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Putin's Top Security Advisor: "Current US Approach Leads To Inevitable Confrontation With Russia And China"
Following the humiliation of tonight's much anticipated Eurogroup meeting in which for the first time ever, not only did Greece punk Germany's stern finance minister, but the ensuing disarray was so profound the panicked European finance ministers couldn't even find a quorum consensus to produce even the tersest of official statements, there was some hope that the second round of negotiations currently taking place in Minsk to find a solution to the Ukraine civil war would at least partially redeem Europe's faltering negotiating reputation.
Alas, as of this moment, that does not appear to be the case, and as Reuters reports citing a Kiev presidential aide, that Minsk talks on Ukraine crisis could last six more hours. "We've got another 5-6 hours of work. At least. But we should not leave here without an agreement on an unconditional ceasefire. There's a battle of nerves underway," aide Valeriy Chaly said in a Facebook post.
Well, if it is indeed a "battle of nerves", something tells who the victor will be, considering all his peers are just a little more preoccupied with the potential collapse of their artificial monetary and political union.
Yet, just like the previous Minsk "agreement", even if by some miracle there is a solution this time around, the probability peace will be maintained is slim to none.
The reason is not simply because the Ukraine civil war will go on until there is a terminal partition between the pro-western West part of the country, and the pro-Russian eastern regions. The real reason may be what one of Vladimir Putin's top security advisors, the secretary of the Security Council, Nikolai Patrushev said earlier today, when he told a Russian state newspaper that the U.S. was orchestrating events in Ukraine in a bid to overthrow Mr. Putin’s government. He also expressed certainty that the West’s financial aid for Kiev would only bring the Ukrainian economy to a “dead end.”
“The situation in Ukraine is being used as a pretext for the active ‘repression’ of our country,” Mr. Patrushev, who ran Russia’s Federal Security Service during Mr. Putin’s first eight years as president, said in an interview with the Rossiyskaya Gazeta, published Wednesday.
And, if accurate, Patrushev's assessment is that the US will not stop short of what effectively will be world war: “The Americans are trying to involve the Russian Federation in an interstate military conflict, cause regime change [in Russia] and ultimately dismember our country via events in Ukraine,” he said.
To be sure, Patrushev's view that the Ukraine events have been orchestrated by the US from day one, is a widely shared one (and not only because it has been validated to a great extend by the leaked facts). The WSJ adds that "Mr. Patrushev’s comments reflect the views of some of the hard-liners around Mr. Putin, who have characterized the rise of a pro-Western government in neighboring Ukraine as an existential threat to the Kremlin leadership.
They describe last year’s protests on Kiev’s Independence Square, which ended with then-President Viktor Yanukovych fleeing to Russia, as a U.S.-orchestrated attempt to encroach upon Russia and spur a similar uprising in Moscow.
“The U.S. administration expects [its recent] anti-Russian measures to decrease quality of life for the population, give rise to mass protests and push Russian citizens to overthrow the current government using the scenario of the ‘color revolutions,’” Mr. Patrushev said, referring to pro-Western uprisings that occurred in Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan from 2003 to 2005.
To be sure, while Putin has repeatedly been compared to Hitler if mostly in the western press, the inverse is true in Russia, where people like Patrushev compare what Obama is trying to do to the actions of Hitler and Napoleon.
He noted that both Napoleon and Adolf Hitler failed to conquer Russia. “In today’s difficult times, when the U.S. and its allies have taken the path of confrontation with the Russian Federation, it is necessary to recall again and again the lessons of history,” he said.
So as futile diplomacy rages in this latest proxy war, the biggest loser are the common Ukraine people whose role is to be the pawn in the latest cold war between the east and west:
Mr. Patrushev suggested that the West wasn’t dedicated enough to overhauling Ukraine’s battered economy. “I suspect that the West will bring the Ukrainian economy to a dead-end,” he said. “The aid sent to Kiev won’t lead to any practical results. No one is preparing to raise the standard of living in Ukraine or set up its young people in Europe for real.”
