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America Is Not Greece

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We all "know" how terrible the Greek economy is... day after day we are told about it... and reminded at the same time how "everything is awesome" in America. So the following chart may come as a surprise to some... with expectations for future Greek GDP growth now above 'awesome' America's last year.

 

 

Thank Lord Draghi for Keynesian hockey-sticks...

Charts: Bloomberg

 

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Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:36 | 5773877 wee-weed up
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It's worse!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:43 | 5773909 Pairadimes
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The American economy has been hollowed out. It is now like a giant Hollywood sound stage, with media singing choruses of alleluias to their political overlords, who reap millions from the corporate financial wizards whose control over the nation's money supply allows them to steal billions. Meanwhile, the entire Chinese economy is a consequence of bad federal and local policies that have chased the production of virtually everything overseas, gutting the American middle class. Game soon over.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:24 | 5774021 nuubee
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It's not game over, it's hitting the reset button. God mode will still be reserved for old-money bankers unless the monetary system suffers a major reset.

People generally regard forest fires as 100% destructive, wholly undesired outcomes. The reality is quite different, forest fires are part of what keeps forests healthy.

Likewise, the forceful resistance to healthy deflation has simply built up lots of dry tinder for the mother of all financial forest fires. The other side will be healthy rebirth.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:25 | 5774028 Creepy A. Cracker
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"Meanwhile, the entire Chinese economy is a consequence of bad federal and local policies that have chased the production of virtually everything overseas, gutting the American middle class."

Well said.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 23:30 | 5774378 J Pancreas
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Sooooooo buy TSLA?

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 07:07 | 5774936 Der Meister
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No buy Amazon instead.

Amazon.con:s business idea:

"We lose money on every delivery but we compensate with huge volumes"

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 06:14 | 5774904 supercelld
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Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:38 | 5773885 noben
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We got Status. Reserve Status. We give you Debt chits for Stuff.

For now. Till you get wise and pissed off.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:40 | 5773895 Idaho potato head
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The Higgs Boson is more stable..

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:46 | 5773919 LetThemEatRand
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The central bankers have created an earth sized debt collider and they have thrown the switch.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746727/Maybe-shouldn-t-looking-...

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:54 | 5773937 Bastiat
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Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:55 | 5773941 nmewn
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Hold me ;-)

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 22:57 | 5774282 graveheart
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LOL

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:11 | 5773956 steelrules
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Well that's one way to deal with the infinite debt bubble, blow the universe out of existence. But seriously if one of the best minds on the planet says "maybe we shouldn't" then maybe we shouldn't.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:23 | 5774022 LetThemEatRand
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Excuse the philosophical diversion, but mankind has always been asking itself the meaning of life.  Perhaps we are destined to hit the reset button.  Scientists have theorized that the universe arose from the big bang.  A bing bang from what?  Maybe this universe is the billions year old version of Groundhog Day.

Babe.  I got you, babe.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:27 | 5774037 Creepy A. Cracker
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The Bing bang is from Microsoft.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:32 | 5774040 LetThemEatRand
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I just checked.  Bing still exists!  Who knew?  I search exclusively on GNOOSGLEA

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 23:04 | 5774299 tarabel
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Google corporate motto: Do No Evil.

 

Damn ZH interface. There's supposed to be a strikethrough on "No".

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 22:46 | 5774254 exonomic halfbreed
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The big bang was a party held in Tuscany by Berlusconi and DSK with young ladies who were all of legal age according to the documents.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 22:00 | 5774133 Billy Shears
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Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:14 | 5773988 Manthong
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I think the bankers science project might be a little more like this..

In Zombie Bums from Uranus (2003), a fictional type of astronomical body (called a brown hole) is mentioned. It is stated that brown holes form when a vast interstellar butt runs out of gas and collapses in on itself, and that they force objects into random places, possibly including time travel.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:38 | 5773887 Bollixed
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<<- America more debt per capita

<<- Greece more debt per capita

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:50 | 5773911 noben
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We're roughly on par. What's more salient is that...

We got the Fed, the MIC, NSA, CIA, DOD, the MSM and Jewish Mafia.

