their superiority over us, and as a justification for their mistreatment of the "little" people.
"The Armageddon Conspiracy," M. Hockney
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King Solomon is one of the Bible's most famous figures, responsible for building the Holy Temple that housed the Ark of the Covenant. Yet Solomon died as an apostate. How could a man fabled for his wisdom reach the conclusion that God was false? The Armageddon Conspiracy reveals the answer to this greatest Biblical mystery. The Temple of Solomon was not the house of God at all but a special chamber designed to contain a unique weapon, for which Solomon had the most astounding purpose in mind. Solomon, a man obsessed with witchcraft and magic, believed he had found the key to the supreme mystery of life, but he died before he could complete his mission. The world's oldest secret society, of which Solomon was the Grand Master, still exists and now its members are about to perform the final cataclysmic ceremony Solomon ...
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It's like Greek marriage:
At St. Peter's Coptic Church, they have weekly husbands' marriage seminars.
At the session last week, the priest asked Giuseppe, who said he was approaching his 50th wedding anniversary, to take a few minutes and share some insight into how he had managed to stay married to the same woman all these years.
Giuseppe replied to the assembled husbands, 'Wella, I'va tried to treat her nicea, spenda da money on her, but besta of all is, I tooka her to Italy for the 25th anniversary!'
The priest responded, 'Giuseppe, you are an amazing inspiration to all the husbands here! Please tell us what you are planning for your wife for your 50th anniversary?
Giuseppe proudly replied, "I gonna go picka her up."
And that is exactly how we should be treated by politicians and bankers. Leave us alone for the next 25 fucking ytears.
That put a smile on my face. Thanks for that!
"We have put the sociopaths in charge"
Interesting. Sociopaths, by their nature are going to seek power and domination. The system political as currently designed really invites sociopaths only to apply. Corporate politics are worse (if that is even possible?)
The corporate world is well-known to attract people with pyschopathic tendencies. Their inability to experience feelings of empathy with other living beings causes them to thrive in such dog-eat-dog environments.
WTF is the Game of Thrones? Some stupid TV show?
I got no clue either. I threw my TV out of the house over 10 years ago. I do sometimes watch at people I know and then realize how it came about that they are so stupid. The filth, the stupidity that is shown nowadays on TV causes the decline of our societies. Large parts of society watch other people do a little song and dance; watch people live and play in completely artificial settings called 'reality shows' or watch utterly violent and unrealistic programs. It is meant to keep you dumb, docile and obedient. It also serves as a way to entice people and to incite hatred for 'the other one'.
TV, the drug of a nation.
watch this 2 minute clip from Game of Thrones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab6GyR_5N6c
It was a book first, what don't you read?
Probably nothing written recently, except for Playboy.... Great articles..... LOL
"Kill the sociopath elite" trending on google, They are just getting nervous
http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath
WAR IN THE DONBAS
Russians find it amazing and absolutely crazy that the western "leaders" have apparently convinced themselves that the Russians will "blink" and let Obama scare them into not standing up for the Donbass. The mood is "if you really want a fight, then we will give you one".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XIAUjsrPD7Q
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/
Thought the youtube video was good. But it suffers from the same fantasy others do. That this not a sign of Putin's strength but of weakness. Putin is not even willing to directly confront the problem.
Yesterday the big news was that Putin would put a base in Cyprus. I got excited at that even though I know Putin will never engage NATO. But the exhibiting of some strength by presence would help Russia replace those allies that Russia abandoned and are now destroyed. But in less than 24hrs phone calls were made and Putin retreats back behind Russia's borders. It took less than 24hrs for Putin to be bitch slapped. Putin trys to save face by declaring the words of Cyprus and Russia were just misunderstood and they never indicated a base would be occupied. Less than 24hrs.
Putin may be riding a bear around like in the video but he is riding it while being pursued. At this point I doubt much will be gained from the situation in Greece either. Merkel might prefer for sanctions to be lifted and Ukraine avoided but she is only willing to make a political show of talks. Did Germany vote for or against the extension of sanctions?
