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Obama & Merkel 'Agree': No Prospect Of "Military Solution" In Ukraine

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"Success is anything but certain," warned Germany's Merkel during the uncomfortably un-united joint press conference as both the leaders appeared to be able to agree on only one thing - that a military solution will not happen. This was followed by what appeared to be President Obama conceding to Merkel that the provision of arms to Ukraine was kinda sorta 'off-the-table' - though still under "ongoing analysis."  Hopes remain for a diplomatic solution and President Obama even concluded, "we are not looking for Russia to fail. ... Our preference is for a strong, vibrant, confident Russia." Other items that caused some tension included Iran, Israel, NSA "trust" and US asking for "benefit of the doubt," and Greek anti-austerity plans...

 

 

Obama's comments...

  • *OBAMA SAYS RUSSIA-UKRAINE AND ISLAMIC STATE DOMINATED TALKS
  • *OBAMA: RUSSIA VIOLATED JUST ABOUT EVERY AGREEMENT IN MINSK PACT
  • *OBAMA: RUSSIAN ACTIONS HAVE ONLY STRENGTHENED WESTERN RESOLVE
  • *OBAMA SAYS HE CONTINUES TO ENCOURAGE DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION
  • *OBAMA SAYS HE, MERKEL AGREED ON RUSSIAN SANCTIONS STRATEGY
  • *OBAMA: RUSSIAN ISOLATION WILL ONLY WORSEN W/O CHANGE OF COURSE
  • *OBAMA: LITTLE PROSPECT FOR MILITARY SOLUTION TO UKRAINE-RUSSIA
  • *OBAMA SAYS RUSSIA WILL FACE MORE SANCTIONS WITHOUT ACTION
  • *OBAMA SAYS HE'S ASKED TEAM TO LOOK AT `ALL OPTIONS' ON RUSSIA
  • *OBAMA: LETHAL WEAPONS TO UKRAINE IS ONE OPTION; NO DECISION YET
  • *OBAMA SAYS HE STILL HOPES DIPLOMATIC ACTION WILL PERSUADE PUTIN
  • *OBAMA SAYS GOAL IS ONLY FOR UKRAINE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND ITSELF
  • *OBAMA SAYS `ONGOING ANALYSIS' IN DECISION ON WEAPONS TO UKRAINE
  • *OBAMA: `NO DOUBT' SNOWDEN ISSUE DAMAGED GERMANS' VIEW OF U.S.
  • *OBAMA SAYS GERMANS SHOULD TRY TO GIVE U.S. BENEFIT OF DOUBT

Merkel's comments...

  • *MERKEL SAYS SHE, OBAMA SHARE SAME PRINCIPLES ON UKRAINE-RUSSIA
  • *MERKEL SAYS ESSENTIAL TO DEFEND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY PRINCIPLE
  • *MERKEL SAYS 'I DON'T SEE A MILITARY SOLUTION' ON UKRAINE
  • *MERKEL SAYS GOAL REMAINS DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION ON UKRAINE-RUSSIA
  • *MERKEL SAYS SHE, HOLLANDE SEEKING CEASE-FIRE IN UKRAINE
  • *MERKEL SAYS 'SUCCESS IS ANYTHING BUT CERTAIN' IN UKRAINE TALKS
  • *MERKEL SAYS IT'S BEEN RIGHT TO RAISE ECONOMIC COSTS ON RUSSIA
  • *MERKEL SAYS U.S.-EUROPE TIES TRUMP ARMS-TO-UKRAINE ISSUE
  • *MERKEL SAYS STILL DISAGREEMENT ON SOME POINTS ON NSA ISSUE

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And then there's this...

The bottom line - whether for appearances or not - President Obama came across a lot less hawkish than we suspect Poroshenko and the Ukrainian military was hoping for him to be.

 

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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:52 | 5762541 SickDollar
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keep on saying all day

WAR is around the corner with Greece and Ukraine as the center piece

 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:53 | 5762548 cossack55
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Russian isolation will only worsen

 

LMMFAO

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:58 | 5762581 El Oregonian
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...And all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Ukraine back together again...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:06 | 5762626 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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"Russian isolation will only worsen"

That's Baghdad Bob kind of propaganda.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:07 | 5762630 Publicus
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To Kiev! The Rebel will bring Peace to all of Ukraine.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:14 | 5762649 Latina Lover
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Of course there is no military solutions....do you think a continent that voted  a bearded transvestite Conchita Wurst the #1 Eurovision winner is willing to fight against hard core novorossiyan or russian  soldiers....LOL!! Take a good look at the russian dogfaces, they ain't pretty but they will get the job done!

 

The Europeans have passed their sell by date,the  glory days are behind them.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:34 | 5762749 nope-1004
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Ukraine isn't a member of NATO.  Odummer referred to this as a NATO alliance, but then backing a non-NATO country?  Weird but also makes obvious why the US has to get in eveyone else's kitchen:  US dollar hegemony dictates foreign policy, period.

Russia could take Europe in a few months if it wanted to, let alone walk over Ukraine in hours.  Barry is a useful idiot.  This is theatre for morons.