Regarding the recent attempts to send lethal support to Ukraine, or to send the US army to train Ukraine troops, Putin's security advisor didn't comment on the possibility of the U.S. arming Kiev, but Russian officials have said that Moscow would interpret such a move as a direct threat. Then again he didn't have to: as reported earlier "Russia Warns US, Supplying Arms To Ukraine "Will Have Dramatic Consequences."
In the interview, he repeated a claim often heard in Russia—that former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright once said Moscow had come to control too much territory and too many resources—as evidence of a U.S. desire to dismantle Russia. Ms. Albright has denied ever making such a statement.
His punchline, as reported by Bloomberg: "the current US approach will lead to inevitable confrontation with Russia and China."
It hardly needs an explanation.
Finally, Patrushev also brought up another theory often cited by Russian officials: that the U.S. is “trying to seed conflict” around the world as a way to increase its power.
“Beginning with the global financial crisis in 2008, the U.S. decided to recover at the expense of others, including with the help of military adventurism and the destruction of full governments, employing the theory of ‘managed chaos'."
Considering 7 years after the great financial crisis, the world is still stuck deep in a glboal recession with central banks monetizing more debt than ever before in history while the US oligarchy has never been richer even as the global middle class is left for dead and told to just "buy assets" his observation is rather spot on.
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Good thing we have the man of steel, the ultimate warrior, Mr. Big Balls in charge.
Obama?
No.
Janet Yellen
Golly. The way he's talking you'd think America was being aggressive. Sheeeesh!
PS Who decorated that fucking place? Looks like neo-Colonial Early Bordello in Spring Fresh Colors.
what fun, we get to watch the elites set up another "great" war. Here is the link to have if you want to enjoy the russian side as well as the us side you already have. http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/
my twisted take on all this is that despite all appearances, a real strategy is to make russia a stong united society so they can manage the land they have and some of the neighbors they have with a dedicated miilitary and populace. For the elites of course. Putin comes from a royal line, so how off the script is he really? Is making putin a hero really to the detriment of the elites? I dont see it. He went running to Maine when bush senior called AFTER bush jr was already out of the presidency. Showed who ranks really, at least at that level.
"America ruins the world to rule it"
"Go search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival."
Frederick Douglass - July 4, 1852
I'm not sure about barbarity but without a doubt the most hypocritical .gov on earth. Obama makes Kim Jong look honest. I'll bet the fucker cheats at golf too
Ok, How about, like it's inflation, America exports it's barbarism?
Ie. CIA's Ukie Nazis, ISIS, etc.
Confrontation is the logical conclusion of this foreign policy.
LOL, how about relax for a while & listen to the right sounds:
http://pinoyistics.blogspot.com/
John Batchelor does many Ukraine interviews every day, he does this one every week for the first hour.
http://johnbatchelorshow.com/podcasts/tues-21015-hr-jbs-stephen-f-cohen-...
Dr Cohen seems quite reasonable in his analysis. How is he allowed on NPR???
The US government makes (or rather made) Saddam 'We have no nukes' Hussein look honest too.
Are you saying Frederick Douglass said "America ruins the world to rule it."?
If you are, you're saying he had limited foresight, so I don't believe it.
Cite the source & context of that clipped quote...
No. Seperate quotation marks. Seperate quotes/speakers.
Cite the one I pointed out and quit dickin around with mashing both quotes into Douglass.
You can't do that shit around here, someone will bust you.
This isn't NBC or Russia ;-)
"America ruins the world to rule it"
The first quote can only be found as a blog comment on this and other sites. The earliest instance is 2014.
The second appears to be correctly cited and quoted.
Second time, it's a paraphrase. Again, its not Douglas. Is it the citations that got you down? Or America the not so Beautuful? You gonna be ok? We coo?
