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If Not Russia, Then China? Tsipras Invited To Visit Premier Li Keqiang In Beijing
First there was The BRIC nations; then South Africa was rolled in and the group became BRICS; but with news today (following yesterday's Russian invitations for Greece's new leader to meet with Vladimir Putin) that Greece's new Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras has been invited to visit Chinese Premier Li Keqiang, we wonder if the growing non-dollar partnership will be expanded to BRICSH as The Hellenic Republic prepares to walk away from its European overlords 'partners'.
Greece's new Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras has been invited to visit Chinese Premier Li Keqiang, a government source said Wednesday.
Li Keqiang called Tsipras to congratulate him on his electoral victory and say "he would work to deepen and widen the historic ties between the two countries", the source said.
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It seems shunned "isolated" Greece... (as The Telegraph reports)
"We want a deal. But if there is no deal, and if we see that Germany remains rigid and wants to blow Europe apart, then we will have to go to Plan B,” said Panos Kammenos, the defence minister and head of the Independent Greeks party in the ruling coalition.
“We have other ways of finding money. It could be the United States at best, it could be Russia, it could be China or other countries,” he told Greek television. Mr Kammenos said Greece would prefer to leave the euro if membership means submitting to what he calls a “Europe under German domination.”
... also has a few new friends.
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There you go. China got the Risk Card for Venezuela and now they are working on Greece. Pretty much got Africa. Crafty little devils.
Unlike the Europeans, the Chinese will not keep giving money to Greece for free. They will expect a return of some kind.
China is the swing player among the big three world powers. And they are playing their position to the hilt.
I suspect they are loving every escalation in tension between the U.S. and Russia. As the third player, and not directly in the line of fire, their position only strengthens.
The Shanghai Cooperation Organization
(United Eurasia, Pt. 2): The Powerful Organization that No One’s Talking AboutI'm sure Russia and China would love to have access to Greek ports in the Med to dock some military ships at, etc., etc., etc.
Russia and China might pay off a nice big chunk of the Greek debt in return for that kinda access.
I think it's fairly obvious the BRICS are planning a new money system. They've launched a fund, developed a SWIFT replacement, signed trade deals in local currencies/trade and bought a fuck load of gold.
New all time highs Thursday at the open. AH Spy screaming
BRICSHADEFGJKLMNOPQTUVWXYZ
"Although the members of the G-77 have increased to 134 countries, the original name was retained due to its historic significance."
Evo Morales (Plurinational State of Bolivia) spoke on behalf of China+77 at UNFCCC CMP10 December 2014 in Peru. G77 Statement here
Declaration of 77:
Declaration "For a new world order for living well" adopted by the Summit of Heads of State and Government on the occasion of the fiftieth anniversary of the Group of 77 (Santa Cruz de la Sierra, Plurinational State of Bolivia, 14-15 June 2014).
Excerpt from above Declaration:
"37.We express our deep indignation and rejection with regard to the facts related to the surprise withdrawal of overflight and landing permits for the presidential aircraft on which President Evo Morales Ayma of the Plurinational State of Bolivia and his party were travelling on 2 July 2013. These facts constitute unfriendly and unjustifiable acts that have also put at serious risk the safety of President Morales. We make public our greater solidarity and demand clarification of facts. "
Man, this road is getting bumpy!
How about BRISCH? German spelling y'see
I think it's fairly obvious the BRICS are planning a new money system. They've launched a fund, developed a SWIFT replacement, signed trade deals in local currencies/trade and bought a fuck load of gold.
Yes, and rumor also has it that the Chinese have a few $Trillion USD they'd like to get some value from.
Why don't they drop a $50bln bid on the Comex and stand for delivery?
There's a time and place for everything perhaps.
A sudden move like that would halt everything and go to cash payout. Slow and steady they probably get to extract more out of it and no real hurry if they have the winning hand.
Do you really think they still do ?
IMO they prolly have a couple of hundred billion left for a rainy day, but the rest is long
converted and spent.
The PBOC is a PD to hide its true holdings,not to aid more buying.
You're going to hate me for saying this, but I tend to agree with you on this one.
Sorry about that. Didn't want to pollute your reputation but it had to be said.
Personally, I think of Chinese government fx holdings as a sort of communal 401k for the Communist cadre mated to an emergency bust fund in case the worm turns on them. Not for the benefit of the "people" at all.