But I loved the German question about diffusing the situation instead of "selling lethal weapons to Ukraine by a Nobel laureate...." lmao

 

 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:16 | 5763013 Parrotile
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On Aussie TV News (Sky News Channel) this a.m., lots of talk of Obama "being under considerable pressure from Congress to provide lethal aid".

Since true Leaders lead by example, let Congress take the 14-day "rapid training programme" (good enough for the Ukraine conscripts), and they can provide their much - vaunted "Lethal Aid" in person, on the front line.

Another soundbite - "Russia cannot redraw boundaries at the point of a gun". Maybe our Nobel Price (price for everything you know . . . .) "Laureate" might care to notice it isn't Russia who wishes for independence, rather the Eastern Ukraine population who wish to sever associations with the very Neo-Nazi regime in the West, possibly in view on the regime's stated aims to "crush dissent and suppress Russian as a second language".

But, hey. let's not let such "insignificant facts" stand in the way of full-blown dogmatism.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 21:42 | 5764478 Berspankme
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Yep, the first 535 members of the Ukraine liberation force should come directly from the halls of congress. And no Lindsey, there is no pedophile exemption

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:17 | 5763024 angel_of_joy
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... Barry is a useful idiot

I think that's already debatable. I'm strongly tempted to believe that he's more of the useless kind...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:31 | 5763682 SWRichmond
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Ukraine isn't a member of NATO.  Odummer referred to this as a NATO alliance, but then backing a non-NATO country

NATO is a hammer in search of a nail.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:15 | 5762988 angel_of_joy
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I'm sorry but the "military solution" that everybody hates to talk about is developping as we speak. What they really mean is that they don't like its OUTCOME... but that's already irrelevant.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 19:16 | 5764019 TheFourthStooge-ing
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More butthurt for Kiev: German Foreign Minister Steinmeier says that the German government reserves the right to “act decisively against the Ukrainian leadership, up to and including sanctions”.

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/germany-reserves-right-to-impose.html

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:27 | 5762752 de3de8
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Pussy

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:15 | 5762639 Latina Lover
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The USSA tried, and failed to conquer Russia by triggering a phony crisis in the Ukraine and then pushing their fifth columnists in Russia to revolt. The neocons, used to beating up arab and ME irregulars with no brains and/or untrained, when faced with a REAL opponent lost again.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:24 | 5762739 Paveway IV
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Chickenhawk neo-cons had the will but not the desire. There is someone else pushing the USA to destroy Russia for their own ends, Latina Lover. You can probably figure out who that is.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:32 | 5763105 11b40
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It's just a lot harder to get a hot war started now than it used to be.  Too many busybodies watching, blogging, and calling attention to everything.

This bloody Internet thing is getting to be too big of a problem for TPTB.  Something has to give.  I mean, look at all the 1 percenters who just had their banking secrets exposed to the world.  This can't go on much longer - all this free press is ruining the world for them.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:54 | 5763243 Parrotile
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I'm keenly awaiting the "Royal Proclamation" of a War on "Irresponsible Internet Activity" (guess who decides what constitutes "irresponsible" :-) )

Let's all hope this "War" will have the same glittering success as all the other Administrative "Wars" that looked good in the Policy Room, but failed so very miserably in reality (the War on Drugs being such a shining example!).

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 21:39 | 5764459 Berspankme
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Really been expecting some false flag event that can be blamed directly on the internet so they can shut it down. for the children you know

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:18 | 5763639 Latina Lover
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Paveway IV and Jack Burton, both of you have written excellent posts on the deep state, and the puppet-masters behind them, many from that shining light of democracy located in the SE Mediterranean. I tend to be more granular, but always try to keep the big picture in mind.

Thank You.

 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 21:11 | 5764367 Paveway IV
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Careful, Latina Lover.... I could be a plant. That's how they work.

Jack Burton is legit, but it doesn't matter since we're treated to a little picture of Natalia Poklonskaya every time he posts. 

Tue, 02/10/2015 - 01:14 | 5765168 tired1
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plus 1 for Poklonskaya mention.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:33 | 5762756 Ignatius
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"we are not looking for Russia to fail. ... Our preference is for a strong, vibrant, confident Russia." -- Obummer

Makes perfect sense based on US/NATO actions and rhetoric.  Sheesh....

Maybe my problem was when I heard the story about George Washington, the cherry tree, and the importance of telling truth is that I believed it.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:13 | 5762976 MiTasol
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OBAMA SAYS GERMANS SHOULD TRY TO GIVE U.S. BENEFIT OF DOUBT

 

They did.  They doubt every word you say.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 16:04 | 5763287 Parrotile
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The Germans are far from stupid (and Germany still has an excellent educational system).

They know that a military engagement in Ukraine will almost certainly lead to military action in surrounding Countries (e.g. Germany), and they quite like their towns and cities to remain the way they are.

Those in the US pushing for a war are those with "financial incentive" to do so (campaign contributions, "under the table" deals, family "connections"). The same people who "have never seen a war they didn't like" (since they will have plans for very comfortable relocation should things escalate beyond their comfort zone).

