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Ukrainians Rage Against Military Draft: "We're Sick Of This War"
Submitted by Justin Raimondo via Anti-War.com,
When Ukrainian army officers came to the Ukrainian village of Velikaya Znamenka to tell the men to prepare to be drafted, they weren’t prepared for what happened next. As the commanding officer was speaking, a woman seized the microphone and proceeded to tell him off: "We’re sick of this war! Our husbands and sons aren’t going anywhere!" She then launched into a passionate speech, denouncing the war, and the coup leaders in Kiev, to the cheers of the crowd.
What she did is now a crime in Ukraine: the only reason she wasn’t arrested on the spot is that the villagers wouldn’t have permitted it. But in Ukrainian Transcarpathia, well-known journalist for Ukrainian Channel 112 Ruslan Kotsaba has been arrested and charged with "treason" and "espionage" for making a video in which he declared: "I would rather sit in jail for three to five years than go to the east to kill my Ukrainian brothers. This fear-mongering must be stopped." Kotsaba may sit in jail for twenty-three years, the prescribed term for the charges filed against him.
Kotsaba’s arrest is part of a desperate effort by the Ukrainian government to intimidate the growing antiwar and anti-draft movement, which threatens to upend Kiev’s dreams of conquering the rebellious eastern provinces. Kotsaba’s particular crime, according to prosecutors, was in describing the conflict as a civil war rather than a Russian "invasion." This is a point the authorities cannot tolerate: the same meme being relentlessly broadcast by the Western media – that an indigenous rebellion with substantial support is really a Russian plot to "subvert" Ukraine and reestablish the Warsaw Pact – now has the force of law in Ukraine. Anyone who contradicts it is subject to arrest.
Also subject to arrest, and worse: the thousands who are fleeing the country in order to avoid being conscripted into the military. In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: “According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.” President Petro Poroshenko, the Chocolate Oligarch, is readying a decree imposing possible restrictions on foreign travel for those of draft age – which means anyone from age 25 to 60. Ukrainians may soon be prisoners in their own country – but they aren’t taking it lying down.
Draft resistance is at an all-time high: a mere 6 percent of those called up have reported voluntarily. This has forced the Kiev authorities to go knocking on doors – where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone, or else ghost towns where virtually everyone has fled. In the Transcarpathia region of western Ukraine, entire villages have been emptied, the inhabitants fleeing to Russia to wait out the war – or the fall of the Kiev regime, whichever comes first. "It may seem a paradox," says Transcarpathia’s chief recruitment officer, "but from the western Ukrainian region of Ternopyl people have fled to Russia in order to escape army conscription." The frantic Ukrainian regime is now contemplating conscripting women over 20.
Poroshenko’s military mobilization is due not only to numerous setbacks in the east – Ukrainian troops are being pushed back on all fronts by highly motivated rebels defending their own towns and villages – but also because thousands are deserting, throwing down their arms and fleeing to Russia. In response, the Ukrainian parliament has passed a law authorizing local commanders to shoot deserters on the spot.
With Poroshenko’s war looking like a major disaster, one that could easily topple his EU/US-installed regime, the War Party in the US is turning up the heat, demanding that Washington provide Kiev with arms. Sen. John McCain is – naturally – leading the charge, but prominent liberals are also in the front ranks, with leading scholars of the Brookings Institution recently calling for heavy weapons to be sent. That provoked a response from a dissident within Brookings, former State Department official Jeremy Shapiro, who argues that the Ukrainian conflict is a civil war that cannot have a military solution, and is more than likely to provoke a dangerous military confrontation with Russia.
The Obama administration is under considerable pressure from within the President’s own party to start arming the Ukrainian army, but America’s European allies are reluctant to let this war go on much longer, especially now that their sock puppet Poroshenko is increasingly unpopular. With protests erupting all over western Ukraine, Germany’s Angela Merkel is openly opposing escalation of the war. She made that clear at a recent conference in Munich, where Merkel spoke after returning from talks with Russia’s Vladimir Putin and French President Francois Hollande. Meanwhile, on the sidelines, McCain was telling reporters: "If we had provided Ukraine with weapons they wouldn’t have had to use cluster bombs."