Easy to get value out of it... spend it on actual things and build up military and economic forces to protect those things.
Lots of Treaties.
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- West European Federation
- Warsaw Pact Nations
- Eurasian Economic Union
- Commonwealth of Independent States
- Central Asia Regional Economic Cooperation
- Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO)
- EurAsian Economic Community (EurAsEC)
- Asia - Pacific Economic Cooperation ( APEC )
- Asia Regional Integration Center (ARIC) FTA (Free Trade Agreement)
- China, People's Republic of (29 Free Trade Agreements)
- Asia-Pacific Trade Agreement - Signed and In Effect
Will China swingout ? Lindy Hop style. Bending and Twisting arms.
Mow Mow.
That is the rub. So many swoon for that virile Mr. Tsipras, standing up to the unattractive Eurocrats. But you must admit there is an element of comedy too. The choosy beggar deciding who will be allowed to give him "loans" he has no intention to repay. Mr. T has a promising film career after he's done with politics. The new Groucho Marx.
It's all so easy to invite the Russian military into your country for a few drachmas to fund your socialist welfare state for a few months. But once the Russians are in, when do they leave? Where is the democracy and people power in inviting yet another ruthless foreign power to take hold of your country? Is that how you become a hero to generations of Greeks?
The Chinese would certainly be more attractive, because despite their self image, the Chinese are the dumb money at the world table. The Greeks have a much better chance of taking Chinese cash and then blowing them off later.
"...dumb money at the world table."
So they might re-hypothesized UST to lend to Greece perhaps?
the europeans gave nothing to greece for free. the european banksters gave them a debt trap from which they planned to never have them leave...until now.
The West -and especially the United States-will certainly keep giving away money for free -as long as the banksters and elites make billions because the American Taxpayer (or primarily future American taxpayers) backstop and insure the losses.
right...they must buy 100% PRC goods and services
There's gota be a better acronym?
At the time we have Italy joining it will be BRICSHIT.
How about; SHITBRICS
BRICES?
E = Ellas
hey if Chinese wealth helps make the world a better place...
oh, are you of the hopeful still bankin' American wealth to pull its weight?
Make no mistake, China plans to make the world a better place for China.
And that's supposed to justify the axis of evil Israel/U.S. criminals?
my co-worker's step-aunt makes $70 /hr on the laptop . She has been without a job for 5 months but last month her paycheck was $21318 just working on the laptop for a few hours. browse around this web-site... www.globe-report.com
Wow that's SO cool.
Now she can be a prostitute on the web cam and get off the street. Thanks for sharing that with us...
heh heh, "lap-top".
Does she pole dance too?
Don't forget Argentina, Iran, Turkey, Venezuela.
So... BRIT HAVICS (Brazil, Russia, India, Turkey, Hellas, Argentina, Venezuela, Iran, China, S.Africa)?
BRICSH Italy Turkey Hungary Osterreich Ukraine Serbia Estonia
That clears it up, a bric shithouse
You win this internet.
If you add the PIIGS/PIGIS, you get BRIT PIGIS AVICS --> BRIT PIGIS C VISA
Note that H for Hellas changes to G for Greece in the last word group.
Well, if that isn't the biggest collection of losers I've ever seen in any room outside of Turtle Bay.
No.
You and the other Russia haters are biggest collection of losers in Cyberstan
Africa, Greece, and Venezuela?
Sounds like they should demand a new dealer and a fresh deck of Risk cards.
But the US is holding North Africa: Egypt, South Sudan, and Libya. Plus Syria and Iraq and a big move in Venezuela
Both Russia and the US have Turkey and Ukraine
Oh shit, the plot thickens...
As to be expected.
You beat me.
The Plot Thickens.
You guys must be twins separated at birth, think the same and at the same time
China is also a global playa.
don't hate.
The West's "contain China" plan hasn't gone as well as they hoped. Maybe the US needs to twist some more arms.
Maybe the US should keep ouit of it. They have caused enough misery in the world already.
Goldman Sachs should pay off Greece's debt, they are the people who caused it
To be sure. However, that option is not on the table for the US or GS. This game will be played out to the end.
Bye Bye Greece. Good luck with China.
The Chinese own the port of Athens and perceive Greece as the soft belly to enter EU. Not a bad idea.
China is active downside in Spain/Portugal and Greece in infrastructutre and RE (as in Africa bigtime for RM/land)-- and Upside in London RE.