Hoping for the Military Top Brass to "see the light"?? Better revisit the Cuban Missile Crisis, when the Top Brass of the day were very keen to launch an attack on Cuba, and only Kennedy stopped that little adventure. The Top Brass of today think just the same way - and if it was left to them, WW3 would be a dead cert.

 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 16:44 | 5763486 Johnny Moscow
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"we are not looking for Russia to fail. ... Our preference is for a strong, vibrant, confident Russia." -- Obummer

 

Yeah, try telling that to your average Russian Barack. We completely encircled them with NATO over the years (why exactly?), poured billions into destabilizing the Ukraine regime (and Russia too through our NGOs), then when it all went south and the Ukies were banning the Russian language in the Duma and burning ethnic Russians alive in Odessa the Western media didn't say sh*t and blamed Russian "intervention". 

Then we imposed sanctions and manipulated oil with the help of the Saudis that literally has Russia on the brink and has destroyed the value of the Ruble. 

But hey, no harm no foul Vlad, we're just doing what we think is right in the name of "Freedom." I mean trust us, look how well Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Vietname etc. have all worked out.

Gimmie a friggin break. 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:07 | 5762950 sam i am
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to latina lover

 


Speaking of the 5th column in Russia. Recently, I came across the online  discussion of some ethnic Ukrainian doctor in the Russian far east region.  Apparently, she posted some nasty anti-Russian comments online.  That propelled her patients to leave due to the reasonable fear for their lives and safety. The general opinion is that people don't want to be treated by the fascist doctor.

 

Can't blame them...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:24 | 5763655 Latina Lover
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If you were an ethnic Russian, would you see a doctor who openly espouses hatred against your race? 

The great irony is that that Ukies, despite their pathetic attempts at claiming to be superior, are genetically almost indistinguishable from the Russians. 

Let's give the USSA where credit is due, the NGO's have done an outstanding job of polarizing Ukies and Russians over essentially debatable historical events.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:06 | 5762627 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:13 | 5762675 Volkodav
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Ukraine has never been a sovereign nation.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:49 | 5762842 Paveway IV
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Who even cares, Volkodav. Ukrainians are the only ones that have the right to decide what Ukraine is or will be, not lawyers, politicians or historians. If they want to consider themselves another planet, then why should any of us care? 

There are millions of ethnic-Russian, Russian-speaking people that have lived their entire lives in Ukraine and consider themselves Ukrainian. They don't want to leave their homes and move to Russia, they want to stay in their homes in Ukraine and not be treated like garbage by Kiev. Plenty of ethnic Ukrainians agree and have not been convinced to hate Russia or Russian-speaking Ukrainians, despite the constant brainwashing they're subject to by Kiev to think otherwise.

Regardless of what we hear in the media, I have to think that most Ukrainians have the common sense of these people in Zaporzhia. I'll trust a tomato farmer hands down over a politician any day. You have to hit the cc button to bring up the english subtitles. I'm not sure if they're speaking in Russian or Ukrainian - I can't understand either one.

The video starts off with some poor UAF recruiter having no luck getting new recruits for the army. After about the 30-second mark, things go South for him and the tomato farmers take over. Well worth the entire five-minute watch.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:30 | 5763113 Volkodav
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It is important to understand that ultimate decision making power over Ukrainians lives is located, as it has been

for centuries, outside the borders of their country.

To describe an ethnic Ukrainian is describing a descendant of Kiev Rus and Cimmerian/Scythian, etc.

not the Poles of the west absolutely not "ethnic Ukrainians" but Ukrainian nationals

with lack of collective common sense. This is where the crazies are stirred from...

 

Zaparozians is same blood as Rus  as Lady of video shows...direct, no sneak like the poles

Russian Woman: "To stop the frightened horse, to enter the burning house"

 

300 Zaporshians stand against Kolomoiskyi thugs..

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-photo-of-300-zaporozhians-named....

 

Western Ukraine is former polish lands, not historical Ukraine

"Ukraine A History" Orest Subtelney

give this some study:

 http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/i-believe-that-it-is-senseless-and.html

 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:26 | 5763658 Latina Lover
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Volkodav, it is also worth noting that many of the western ukies are fanatical catholics, who hate the Orthodox Church.

Tue, 02/10/2015 - 01:34 | 5765210 Volkodav
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I am aware

Discredited evil vile and corrupt second Rome vs Resurrected risen Third Rome Russian Orthodox

 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 18:28 | 5763873 Paveway IV
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"...give this some study:..."

I don't even want to argue about if there is such a thing as an ethnic Ukrainian or not because it never justified the coup and war. The coup was never really about 'ethnic Ukrainians' trying to preserve their culture - that was just an excuse the criminals used.  The coup was about what some rich U.S., EU and Ukrainian oligarchs want for their own benefit that some other rich Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs had or controlled. It was a gang war disguised as some kind of Ukrainian nationalism/freedom movement. It was all a lie.

