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Private Property: The Only Solution To The Vaccine Controversy
Submitted by Robert Murphy via Mises Canada blog,
A measles outbreak in the U.S. has prompted a national debate over vaccinations, a debate that quickly turned ugly baby vaccinebecause both sides think they are protecting their children from harm. Some parents say that they should have the right to refuse vaccines if they think it is in their children’s best interest, while others argue that ill-informed parental views can be overridden by the State if the public health is at stake. When argued on the traditional battleground, the problem has no solution. As with school prayer, immigration policies, parade permits for controversial groups, or allowing the homeless in “public” libraries, here too there is no way to solve the problem except by letting private property owners set the rules on their land.
When couched in the standard statist framework, there are contradictory principles in the vaccination debate. For example, many parents have read research showing the potential dangers from various vaccines, and they think all things considered their kids will be safer without getting them. They recoil at the idea that the State can forcibly inject substances into their kids’ bodies in the name of the public welfare.
That’s fine, but I’m betting many of those same “anti-vaxx” parents agree with the principle of taxation, and some of them might even be willing to accept the military draft in cases of extreme national emergency. At least for these parents, it seems they don’t actually believe in the principle of the individual rejecting State encroachment. They just happen to disagree with most people on the balancing of the pros and cons of vaccines.
On the other hand, consider the parents (and others) who are outraged at the (allegedly) unscientific, selfish, and anti-social behavior of the anti-vaxxers. For those of this group who think the State should be able to compel vaccinations against the wishes of a child’s parents, I wonder: How far are they willing to push this principle? Should the State mandate diet and exercise routines for the nation’s children? What about religious or political views? After all, parents from religious households might not want their kids’ minds to be “infected” with the horrible ideas of atheism brought into the schools from other children, while skeptical parents might not want their children hearing on the playground that they’re bound for hell unless they repent. Likewise, parents who believe in democracy wouldn’t want their children hearing about fascism from other kids on the soccer team. Certain ideas are far more dangerous than the measles. But most Americans (at least) agree that in a free society, the State can’t mandate particular religious and political views, no matter how harmful those views might be when put into operation.
The only way to address these fundamental conflicts is to take the State out of the equation. Let private property owners set the relevant rules on their land. Privately run schools, daycare centers, youth clubs, and pediatricians can set their individual policies regarding vaccination requirements for participating children. Health insurance companies can decide if they will insist on vaccination in order for a newborn to remain on a parent’s plan.
Private property doesn’t eliminate conflict, but it is a necessary foundation for the peaceful resolution of very heated disagreements. Bringing the State into the picture will hurt all children.
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I just got my dogs vacinated for rabies.
There is no private property in the USSA. You are all belong to the state.
It's my body and I'll do what I want! Yeah OK girlie, now get in line so you don't look awkward.
This post was nothing but slippery slope arguments attacking "the state".
Then the author acts like private property will solve all of these debates with a magic wand or something.
If a public school requires vaccines= bad; if a private school requires vaccines = good?
This is why right-libertarians are so foolish. Either way vaccines are required whether its by a state-sponsored goon or a corporate-sponsored goon, it's still required.
The right-libertarians' proposed solution is to privatize everything and let free market invisible hands run the world, yet we still end up with the same end-result, and same problem. The only difference is that businessmen make profits, and the state doesn't.
+1 for no italics. It's about trust. When you live in a fabricated social illusion made up of lies and even the MSM News gets busted for telling lies and then your leaders can't be trusted, this is what happens.
So you are saying let the super rich set the rules? as they are on track to own pretty much everything.
@9th
Assortative behavior will solve the problem of who controls whom, which is what it is all about.
The beliefs in your tribal head should only apply to you and your ilk, not forced on others. They can follow their own perfectly well, so get a grip on your animal programming and let them be.
Evolutionary adaption is a spectrum of change and you are still at the level of an animal.
Somewhere a troop of monkeys is missing you.
What are the odds that an agent of Merck (or other big pharma vax producer) planted the contagion in a populated area in order to start a 'national debate' on vaccines? Its happened before though usually by intelligence agencies. SSDD.
I wouldn't put it past any of the scum destroying things for their own gain,
Yeah, leave us the F*ck alone losers.
If you mind your own business.....you won't be minding ours.
Oh yeah, one more thing.....take your Agenda 21 and shove it up your ass.
Same goes for Common Core and global warming.....PISS OFF!!!
Do you think the recent outbreak of Measles in California and the open border that is being flooded with people seeking amnesty has something to do with this? The outbreak in Cali is the reason for these new proposed laws which started the debate.
Forced vaccination is wrong and evil. End of story.
edit: enter pyschologists: "Vaccination Distrust Disorder"... pills... retard babies...
No, it's not the end of story. He said the contagion wwas planted here by Pharma. I say it was brought over here by Obama's Amnesty promise. The epidemics didn't just manifest.
I heard on the radio that apparently they tracked it down to Disneyland. Space Measles!
OK. Must be Big Pharma then. Where are those damn pills, fuck it, I'lll roll a Doobie until I get a new prescription.
Doesnt matter where it started. The real issue IS do you own your body or not? Can someone be forcibly given a vaccine against their will? You know, its for the greater good. This is the SAME argument every dictator ever has used to exterminate/repress/shit on the unlucky target group. Is USA any different? These days I say no. Enough shitizens can be programmed to do anything and over ride the thinkers. Thinking after all is dangerous to those that cant, wont or dont think.
It's my car, so nobody has the right to tell me it has to have brakes. I am removing the brakes from my car, it's my property, nobody can stop me!!
Actually they can't stop you, and you do have the explicit freedum to remove the brakes from your car. The issue is if you want that same car licensed for use on a public road it must have operable brakes that have passed a State inspection.
Snark actually requires skill and a grasp of relevant facts, feel free to try it again when you meet the prerequisites.
Sorry but that has to be the stupidest comment I've seen on zerohedge in a long time. Take a basic logics class it may help with your future comments.
'Devotees of science often assume that what is called science is real and true. It must be. Otherwise, their faith is broken. Their superficial understanding is shattered. Their “superior view” of the world is torpedoed.
Such people choose unofficial “anti-science” targets to attack. They never think of inspecting their own house for enormous fraud.' -Jon Rappoport
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https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/vaccines-and-herd-immunity...