You do not put paraphrases in quotes. This is inherently misleading. It's real easy to edit a post. Nor do I think it's an especially accurate paraphrase of Douglas' speech. But that's just my opinion, and I will allow you yours. The quote you correctly provided is a very good summation of the content of the speech, and is, indeed, the last paragraph of the speech which should provide the summary. And a man of Douglas's considerable talents would certainly provided a bang-up summation.
If you do things like make errant quotes, all of a sudden everybody will start to say so and so said, when so and so actually never said it. Get my drift?
I think my primary comment to you would be I think you should have said, "You are right. I should not have put the first sentence in quotations. It was meant as my paraphrasing of his speach. I have edited out the quotations. Thanks." Or something like that.
We "coo?"
It was an ''érrant quote''. Or some such fucking thing. I heard it, liked it. Passed it on. May or may not be exact. The quotes were meant to signify that it wasnt from me.
My point was....the first quote IS NOT Douglass and you did not say who said it. One is left to assume (as many ignorant readers did) that the first quote was Douglass as the only author you cited was in THE SECOND quote which he did say.
Next time say: "America ruins the world to rule it."- Unknown or Anonymous.
To avoid confusion or misleading people.
You are aware that he was referring to the institution of antebellum chattel slavery?
I'd have to rate that as being taken pretty far out of its intended context.
That's why I do not think his paraphrasing is apt. I think Douglas would say the ideals of the founding were great, but that the US was not living up to those ideas, and should start doing so.
Thats what I would say too.
Don't be ridiculous.
"America ruins the world to rule it"
Just as a good football offensive coach will stick with a play that scores points until the opponent stops it, so too the US is using this play that has worked for almost 100 years, since WW-1: Let others ruin their countries with revolutions and war, and then come in to mop up buy things up when the blood is flowing freely in the street.
Seems like little has changed, except updates to the PR game and Toys of War.
The main problem with your thesis is that the USA typically foments the unrest in those countries or even facilitates the overthrow of their legitimate governments. See the overthrow of the leader of Iran in 1953 and the coup in Ukraine last year for examples. The actual list of countries the USA has done this to is looooong.
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On second thought, why should Russia worry about Obama? He can't even hold US territory overseas....
Obama’s US Embassy Scoreboard: Islamic Terrorists 3, United States 0
"Bi-Winning!"
Carlos Irwin Estévez (Charlie Sheen)
Russian Embassy in Libya evacuated after attack
Vladimir Isachenkov, Associated Press 12:58 p.m. EDT October 3, 2013
You was bein' a partisan.
Thanks to usa for making a mess in there .
At this moment, right now, there isn't a US embassy in Libya, but there is a Russian embassy in Libya.
"Here's another nice mess you've gotten me into, Barack"
The more I see pictures of Merkel and Putin together the more I think she could take him...
Her heritage /legacy is to try it anyway.
"what fun, we get to watch the elites set up another "great" war."
Yeah, WW3 - "the war to end all wars". This time for real as there may be no one left to start even a fistfight. It did not work with WW1 and WW2 but hey, three times a charm...
All jokes aside, these events are troubling. We need regime change at home and fast before "these people" get a lot (more) of Americans killed.
If President Dipshit keeps it up, the US will get about 500 Mt of hope and change dispersed across our nation within 30 minutes of launch.
as long as they take out DC only, I'm good with it
http://www.techbastard.com/missile/minuteman/images/pizza.jpg
(ICBM blast door offering a 30-minute guarantee)
they have bought off most of the sheeple and dumbed down the rest so much I dont know how we do it. Congress is thoroughly corrupt. What's the way out
most know, intuitively, what it'll take but can't or won't make the sacrifice.
REVOLUTION!!!
"Yanks are desperate, they'll probably send Kerry- Oh borscht shit, no, YOU talk to him...."
When things look their darkest and the chance of success is slim, you send in John Kerry. He runs everything into the ground and you don't need to waste any more time hoping things will turn out OK.