I will never for one day believe that the majority of Western Ukrainians felt it necessary to stage an armed coup and ethnically cleanse Eastern Ukraine to preserve some kind of Ukrainian identity and free themselves from the clutches of evil Russia. A few of them? Sure. But I'll bet it would be fairly easy to find a Western Ukrainian tomato farmer that recognizes it all as bullshit and never saw the need to de-Russify Ukraine and start WW III for that purpose.

I believe most Western Ukrainians know damn well they are being used as tools by both the West and their own oligarchs. Videos of a few psychopaths teaching their kids that it's good to hang Russians doesn't change my mind in the least. It only proves that SOME people in Western Ukraine are psychopaths, not ALL of them. I could have told you that before the coup.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:36 | 5763148 MarkAntony
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They are speaking Russian and the woman says they do not want a war with Russia, they want to friends as both nations are a part of the same culture.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:57 | 5763248 Volkodav
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Here is with English:   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAQABuQUqMQ

These are same people as Russians

here 300 Zapoorzians stood against Kolomoiskyi's thugs:

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-photo-of-300-zaporozhians-named-one.html

Zaporizza is very anti-Kiev

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:46 | 5763201 Pie rre
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Excellent, thank you

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 21:30 | 5764420 Berspankme
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That miserable stinking cunt Nuland should be forced to stand in that crowd and explain herself to these poor people. Then they should rip her apart

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:06 | 5762632 Winston Churchill
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If Russia gets any more isolated, Putin will be living in the White Hut by Xmas.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:08 | 5762641 overmedicatedun...
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buthole barry and merkel agree: they both think they have a vagina.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:54 | 5762553 Deathrips
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Barrys balls are soo big hes going to send your children to war!!

 

 

Thatll scare the shit out of the russians?

 

Who else forced other peoples kids to war.

 

Fucking asshole fag.

 

RIPS

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:02 | 5762611 El Oregonian
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Oh, it goes a lot higher than Ms. Limp-wrist. You have to take a peek behind the dark veil to see the creatures that are manipulating the strings...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:19 | 5762704 Deathrips
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I know its controlled opposition..but barrys passing out ass to everyone. I couldnt help myself.

 

RIPS

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:20 | 5762714 El Vaquero
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Speaking of, a good friend of mine thinks that Valarie Jarrett deserves a good, hard donkey punch.  That goddamned little lawn gnome shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:25 | 5762729 Urban Redneck
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Name one US President who has been pushed into a war, against his own wishes.  

Palace intrigue isn't exactly a new phenomenon.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:44 | 5763191 El Oregonian
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the Spanish-American War, for one.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 16:13 | 5763342 Urban Redneck
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The softball answer, to a softball question, but how about any of the hundreds of War and "police actions" since the founding of the Federal Reserve or the dawn of the 20th century?

The 30 years of Spanish-American Warz are interesting because that was the rise of Corporatists and foreign intervention, and by having levers to lobby and manipulate, from the US Congress to the Whire House Photographer- the Cuban ex-pat community in New York City (that the Crown referred to as a junta) was able to finally prompt an overt intervention by the former Police Commissioner of New York City.  It's kind of amusing that for all the various efforts over the past two centuries, each generation has never gotten what it really wanted (their LAND back, just "reparations" the evolution of public international law into something more akin to private international law).  Anyway the Corporatists learned quickly, and corrected their oversight.

At least you didn't drag out the War of 1812...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:54 | 5762556 Dungholio
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center piece or "prize"?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:17 | 5762692 williambanzai7
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And here is what Putin told Merkel and Hollande...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 16:36 | 5763460 Son of Captain Nemo
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Damn right! 

And I'm sure he has whispered the very same words into Secret Chimps ear many times within the last year with words to that effect!!!

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:19 | 5762701 pupton
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If a shooting war won't fix Ukraine, maybe a nice, high, thick wall?  Right down the middle...East Ukraine and West Ukraine. 

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Berlinermauer.jpg

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 16:12 | 5763338 Parrotile
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 20:02 | 5764151 Talcott
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Just cuz you keep sayin' it doesn't make it

 

true.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:53 | 5762542 KnuckleDragger-X
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Clueless.... not just a movie.....

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:53 | 5762546 Fun Facts
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If there's no military solution then maybe Barry should ask his Victoria Nuland Zio Neo Nazi installed government of Kiev to quit slaughtering innocent families in East Ukraine.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:31 | 5762765 Ignatius
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Must be quite a conversation at the Nuland dinner table.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:28 | 5763671 Latina Lover
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Just the thought of eating at  Nudelmans/Nulands table is enough to make me want to vomit.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:55 | 5762555 Son of Captain Nemo
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"we are not looking for Russia to fail." ...

You motherfucking mass murdering white chimp!