They don’t call him "Mad John" for nothing.
The United States is providing the Kiev regime with military training, and we already have American boots on the ground there, ostensibly to "strengthen the rule of law." What that means in practice is that we are bolstering a government that has declared war on its own people, and is rapidly closing off all legal means of dissent – charging political opponents with "treason," banning political parties, and unleashing ultra-nationalist mobs on anyone who dares dissent. While the US State Department regularly canoodles with Russian "dissidents" who defile Orthodox churches and bare their breasts for the Western cameras, you won’t hear Marie Harf so much as mention Ruslan Kotsaba’s name. As far as I know, the Global Post is the only Western media outlet that has noted his existence – and I’ve not seen a single mention in English about his arrest.
Ukraine is a tripwire that could easily set off World War III – and US provocations are edging closer to that by the day. The crisis was initiated by Washington’s regime-change campaign which succeeded in violently overthrowing elected President Viktor Yanukovych, whose electoral victory was made possible by the criminal incompetence and outright thievery of his predecessor, US-supported Viktor Yushchenko. The so-called "Orange Revolution" led to economic chaos, rampant corruption, and the unleashing of a virulent nationalist current that has culminated in the rise of open neo-Nazis taking seats in the Ukrainian parliament. We are seeing its openly fascistic culmination in the current gang lording over Kiev.
All this was done in the name of sticking a finger in Vladimir Putin’s eye, whose great sin has been kicking out thieving oligarchs and opposing US pretensions to global hegemony. Washington’s ultimate goal is regime-change in the Kremlin, and the reinstallation of a Yeltsin-like sock puppet who, when Washington says "Jump!", will answer: "How high?"
That they’re willing to risk World War III in order to achieve their goal underscores the sheer craziness of US foreign policy. The latest official US "National Security Strategy" puts the new cold war at the center of Washington’s military-diplomatic vision – an emphasis so monstrously misplaced that it’s hard to believe they’re serious. Yet you had better believe it: this is what we can expect from a future Democratic administration, if one should come to pass, with Hillary Clinton taking her husband’s Slavophobia – remember the Kosovo war? – to new heights of unreason.
The US has no business interfering in Ukraine’s civil war, and no legitimate security interest in the question of who gets to administer Crimea – which has been Russian since the days of Catherine the Great. The idea that we are going to confront Russia over this issue is dangerous nonsense – and, unfortunately, it is just the sort of nonsense politicians of both parties find hard to resist.
There are even some ostensible "libertarians" who can’t resist the temptation to refight the cold war, notably the voluble and well-placed NATO-tarian faction of "Students for Liberty" (SFL), who denounced Ron Paul for his supposedly "pro-Putin" (i.e. anti-interventionist) statements on Ukraine. Ron is appearing at their upcoming "International Conference," with several of the loudest NATO-tarians in attendance: one hopes he’ll give them a good talking to, although perhaps a spanking is more appropriate for these noisy brats. These juvenile blatherskites claim "Compelling arguments can be made for both advocates of globalist and noninterventionist foreign policy positions," but aver that "Ron Paul has crossed the line." It is they who have crossed the line: no libertarian is or can be an advocate of a "globalist" foreign policy – because conquering the globe is, you know, a statist thing.
Of course now that Ukraine – where SFL held a conference – is jailing draft-resisters and clamping down on all dissent, we don’t hear a peep from these adolescent cold warriors. They talk a lot about "liberty," but not in places where it can get them into trouble.
The main danger to liberty and peace in the world isn’t in the Kremlin, or Peking, or North Korea – it’s right here in these United States of America, in the global epicenter of evil otherwise known as Washington, D.C. This, our "libertarian internationalists" claim, is vulgar "anti-Americanism," but these foreigners have little conception of what true Americanism is all about. The Founding Fathers of this country are rolling in their graves as the usurpers in Washington sully the good name of America with the blood of innocents worldwide and defile the Constitution in the process. True Americanism means opposing these monsters as they rampage over the earth and destroy our civil liberties at home – not dutifully echoing their rationalizations for endless wars of aggression.