If vaccines work, then having yourself vaccinated makes you immune to my non-vaccined ass. On to your argument, having brakes on my car doesn't make me immune to your brakeless car.even if this were not so, it's well established that you don't own private property in Murika so your point is doubly moot.
It's also dangerous for those who can, will, and do.
I heard on the radio that apparently they tracked it down to Disneyland. Space Measles!
More like mousepox.
If parents are dumb enough to get thier children vaccinated then go ahead we need to get rd of the dumb gene pool anyway
Hmmm, funny you mention that. Seems there's a petition on Whitehouse.gov about anti-vaxxers having a mental disorder.
We petition the obama administration to: Classify Refusal To Vaccinate Children As A Mental Disorder
Oh good old Merck, they sho put the measles, polio, rabies, hepatitis, HPV. They built a time machine and inserted the strains way back at the beginning of time, around the year 3000BC yo. And they even eluded Jesus when he chased them on his dinosaur! Damn them!
Certainly wouldn't rule it out, particularly given that the epicenter of the outbreak was a narrative-perfect location like Disneyland. But in reality, that's not even really necessary given the true nature of these vaccines. The MMR vaccine contains live viruses. Studies have shown that recently vaccinated people can "shed" these live viruses for 2-4 weeks after receiving their shots, effectively making them contagion vectors for the very diseases these vaccines are supposed to protect us from.
All by design, IMO. Most of these diseases were well on the way to terminal decline long before the pharmaceutical industry created their vaccine products and claimed credit for eradicating them.
By design? infect the unvaccinated to teach them a lesson?
My Dear Sir:
But you are proceeding upon the superstition that Moral Courage and a Hankering to Learn the Truth are ingredients in the human being's makeup. Your premises being wild and foolish, you naturally and properly get wild and foolish results. If you will now reform, and in future proceed upon the sane and unchallengeable hypothesis that those two ingredients are on vacation in our race, and have been from the start, you will be able to account for some things which seem to puzzle you now.
Sincerely yours,
S. L. CLEMENS.
Riverdale-on-the-Hudson, Dec. 21, 1901.
I can tell some misunderstood my post so I will clarify.
Whether its private control or state control, it is still control.
If a public school requires vaccinations, or a private school requires vaccinations, vaccinations are still required. It's the same end result.
It's simple. In a free society you could spend your money on a school which doesn't require vaccines if you are opposed to them. If you like vaccines you can spend your money at a school that does require them. It's a matter of voluntarily action one way or the other. There is no compulsion. I'm not sure what you don't understand about it.
School? Didn't you read the outbreak began at an amusement park? Keep your fucking unvaccinated kids in your home and never let them out. Then people won't care if your kids aren't vaccinated. If they leave your property, then we have a problem that the free market isn't going to solve.
Fuck, some people here are acting as if the unvaccinated live in schools and never leave.
It's dangerous people like you with your militant attitude toward the free choices made by parents on behalf of the children they love and care for who should sequester themselves away from the rest of decent, civilized society.
Like most sadists you have a masochistic side as surely you must be aware that any system which can inflict violence on people whom you see as undesirable can certainly use that same power against you.
Wait, why the hell do you care who is unvaccinated? If YOUR kids have been vaccinated, they're safe........RIGHT?! If you don't answer YES, then by default you are admitting a lack of confidence in the very things you are willing to forcibly inject into everyone else.
Honestly, the level of tyrannical mentality from the pro-vaxxers never ceases to amaze me.
Yep. IN a free society, if there were a huge number of drinkers who didn't like cigarette smoke, then an enterprising bar owner could've opened "Joe's Non-Smoking Bar".
But for some reason, in 20 years of going to bars, I never saw that. Maybe such a bar would've gone out of business almost immediately.
But now, you can't smoke in any bar. because a few whiny statists felt threatened by the actions of free people, they squeaked until the government did something to 'protect the children' or somesuch, and forced their bullshit statist beliefs on all of us backed with gunvermin guns.
There are examples of this everywhere... statists don't feel 'safe' so the get gun toting thugs to take away our liberty.
BRILLIANT!
and
FUCK YEAH!
You simply enroll in another private school with different policies. Unlike corrupt Obozocare where if you like your plan you CAN'T keep your plan.
Oh...like where I'm suddenly not covered for shit and pay more?
No. It's not the same result at all. And that's what you are not understanding.
If there is no difference between private and public control, then why all the controversy over the form of government? Why all the talk about freedom? Why did American colonists rebel against their king and spend an immense amount of time and effort to set up a system that had more flexibility, centered around individual freedom and private property? If it doesn't matter, then why does it seem to matter so much?
Ground rules determine how the game proceeds. They shape the outcomes available to the system that develops within the confines of the ground rules. Which is why we need to limit our urge to set ground rules, as reality repeatedly demonstrates that our imaginations are not spacious or inventive enough to be able to see the future, and thus we need to let the future build itself rather than trying to build it through legislation and rules.
Towers of Babel always fall, because we are much smaller than reality. Once we accept our limitations, we paradoxically reduce the impact those limitations have on us.
The fabric of society is woven with trust. Without trust we have no society and written laws become meaningless. "It's just a matter of trust."
“Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties – the husband, the wife and the state.” –Appellate Court of Illinois, NO. 5-97-0108
“The primary control and custody of infants is with the government.” –Tillman V. Roberts. 108 So. 62
“The court stands in the position of parens patria[e] of children.“ –Ayers v. Kelley, 284 Ala. 321, 224 So.2d 673 (1969)?
“”Parens patriae,” literally “parent of the country,” refers traditionally to role of state as sovereign and guardian of persons under legal disability.”–Ex parte Bayliss, 550 So.2d 986, 988 n. 1 (Ala.1989) (quoting Black’s Law Dictionary 1003 (5th ed.1979)).
“The state has a wide range of power for limiting parental freedom and authority in things affecting the child’s welfare… In fact, the entire familial relationship involves the State.” –Prince, 321 U.S. at 167, 64 S.Ct. at 442, 88 L.Ed. 645.
“In other words, the state is the father and mother of the child and the natural parents are not entitled to custody, except upon the state’s beneficent recognition that natural parents presumably will be the best of its citizens to delegate its custodial powers… ‘The law devolves the custody of infant children upon their parents, not so much upon the ground of natural right in the latter, as because the interests of the children, and the good of the public, will, as a general rule, be thereby promoted.’ ” –Chandler v. Whatley, 238 Ala. 206, 208, 189 So. 751, 753 (1939) (quoting Striplin v. Ware, 36 Ala. at 89) (‘ ’).