I fear the EUke's are going to get hit by a new and greater level of attack and it will be supported and planned well. Putin could have put a stop to it (and yes the west caused it) before now. Putin will not enter the fight.
Feel free to test his weakness personally, any time that fits you. I'm sure the ukies are in no position to refuse any volunteers...
You must not forget the psychopaths that you are dealing with i.e. US. Even though Putin is strong you don't just fu*k with a psychopathic US .gov.
They love a good war, remmember a lot of congressman have shars in the MIC. and a new war is a gain in personal wealth for them. One day this may change if a war on ameriacn soil happens.
CNN call ukraine army pro-us troops
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9ac3byCAAEuly4.png:large
Syriza is sociopaths. Lets not forget who you are pulling for. One is not better than the other. You are just hoping your enemies at this point destroy each other, leaving you as the last man standing.
As in every country the politicians (in Greece) gave free shit away to get elected, even when they knew they were taking on so much debt it would bury their country. For this th Greeks are culpible as they elected those politicians, didn't pay taxes and lived of the tit of government. On the other side however were the predatory lenders, fully aware of the problems that Greece would confront and fully aware of the risks. So the banks made terrible loans to a country that they knew could not afford to pay them back and they did it with our money. So the banks are guilty in this matter as well. What you have is corrupt people doing bad things to get elected and then you have corrupt people doing bad things to help keep them in power. I say fuck it, bury them both. I say Greece should cut the cord and fuck the maniplations of the big banks and end their stranglehold on everyone. Greece will have a mess to sort out, but it will probably be a lot less painful in the long run if they say fuck off to the EU.
I say fuck them all myself. So I agree with you. Maybe how I stated my feelings towards this whole issue came off the wrong way but I think people forget they are pulling for a communist regime who will gladly fuck the people for their friends and one is Soros. Sorry if I disagree with the majority of ZH'ers about a communist party called Syriza being the fucking unicorn they are hoping for.
I'm in full agreement. The Greeks need to solve one problem at a time. First they need to end their dependence on corrupt politicians and bankers. Then they will learn what a disaster socialism and communism truly is...it did not take Venezuela long to learn the lesson and it will take Greece even less time. We both know there are no unicorns.
Yep and the down votes happening on this article indicate their is a bunch of commies patrolling these waters. Lets hope it ends well for them and the Greeks are able to become the envy of Europe in a few years. Thats what I want to see for the Greeks.
Well, if we're gonna do Game of Thrones, can we at least re-enact that Red Wedding scene, with the bankers assuming the roles of the folks on the Tully/Frey guestlist?
"I wouldn't discard Washington as a place like that."
Referring to a haunt for people attracted to power without accountability.
No, I wouldn't ether, I'd call it THE HEADQUARTERS
I think a bit of caution about putting the new Greek FinMin or PM on too high a pedestal is warranted at this time.
I'm just saying this from experience. That's all. Telling the EU and the Troika to go pound sand does not stop Greece's immediately pain (at the political or man-in-the-street level). In fact it makes it worse in the short term. And Syriza knows this.
meh, i think i would rather be fucked in the ass a few years verses being a slave for life. no way out of the grip of fate and long term pain will unsue...for the banker cartel.
Agreed. Heard, but not verified, that Tspiras himself comes from some "money" family. Time will tell whose interests will be served. Remember all those promises from magick knee grows?
I suppose its alright if you never have to worry about money and putting fucking bread on the table Raul.
Come and live my life son, the lies have gone to far mate. I mean this in all seriousness, come and live one week of what I have to, me my wife, and my two kids, and smile on the Saturday when you get the pay you are due.
When this goes pear shaped, you will have ample excuses for people losing their minds. Or fucking fighting back.
:-)
i think it's safe to say we all know who the true fockers are, they end in rothschild, rockerfeller and bush, throw in a few other familys and there you have it.