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:18 | 5762698 Consuelo
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I saw a Nat Geo Wild thing on that species a few days ago...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:56 | 5762565 Bill of Rights
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Report From Hong Kong: Bitcoin Exchange Disappears with $386 Million
http://www.coindesk.com/hong-kong-exchange-mycoin-disappears-387m-report...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:56 | 5762566 Soul Glow
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This is all wildly bullish for the world economy.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:58 | 5762580 gatorengineer
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Euro flat, bonds flat.... sure seems to be

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:56 | 5762569 gatorengineer
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Russian needs to go all Cambodia now, and pop a couple of US troops on the ground, and pre-empt the Kardashians.  Yes I know its not the troops fault, they are only their because of failed politicians (Jessy line), but their loss may save thousands of others.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:57 | 5762576 early riser
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Ukrainan ambassador to UN just said on BBC that they need to rebuild the military as it has "been destroyed" (!!)

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:01 | 5762578 Kaiser Sousa
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it was extremely difficult to sit thru the lies and utter bullshit that nobel peace prize winning puppet mother fucker just spewed...

vlad should just end this shit by stomping the fuck out of those nazi assholes and fold his arms and say 'NOW WHAT MOTHER FUCKERS...."

im so sick of the fucking US government and its MoneyChanger masters..........

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:20 | 5762710 czarangelus
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It's all whatever now. Porky and Co. still claim Crimea as Ukrainian territory. If they try, Russia has no choice but total war to defend itself. The next European war can start whenever it's started, unless people of marginal sanity prevail over the Obama administration.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:59 | 5762585 NoWayJose
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Now that they meeting is over, Obama can go to the NSA telephone intercepts to find out what Merkel really thinks!

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:59 | 5762586 semperfi
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I'll bet McCain just shit himself after hearing this.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:06 | 5762629 gatorengineer
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McCain, also shits himself watching bugs bunny, the khardashians, and Monday night football, this isnt a new thing. 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:17 | 5762689 optimator
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Be nice to the guy, he almost sank an aircraft carrier single handedly and is an ace.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:39 | 5762816 cossack55
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Sorry, you're thinking of Brian Williams

Tue, 02/10/2015 - 01:28 | 5765193 Volkodav
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I think he top ace for vietnam side, ran up quite a total yankee aircraft destroyed...

 

 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:29 | 5762760 sandman.s
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He's old and senile.  He prolly shits himself daily...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:40 | 5763168 11b40
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Tha's what he has Lispy Graham for...to wipe his ass.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:59 | 5762588 jpc578
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Nobody is saying that the US or NATO should intervene militarily. But we should support the Ukrainian government defending their country from a defacto Russian invasion.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:01 | 5762606 early riser
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Proof, please. What are those satellites good for anyway?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:30 | 5763679 Latina Lover
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So when are you packing your equipment and taking your  weapons to Debaltsevo?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:03 | 5762613 Kaiser Sousa
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and when are u leaving for Kiev?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:03 | 5762615 McMolotov
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It's been a year now since Russia began its supposed "invasion." This is the slowest motherfucking invasion in the history of invasions.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:32 | 5762779 brooklynlou
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Yup. This isn't an invasion. It's an quagmire meant to bleed the EU. The Russians don't want it to end. The Americans are trying to give the Ukranian government the EU chose to sign a deal with weapons to keep it going. The only ones that want out are the Europeans and no one is letting them leave. So Angie comes to the WH to give Barry her death look and the end result with her meeting with Putin and Barry is "no Change". She's stuck. And somewhere a Greek fiscal bomb is ticking.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:22 | 5762722 TheFourthStooge-ing
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This is the US world order. An order wallowing in the denial of the most basic reality.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:33 | 5762727 SofaPapa
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The eastern part of Ukraine were Russians.  When Russia went into Crimea, did anybody die?  Did anybody rebel?  They are RUSSIANS!  It's like the east side of Niagra Falls "invading" the west side.  I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I can see situations where that might happen justifiably, and the two groups of people are very similar.

Now if the Russians come over and fight on the side of the Canadians?  What the hell are they doing there, right?  The geography tells a simple story here, and the US has no business determining what the hell goes on on Russia's border.  Funny how the Europeans, who actually have greater standing given their proximity, are beginning to back off.  This shitshow has got to stop!

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:09 | 5762731 localizer
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There is no Russian "invasion" - this was even confirmed by Ukrainian officials... why would they lie, huh? There certainly is Russian support of the Eastern rebels, but there is no "invasion", that's just rubbish. If there actually was a Russian invasion Kiev would fall within 3 weeks... Now the real question is HOW this mess was created in the first place. I don't recall Russia suddenly deciding to add new territory, e.g. annex Crimea? Yes, what they did was wrong BUT they only acted in the context of earlier events in Kiev - today Ukraine is being governed by 2 individuals (Yats and Poroh) both hand picked by the US. There were no rebels prior to US meddling. They should have kept their noses out of this.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 22:12 | 5764626 Parrotile
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I wasn't aware that Russia annexed Crimea.

I WAS aware that the local population CHOSE to REJOIN Russia.