It takes a village to raise a child... Warren 2016!
Cherokee people! Cherokee pride!
9th, Let's just say, "fuck the slippery slope" BS and all the other buzzwords. How about we call it like it is, Government run amok. Today it's vaccinations, likely because they think they can garner support through fear.
I challenge supporters of this (or any other) mandatory shit to look at any of these being mandatory; chemo/radiation, life support, preemptive mastectomy, preemptive vasectomy, castration, sex-change surgery, ....Just pick your own most dreaded, and fill in the blank, before you decide that anything should be mandatory.
PS. Here's a link where someone articulates better than me...
http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=AHhHg&m=IhYcD6.2zEg3dL&b=TVsxkuElhB5YlN...
Poor misguided soul. What's wrong with freedom of the individual? This whole Vax argument is bogus, if my kid gets measles from no Vax, yours will be protected anyway due to your diligence. So what's the bitch? Let me guess, you are a control freak and the argument has nothing at all to do with protecting children. You want to further empower Nanny to do your dirty work.
BTW, what is a RIGHT libertarian? What is a RIGHT ANYTHING.? You have the floor, now step up and make a fool of yourself.
I do agree with the sentiment, that the state should stay out of it. But the argument is more complex than you suggest -- namely, "if your kid is not vaccinated and mine is, mine will be ok".
There's a phenomenon called "herd immunity": if a sufficiently large percentage of the population is vaccinated, the disease can't grow into an epidemic in the first place, thus protecting everyone, vaccinated or not. It seems to be a variant of the free rider problem.
Wow. What an excellent example of the inability to reason. Why is it bad if th public school requires vaccines but a private schoold doesn't? Because one is forced to subsidize the public school and not the private school. Becuase that subsidy removes the choice element for the public school that remains for the private school.
Can you really be that clueless?
You missed the entire point of the article.
The whole point is that you need to let disruptive ideas enter into the system, otherwise the system tends to degenerate into static hypocrisy. By hypocrisy I mean something that is all appearance and no substance, all form and no function. A perfect, plastic, hollow surface of absolutely no utility whatseover.
Ask yourself -- why is it illegal to sue vaccine manufacturers for harm from vaccines? If they are so safe and efficacious, then why block the ability to demonstrate publically and legally that they either aren't safe or aren't efficacious? Qui Bono from blocking the ability to hash that question out in public? Certainly not society, right? Doesn't the very existence of this legislation confirm suspicion that vaccines have problems that lawmakers don't want to acknowledge in public? And why on earth would you not want a people who supposedly believe themselves to be free the right to publically discuss this in a legal way? Why do vaccines get this special treatment while other medications, which also benefit the public, don't?
All systems of organized complexity, which includes human society, our ecology, our economy, and our bodies, need room for their constituent components to exercise their full range of motion. Restricting the full range of motion leads to distortions, which lead to imbalances, which lead to collapse. So, you can either let the system dynamically adjust the way it needs to and it stays stable, or you restrict it, which programs in a collapse. And, once you have programmed in colllapse, the longer you hold off that inevitable collapse, the worse the imbalances become, and thus the worse the eventual collapse becomes.
It's the same with ideas. When you refuse to allow the free churn of ideas, you separate human society from reailty. And the longer you refuse to allow society to once again become re-acquainted with reality, the further the group think of society wanders from reality, and the more disruptive and catastrophic the eventual re-alignment with reality becomes. Re-affirming private property is a means of allowing society the freedom to allow ideas to churn and refusing to allow them to be controlled by a central authority.
We are surrounded by health concerns that are telling us in no uncertain terms that we are headed for catastrophe. Just consider how rapidly the 4 A's (Allergy, autism, asthma, and ADHD) have overtaken our kids. The western world will be unfit to keep itself intact literally within a few decades, and we are doing this to ourselves.
The universe is trying to talk to us. We need to listen.
Very nice comment, thanks for the input. From my point of view, it isn't limited to the western world nor is it the human species itself. I'd say we're doing well to listen to what the Earth is telling us as we may be able to act on that message. The universe, although there may be an interesting message coming to us, is still a bit beyond our reach at the present time. First things first?
"those changes aren't permanent... but change is!" RUSH/Moving Pictures/Tom Sawyer/1981- filmed at Le Studio, Morin Heights, Quebec
You are more technically and legally correct than you might think. The below is why the above article is the dumbest article ever written. The STATE does own ALL private property and has time and again RULED that they indeed own your children... and you... Thus, this idiot solution in the article is in fact playing back into the hands of the state itself... does anyone ever do any research ? “Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties – the husband, the wife and the state.” –Appellate Court of Illinois, NO. 5-97-0108
“The primary control and custody of infants is with the government.” –Tillman V. Roberts. 108 So. 62
“The court stands in the position of parens patria[e] of children.“ –Ayers v. Kelley, 284 Ala. 321, 224 So.2d 673 (1969)?
“”Parens patriae,” literally “parent of the country,” refers traditionally to role of state as sovereign and guardian of persons under legal disability.”–Ex parte Bayliss, 550 So.2d 986, 988 n. 1 (Ala.1989) (quoting Black’s Law Dictionary 1003 (5th ed.1979)).
“The state has a wide range of power for limiting parental freedom and authority in things affecting the child’s welfare… In fact, the entire familial relationship involves the State.” –Prince, 321 U.S. at 167, 64 S.Ct. at 442, 88 L.Ed. 645.
“In other words, the state is the father and mother of the child and the natural parents are not entitled to custody, except upon the state’s beneficent recognition that natural parents presumably will be the best of its citizens to delegate its custodial powers… ‘The law devolves the custody of infant children upon their parents, not so much upon the ground of natural right in the latter, as because the interests of the children, and the good of the public, will, as a general rule, be thereby promoted.’ ” –Chandler v. Whatley, 238 Ala. 206, 208, 189 So. 751, 753 (1939) (quoting Striplin v. Ware, 36 Ala. at 89) (‘ ’).
No.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Artilce 2, Section 2, Clause 2 sets out the two parallel frameworks for the two classes of persons, in the USSA.