Bush family is a mid level pawn. They are not even on the same level as the other 2. Even the other 2 has a boss.
they're not as "mid level" as they would have you believe. they are just out in the open because they wanted to play president among the gang.
The owners stay out of the public as much as they can. They have pull but no more than the Clintons. This is what the owners would call fall guys. They make you think you landed a big fish should a revolution occur.
The people at the top are a small council chosen from Luciferian "Royal" families (Bush, Kissenger, the banks, the intelligence agencies, large corporations, big media etc. work for them) The view themselves as children of Lucifer and superior to us plebes, who they view as children of Adam. That is how they justifiy all the abuse, enslavement, and murder of us plebes.
A warning, they are getting ready to thin out the herd (us) with WWIII in the near future, and enslave with technology whoever is left afterwards.
Only thing that can stop it in my estimation is widespread understanding of the above facts among the general population and action taken by the people.
Not hopful, but still a chance.
I agree they are luciferian and I agree the Bush's are apart of it. I just have them more mid level than shot callers. I think we all know who their boss is.
Damn, I thought the Bush family were Jewish
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qUFDMUpk9jE/Scq4f345QYI/AAAAAAAAQzU/D70zWyoWlN...
oh, wait a sec...
Just check any list of the world's richest. If they are listed, they aren't owners.
If a low level guy like me knows their name - they are not in charge. I recognize all those names
Who's in charge?
Could it be..........Satan?
Supporting communists to overthrow a different leviathan government? No thanks. Just because they are newly elected doesn't make them better - look how awesome the newly elected republican congress is overthrowing everything Obama does....oh wait.
I agree 100% but some people around ZH just don't get it. Its either govt trolls or the new flock of folks who are so green they have no idea what is going on. Most people are easily persuaded in believing someone is always going to save them from some other bad people. It has worked for a very long time. It even works right here on ZH.
At least the Greek population had the guts to try something new. At least they had the guts to challenge the status quo. What do Americans do but argue about who is better - the left or right. If the Greek populace brings down the European Union we owe them. The goal is to consolidate the world into regions and then meld them into one with unelected pyschopaths at the helm.
You can be critical but what have you done to move your country away from the one party system with two branches. The one party is the moneyed party. Greeks saw a chance to stick it to the real thugs- give them that at least. You really think getting out from under the thumb of the central bankers can be accomplished by having a bunch of canned food and ammunition. They are not going to leave voluntarily.
I feel I have done a lot to change my country. I can't force a population of idiots to change. They want free shit. Its hard to compete with free. Isn't that exactly what Syriza is offering. Do we know for a FACT that Greeks are fully aware of the pain they will face exiting the Euro even if temporary pain. Are the Greeks ready for that. The same can be said for the USA when change can truly be made. Will the population be ready for the short lived pain. Nothing is free.
That is a missed point. It is the destruction to the EU experiment that is interesting, for most in my opinion. The new commies will sink that place, just in their own fashion.
How many people will suffer from the old commie regime with this new commie regime? Thats why I do not understand how we ZH'ers who want to be truly free even support a party. We hate parties around here. We know its all bullshit so what makes Syriza any different. These assholes in charge have shown everyone of us how far they can stretch the bullshit. Who is to say if Greece does exit, the EU can make unicorns shit skittles for another 5 years before having to face this monster. Bankers manipulate and bend rules in their favor. They are very good at selling us shit with a bow. Do not underestimate this evil group of men.