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Obama out of the Ukraine so far?
Have you been on a meth jag for 12 months?
I think he may mean it literally. Obama, unlike Biden, has not been in Ukraine.
:D
So I have a question. Reports are that over 2 million Ukranians have fled to Russia including over 1 million men of conscription age. What if a portion of these men who voted with their feet to not fight for the Kiev regime volounteered to be trained by Russia and then re-entered the Ukraine as a patriaotic army of Ukranian liberation. My question is if this were possible how would the propaganda machine in the west spin this to maintain the illusion of legitimacy of the Kiev Regime. This 3rd force would have equal claim to fly the Ukranian flag. Sounds like the Uke's have burned through all their ammo stockpiles which are just soviet leftovers but are now buying surplus polish and hungarian ammo. Bussines will be good when all those stockpiles need to be rebuilt
This war is particularly ugly by the rabid support the west has for what appears to be a Government without an ounce of legitimacy. Russia seem to me trying their damndest not to get drawn in the the conflict directly despite repeated provocations. Someone has to hate real bad or be stupid as a _____ to voulounteer or allow themselves to be drafted into the Ukrainian army
When they close Ukie controlled airspace to bring in US supply planes, that cargo isn't gourmet MRE's . . .
still. when hitler's assault ran out of steam, didn't stalin surprize him with a couple of dozen fresh divisions from the urals. Thats a lot men just sitting around watching their country get chewed up. Those humanitarian cargo planes will only beget more and similar humanitarian aid moving to the sepratists.
as for closed airspace thats just to keep the civilians out. I don't think the Ukes have any air support other than indescriminate high level bombs in cloudy weather.
Look at the fucking amorphous meatheads running security around this thing.
High percentage of Neandertal in them there DNAs.
Where are the American women with the guts and courage of that Ukrainian woman? Are they so busy buying botox and cosmetics and lattes from Starbucks?
War is when the government tells the people who the enemy is.
Revolution is when the people finally know who is the real enemy.
Try a draft in the US . . .
All my life I've been taught that men and women are equal, that it's sexist, unfair, and wrong if women get less of anything men get. So if there's another draft, it has to apply equally to women, or I swear I'll hide a hundred draft-age boys and bring them food.
If feminists expect us men to die for their freedom, then draft the ugly hags and use them as front-line cannon fodder.
War is when the government tells the people who the enemy is.
Revolution is when the people finally know who is the real enemy.
AWESOME!
If zerohedge is so objective than why can't it translate and publish this youtube video? huh? where is the problem now? This is what east ukranians think of Russian invasion. Those who know what is Putin.
http://youtu.be/4SqpX-l_8Fo
you laughable little troll. your stinking little country won't last a day, come war.
when are you going to grow up. you live in an occupied country. don't you understand anything. LMAO
Yeah, Bath House, YOU go fight these guys....great idea.
NO AMERICAN BLOOD!
Civil war is useless. They should learn from America - go into foreign lands and kill some brown people.
US pushing for war in Europe:
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/26948/53/
The Neo-CONs still run the USA and much of the world. They are part of a Shadow Government if not the leaders of the Shadow Government. They run a Racket. It is the US Super Power of Currency, Economics, Finance, Politics, and MIC.
With so much market fixing going on we know it is Racketeering.
http://www.paulhellyerweb.com/
And they seem to only have 4 War Strategies in their book
1) Vietnam, Iraq Style Full War, which they don't know how to End, no Exit Strategy
2) Cold War, Communist Scares, a Forever Enemy, Global War on Terror, DHS style Police State, NSA Style Domestic Spying, TSA style inspections
3) Lilly Pad Style Military Hubs, Air Hubs, Sea Bases, Army Camps, protect the Sea Trade Routes, Show Military Strength, Engage in small interdictions of Drug or Terrorist Operations
4) Air War, Bombing Campaigns
5) Proxy Wars, Use Muslim Radicals against the Russians, Use Fascist against the Russians, Use Latin American Militias against themselves, Train Foreign Military Leaders to organize COUPS against their own people... usually this is to better control resources or labor, keep wages low, suppress Unions or Socialism
These Guys are Geniuses. S/ They have at least three proxies in Ukraine with George Soros, Levy & their Money and Neo-Nazis as Trigger Pullers
Europe is on to these guys. Europe is on to the Scam of NATO and the Secret Stay Behind Armies, Secret Gold, Secret Funding, and Secret Weapons.