If the USC was rational, then there would be consolidated defintions in Title 8 (and incorporation of the statutes at large, and no confliucts with CFR, and on and on...). But as the cookie crumbes, one must define persons and animals Title-by-Title and sometimes, Chapter-by-Chapter - so for the sake of brevity, see 22 U.S. Code § 6010, then see the Washington Convention and the proposed texts for TTIP and TPP.
But otherwise, and going back to antiquity -- people are property of their sovereign, although certain classes of people may be enititled to own property themselves.
Pretty sad isn't it? That's why it's pretty hard any morning not to wake up depressed.
Just because it's a law doesn't make it right. We have many unjust laws. Let's change them.
When all you own is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
When all you give a shit about is "private property," all of society's problems can be fixed by private property ownership.
Same fallacy.
And when you believe in the power of the State to do good, all of society's problems can be fixed by yet another government program, however intrusive and inimical to freedom.
And when you believe the phrase " common good" means a statist plot to strip away your freedoms, in particular a nonexistent freedom to let other human beings become ill and die from easily preventable diseases, then we get the above article, and many of these comments, including yours.
How free do you want to be? Total freedom? A bullet to the head should do the trick.
Another moron in need of a remedial class on reasoning.
Private property rights are/were the foundation of the US Republic. Without private property rights freedom is impossible. I don't mean the freedom to choose Starbucks over a competitor either.
There is no viable debate here. The state does have the right, i.e., the power and the will, to act both in the interests of the general welfare AND on behalf of individual children. It happens every day, in a variety of actions, including actions to protect kids from the more mundane types of physical abuse by their parents. The only problem here is that so many parents, along with much of the general population, are becoming uneducated at a rapid pace. These parents have decided that their children are property, while really they are legally incompetent individuals in whom the state has a compelling interest. Surprise, perhaps, but most of you are taking care of both your children and your homes on behalf of the state. And, having met quite a few of you, we can all thank God for that.
joego1
Lucky dog!
That is too bad that there is no vaccination for stupidity.
There is no vaccination for genetic inferiority either.
I was trying to keep my post relatively sane, because, unknowingly to most, stupidity serves the interest of the powerful.
And the situation that we find ourselves in is a clear evidence of it; of the stupidity and self-delusion of the average human.
This might help you understand where your brain is failing you.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/magazine/13Psychology-t.html?pagewante...
You are moralizing when you should be objective.
Anusocracy
Sorry but I don’t have much time right now to answer accordingly.
Anyway, moralizing is a copout to stupidity. Religion thrives on that.
Objectiveness, unfortunately, is misused to misinform and manipulate. Politicians and some Ivy Leaguers are great at that.
Let me give you an example of both at this exchange:
Conversation between MIT professor [Chomsky] and a journalist [Paxman]:
CHOMSKY: The head of one of the Congressional subcommittees, a new Republican, explained that global warming can't be a problem because God promised Noah that there wouldn't be another flood.
PAXMAN: But why do you care about stupid people?
CHOMSKY: Stupid people? These people have power, and they are carrying out actions. They're carrying out the actions that are de-funding possible efforts to do something about these crimes. Furthermore, they're backed by major concentrations of power. The major business lobbies, for example, have announced that they are funding big propaganda campaigns to convince people that this doesn't matter.
These are serious issues. For example, we happen to be in the middle of a huge financial crisis – people have noticed. If you trace that back, a lot of it comes from a fanatic religious belief in what's called the “Efficient Market Hypothesis”. Pure fanaticism dominated the economics profession, dominated the Federal Reserve.
The one consequence was that when an $8 trillion housing bubble developed, totally unrelated to any fundamentals, completely off the 100-year history of housing prices, the profession and the Fed, the central bank, said it's not necessary to pay attention, because there are “Efficient Markets”. I mean, is that very different from “God promised Noah”?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34385.htm
BTW: I saved your link to read over the weekend. Thanks.
Consider that morals are survival mechanisms - behaviors - that evolved to benefit people who lived in past times and in a much different environment. Morality exists in a yin-yang modality so to be immoral was to go against perceived notions of your tribe's survival, while to commit immoral acts against outsiders was accepted as proper behavior as it too promoted your survival. It was man's mental justification of animal behavior in man's world. In that environment, as now, morals would be used to manipulate the behaviors of others.
The advent of top down chain of command structures, like government, along with modern technology, allows a relatively small number of people to exert strong enough control over the majority of people to get them to do things that are not in their best interests - simply by invoking a contrived us-them morality.
Manipulating a small number of people in a tribal situation has turned into a monopoly that transfers massive amounts of wealth and causes death and destruction to millions.
You seem like a sociopath. Do you really think that you are that much more than an "average human"?
Probably a sociopath. She is a collectivist and the brutal force of nature is strong with her.
"That is too bad that there is no vaccination for stupidity."
Then we could get rid of all the government lovers.
Your dog, when vaccinated, was more than likely well over a specific neuro-immunological development period needed before one throws specificly recognizable immunoractive proteins in its vein; that however is not the case for humans being vaccinated today.
Injecting a human with such items (immunoractive proteins) before their immune system even understands how to discern foreign or self.
That is a fucking crime.
Touch my kid with even a thought of one and I will defend his life with facts.
Any more than a thought and I can say proudly we... Are armed.
Your nuts.
What about his nuts? Probably just another case of apostrophe envy.
typical statist response to facts and liberty.
Improper spelling and adhominem attack.
I wonder, are there a small staff of idiots on the government payroll, who's job it is to go any website discussing odditites presented in our media as crazy and stupid?
Looking at other message boards and youtube, the most common 'debunking' comment on any sort of non-mainstream idea, is called "stupid, crazy" or the utlimate winner like this one: "your nuts" or "your an idiot".
Somebody who doesn't know how to conjugate or know how to use apostrophies is somebody that's spent way too much time staring at glowing screens IMHO.
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joego, I'll omit the adhominem attack and just say:
FUCK OFF.
Taking blood by force when the subject refuses a breathalizer is right up there. Even in Texas they pull this shit.
WROL is gonna suck, but let's go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH0yeCTbfvw
http://sputniknews.com/us/20150210/1018024202.html
A Texas woman is filing suit claiming Austin police strapped her to chair,
put a bag over her head and held her in a chokehold
to forcibly draw blood for a DUI test.
Welcome to Deming, New Mexico -- Where Police Rape is a Matter of "Protocol"http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2013/11/welcome-to-deming-new-mexic...
Texas? liberty? Try and get a hotel room with windows that open. People don't notice the little shit.
choice by my definition.....is no choice..