Speaking of Unicorns Shitting Skittles:
1) Maybe the People of the PIIGS are more family oriented and haven't had the Industrialization after WWII since the the US Sugar Daddy didn't give it to them
2) Maybe Germany & France & UK had US Sugar Daddy after WWII
3) Maybe the PIIGS never fully Industrialized before the period of Free Trade Agreements that exist in robust form in both the Pacific and in the Atlantic
4) Maybe Keeping Investment Down is both a strategy to short a "Nation" and to keep Wages in the Labor Force Low
5) Maybe Economics is about picking the winners & losers, we can't have high demand for manufacturing jobs as that means that wages & compensation go too, much too high... and so we can't industrialize very quickly, and we want to pick the unskilled workers as losers... since we will enjoy the high compensation rate of "winners"
6) Picking losers is about cutting costs, mergers, arbitrage, out sourcing, open borders, off-shoring, decapitalization of industry, off shore banking, looking for bank holiday for off shore revenues
from article above:
" Northern Europeans see their lifestyles being cramped from many sides in the ongoing crisis, and they would not accept more being taken from them to be handed to Greece. Even if 50%+ of young Greeks have no jobs, and over 40% of Greek children grow up in poverty."
- After WWII, Germans, French, Belgians, they see the state having changed, reparation having been made, healing worked, culture changed, history changed, they are fully in their glory, and they are ready for the 21st Century... PIIGS are not ready for 21st Century... PIIGS are losers
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http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2015/02/03/ukraine-run-by-miserable-jews/
These aren't "robin hood" electorates fighting the evil central banks for the good of all. They're communists, who have absolutely no problem with central planners, central banking, and central authority. Their motivations are simple, they want 'free money', bailouts and loans but they dont want to have to pay it back or restructure in any way that might make them productive.
brushhog- they were elected by the people and until they actually do something that smacks of communism I wouldn't paint them with such a broad brush. Last I read not all citizens' money was rounded up and put toward the state's decision to divide it equally. I haven't heard of private property being confiscated by the state. I haven't heard that all the feta cheese and olive production will be divided equally among its citizens. Perhaps you are reading otherwise- if so please list your sources.
I can't really respond to the other guy who thinks communists are in control of US and/or Europe. Angela Merkel is communist in origin, she can't claim Christian Democrat Association if she was in Communist East Germany. But who the hell believes in Communism? The Racket of Communism is one that benefits the Elites who in Communism get all the benefits while the people slave at constructing the country.
But was going to respond to other ideas.
How do you define Communism? Sharing money or resources while having a central based economy, central planning of the means of production...
The elite exist in all governments. Even in monarchy you have court intellectuals, bankers, and religious leaders who benefit as Elites. The International Hotels in the USSR mostly had contraband goods to sell to the foreigners and communist elites... Western Goods at that.
Cronyism is not new or unique. Corruption is not new or unique to any government. The USA is not free from Cronyism or Corruption. Do you think Banking Schemes are unique to Western Europe or the USA or Latin America? Bankers supported Revolution in the USSR, so surely they would expect great rewards, contracts, and interest on their loans. You might say it is the same with IMF Loans all around the world!!! Or war loans to British, French, Germany, USA, Confederate army, Mexican Army, or whatever.
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"Readers of entities like the US, the EU or China have little in common with the people they supposedly represent, and they don’t have to, nobody expects them to. The US midterms were mostly a a battle of the bulge, as in candidates’ bulging wallets. And on top large scale national politics we have created yet another, even more anonymous layer of power. UN, World Bank, IMF, NATO, there’s an ever growing collection of supra-national organizations that keep on guzzling up more power and more money every single day."
Global financial mafia starts a new war on Greece
most of – these guys are not politicians
seriously?
The Nexus of the Pax America construct as defined by Reaganomics and Thatcherism : Its the Oligarchs who will run the people.
And that...is a reversal of the Jeffersonian meme !
Choose your camp as this is a race to bottom.
Sociopaths are always in charge. They want power more than the rest of us.
But what I don't get is, what's the achievement? So the globalists win... they finally gain rule over the whole of the world. But what do they get to rule? If all that's left to lord over is a wasteland of stupefied sheep, how satisfying is that? I can see how the masked sex orgies would be fun, and maybe the occasional ritual sacrifice, but if the Great Game's great reward is conquest of the weak... what's so great about that?