The Chinese are strategic thinkers, but they have to solve their structural problem linked with having become the US oligarchy's "she camel" à la Foxconn who slave labours for Apple and Walmart. Too much debt and too much interconnection to King $ !
China desperately needs to balance US dependence with Euro connection.
Its all part of Pax Americana enfeeblement and consequent global rebalancing; where Eu is now seen as the West's "weak link".
The West will now feel the reverse boomerang of the Boxer revolution and Pax Britannia's "opium wars" games of previous centuries.
You have no idea how deep is the sense of oriental desire to right the wrong History has inflicted on them since western industrial pre-eminence.
Tipping times; Potus has no idea what is up ahead; just like the neo-con Bush clique that created their own "barbarian" outsourced-subcontracting disaster, that in olden times Rome did with the Huns and the Goths.
China needs to beat this throughput rate into EU in order to relegate US markets to the minor leagues:
The average travel time for a container vessel from Asia to the U.S. is between two weeks and a month.
Source: http://acetool.commerce.gov/shipping
The game changer is EU, EEU, and China establishing a common governance over trade and transportation policies on condition that Putin adheres to Merkel's Minsk deal.
If you looked at the circumstances instead of the 70's MSM, you'd see that China and Russia have been joined at the hip since the Korean War.
Hey idiot get with the program...for the last 5 years FOXCONN has been making nearly ALL personal electronics....tablets, smartphones, laptops, even Zunes!!! (lol) for nearly EVERYONE...Wiki it, bozo-news flash! Nixon takes USD off gold standard-that news to you also? what a TOOL
China already trades more with Europe than with the US. of course this is at least partially a result of Americans no longer purchasing baby formula laced with carcinogens or antifreeze-enhanced toothpaste. The Chinese share of the US market is definitely heading downwards even as it tightens its grip on Europe.
But if China is so determined to right the wrongs inflicted during the Industrial Revolution, it is finally operating on the right ground to do something about it. Your point, in other words, is that China is interested in screwing the shit out of the evil white devils-- and the only evil white devils who are still buying its shitty merchandise live in the rotten underbelly of Europa.
Good luck to our Atlantic cousins.
The Europeans never screwed the shit out of the Chinese 115 years ago, dumabel.
Why would a retard such as yourself ever look up the history of Boxer Protocol? To find out what your nazi forefathers did to lots of other nations?
If you did you wouldn't be a dumbbell any more. You'd have to be objective and fair.
ICK
Screw you Chosenite.
Wow.
The good thing is, Russia and China don´t rival on Greece.
Doesn´t matter who hooks up Greece.
Here's what this invitation is about
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/09/greece-syriza-stops-china-e...
Excellent info. I forgot about that.
Just a bargaining chip for either side.
Theoretically Greeks could use this as a concession later or find an alternative deal that allows for Cosco to long term lease out while Greece maintains control. Something like that. But definitely I see something like this a a temporary blip; a bargaining chip to be used later with an all smiles friendly photo op signing deal.
Would you think that Russians or Chinese pour their money down the Greek rat hole like the EU F*cktards did?
I mean aren't the Greeks reliable creditors with a noteworthy history of debt-repayments.
They still deal with the US after how many defaults ?
Russians and Chinese are not know for their Engineering of Banking. In fact I heard the Chinese made Derivatives Illegal.
- So 3 bailouts, 3 failures by US-EU Banking System
- I think Capitalism is the binder
- Russia or China might just want ports and are willing to pay rent in a free enterprise type of way
- But maybe Russia & China Businessmen want to own concessions like toll roads, bridges, tunnels, railroads, bus systems, garbage collection, museums, national parks or memorials... who knows?
Some business deals can be profitable for the state and the business entity. Some deals give away national resources.
I thought China already had port facilities in Greece. So why do they need to pay more for them? Or are they getting the same treatment as the EU, which is also being asked for more (no matter how hard the Greeks try to deny it)?
You are right. They have access. But with a new .gov they need to be assured. And they can be the source of new funds/revenues/taxes if they invest.
Heh, this guy thinks "capitalism" has anything to do with what has been going on for the last several decades (century?). How cute.
R U an Idiot. Let's revue power in Europe, historic power, and the historic holders of power.