And Europe knows Jean-Claude Juncker is also involved.
a.k.a. the ZWO
Yeah. Not to pick on all Jews or Jewish Bankers. Just like the Americans and Europeans that support Zionism...
US-EU-UK-Banking-VICHY-MIC-ZWO?
I probably should have added something like
6) Financial War, Currency War, Bribing Government Officials to allow country to collapse like USSR
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/08/21-books-ruling-elite-doesnt-want-yo...
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Senator Paul Wellstone was, "the first 1960s radical elected to the U.S. Senate." In Senate Race 2002, the White House made defeating Wellstone priority #1. Karl Rove hand-picked arch Republican Norm Coleman to run against him. Despite massive funding, Coleman was trailing the popular Wellstone two weeks before election day. Then, tragedy struck. Ph.D. Professors James Fetzer and Don "Four Arrows" Jacobs present the harrowing truth. The weather didn’t bring down Senator Wellstone's plane.
There was a problem with the airport's navigational beacon (VOR)(Instrument Landing not VFR). According to Minnesota Public Radio:
The day after the crash, FAA pilots tested the VOR. The inspection pilots reported to the NTSB that when they flew the approach without their automatic pilot engaged, the VOR repeatedly brought them about a mile south of the airport. In one written statement an FAA pilot told the NTSB that the signal guided him one to two miles left or south of the runway. That's the same direction Wellstone's plane was heading when it crashed.[28]
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2014, Libertarian running for Senator in Iowa, killed in Plane Crash on his regular route in the State of Iowa.
Libertarian Iowa Senate Candidate Doug Butzier Dies in Plane Crash
www.reason.com/24-7/2014/10/14/libertarian-iowa-senate-candidate-doug-b -
Oct 14, 2014 ... Sad news via Radio Iowa regarding the passing of Libertarian Party Senate candidate ... The pilot who died in a plane crash near Dubuque late last night was the .... Republicans in Congress are Preparing for the Outcome.
The Poles are more than willing to fight in Ukraine.
Is that like being locked out of your convertible - and the top is down?
Hey maybe this is what will happen in the USA in 20 years after we have our borders wide open and allow foreign companies to start businesses in the USA with their own foreign labor force.
- What a Dream, a Vision, Utopia.
- We have polarized communities in every city already.
- Maybe the Germans and Japanese won't quietly go to war or to Prison camps next time?
How will a Draft for Chinese, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, and Mexicans work out in the USA? Have a budget problem, can't afford the next big war being fought with Military Contractors...? Cheap labor, Cheap Soldiers = Draft.
The CIA, Mossad, et al are losing. Their days are numbered.
Good for that woman, I wish Americans would do the same.
She'd probably get shot for being a terrorist the instant she grabs the microphone from ole camo pants there if she was in the USA.
It is time for the American mothers to stand up for their sons and stop waving those “made in China” flags while their children are pushed into criminal wars, under the guise of “freedom and democracy”, all over the world.
Biden’s son and all sort of Nuland’s buddies are plundering Ukraine as fast as they can, why anyone should die for these atrocious reptiles???!!!!...
Say, anyone "seen" Boris lately?
"To stop the galloping horse, to enter the burning house"
Nikolai Nekrasov poem about Russian women
same people
300 Zapororishans stood against Kolomoiskyi's thugs
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-photo-of-300-zaporozhians-named-one.html
"the Ukrainian parliament has passed a law authorizing local commanders to shoot deserters on the spot."