And Reserve Status on the USD, which makes others beholden to acquire our fiat chits, in exchange for their stuff and services. What a global racket!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:48 | 5774100 LetThemEatRand
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Like most Mafia bosses, ours got greedy.  They could have ridden this train for another hundred years if they had just maintained a semblance of the middle class.  Now they are in the mode where they are locked in their mansion with a pile of coke on their desk wondering if we've met their little friend.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:39 | 5773892 A Lunatic
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Apples and Oranges......

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:44 | 5773913 1 over Infinity
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Both fruit, both round, both come from trees, both have an outer skin, both have seeds inside, etc. etc.

Both fn broke.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:48 | 5773924 A Lunatic
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Remove Greece from the EU and shit might get unstable for awhile, mostly for the banksters, but the world will move on. Remove America from the economic picture and Armageddon will unfold. Apples to Oranges.......

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:12 | 5773982 Winston Churchill
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Only for bankers.The sun will still rise I assure you.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:44 | 5773896 JustObserving
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Greek GDP is 242 billion Euros and debt is 330 billion Euros.  Greek debt is 30,000 Euros per citizen. That works out to $34,000 per citizen.

US GDP is $17 trillion and US debt is $18.12  trillion.

But US has unfunded liabilities of at least $130 trillion.  Kotlikoff says debt and unfunded liabilities are about $250 trillion - that would be about $2,166,000 per taxpayer.  And rising at about $100,000 per taxpayer per year.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:54 | 5773938 kappal_toba_dhu...
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Don't forget that USA UNOFFICIAL debt is about $150 trillion.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:57 | 5773944 nmewn
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What is it per government worker & politician?

Guilty!!! ;-)

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 22:58 | 5774286 tarabel
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Sorry, but you can't change statistical families in the middle of your comparison. You want to compare US unfunded liabilities, that's fine by me, but you will have to put them up against Greek unfunded liabilities in order to offer up an honest look at things.

And, let's face it, everyone is sending their money to the US because the prospects look better here than in their own shithole countries.

Doesn't mean that we are a good credit risk. It means that we get to spend all of their money on ourselves and THEN declare bankruptcy. Gonna have one hell of a party first, and then we get to start the rebuilding process with all of the stuff we bought with their money safe on hand.

Not like they can sic the global Marines on us because we're the Marines. Too bad, so sad.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 23:06 | 5774310 graveheart
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If the Yellowstone caldera erupted this wouldn't be a problem.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:41 | 5773897 Flying Wombat
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Our House of Cards 

TND Guest Contributors:  Dr. Paul Craig Roberts and Dave Kranzler 

http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=282398

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:41 | 5773902 1 over Infinity
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Ah! But the U.S. can print its way to prosperity.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:52 | 5773929 buzzsaw99
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^^^THIS^^^

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:16 | 5773998 lakecity55
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Here is you new keyboard, Mr Yelling.

It's just a J-box with a red button.

Yes, but it says, 'print.'

So easy a fed employee could do it!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 23:25 | 5774364 mijev
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Yes, but it says, 'print.'

 

The CTL P key has been changed to read "out of control print"

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:17 | 5774001 yogibear
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Just transferring any wealth that's left from the 99% to the 1%.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:43 | 5773908 buzzsaw99
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gdp growth expectation is one of my least favorite statistics

also, so sick of the word growth it isn't even funny

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:46 | 5774093 MsCreant
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Cancer is a growth.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 23:04 | 5774304 Fish Gone Bad
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That is a scream.  I will have to remember that quote.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:45 | 5773917 Yen Cross
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 Detroit/Puerto Rico, is Greece... America is Europe, and the Eastern Seaboard, is Italy, Spain,France.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:15 | 5773992 lakecity55
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detroit is Bangladesh.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:23 | 5774019 Yen Cross
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lol.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:45 | 5773918 A Lunatic
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You're right, this is what America is......

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtNgvH1Jh3A#t=42

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:50 | 5773927 Yen Cross
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 I think the market is overshooting these numbers.

 16:30       AUD         Employment Change (Jan)     -12.2K     -5.0K     42.4K    
16:30       AUD         Full Employment Change (Jan)     -28.1K           46.4K    
16:30       AUD         Participation Rate (Jan)     64.8%     64.8%     64.8%      
16:30       AUD         Unemployment Rate (Jan)     6.4%     6.2%     6.1% very overbought $usd.