I'm not really into fantasy, unlike our purveyors of unsound money at the Federal Reserve of Braavos and the Iron Bank of International Settlements. Game of Thrones is just too absurdly nerdy... what with its depiction of an international banking cartel allying with a guild of assassin-enforcers to fund the western war machine, foment conflict between its debtor parties, and monopolize the war reconstruction economy. I mean, "willing suspension of disbelief" only goes so far!
We are NOT slaughtering all these people in Ukraine for their health you know.
Plan A....get Russia to play with nuclear toys in Syria
Plan B... shoot down MH17
Plan C...start sending mercs into Ukraine and start the slaughter
Plan D...get the reactionaires to support a Nuclear War with the help of the presstitutes
Plan E...Get all the Drillionairs on board and kill Russia's oil market
Plan F...False flag on Amerikan soil, and blame Putin for not playing along with plan A through E.
All of the above sounds rite yippie kia mutherfuckers
The troika will not give up their gold.
Greece has one of the largest gold deposits in Europe (potentially.)
Nationalize the Banks, nationalize the mine. Start drilling for natty. Print drachmas backed by the gas not the gold.
Go fishing.
Hang sign on wall..."gone fishing" in case folks are wondering.
This doesn't seem very complicated to me.
careful, they got new fishing laws;)
you can fish empty the sea with big ships, but dont dare to fish alone on the shore...
New boss same as the old boss. Where is Zues he will take care and put the lazy entitled grrek people and straighten the whole thing out. Word of advise to all IF MAN DOES NOT WORK MAN DOES NOT EAT WHY ARE PEOLE ENTITLED TO RETIRE AT 50 Come on people stop the bullshit and put an end to a he games.
50 is not an unfair age at which to retire - depends on what you saved, and can save, and how much longer you expect to live... not to mention if you expect to live cheaply. If I work hard now and live super-cheap at 50+ I could retire at 50. Then again - if I'm fit at 50 why would I retire? Once you stop moving around, keeping mind and body busy... you waste away. You can't spend years or decades doing nothing and expect to stay healthy.
May as well work, even if it's your own business of some sort.
Yes but those who dont work didnt save should not retire at 50 this is Greece we are descussing so I guess trolls giving that 2 down arrows?
Apparently, you enjoy being made a fool as well.
But is that the case? Those who can't save because they are robbed, and those who did save by banking into a pension which is then erased, they saved but are robbed.
So far I've seen nothing saying Greek people were getting a free ride. I've seen plenty showing they were robbed by Goldman Sachs and their politicians.
Now you are just being intellectually lazy. Someone handed you a big pile of steamy shit and you couldn't wait to put it in your mouth.
I can't believe someone is still spouting the false meme of the "lazy Greeks all retiring at 50."
All those international institutions mentioned were set up by the US at the end of WW2. The lesson that history tells us is that people don't learn anything at all from history, and one fundamental fact is that all social institutions human create eventually go away.
This Raul guy is on a roll!
To get back to the inception of the game of thrones post WW2 and at beginning of Cold War rivalry : it began with a phrase that rang accross the globe when the CIA was born to execute the US's clandestine Mafioso games : WE'VE LOST CHINA ...was what was said when Mao knocked out Chang Kai Chek.
It started the US implication in Nam, as "lost" China's soft under belly, to solve the disaster of ally France's debacle at Dien Bien Phu.
And it led in the wake of that US Apocalypse now type disaster to the ping pong game and Dear Henry's Detente to bring China back into the capitalist game. We know how after Deng Xiaoping got elected it became a Chinese obsession to ape the US capitalist and how that flowered with Bush/Clintonian NWO outsourcing meme supposed to enrichen the Reaganista Oligarchy class, now lords of the world, thanks to slave labour arbitrage. It ended up making Chinese Oligarchy as powerful as hegemon, as top creditor nation of the USD "nominal" hegemony.