How fucking silly is this? Do you really want Starbucks, McDonalds and everyone else checking your vaccine certificates before they let you in the door?
If you stop going to Starbucks and McDonalds your need for a vaccine would decline.
anti-vaxxers are dipshits who fail to understand basic science. so here's how it works... society doesn't need or want them. no public schools, no access to public facilities and they become civilly and criminally liable for all impacts. Your precious dipshit kid gets something and spreads it? You are personally liable for every medical cost until all assets are drained. It's called herd immunity, and sorry to say, it's real. Want to live in a world where these vaccinations are not required? Then help erradicate the damn diseases in the first place with the vaccines.... dipshits.
Only morons act so irrational when defending their ridiculous side of a debate.
Herd immunity, are you fucking seriuos? If you get your kid vaccinated then why are you worried? This herd immunity argument is total bullshit. It's just a way to scare brain dead parents into scaring other parents who don't know enough. If you got a vaccine against a particular strain of virus or bacteria then it doesn't matter if your kid goes to school with someone who gets infected.
Hey if you want to deny my access to "public" schools and other government "services" for my children cause I don't agree with your crazy ass then I'll gladly not pay income and property tax in exchange.
You can't honestly expect to force people to do something to their kids that they don't agree with especially when the parents are completely responsible for their well being and financial welfare.
Vaccines, same as science, are not religion. They are liable to falsifiability. Popper dude, read it. Don't stick it up your ass. Vaccines are not 100% effective. But with herd immunity you got better chances. Specially those with lowered immune systems, like people with transplants. Get it? No? I thought so. Einstein said something about stupidity being infinite, I now understand why.
You're fighting against a sock puppet account here... not worth the argument. dipshits love nothing more than being dipshits.
LOL is that all you got, look how long I have been here. Longer than your sorry ass pal.
although to be fair this last one is not par for the course...
but yeah once you've done your homework and understand what makes vaccines tick
why it needs adjuvants, how the immune response is sustained
once you've researched so much about the human health be it through biochemistry to psychology and ecology
that by hearing about the discipline of neuropsychoimmunology it'd kind of already make sense
then kid come back and try again your pro-vax nazi patrol shtick
see if you believe in it yourself
Yeah, I guess over a 100 years of cumulative scientific discoveries, bibliography and experiments (and through falsifiability and reproduction of results) are no match for your "research".
Your right, none of the crap you are spewing sounds like dogma at all!
Funniest fucking shit you said all day. You can't be honestly serious about that, they get paid to conduct a study by what ever company asks them to conduct it, it is a conflict of interest you dip shit.
For pretending to be smarter than myself you apparently didn't comprehend that those two sentances are a contradiction of logic. Vaccines are either 100% effective or they aren't. Period, end of story.
You and me both, you know Mark Twain had a saying too, something about better to be thought a fool than not shutting the fuck up and removing all doubt.
"Your right, none of the crap you are spewing sounds like dogma at all! "
Well, that's a philosophical issue here. Is the scientific method the best way we have to understand nature or not? I think it is. You show to think you don't.
"Funniest fucking shit you said all day. You can't be honestly serious about that, they get paid to conduct a study by what ever company asks them to conduct it, it is a conflict of interest you dip shit."
Yeah, the scientific bodies of the whole world are out to get you. It's time for you to get your olanzapine... oh wait, you don't believe in science. Can I offer you some dried baby dicks or pangolin scales instead?
"For pretending to be smarter than myself you apparently didn't comprehend that those two sentances are a contradiction of logic. Vaccines are either 100% effective or they aren't. Period, end of story. "
Stupid is as stupid posts I guess. 2 sentences. 1st vaccines are not 100% effective; 2nd herd immunity gives you higher chances (HIGHER CHANCES IN AVOIDING INFECTION BECAUSE VACCINES AREN'T 100% EFFECTIVE - VACCINES ARE NOT MANICHEAN - SCIENCE ISN'T BLACK AND WHITE IF IT'S NEVER 100% RIGHT (POPPER BITCH, UP YOUR BRAIN, NOT OUR ASS)
"You and me both, you know Mark Twain had a saying too, something about better to be thought a fool than not shutting the fuck up and removing all doubt."
Right dude. Why do you speak then. Everytime I hear from now on people here talking about how yankees are so stupid I'm gonna show them your posts. It's a laugh.
So parents are held criminally liable while the vaccine manufacturers are protected from liability by vaccine court? I can see which team you're on, dipshit.
step one: flood of infected kids distributed to schools througout the country in secret to spread childhood diseases
step two: create panic and forced vaccinations (now a third shot) of a new hyped-up MMR vac with extra mercury and aluminum (note that measles-only vaccine is no longer available in the US)
step three: Autism cases rise to one in 25
step four: two adults leave the workforce to care for each austistic child
step five: labor participation rate drops, unemployment drops, Fed given the green light to raise rates, QED
see, everything is about the Fed!
Fuck you telling other people what to do with their families and selves.
You piece of statist shit.
I think your dumb ass should be euthanized for being a moron. You could get behind the wheel and hurt somone.
RIPS
Fuck you for letting your unvaccinated kids out in public. Preventable diseases are by definition "preventable." How about we prevent them?
The euthanized comment shows your true colors. Statism is bad, yet you think people should die if they disagree with you. Sounds like you plan a few death camps for your libertarian utopia.
Fuck you for letting your vaccinated kids out of the house before they have passed the contagious period.
You are an idiot. People are getting measles who have been vaccinated. Most of the deaths from flu I have seen this year which has far exceeded the death toll from last year, have been vaccinated. Vaccines have been touted as a panacea for all the problems today when they only confer limited immunity at best. A healthy child is immunologically far better off getting live wild type virus vs 20 different shots containing preservatives, adjuvants and other substances which are antigenic in themselves.
Also, much has been elucidated simply by the means of vaccination. A virus doesn't infect someone by invading muscle. The first step of an immune response is contact with mucus membranes so the whole vehicle model isn't correct as well.
The thought of eradicating disease with vaccines is simply laughable. Go, give it your best shot with influenza, norovirus with their numerous strains and high mutation rates. These viruses have been with us from the dawn of time and they won't be contained by a shot.
The real issue today is the overall poor health of the population making these infections far more serious than they were in the past.
Miffed
Thank you for the info mifed, what kinds of preservatives do they put in vaccinations?