There's quite a difference.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:23 | 5762734 Volkodav
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Nobody is saying?  Liar....Nobody can be that deaf.

and already intervened..many ways

otherwise, put on your greatcoat, grab your pack and start marching

 

 

 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:24 | 5763071 X_Weatherman
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You are pitifully misinformed.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:06 | 5763592 Berspankme
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If there were in fact a Russian invasion, Kiev would be gone in about 20 minutes.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:00 | 5762594 pashley1411
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translate - "Merkel agrees to restrict and fence-in US options for Ukraine."

Surprised she didn't insist on adult supervision for the White House.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:00 | 5762599 i_call_you_my_base
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The US is lying and this is basically no change for Germany.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:02 | 5762610 franzpick
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Why believe a word BO and Merkel say, or waste time trying to make sense of their perception-management language?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:02 | 5762612 early riser
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Germany is ine of the few countries - probably the only one in Europe - that has the balls to stand up to the USA. Watch this space

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:11 | 5762625 noben
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*OBAMA SAYS GOAL IS ONLY FOR UKRAINE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND ITSELF
! Defend from whom? A bunch of Kosovo-style separatist? Are Uke forces attacking the Separatists, or are Separatists attacking Kiev (a la US-approved Syria-style freedom fighters)? What a hypocrite, what an ass.

*MERKEL SAYS U.S.-EUROPE TIES TRUMP ARMS-TO-UKRAINE ISSUE
! IOW… “No arms to Ukes, or US-EU ties will suffer. Europe will not go to war for DC, NY and London agendas and profits”

*MERKEL SAYS STILL DISAGREEMENT ON SOME POINTS ON NSA ISSUE
! Won’t take NSA-approved Language Translator or Obama-phone on future trips

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:06 | 5762628 aliki
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watching this press conference, all i could think of was "is there any way we can swap leaders?" i gotta imagine merkel would would get our debt clock rolling in the opposite direction as well as get our GDP moving in the right direction inside a finite period of time.

that picture of putin says it all - this was nothing more than a green light for him. now that this meeting is passed, he most likely hits the nitrous & tries to take as much land, piece as much of the soviet union back together as quickly as possible. nobody gonna stop him (as of right now). he's got some time to go to work - wouldn't be surprised if moves deeper & faster into ukraine starting right now.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:09 | 5762647 early riser
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I reckon Putin and his team wants to use Ukraine as quicksand to slow down the Anglo Zionist world hegemon. A healthy Novorussia is key to this - taking over Ukraine is not

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:27 | 5762753 Wahooo
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He seems more interested in keeping NATO at bay than in acquiring territory. I don't think any of these people have a sense for the outcome. This statement by obama and merkel seem to translate as "We are through with Ukraine, you can now back out."

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:07 | 5762637 djsmps
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Obama & Merkel 'Agree': No Prospect Of "Military Solution" In Ukraine

 

Meaning, there will be military action

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:08 | 5762642 adonisdemilo
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"Our hope is for a strong vibrant Russia"

His hope, maybe. It's a pity Biden, Kerry; McCain and all the military industrial sponsored CONgress war mongers have not been informed.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:40 | 5762827 will ling
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bathhouse better  be on lookout for 5th column in secret service ranks.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:13 | 5762644 Son of Captain Nemo
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For emphasis. Channeling Ronald Reagan...

President Putin.  Show us your "White Book"!!!

At the rate things are going maybe Muti will volunteer to make that statement?  it would appear by the read and 50,000 souls later German intelligence appears very divided at the direction she's taking her Country on this!   And why not????  They could all be seeing jail time for their involvement in the war crimes they have aided and abetted the U.S. and Israel with since last year in getting this rolling!

Perhaps this is why she's doing the best impression of Lady MacBeth with these announcments for pulling back from the brink?!!!

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:10 | 5762645 Lea
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"OBAMA SAYS GERMANS SHOULD TRY TO GIVE U.S. BENEFIT OF DOUBT"

Aw, fuck off. BTW, where is the gold?

"MERKEL SAYS SHE, OBAMA SHARE SAME PRINCIPLES ON UKRAINE-RUSSIA"

You bet. Vampires all want blood.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:09 | 5762646 joemayo
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Eminence front.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:17 | 5762686 Consuelo
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"...It's a put on..."

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:12 | 5762667 Inthemix96
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Take heart bitchez,

You know the shit this fucking puppet idiot spews every time he opens his fucking idiot mouth?  This fucking sotero clown?  You know him, meant to be the leader of the free world eh?  Him and his child molesting mates that run the western world just dont cut the mustard no more.  The lies are far to obvious, far to in your face, no fucker believes the shit stabber.

And that goes for the lot of them, no matter where you live.  The bollocks have wore off folks...

Nice, for a change...

;-)

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:12 | 5762671 localizer
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Europe blinked at the prospect of massive military confrontation on the continent, that is the reason two of the most powerful HEADS of state in the EU flew to Moscow to talk to Putin. War on top of an upcoming massive issue with Greece (even if the Greeks remain in EUR (far from certain) it will mean somebody will have to pay for it...) is not what the EU needs - both these problems might end the EU as we know it and it looks like somebody finally listened to that Nuland tape a bit more carefully...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:22 | 5762725 combatsnoopy
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Merkle can count, Obama can't.  Obama and his cronies (Emmanuel) can't even count the HOMICIDES in Chicago in his back yard.  Don't ask me how he got through Harvard, my only guess is affirmative action. 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:43 | 5762845 ThisIsBob
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Harvard?  That's how he got to be president.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:14 | 5762978 lakecity55
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"I count 125 Russian Divisions on the border, Bath House. What do you want me to do? Sacrifice Germany?"