You're just hitting your stride. Forward!
Of course forward. Always forward. Never look back. Never understand the past. Never learn from it.
Well seriously "folks", what have we got here?
A bunch of socialist hooligans fighting (errr, ahhh "negotiating diplomatically") amongst themselves as to the division of profits & labor.
How trite...and I'm expected out of some sort of "nationalistic or patriotic pride" to pick a side amongst crony-socialist cabals?
lol...get fucking real.
Don't go dissing Putin on Zerohedge. There are serious man-crush issues with hin here.
it's more pussie hate than man crush (considering the the cast of opposing characters)
I do not see how "pussie hate" translates into man-crush for a corrupt dictator, unless you have supressed homo-erotic desires of a shirtless Putin slamming it between your checks. It is truly a mystery why anyone would admire this tyrant.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Look at all my donw arrows. Hilarious.
But you are not funny. Just a loser knight out of his time.
Just like the US government - proud of failure.
Probably will make people vomit in their mouth a little bit, but ...
Hillary Saves-The-World Grand Tour, 2016.
You can't teach an old psychopath new behaviors.
(But you can change the medication)
He better bring along James Taylor to sing a song...
Obama reports to Yellen. Yellen reports to someone else. I'm still fairly sure that Putin reports to the same person/s, but we'll see.
johngaltfla
"Good thing we have the man of steel, the ultimate warrior, Mr. Big Balls in charge."
more like golf balls...
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China doesn't give an excrement about Russia.
Jinping is trying to exploit this conflict on Russia's back
oh, jezz, it's USA, we are number one and all shit with it. It's the same China or Russia. USA just calculated that Russia is weaker than China and this is the main reason for bushing Russia in msm, but under carpet USA are doing the same for China too. You just don't have news about it. You can read small part of it when Obama said "We will help Japan with territorial dispute with China"
Just how long do you think that Russia and China are going to let the USA fuck with them without doing something (major) about it? I would not be surprised at all if there was a preemptive nuclear strike against USA military bases if the USA continues on their path of aggression around the world. IMHO the majority of the people on this planet (which are not in the "west" BTW) are sick and tired of being pushed around by the "exceptional people".
You just don't get real news, get it. Zerohedge is a tip of the iceberg for english people. USA is robbing nations by different systems - dollar, banks exchange rate, rating agencies, consulting agencies, soft, rigget markets,airport systems, gps, military bases, msm, cia prisons, puppet governments,imf, courts, banking system ( all transactions with usd go through usa banks),military,NGO, monsanto ( you can't make your own food) and other shit. IT's a one fucking big system named pax americano. IT IS A SYSTEM
We are disassemble the system piece by piece. You can't do it faster because this shithead in fed will start the war.
You need to make a table and check parts of the system. People are sick and tired but they don't have power and they are stupid. They don't understand how the system is working and they can't do a fuck alone.
GREAT POST!!!! Nice overview of the what is happening in the world right now!!!
preemptive strike on us bases, geee dickhed that is a wonderful strategy...
Then when the US Trident subs retaliate by letting their payload loose on Moscow...it wont seem like Springtime for Hitler
Yeah just like they did in Syria you CUNT!
Why do you want to start nuclear war so badly? Do you have any inkling how unpleasant that would be? Yes even you would be affected, it does not matter how low in the bunker you are or how high in government or on drugs you are. Your name demands an unprovoked nuke strike now against an enemy (created by US) that has no nuclear capability. Your other posts suggest you have no problems starting a nuclear war over virtually nothing. You are an inhuman animal. You are an emotional fool who wants to drop a nuke and spread radiation to innocent peoiple across the globe because ISIS makes you feel bad. You are a horrible human being whose most desired wish is untold suffering to the rest of humanity, along with the globalists, bankers oligarchs and lawyers, the world would be better off without you.
A bit of over kill on the Icemelt, doncha think?