The main preservative ( anti bacterial and anti fungal) for years that has been used for years is thimerosal which is mercury containing. There are many different adjuvants used to enhance immune response, most aluminum salts. Squalene has been shown to produce rheumatoid arthritis in mice. I do not know if it is being used the USA yet.
There is something to be said when you must use an adjuvant to enhance a vaccine when the overall efficacy is often less than 40%. People should read the product insert before getting a shot and I think they would change their minds. Of course, a white coated authority figure tends to sway people more than facts on a page.
Miffed
Miffed, don't seniors have a weaker immune response to vaccines and therefore less of an effect?
I do intermittent fasting to clear out and replenish old immune cells.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/140605141507.htm
Yes, the majority of deaths from flu have been predominately in seniors as it always is. 30,000 people die from flu in this country every year despite a massive campaign to vaccinate. The prodominate feature of deaths I see? People with heart problems and on kidney dialysis due to diabetes and COPD patients. Not the pinnacle of health by any means and adding in the fact they are elderly just makes it more likely they will succumb to a virus.
What cracks me up is the seasonal flu making the rounds isn't even in this years shot and they STILL are promoting it! Well, I guess they don't make any money if it sits unused in a warehouse.
Miffed
Miffed, I am anti-vaccine. I am in healthcare.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/death-by-influenza_b_46614...
http://cpi.probeinternational.org/2004/10/24/vaccine-fevers/ (dated article, but telling nonetheless)
http://www.naturalnews.com/048530_flu_shot_CDC_vaccine_death.html
When the complete truth about vaccines is told by the companies that sell them, I may listen to what they have to say. At this point, I say vaccines are madness.
Miffed, 30,000 people do not die each year from the flu. That is a wildly bogus figure. See also
http://www.jpands.org/vol18no2/hieb.pdf
I reckon so: Miffed, 30,000 people do not die each year from the flu. That is a wildly bogus figure.
From the CDC
" Over a period of 30 years, between 1976 and 2006, estimates of flu-associated deaths in the United States range from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people."
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/disease.htm
Go to a patient with your dumb ideas and you'll lose your MD if you have one.
Miffed, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've written in this thread, but that flu death figure you cited is VASTLY inflated. The CDC lumps flu deaths in with pneumonia deaths. The real figures that they actually bothered to link to influenza are actually in the hundreds annually. Check out Jon Rappaport's blog (nomorefakenews.com) for details on this statistical chicanery. Truly shocking stuff, these people have no conscience whatsoever.
Having contracted the flu, and then getting pneumonia as a result, the causal connection between the two diseases allows the CDC to call flu caused pheunmonia deaths as flu deaths.
Same as if a person were shot through the large intestine and acquired a massive, body wide infection as a result would still be counted as a gun death if they died as a result of the infection.
This is absolutely true and thanks for bringing this up. Death certificates rarely list a definitive cause of death. HIV was widely under reported because cause of death was listed as opportunistic infections. I stand by my original number admitting there is no way flu was definitive in the cause of each death. Most likely contributory. Rarely have I seen a person, the picture of health die from flu.
Miffed
Since the flu virus can mutate so quickly that a flu shot can be rendered useless in 6 months, you would think that a few proteins on the measles virus MIGHT be different from the strain that has been used for decades to make the MMR vac, making the vaccine less effective.
Miffed hello and I agree with most of your posts - we remember the ebola threat and how both of us (as were many in health fields) against the stupid CDC and .gov position of open travel to and from the hot zone in africa..we hear very little today because they stopped it IMO and just did not admit the back tracking on open travel.
one owns one body and parents are the most responsible for children. vaccines esp anti viral have side effects some very severe. I get vaccines like pneumovax, hep b, sometimes flu (rarely), but in the end the state does not have the right to inject anyone ..join the military and you lose that right to refuse - join an organization that requires it and you lose that right.
perhaps better control of vectors such as illegal immigration would be where our efforts should be focused (like ebola outbreak) and good hygene practice in healthcare and the community.
there is no easy :do this answer to this other than I will always support freedom of individual over the dictates of the police state. control is what .gov must have and use of force is what they will use even if they have to kill you to protect you form some threat that they mandate is primary-like fighting terrorist by abusing our freedoms. no thanks.
Over,
Please don't take my statement as some kind of authority. I really post my opinion based what I'm seeing clinically as I work the bench plus seminars I go to on molecular diagnostics and microbiological research. I'm certainly no authority on vaccines.
My opinion came after have a severe reaction to a flu vaccine many years ago that almost hospitalized me. The pain was indescribably excruciating and my fever was going over 104. I was the only one in my family that got the shot and though my symptoms were flu like, none of them got this highly communicable virus, including my 78 year old mother in law. Since I had a mild reaction the year before, I investigated what the likely cause could be. Adjuvant allergy seemed the likely culprit. I will never get another shot to prove this fearing my life would be at stake it I were right.
It's nice to have a comrade in arms and don't worry I certainly don't mind in the least we don't agree all time. Hell, what fun is that! Don't hesitant goosing me in the ass if you feel like it...it's fight club! ;-)
Miffed;-)
Awesome, so vaccinate yourself as much as you want.
If you get sick because I gave it to you, you should ask more questions.
Fucking pod.
For the record...herd immunity is used to provide a level of protection to a vulnerable, unvaccinated subgroup. The key word is unvaccinated, the vaccine should have granted your child immunity from the disease.
It's not possible to be 100% immune to any and all strains. It's more likely that a vaccination will have a certain percentage of effectiveness, which at the very least will decrease the severity of an actual infection. It's not a magic bullet. But here's the key: weakened infections tend not to spread very much, nor do they tend to mutate as much. It's all about giving your immune system a head start in generating antibodies when there is aninfection. That's all it has ever been.
Anything talking about mercury is bullshit, it was proven harmless, and they removed it anyways just to shut up the idiots... yet the idiots refuse to recognize that 1) it was harmless and 2) it's been removed. A bunch of self-centered prats who have no fucking clue what they are talking about is the root of this crap. The simple and easy solution here is mandatory participation or exclusion from society. Don't like it? Tough fucking shit.
Do you have any idea how you sound. You have no right, none what so fucking ever to decide on your own what is good for other people. History is full of the road paved to hell by idiots like you. I really hope you are just a troll. Have a good night.