"Yes."

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:11 | 5762972 lakecity55
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Nulandstein: Fuck Europe. My PMS Lesbo brigades could take Moscow!

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:13 | 5762678 will ling
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bathhouse didn't have his heart in it; knows vlad da man. so does angie.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:14 | 5762681 whatthecurtains
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McCain is not gonna like this.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:17 | 5762693 whatthecurtains
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McCain is not gonna like this.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:17 | 5762694 justmy2cents
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Oh my, for Obama to have said "GERMANS SHOULD TRY TO GIVE U.S. BENEFIT OF DOUBT" you now know old alliances have taken a wee bit of a historic turn.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:37 | 5762805 brooklynlou
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Yep. My gut feeling is there's a new new world order on the cards where US, Russia and China work more closely and EU gets blown up to its constituent weak parks and bought out for pennies on the dollar.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:41 | 5762832 ThisIsBob
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Not much left plunderable in the EU.  Russia and China, yes.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:19 | 5762705 Consuelo
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'NSA trust'...?    Sex toys...?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:21 | 5762713 thamnosma
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They are both losers though Obama seems more hollow.   Seems more and more that events are simply overwhelming them.  Too many variables on all fronts. 

 

Of course, important to keep in mind "Ordo ab Chao"

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:21 | 5762717 combatsnoopy
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Obama, you're drunk.  GO HOME.

And while we're at it, the CIA and that limitless credit card paid by the US Treasury is cancelled.  We cut it up. You're cut off.  
Stealing from US Taxpayers during a depression to finance Kiev NAZIS. 
Obama's cabinet and special interest are WAY out of control.  

The Ukraine violated the Minsk agreement first.  I don't know if Putin is a Saint or probably not, but you have to feel for someone stuck dealing with this.  icky.  

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:09 | 5762962 lakecity55
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(After the war)

"It is the sentence of this Court you hang by the neck until Dead."
"Can Reggie be my last visitor? That strangulation thing gets me up!"

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:49 | 5763220 Haager
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And reading this I just try to imagine the reactions for Bibi beeing in place of Putin...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:21 | 5762720 Wahooo
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Can anyone tell me the latest score?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:22 | 5762728 jay28elle
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  • *OBAMA: `NO DOUBT' SNOWDEN ISSUE DAMAGED GERMANS' VIEW OF U.S.

In non-PC speak:  Shit, man, Snowden exposing the truth wasn't supposed to happen.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:33 | 5763131 Berspankme
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Really demonstrates how sad the US situation is when the President says a man telling the truth damaged relations.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:27 | 5762755 Divine Wind
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I fully expect arms to start flowing to Ukraine,

if it has not already started, before the end of the month.

I do not from one moment believe the line Barry et al put

out at the news conference.

 

If he lies about everything else except for who is performing at

the nightly White House Twerk-Fest, why should he be believed on this topic.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:05 | 5762937 X_Weatherman
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The Kiev Neo-Naziis are already murdering Ukranian civilians, shelling their homes, schools and hospitals with NATO 155 mm artillary rounds.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:05 | 5762938 Bastiat
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On the other hand maybe they're beat. What good are arms if you've got no army?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:49 | 5763217 11b40
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That depends if you are buying or selling.  We are selling.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 16:08 | 5763311 Pie rre
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We need to provide them with enough aid as compensation for their gold already in our possession.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:32 | 5762777 explosivo
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What is the news here?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:49 | 5762821 lakecity55
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Officially, they are saying nobody is going to use nukes.

Good for plants, animals, and human beings.

Hold them to it.

PEACE, Motherfuckers. War is really bad shit. Please, if You have a Higher Power, don't go there.

(I remember once picking up an arm in a foreign country, staring at it, and wondering why men kill. I had a 45 Colt cocked and locked in a shoulder holster. Later that day I killed a man coming at me with an AK-47. The first shot put him on the ground. The kill shot splattered his brains.  It made me a defensive pacifist).  Later, I went to India to groove.

Killing a man takes a piece of your Soul, even if it is a declared enemy. Please, brothers, do not go there.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:49 | 5762872 semperfi
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unless you're a plant or animal living (but not for much longer) in the north Pacific ocean which has been (deliberately) back-door nuked

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:03 | 5762929 lakecity55
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Say NO to the Masters of War.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:34 | 5762793 ersatz007
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I don't know what all the fuss is about, I like Chicken Kiev.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:49 | 5762858 freedom123
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This hybrid war brought by Putin regime is not something new, russia has used it before. Here is explained how it was used in Georgia:

http://youtu.be/CsNlc0iKK7Y

 

Side-topic: Ukraine artillery managed to hit Putin regime terrorist base and elminate BM-21’s and ammo trucks, 20 enemy “Grads” as well as 30 ammo trucks, and approximately 200 terrorists

http://youtu.be/RVIE-RVxSz0

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/02/09/things-blow-out-of-proportions-in-...