 Just released. I hedged with aud/jpy.  Lot's of positive revisions vs overbought $usd.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:52 | 5773930 stant
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America is on the hook for 18 trillion . The rest of the world about 148 trillion. Who eva is owed this is fooked. The bond vigilantes will rise from the dead

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:54 | 5773936 buzzsaw99
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the difference between the usa and the row is that the usa owes in a currency which they control. the others do not. btw, bondzilla is a myth.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:53 | 5773933 kappal_toba_dhu...
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TPP willbe the deathknell for USA industry and middle class. A very bad deal indeed.  Of  course TPP will help the top 1% make their shift abroad so THEY will hae nothing to worry about.  

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:08 | 5773958 Savyindallas
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No big deal. The US can default or inflate out of it's debt. Even if we get Weimar style inflation, the US Gov will claim it's about 2% - no COLA increases, so old baby boomers will just have to manage. The banksters will do just fine. The 0.1% will do great. The trickle down from their spending will sustain us. American sheeple will go along. They always do. They'll bitch and complain a lot, but that's about it. Amerikans are good citizens. They know we need perpetual war to keep us free. 

On a serious side - the old sheeple baby boomer retirees can go to hell. It was on their watch that we became a nation of serfs, It was on their watch that a degenerate group of Zionist criminal banksters took over and destroyed this nation. I don't believe much of the gas chamber holohoax fiction  -but I'm pretty sure that liquidation/euthanasia centers will be in store for these decrepit old retirees who we will not be able to afford. They will voluntarily check in and many of their kids won't give two hoots  -they'll be too preoccupied tried to survive (like eating) in the Fascist police state that is Amerika -and which will get much worse. AmeriKan elites taught Hitler everything he needed to know about eugenics-his deeds are greatly exagerated. .  In due time, we'll find out what they really intended for all us "useless eaters." 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:41 | 5773985 lakecity55
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a dark apartment, the afternoon sun fading away...

no...food...? honey, pass me the dog chow...

there is no moar, husband....I am weak...why are you looking at Spot like ...that...gasp...

maybe the kids will find another bag of dog or cat food.....

...i don't ....know....they only have 5000$ on them....
**
Meanwhile, The Fascist American Police Forces continue to murder US Citizens in Cold Blood.

I read this first before I linked it, some of the stuff on the website is misleading or sensationalist, but this is for reals. I had a couple of older people calls just like this in the day, but we never shot them. We met a relative or friend at the house and had them rouse them. I would go knock on doors to see if anyone knew the guy. Now, well, kill 'em. I am ashamed I ever carried a badge, but I am not ashamed of my police work.

http://www.infowars.com/family-asks-cops-to-check-in-on-sick-veteran-cop...

*****

Why were you forced to shoot and kill Mr Jones on  aroutine stop, Officer?
Well, I asked him for his wallet; he had it in his hands, visible, on the steering wheel in plain site.
So, despite his precautions, you still needed deadly force?
Yes. I thought his wallet might have a small derringer or knife in it. At the Academy, we are taught All Citizens are the Enemy.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:21 | 5774012 yogibear
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 "The banksters will do just fine. The 0.1% will do great. "

That's right. They write the laws and get them passed. The sheeple will just sit and take it.


 


Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:12 | 5773983 Yen Cross
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 I jus covered my aud/jpy shorts. I'll focus on usd/jpy going into London.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:21 | 5774010 22winmag
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The South was right!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:38 | 5774062 lakecity55
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Yeah! And, this time around, we have Arms Factories.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 00:26 | 5774529 buzzy_the_pirate_dog
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or at least auto plants.  Invade the North with Hundai or what ever.  Shit what were we talking about?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 22:10 | 5774155 DOGGONE
Thu, 02/12/2015 - 03:00 | 5774760 silverer
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Don't you just love how almost every graph you see predicts an upward trend in the economy, profits, or whatever, and every "corrected" graph, after the fact, gets "adjusted" in the opposite direction?  If you want to see how it's really going to be, just turn the graph upside down and hold it up to a mirror.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 07:19 | 5774943 Firewood
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Merca isn't dead...it has been a zombie for ages. And in today's "capitalist" system zombies are kosher.

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