Well...in the winter of Neo-con America discontent, in post Lehman debacle, here is an ironic twist to US hand wringing in elitist circles, that, if it were not criminally pathetic, would be ironically hilarious in hind sight : (enjoy) !
http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-hundred-year-marathon-excerpt-2015-2
The real rulership goes deeper even than the “deep state” - according to this talk by Jarrod D Schneider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-W6nR4p0LQ
It is a very thorough talk well worth anybody’s time - there is bound to be aspects of it assisting the quest for most truth orientated people.
This is how Jarrod describes it:
A preliminary talk about Transhumanism (part one of two), viewed from a holistic, philosophical, and occulted perspective. Perceived through the Hegelian Dialectic (problem, reaction, solution), Transhumanism reveals itself to be a reactionary cultural and intellectual movement spurred on by the problems caused by the contemporary paradigm of Scientific Materialism and Technocratic Atheism, in order to usher in a post-human future, a one world monoculture that will see humanity united within a technological hive reality, controlled in total by an occult ruling class. As the sole creators of human reality, the occult rulership would achieve a self-deluded godhood, a left-hand apotheosis, fulfilling ancient aspirations to seize total authorship of collective human destiny.
Topics include:
-Transhumanism Defined
-The Nature of Truth
-The Mission of the Planetary and Human Spirit
-Material and Immaterial Reality
-Primal Essence
-Darwinian, Linear Evolution vs Spiritual, Cyclical Evolution
-The Fall of Man into Matter and Generation
-The Return of Matter into Spirit
-Latent Divinity
-The Technological Suspension of Natural Human Evolution
-Hive Mentality, Groupthink, and Collectivism
-Transhumanism and the Hegelian Dialectic
-The Cult of Scientific Materialism
-The Structure of Scientific Revolutions
-Historic Myopia
-Scientific Evangelism and Technocratic Atheism
-Expertology
-Technological Messiah
-Self-guided Evolution
Created with insight from the works of:
Neil Kramer
Helena Blavatsky
Mark Passio
Manly P. Hall
James Corbett
Mathew Hancock
Thomas S. Kuhn
Sophia Smallstorm
and Aaron Franz
Don't be absurd.
99% of humanity will go transhumanist if you stick an Apple logo on a thing which goes inside them / attached to their eyeballs, etc.
It's not because they're in a cult - it's because they're really dumb cows who want to be branded.
Step up & mooooo
Syriza is the IMF TPTB The NWO, they are a bankers wet dream, willing to pledge all of the private property in Greece to fund 1 more years' orgy
Nato,UN, IMF etc, and finally the EU were designed to sit behind and boss around national governments, the question being - at whose whim?
"Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of oppulence from the lowest barbarism but peace, easy taxes and a tolerable administration of justice; all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things." - Adam Smith
It's hard to clean house when the landlord is a drunken, brutish, slumlord moneychanger from hell.
He also said "Money is a matter of belief." Believe in yourselves Greek brothers. It's now or never.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkMVscR5YOo
Great post, simply great post.
There are many reasons why societies and rules are formed like seeking protection against enemies, share and optimize duties and performances through specialization etc... However the main reason behind all, is essentially to be able to use the community to overcome the limitations of each single individual for the benefits of all. Nowadays we are spectacularly failing this simple goal...
Not to be a dick but...
When you put this level of unaccountable power into the hands of ...well... ANYONE, JUST WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT????
Is the sociopath the kid with the matches and gasoline or the idiot who keeps giving the matches and gasoline to the kids?????
The RULE OF HUMANITY is:
EVERYONE wants something for nothing.
The RULE OF REALITY is:
Someone ALWAYS has to pay for all 'somethings'.
Fucking EXCELLENT!
wow. sarkozy is suppoting russia . interesting!. me thinks marie le penne just got a boost from american investors.
u write, they accumulated power while we werent watching.
well, they like to do the important talks behind closed doors...
does anybody have a hint, if there will be WWIII?! something like numbers about how much they would earn with a war, how much they would lose? i know,: difficult.
Most European countries once were 'supranational' organizations before the term nation began to denote the union of regions. And while it's true that many of them developed dictatorial traits at one time or other, they all eventually became democratic and free.