- Power, Status, Control, Money, Real Estate, Manors or Feudal Ownership of Property like farms, Factories... Investors hold over Factories and Industriest, Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Chemical, Big Medicine, Mortagages, Auto Loans, etc. as we see sub prime move into all classes of Investments
- Guess you are a Tool
See any Deregulation?
1913 - Federal Reserve Act (third central bank)
1964 - Gulf of Tonkin, Congress gives up War Powers, Legislative Powers, and Budget Powers
1973 - War Powers Resolution (Allows 60 days combat/war without congressional declaration)
1974 - Federal Energy Administration Act of 1974 (R. Nixon)
1978 - Bankruptcy Reform Act of 1978,
1980 - Depository Institutions (J. Carter, followed by S&L Crisis, 5000 convictions, RTC)
1981 - Executive Order 12287, (R. Reagan, removed price controls on Petrol)
1984 - Caribbean Basin Initiative (Free Imports to USA)
1992 - Energy Policy Act (H.W. Bush)
1994 - NAFTA, Deregulation of Trade, 3 Nations (W. Clinton)
1995 - Community Reinvestment Act, the Clinton Admin urged flexibility,
1995 - HUD advocated greater involvement of state and local organizations
1996 - Energy (W. Clinton, followed by ENRON Scandal)
1996 - Telecommunications Act (W. Clinton, cross ownership)
1996 - Start of a Period of Accounting Fraud in USA which continues today
1997 - M2 Money Velocity Top
1998 - Clinton's Kosovo War (over 60 Days)
1998 - Brooksly Born Rejected on her concerns on OTC Derivatives
1998 - Derivatives expanded and were not regulated
1998 - Citicorp & Travelers Insurance Merger(FED Provides Waiver?)
1999 - Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (Phil Gramm, W. Clinton, followed by 2008 Financial Crisis)
1999 - bombing campaign in Kosovo (W. Clinton, over 60 days)
2000 - Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (P. Gramm, W. Clinton, derivatives)
2002 - McCain–Feingold Act (G.W. Bush, Campaign Finance, soft money unlimited)
2005 - Energy Policy Act (G.W. Bush, subsidies, excluded clean air Water acts)
2005 - Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (BAPCPA).
2005 - CAFTA-DR Ratified, 2006 El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala
2008 - 2014 QE & LIRP/ZIRP (B. Bernanke, J. Yellen, B Obama)
2009 - 2014 Continuing Resolutions in which Congress gives up Budget Powers
2009-2015 - $800 B Tarp, FED Open Window, plus QE Infinity(DOJ Provides Waivers, attack on state of Justice in USA)
2010 - Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (money is free speech for corps)
2011 - US combat in Libya (B Obama, over 60 days)
2014 - lift ban on crude oil exports (B Obama, Commodities Deregulation)
This is not Capitalism. This is not Free Market. Check all the scandals for LIBOR, Gold & Silver, ISB Fix, and others... The markets are fixed.
What we know is that we merged with Nazi Germany in the end of WWII against the Communists to form secret armies, secret funding, and secret weapons. This led to the adoption of secret financial schemes.
Maybe if Greece defaults on all Wetern debts, and engages in trade pacts with Russia and the BRICS, they can afford to repay new Russian loans.
Lest we forget... http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/smithfield.asp
smart...very smart..
all of this foreplay for the eventual EAEU, right?
ENAEU = Eurasian African Economic Union
where does that leave the US as a global playa?
it gets to play the role of mercernary armed force of "new world order"?
;-)
Is Greece really going to give the keys of the back door of the EU to either China or Russia? I understand their predicament and I get that they aren't too fond of the troika - for very good reason, I might add - but now is the time to be exceptionally paranoid. If I were them, I wouldn't trust the Russians, the Chinese, the Americans, the Germans - my bad, I mean the EU - Goldman Sachs or Paul Krugman, in fact no one, with the possible exception of God, the Dalai Lama and a Toyota Camry. If I had a say in things over there, I would simply cut the cord, suck it up, try to ban the national sport of corruption and get on with life as they used to know it.
+1
Everything I guessed about Syriza's strategy has been vindicated, simply by reading their election policies and the overtures from interested parties in the US, China and Russia. Now we're in the foggy probability of no-man's land. I do wish they'd just cut loose and default, but I cannot see that happening for a variety of reasons outside of their control. A Greek default will trigger the tsunami of derivatives in play that are multiples higher than the debt itself and within a few short years we'll be bitching about quadrillion dollar bailouts of multinational banks if we're still around by then. This will not be allowed to happen. A military coup, invasion, assassinations, colour revolution - these are all the options for the banks and history shows that they will do it without blinking an eye.