Fuck off, seriously. you have less than no right. you reject facts in favor of bullshit. the world needs less of you.
Less than no right to what genius?
What facts? You haven't said one factual thing yet. Nothing but bullshit coming out of your mouth.
Less of me? Or less of your kind of attitude. Despite the fact that I despise your awful position, I would still never wish harm to you. Have a good night.
laomei: "Anything talking about mercury is bullshit, it was proven harmless, and they removed it anyways
Mercury containg compounds are extremely toxic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_poisoning
Many multi-dose vials contain thiomersol.
FLULAVAL, Influenza Vaccine
Each 0.5-mL dose from the multi-dose vial contains 50 mcg thimerosal (<25 mcg mercury); thimerosal, a mercury derivative, is added as a preservative. Page 10
https://www.gsksource.com/gskprm/htdocs/documents/FLULAVAL.PDF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy
Sorry, but this is uniquely an "only in america are people this fucking retarded" issue.
Fun fact for you laomei: Dentists are far more likely to commit suicide and get other mental disorders, why is that? Breathing in mercury vapour when adding in fillings to people's teeth.
Another fun fact for you laomei: Mothers always say to their children to not bite the thermometer placed in their mouth, why is that? Because the thermometer liquid inside is mercury.
Mercury is a deadly substance. While vaccines mess up the immune system of a large minority of the population, why do you think allergies are sky-rocketing? Because people's immune systems are so fucked up.
Mad as a 'atter 'e was.
Should I be prepared for a new outbreak of Polio? I never realized that hepatitis was airborne.
Your biggest failing here is that you incorrectly believe that scientific or medical problems require a better solution that " more private property rights." On ZH, you couldn't be more wrong.
"More private property rights" is the solution to all the world's problems, no matter how big or how small. And the label for those who think more private property rights might not be the sole solution to all the world's problems is "statist."
I haven't logged on here for ages but did so today to see the numbers. I regard the numbers here as a good barometer as the average zerohedge reader seems to be smarter than average. So at the time of writing the informed consensus is that you have a 20% chance of being right and an 80% chance of being the real dipshit.
Whenever some moron like laomei accuses his opponents of not understanding science, or states that the science is settled, you can be certain that they will follow up with a statement that proves they have no understanding of science at all.
Vaccines and “herd immunity” nonsense
by Jon Rappoport
November 13, 2014
NoMoreFakeNews.com
Hail to the group! The group is all!
The concept of herd immunity (protection for the population) is often used by vaccine addicts as a way to push guilt at people who don’t line up, with their children, like robots for their shots.
From the point of view of protecting people who are already vaccinated, herd immunity is flat-out absurd.
Little Jimmy, whose parents have decided not to vaccinate him, will pass diseases on to kids who are already vaccinated? Oh, you mean those immunized kids aren’t really safe? Then why did you vaccinate them in the first place?
From another point of view, herd immunity is the idea that people who “can’t be” vaccinated (for example, those who are obviously allergic to elements contained in vaccines) will gain a measure of protection, if larger and larger numbers of others are vaccinated.
The vaccinated protecting the unvaccinated.
This is foolish, because what actually protects people against disease is the strength of their immune systems, and that strength has nothing to do with vaccination.
If a person has a weak immune system, he will get dangerously sick, and it doesn’t matter how many people around him are vaccinated against how many diseases.
So even if one accepts the (false) premise that vaccines are effective and safe, the premise of herd immunity is ludicrous.
Vaccination is, in fact, a cover story used to conceal the fact that the health of populations has everything to do with good nutrition, adequate sanitation, and an absence of toxic elements in the environment.
There are many doctors who know this, but they refuse to speak out, because they know they’ll suffer consequences.
Vaccination, as a propaganda strategy, is used to medicalize the population—to assert that good health is fundamentally a medical matter.
It isn’t.
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/vaccinegate/
I'm not an epidemiologist but why should the parents of children that have been vaccinated care what other people do with their children. Full disclosure I'm vaccinated and have no kids, or an M.D..
Because vaccines only greatly reduce the chance of getting sick.
I've had adverse reactions from vaccines, so your statement is false.
Then at best its not a very effective vaccine, and at worst a placebo. You need to think polio vaccine, it is an effective vaccine as it actually stops the disease. I will make it easier for you lets just mandate hand washing, as it also reduces the chance of getting sick.
You're promoting hand washing? Good thing you live in 2015 and not in the 1800s or you would be put in an insane aslyum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_reaction_to_Ignaz_Semmelweis
I always read about how anti-vaxers are crazy and need to be locked up and have their children taken away. What if discoveries are made 10, 20, 50, 100 years from now that show that today's vaccines are junk science and new treatments and preventions become readily available with no adverse reactions? Will we be mocked in history books, the same way that we mock racial hygiene today, even though that was established mainstream "science" as recently as 70 years ago.
Speaking of history, the debate over mandatory vaccination is as old as the idea of innoculation, when it was actually dangerous and not just in the minds of those misled by a Playboy model pretending to know something about medicine. Jenner's first smallpox innoculation method was known to be dangerous: it would keep most of the population from experiencing the full effects of the "red plague," one of the most dangerous and devastating diseases in history (think of the results in the New World, where the natives had no immunity to it whatsoever), but there was a statistical certainty that some of the innoculated would, from the vaccine itself, contract the full form of smallpox and die as horribly as anyone who caught the disease.
There's a 400 line epic poem in Latin by the Dutch doctor Gadso Coopmans, entitled Varis: he recited it in 1783 before an audience of doctors. It gives the usual sort of cute mythological story for the origin of the disease, something about an ancient shepherd spurning a goddess' advances and earning her vengeance in the form of a terrible disease. The gods wouldn't reverse the curse, but man was able, through centuries of science, to learn how to create a vaccine. The disease, meanwhile, broke out again as an epidemic and killed many, but doctors began fighting back with innoculations. The poem's subject shifts to one young doctor in Friesland, who set about vaccinating his city during the epidemic. His success made him proud and overconfident. He knew the risk meant that someone would die: he could not have known that it would be his own daughter. The city was saved, but the doctor's daughter died in great pain. The doctors assembled that day in 1783, hearing Coopmans' poem, knew that the myth about the shepherd was just a story, but that the doctor of the second part was Gadso Coopman himself, who had killed his own daughter Joanna with smallpox by trying to protect her against it.