What do you mean fuck with? China is the owner of huge amounts of usa debt, which they used to finance the construction of ghost cities, railroads to nowhere and money for men to import women. China's last course is to get into any military engagement, they have a shit-ton of problems at home.
And for Russia, good luck to the ordinary citizen in that country. Potatoes and vodka will sure make all those soliders strong like a bull!
Right, the mighty U.S. military, in which the average IQ of an infantry rifleman is 85. Back in my day when we had the draft the average as 100, a full standard deviation higher. Lots of luck if the outcome depends on the boots on the ground. Truth be told nobody knows whether our high tech stuff is better than Russia's high tech stuff. One thing though is certain. Both Manhattan Island and the DC beltway and Northern Virgina will be burning glass balls even if the U.S. launches the first strike. In a high tech and nuclear war the oligarchs and their aparatchiks and staffers are the first to die, long before the boots on the ground are engaged.
Thus in the event of all out war, there will be justice.
" in which the average IQ of an infantry rifleman is 85."
Where do you get that? Citation please. The US military is actually fairly selective. One reason it's so expensive (other than bloated systems costs) is how much they pay people, which is pretty considerable, to attract people who meet their requirements.
As for whose high tech stuff is better, if you look at things like patents, research, and actual combat performance of Russian systems against US systems, it is clear, and has never been seriously disputed, that the US has technical superiority in combat arms.
As for the oligarchs and their staffers being the first to die... doubtful. They have special places to go and ride it out. The common guy, not so much. So as always, the common guy will suffer most.
You forgot to mention Russian demographics - they're toast.
“Beginning with the global financial crisis in 2008, the U.S. decided to recover at the expense of others, including with the help of military adventurism and the destruction of full governments, employing the theory of ‘managed chaos'."
NWO mantra, ORDO AD CHAO, "Order Out of Chaos."
Obama's about to get his shiny new war authorization to wage war anywhere on the globe any time he wants. So he's all set.
"“Beginning with the global financial crisis in 2008, the U.S. decided to recover at the expense of others, including with the help of military adventurism and the destruction of full governments, employing the theory of ‘managed chaos'."
This laughable as it assumes the morons in charge actually have the capacity to make a plan.
Time to put the space lizards on a spaceship,back to orion.
You know about that shit too, huh?
I agree.
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/drafts/2007/DRU1571.pdf
Thanks, Reptil!
wonder if there would be room,on the lizard space ship
for a couple ex wives..
will pay in gold ..
Bring it Bitchez The US will crush you like the COCKroaches you are.
At least the 'Bright' Side will be that you folks under Putin's rule will be able to merely place your dinner on the front step to microwave your food..you know kinda like what Russia already did to the folks in the Ukraine, at Chernobyl
Great, so long as it's your kids you're willing to sacrifice to save the ZWO - NOT MINE.
When the rads fly, it done=t matter why, your kids will fry
You'll be up for a "Gamma-award" with another nomination for Lady Geiger counter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZkgcVNUmLQ
armchair general cunt calm yor tits .
Can I sum this up in one word?
Dickhead!
Yeah, good thing Russia has no nukes...
Good thing Obama has balls.
Yep, they are on mooochelle though. Guess he borrows them from time to time so that Reggie can polish them for him....
+1 for sarcasm. Now..
"Chernobyl showed us the true nature of nuclear energy in human hands. We'd calculated that our most powerful missile, the SS18, was as powerful as 100 Chernobyl's. The SS18 was the warhead the Americans feared the most. And we had 2700 of them. And these were the missiles we intended for the Americans. 2700. Imagine the destruction."
http://youtu.be/dS3WvKKSpKI?t=1h27m32s
Yes indeedy. Just imagine the destruction.
is it just me or I see more and more of this "undercover" idiots from the "other" side showing up here at ZH to check for something?
is it fear ?
seems like they are nervous
state department got more budget?