So why assume or conclude that supranational organizations always tend towards tiranny?
It is a power issue. The transnational organizations he is talking about, have no power balancing them, or able to limit their actions. Accountability was lost, sadly....
All these Cons, Scams, Financial Schemes... you don't know if you are being ripped off when you buy a home, invest retirement or pension funds, invest Trust fund for a university, or invest for a Hedge Fund.
- The IMF & WB Solution is only suitable for someone who is still comfortable, financially not in a panic
- Greek Bailouts where not Bailouts, but were loans from countries or the EU or the IMF to cover the losses of banks, investors, or countries that engaged in risky behavior
- Bailouts: Free Money, Grants, Rich Uncle Type Payoff of Debt, or Governments convincing creditors to a country with $350 Billion in Debt to take huge hair-cuts, like $300 Billion in Hair-cuts
- But what we saw was Eu, Member Countries & IMF making loans with interest for a profit, for power, for control, for status, for access to real estate, building sales, island sales, historical assets sales, museum sales, bridges & highway sales, water ports, air ports, military access, pipeline assess, leases on strategic locations... hegemony
Wow. Wish I could Write like this!
".. the IMF, the World Bank, UN, NATO and the EU absolutely all fit the picture of organizations that have – happily – grown beyond our range of view, and that exhibit the exact same inverted pyramid characteristics we see on wealth inequality, only for these organizations it’s not wealth that floats and concentrates increasingly from the bottom to the top, it’s power. Wealth comes after that. And one shouldn’t confuse that order. Because power buys wealth infinitely faster than wealth buys power.
..but then we forgot, ignored, to check on them, and they accumulated ever more power when we weren’t watching.. And what we see now is that any effort, any at all, to break up the IMF, World Bank, UN, NATO and EU would be met with the same derision that an effort to break up the USA would be met with. We have built, in true sorcerer’s apprentice or Frankenstein fashion, entities that we cannot control. And they have taken over our lives. They serve the interests of elites, not of the people. So why do we let them..."
This is all True!!
Most westerners grow up hearing that "God created the heavens and the earth." Not many stop to ask the question, "Then who created God? And why?" Religion is an incredibly effective way to control the masses and it would be interesting to know who controls and directs the vatican. Probably the same people that direct the IMF, WB etc.
To get on the same first page of any theological discussion, one must first come to a mutually agreed upon definition of the word, God.
As for this survivor, on the forum table is placed the word Love as the definition of God. No moar, no less. It fits in with every discussion thereafter.
And agreed, religion was co-opted by the same babylonians that are co-opting the world today for control, and evil related agendas. The moneygod has held the slave chains of the stupid for centuries too long. Times are a gonna change...one day at a time.
MUST VIEWING.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ8DkeabDKc
Europe can get worse. Debtor prisons in the USA which then charge room & Board for your time in Prison.
"At issue is the practice, common in the St. Louis area’s 90 municipalities, of jailing those who can’t afford fines for low-level offenses, such as traffic violations. If tickets go unpaid, people are summoned to court and arrest warrants are issued if they fail to appear in court."
"In effect, this debtors-prison model has propped up many small municipalities that rely financially on this system."
"Many people avoid court fearing further imprisonment or a higher fine, the lawsuits state, alleging other flaws in the court system, including the casual alteration of court times or warrants filed against those incapacitated in a hospital or even in jail. For those with infractions in multiple jurisdictions, a trip to one municipal jail will likely be followed by a visit to another seeking its own fine payments."
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“I’ve been trying to imagine a way out of this for years,” said Herbert Nelson Jr., 26, one of 15 plaintiffs in the suits. Nelson’s past charges include misdemeanor possession of marijuana but mostly a bunch of driving violations like failing to wear a seatbelt.
http://rt.com/usa/230739-ferguson-fine-jail-lawsuit/
Ilargi,
Never fall in love with a politician,,,they'll break your heart every time.