The stakes are much lower now: America is not suffering a crippling plague of smallpox, just a handful of measles cases, and the vaccines don't actually pose any danger compared to Jenner's variolization. In no small way, our more felicitous circumstances of the present are the result of the general vaccinations that freed the West from smallpox, polio, and other devastations, as well as the difficult choices that led to general vaccination. They are also the result of the progress of science, which has learned to evaluate treatments rigorously, something that was only dawning at the time that Semmelweis wrote about bleaching hands (not just hand washing -- doctors were already doing that then). Semmelweis' work didn't even meet the demands for proof at the time, and certainly wouldn't today, although it would point towards where work needed to be done. When Semmelweis began preaching the use of bleach, germ theory hadn't even been developed. Today, we know what bacteria and viruses cause what diseases, we know how vaccination works, and we know how to do it more safely than in the past. The only people who are going to be mocked are the ones who reject hundreds of years of scientific research and well-understood, refined, tried and tested methods of preventing disease in order to follow Jenny McCarthy back into the dark ages.
You are missing the one thing "TRUST". While some vaccinations may have saved countless of lives. Not all vaccinations are the same. Drug companies care more about your money and less about your health. In FACT they want to treat all your symptoms and create more symptoms to sell you more drugs.
When I moved to Texas, I refused the HPV vaccination for my daughters. They tried insisting three times before finally giving me the paper to sign declaring I refused it. I don't trust it, I don't trust what has been put in it. I don't like the idea of them bypassing the human self defence system and directly injecting a drug in my blood stream.
This so called vaccination has been banned in three countries. I do not get a warm and fuzzy feeling when I read about this so called vaccination. It is my "Right" to say "No Thanks".
http://www.ashotoftruth.org/vaccines/hpv-vaccine
It's called science. It has falsifiability. Popper dude. Read it, don't stick it up your ass.
The great truth is you'll have better success in preventing any infectious disease which gains entry via the sinus system (that's pretty much all the common ones) by training yourself to not touch your nose and face with your hands. Videos confirm most do this out of habit many times daily, much more than they wash their hands. So, simply training yourself to recognize this habit will do you more good than any vaccine, which can only prime the immune system, not guarantee no infection. Doctors are being trained to develop this good habit and its reducing their infection rates drastically.
For the same reason a police office wearing a bullet proof vest gets all excited if you point a gun at him, vaccines are not 100% effective, some people still have no or limited immunity. Having everyone vaccinated greatly reduces the chances that those not immune will be exposed.
The entire purpose of a vaccine is to give the person immunity to the virus So what I'm reading is that the vaccines are not very effective and it leave vast amounts of the population vulnerable to the virus.
What about people with lowered immune systems, like those with transplants? Non vaccinated people are a real threat to them.
Your idea might work IF we had a true free market economy. The trouble is, large corporations are taking over the marketplace, while small, private schools, medical practices, and businesses are being run out of business. Big corporations almost always accept and enforce the Government recommendations. Ditto for the educational and medical establishment. So good luck trying to find places where you are welcome if you have "opted out" of the vaccinations, Common Core, gun-free zones, collection of your biometric data, etc.
If one speaks about the efficacy of freedom in one aspect of life it does not imply that one expects such freedom to occur in a vacuum. Quite the contrary. More freedom is wanted all around.
Let's explore the logical consequences of this proposal. Private school A advertises mandatory vaccination while private school B advertises no mandatory vaccination. Result? Most parents avoid private school B (because most parents understand the necessity of vaccinating their children). Thus, the ratio of A-type schools to B-type schools is something like 10:1. Many more school choices for vaccine parents than for non-vaccine parents. Smart people who understand that vaccinated children are much less likely to transmit disease avoid teaching at B-type schools, so teaching quality at B-type schools is much worse than at A-type schools. Children going to B-type schools are undereducated and further disadvantaged relative to children going to A-type schools. Children at B-type schools will be sicker, so their parents will spend more money on health care, leaving less for other uses, in effect making the parents of children at B-type schools poorer. Oh, and people with no money don't get to send their kids to either school. Sounds to me like this proposal needs more development.
On the other hand, one way to look at this proposal is that it will greatly accelerate the obliviation of people who refuse vaccination. Perhaps there is some merit after all.
Or you might find that the people who do not vaccinate, who build their immune system as it was designed/evolved, will be the healthier set.
Every generation believes it is the pinnacle of evolution. Such hubris.
Where did you come up with that statistic? Off of the top of your ape brain?
You "logical" types crack me up. You guys act like you are men of science, science is your truth, yet you use your imagination or irrationality to come up with false data and cooked up numbers to attempt to prove your points.
just assume everyone is using convoluted logic and made up talking points to convince you to give them your money for the snake oil they're selling.
"the logic and the math were flawless" said the Nobel laureates from Long-Term Capital Mgmt.
+1
Big Pharma and snakeoil salesmen on tinfoil hat websites selling herbal supplements are just as bad. The only difference is size. Proceed with caution either way.
Your comment seems so reasonable now.
You obviously deleted the part about double-tapping any non-vaccinated child with what, the measles or mumps or another common childhood illness, who comes within 100 feet of your precious, vaccinated (but apparently unprotected) kid.
Clever.
yeah, i was already buzzed and don't have any kids, so realistically, I have no skin in this particular 'game.'
i was just blurting out the 1st thing that popped into my head... but then i thought about it, and realized I have never bought into one of those yearly 'vaccines here' ads. so live and let live.
Yep cause humans barely survived before flu vaccines. Way to fear monger.
So, as a parent, I'm faced with PUBLIC/CHARTER/MAGNET SCHOOL (which allows some exemptions for vaccines, for now), PRIVATE SCHOOL A (which requires vaccines) and PRIVATE SCHOOL B (where parents have the choice to vaccinate.)
Seems to me that B is offering a rare, and to some, desired option.
THe people who don't vaccinate are the wealthier, better educated "Soccer Moms." THey'll be chooseing between the three above options because, in their tony neighborhood, the public school is probably acceptable though the private options provide a better education. So, a soccer mom who chooses not to have inoculations will be choosing between public and private B.
SInce these moms are well-connected, they'll probably get the public school to let them opt out, perhaps using a phony religious conscience objection.
Private A will be eliminated, not preferred, by the parents who choose not to inoculate. Thus, Private A's potential student pool will shrink, at the same time that private B draws from a much larger possible pool of students.
Private B wins.