That's sheer incompetence, since no military officer will carry out that sort of order. Do it once, kill one of your guys, and another one will shoot you in friendly fire. And no one will ask questions about an officer shot in the back "during combat".
"McCain was telling reporters: "If we had provided Ukraine with weapons they wouldn’t have had to use cluster bombs."
Do you Americans vote in these guys because you don't have room left in loony bins and you have to put them somewhere?
"unleashing ultra-nationalist mobs on anyone who dares dissent"
These are not "ultra-nationalists". Don't be shy, call them their names. They are Nazis.
http://vladimirsuchan.blogspot.fr/2014/11/nazi-swastika-nato-cross-and-f...
fact is many have been shot
there is barrier force behind conscription soldiers, to prevent retreat or run away
some video of Ukr that surrendered that tell this...
well known fact for some time now
is the end game taking shape?
it appears all Obomber has to do is wait another 24 to 48 hrs, declare the peace talks in Minsk a failure, blame it on again Moscow then "regrettably" agree to start shipping heavy weapons to Kiev.
at which point it would put tremendous pressure on Putin to respond but because Moscow has already publicly stated such actions by the US would be considered an act of war.
of course anything Moscow does (or doesn't do, but is blamed for) at this point would put DC in the position to claim a false moral high ground and "force" them to react with escalating military force. my guess is we are being set up for a false flag involving a USAF cargo plane loaded with weapons, advisers and trainers being shot down either by Russian fighter jets or by the S-400 SAM. as usual no actual evidence will be presented but at that point it won't be needed because now Ivan murdered a bunch of those US service men and women that our society seems so quick to worship.
so it will be yellow ribbons and "support our troops" all over again, the same script, the same game they ran in Iraq and the Merican' public will eat it up, roll up there sleeves and get to work on whopping Ivan's ass, just like we did Saddam not that long ago. there won't be any need for a draft because the propaganda machine will convince our young people that it will be Iraq all over again, sing here for a good paying walk in the park, hell with all the drone's and robot's you probably won't even see combat.
and it will work...at least until all the dying starts, flag draped coffins by the hundreds, then thousands start coming back home and those same balls to the wall, chest thumping, keyboard tough guy Mericas' start to realize two very important things...
1. Russia is not Iraq.
and
2. this is a REAL war and for the first time ever, they will suddenly come to understand the very harsh truth that nowhere is safe even though they may be thousands of miles from the front lines. after all, nuclear weapons know no boundaries and have no limitations in their capacity for destruction anywhere in the world, on very short notice.
of course by then, by the time Merican's wake up to the simple truth that this was, in the long, sad history of bad ideas, the worst one ever it will be to late. the elite will be enjoying the show from whatever safe retreat they had prepared and the Merican sheeple will be left to wonder how they could have been so blind, so stupid as to put so much trust into those raging psychopaths who weighed their lives against their lust for power and global dominance and found them worth nothing.
in closing, all I can say is when the first nuke detonates over the first American city I will not be surprised...and I will know exactly who to blame.
Rastafarians?
Well, in Vietnam, gung-ho, medal lusting officers were rather quickly "dispatched"...well, that's the kind of army you get with draftees 10,000 miles from home, wondering WTF am I doing here? I can vouch for that...
http://tass.ru/en/world/776768
We could use some of that type thinking over here, I so rarely see it.
"McCain was telling reporters: "If we had provided Ukraine with weapons they wouldn’t have had to use cluster bombs."
Do you Americans vote in these guys because you don't have room left in loony bins and you have to put them somewhere?
I have heard several times from fellow Americans that is why we invented Congress. Trouble is, they occasionally write legislation that greatly interferes with our lives and then we have to vote them out. McCain's constituents have not yet reached that point of discontent. Drat.
Arizona is Neocon central.
Arizonans are starting to figure out what a tool he is.
If the economy was doing well, I think they'd still be pro-empire building and continued military adventures overseas.
Quite a wonderfully passionate and articulate speech.
What a speach by that lady.....seems Ukrainians smarter than Americans, not so easily duped by the MSM. This woman knew the whole story.
They don't want to die for some oligarchs wet dream.