Yes we fear that the Russian propagandist are even more fucked up than "we" ever imagined, aint that right sparky?
You have a decided Limy Lilt to your posts , there Chindit.
Better work on it.
+1000 They r spring up like Chia Pets!!!
Bring it Bitchez The US will crush you like the COCKroaches you are.
You, sir, are a fool. Maybe you haven't kept up on recent developments around Crimea but the Russians have demonstrated they have a device that can render an Aegis class destroyer's electronic warfare suite completely inoperable. Last spring a Russian fighter jet, using their "Khibiny" electronic warfare countermeasure device, totally blinded the Donald Cook destroyer. The Russian jet then did multiple mock strafing passes over the American ship with total impunity - while the pilot flipped the bird to the crew on deck.
If anyone thinks that the USA going up against Russia, or even worse, Russia and China, will be like their bullying BS in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, etc., they are going to be sorry. The citizens of the USA need to wake up and say; "No more wars for the banking cartel and the military/industrial complex". Otherwise there may not be a USA (at least as we know it now) in the immediate future.
Hey nice screen name dickhead..you fucking imbecile, as if anyone can "win" a nuclear war...
If you believe that fucking Russian propaganda you are even more ignorant than your inbred appearance..
I am amazed at you fucking moron propagandists that have been hypnotised (or paid to obfuscate) by Putin, even where you have the facts uncovered that he is raping your country...you fucking demented tool
Oh by the way, if there is no USA, then you can bet that Russia will have also been blown far...far...far away
Keep watching FOX Neus pal. And hey, I'll send you a copy of "American Sniper" if you give me your address . . .
"Fox news"...lol
As if anyone could rely upon the media for their info, although You seem to be the weak minded target that Brian Wiliams directed his "war stories" at, knowing full well that you as Joe six pack, would only be concerned with getting that next six pack o' Pabst
You are revealing your radish IQ
What was it like to have your brother and sister as your parents, must have been interesting Holidays
How old are you?
methuselah was a great great grandson
Can I sum this up in one word?
Dickhead!
Chernobyl, the Gift that keeps giving, even in 2015
http://rt.com/news/231067-wildfire-chernobyl-radiation-caesium/
No but that wasnt Russia's fault...../sarc
According to most posters here - Russia has never committed any mistakes to their people and their weapon systems were donated by ailens which trump anything on earth.
Yeah! Remember when Russia destroyed those Middle Eastern countries countless times Over the last half century?
No, according to most posters here, Russia is a way for US to stop this madness. We all realize Putin is just another oligarch, but he is challenging the US oligarchs/tribe and may be a way for us to get our foot in the door for regaining power to our country. Once you understand this, you will understand the reason people are pulling for the ruskies, to sort of dethrone the US so it can be shown that the emperor has no clothes (and losses part of its power) so that real sane reforms can take place...reforms that bring us back to a republic form of government.
Let me get this right you Ass Clown. Here is the size of Russia.
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/countries_by_area.htm
and here is How many time zones they have
http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_time_zones_does_Russia_have
No one wins a Nuke war and you are a Utter Moron for even thinking it. This is not Call Of Duty. Get your head out of your ass. Then again you sound like a losser who wants the end of the World cause you have some type of issue probably stemming from your lack of pussy you get.
"You, sir, are a fool. Maybe you haven't kept up on recent developments around Crimea but the Russians have demonstrated they have a device that can render an Aegis class destroyer's electronic warfare suite completely inoperable. Last spring a Russian fighter jet, using their "Khibiny" electronic warfare countermeasure device, totally blinded the Donald Cook destroyer. The Russian jet then did multiple mock strafing passes over the American ship with total impunity - while the pilot flipped the bird to the crew on deck."
You should really know something about what you are talking about before you show yourself as a moron. The Russians may or may not have a device to render an Aegis destroyer's electronic suite completely inoperable. The claim of such a capability came from state controlled Russian media. But if they actually do have such a capability, they would not show it to us during peacetime.