Right now, Greece reminds me of Afghanistan in the 60's and 70's when its leaders (its king and its president) played the great powers against one another. That did not end well. Their only hope now is to drop the default bombshell before the banks can react and announce that they are reverting back to the drachma. Then batten down the hatches and watch the financial world implode.
"Is Greece really going to give the keys of the back door"
I stopped reading right there.
If I were them, I wouldn't trust...with the possible exception of...a Toyota Camry...
And what do you have against a well seasoned Honda Accord?
Sure, a starter, periodic brake shoes, and air filters, (cabin and engine) need to be addressed, but they're sure less than the percentage of GDP Greece's "creditor's" require to service their purchase of bailout electronic cyphers added to their "balance" to keep the music playing. The Greeks should've bought a '02 retired Ford Crown Vic instead of the battery operated Tesla that's currently being repossessed.
jmo.
Amazing how willing people are to believe that a phone call plus vague suggestion of a visit gets spun into Greece becoming a Chinese colony.
THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH THERE WILL BE A FORMAL INVITATION UNTIL THE BAILOUT ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
The Greek guys are just trying to spin it to put pressure on the Eurogroup...
Of course, but the negotiations are still amusing.
Can we add Iceland and Turkey for BRICSHIT?
BRIC 'o SHIT
“We have other ways of finding money. It could be the United States at best, it could be Russia, it could be China"
If Tsipras thinks he's going to get money from America, he's dreaming. Unless, of course, he's willling to receive a loan in the form of a shitload of weapons. That would be roundly voted by the Congress.
It seems America doesn't know what to do with its military surplus production, but money? What money?
Don't forget NATO's secret army: Lochos Oreinon Katadromon (LOK)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay-behind
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/09/natos-secret-armies/
The globalist banksters will NOT go quietly (as China seems to think or hope). They will got to war (WW3), before they go bankrupt or make a fair deal, and they will chose a time and place of their best opportunity to launch said war.
Sorry to sound to truthy, realistic or pragmatic.
Yeah, it is even in today's media in Scandinavian Novels like "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" or in detective TV Series where they find hidden arms.
Jean Claude Juncker even has a scandal from Luxemburg involving the King related to gold, funding, and accounting for Stay Behind Army.
- Greek government has to decide how to protect itself, it turns out that Greece is a strategic location against Russia, even if you over look the paranoia persisting about commies by the west and the west's insistence to influence politics through a strategy of tension
What does EU, ECB, IMF Expect with the Propaganda Spin and Racketeering going on?
- 3 "Bailouts" that were not Bailouts in the space of a couple of years!!!!!
- Don't Piss on me and tell me it is raining
- Greece has a good team, it is not one man or two guys
- EU & Euro-zone thought they had a Monopoly??
- USA thinks it has a Monopoly on Finance, Trade, Currency, Weapons, Strategic Locations, Wall Street, Humanitarian Assistance, What US Hubris!!
China is a huge power on every continent. Russia is less well known to me, but there are lots of Russian First names in Latin America...
A friend worth making in Beijing.
You notice that he isn't looking for help from the Noble Prize Banana-Boy from Kenya.
The Chinese are not that stupid.
The guy will get the same treatment Tim Geithner did.
A good meal, some entertainment, and then they will all have a good laugh after he leaves.
China has never turned from their desire to remove the US from world dominion.
Greece is just a stepping stone.
I bet some sort of deal will happen.
But like some have said, no free money.
Extend the "Silk Road V2.0" to some warm-water port(s).
Now thats the sort of clearly themed illustration I say well done to. Well done!
I hope that the Greeks "borrow" TRILLIONS from the Russians and Chinese, AND leave the EU.
While it is early to assume that China and Greece would ink something, I wouldn't be completely surprised.
Why buy over priced real estate on Wall Street, alfalfa farms in the West Coast or broke mining companies when you can buy one the best black swans money can buy? The Chinese still have almost $1 trillion in funny money anyways. Aiding Greece would be a drop in the bucket compared to the potential leverage to be gained.
The Chinese are akin to Apple right now...a massive cash hoard waiting for opportunities to present themselves.
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