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:51 | 5762880 libertysghost
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You sound pretty objective.  

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:34 | 5763695 Latina Lover
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Hey Freedom 123, with dumbass propaganda promoted by proven idiots like youself, no wonder the Ukies are losing.

Shouldn't you be fighting and dying in Debaltsevo instead of hiding behind a keyboard?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:52 | 5762884 TheFourthStooge-ing
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This guy's cheap propaganda grows less potatoworthy by the day.

Prediction of the future is betterly done when based on actual past events rather than fantasy.

But hey, some wants to be at the top and are ready to lie for that.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:31 | 5763117 Berspankme
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you mean freedumb123

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:35 | 5763697 Latina Lover
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Freedumb123,  himmm I like that, LOL

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:56 | 5762896 dexter_morgan
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You lost me with the bullshit statement

"This hybrid war brought by Putin regime ...... "

What fantasy world are you living in?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:01 | 5762915 X_Weatherman
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If you keep pressing your race-war against the Slavs you will end up the same as Hitler and Bandera.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:03 | 5762927 freedom123
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More news on Putin regime terrorist invasion in Ukraine:

 

Ukraine army capture russian tank and take it as trophy:

UKR: http://youtu.be/fj2PPTfId-o

 

Exposed Putin regime propaganda - how Putin regime terrorists attacked empty (because of terrorist attack residents left it) residential houses to create propaganda materials:

ENG (google translator - poor quality): http://youtu.be/shDAbe45l4k

 

While Putin regime terrorist leader gives interview to Putin regime propaganda channel Rossia24 about how they control everything and Ukraine soldiers should give up, his bodygourd gets shot and they quickly finishes this "interview":

RUS: http://youtu.be/-FH8artwzho

 

Putin regime terrorists from russian republic - chechnya - steals cars from people who are under their occupation:

Chechens / RUS http://youtu.be/tI2x2luGdjs

 

Vladimir Zhirinovsky - Russian politician, the leader of LDPR party and Vice-Chairman of the Russian State Duma, addressed his colleagues in Russian parliament, telling that Russia should have destroyed Germany and burnt Paris, which are making problems to Russia now.

ENG / RUS http://youtu.be/l_Arbysh6r0

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:20 | 5763047 Sandmann
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Ukrainians were supposed to have 1180 T-72 tanks and there are supposed to have been 20,000 built altogether so I guess a photograph of one tank is relatively easy to produce. Nive video btw

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:57 | 5763187 Haager
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Do you know the usual term for blackpainting only one side (and supposedly whitewashing the other side(s)) of this conflict?

Some people in the Ukraine (western/southwestern) already realized that they've been used for geopolitic gamblings. Why don't you start questioning the issue for yourself? Go, look at the values of the ENP (European Neighbourhood Policy), go look what is and what has happened to Greece, Spain or Italy, but try to talk with the people there and not just by reading official news-sources.

Europe values should be democracy, rule of law , human-rights and social cohesy. Sounds good unless it gets called. And freedom? It's freedom of expression only, what's left is serfdom.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:48 | 5763209 TheFourthStooge-ing
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More drivel lies from the boy who cried potato.

Check everything you want but propagandists must come with new drivel, drivel you can believe in.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:10 | 5763616 Bankster Kibble
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Vladimir Zhirinovsky?  Wow, he's a hoot.  He's always good for a controversial statement in the Duma - sort of the Russian version of McCain.  He doesn't speak for the Russian government, though.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:40 | 5763719 Latina Lover
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Hey Freedumb123,  I actually clicked on your links and most of them are useless. 

But I gave you an up arrow for the clip from Zhirinovsky gave me a good laugh, since he is regarded by most Russians as a crazy man,   monty python Russian Style.

ENG / RUS http://youtu.be/l_Arbysh6r0

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 17:58 | 5763798 vincenze
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I heard that the pro-American ex-president of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili was put on a wanted list in Georgia for his crimes.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:51 | 5762881 Mi Naem
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Dear Ukranians,

     The Americans are not coming.  Yeah, we'll print ya some fiat and loan ya some more fiat to buy some of our hardware.  We'll send some spies, and a few "advisors", maybe even some satellite intelligence data.  We'll tell you that we're counting on you to lead the fight for western freedom, and that we'll be right in there if you need us.  But no, we are NOT coming.  Ask the Georgians.  Ask the Southern Iraqis under Bushwacker I, or the Kurds under anybody.  We do this shit all the time.  You are just collateral damage in the run up to the Big One with the Bear, cause our "leaders" are pretty sure they can dictate the terms of the emerging global government. Sorry.  Our people have about as much say in this as yours. 

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:55 | 5762892 JulienFR
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Obama has threatened to isolate Russia. He's already isolated. Again or what? :) Speaking to the nation-deceived? :)

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