There is, in fact, no way to stop a jet in international waters from buzzing a ship, other than shooting it down and starting a war. In addition, a Russian fighter does not have the capability to know what effect it's ECM has on a target. It does not have analytical capability, and all a pilot would know is that he is not dead... yet. In addition, the ship probably would not even employ it's ECM capabilities on the aircraft as they would not want to give away capabilities to any monitoring Russian assets. Military ships and aircraft try to provoke reactions from foriegn vessles, aircraft and ground stations all time to collect information about their capabilities. Smart militaries do not oblige and try not to react in order to deny this information to potential adversaries. They want these capabilities to stay a tight secret until they have to be used in war. In addition, the US vessel would not employ its fire control radars on the Russian aircraft as this is seen as a very aggressive and provocative act which would result in diplomatic protests and lots of paperwork for the sailors involved, which I assure you, thy would avoid at all costs. So the US crew would simply watch the Russian aircraft fly around and enjoy the show. I have seen many. It is great fun. We even announced what was happening on the "1MC" (ships intercom) so people can go topside and watch.
The story is also rather unbelievable because the Russians, too, would not employ ECM capabilities against a US ship in peacetime for the very same reasons the US would not. If they did, they would give away a great deal about their combat capabilities and allow the US time to build countermeasures, negating any possible technology advantage the Russians might have.
These are called facts, and not speculation. The story is pure stupidity that can only be believed by people who do not know how things really work.
that donald cook piece was exaggerated surely considering resgnation of cre members and screen goinng blank but you've failed to catch the clue . Aegis is a boondoggle .Do some search you'll come to know what facts really are . FYI : US never disagreed with russian story either . This isn't specualtion a fact . Moreover yanks need to shut up when it comes to media . citing " State controlled media " doesn't prove anything . Look at your privately owned ( by businessmen and oligarchs ) news channel . Several times american warmongering media has ben exposed with lies . But still you idiot follow it . Whereas their state controlled media reports plain facts and show you the other alternatives . So you idiots need to change your perception and preconceived notions that state controlled media is preposterous . They have busted your false narrative several times .
AEGIS DDGs have multiple fully-integrated electro-optical targeting systems that can cue all of its air defense weapon systems.
The Russian navy spent most of the past 25 years tied up in port rusting (or trying not to), while the US fleet was constantly operating, turning over new ships and vastly extending its research advantages and continuous high-level of funding, then maximizing basing and alliance-operation, integration and training.
AEGIS destroyers carry a 127mm MK45 rapid fire gun with two electro-optical sights and an auto loaded multipurpose air-defense round. It also has two 20 mm Phalanx close-in air defense weapon systems that also have distributed electro-optical targeting arrays. Even recent block ESSM medium-range air defense missiles can be launched using an electro-optical contact, the distributed acquisition automatically resolves contact vector. It's all a standard part of cooperative engagement in electronic degraded conditions. Did you really think it was as easy as jamming an AESA panel?
ROFL!
Many US and allied DDGs also have robotic automated mini-typhoon 50 cals with electro-optical targeting. On top of this DDGs almost certainly have a few Stingers too. Allied naval SAMs likewise can launch, track and home, passively, on jammer emissions.
Did you really not know ANY of this?
The Su-24 could have been shot down by multiple systems. In fact all of that DDG's air defense systems could have done that at any time. The Su was baiting for the AEGIS to light-up and engage in EW. i.e. it was on an ELINT mission to elicit electronic response from the combat system and the USN of course didn't fall for such obvious shenanigans.
LRASM exists and is about to enter production. It can be passively targeted (completely without AEGIS), it can be cued by an OTHR, by maritime patrol aircraft, HALE maritime patrol drone cued, satellite cued, submarine cued, UUV cued, passive hydrophone sensor cued, fighter cued, and even WEAPON cued! The uninterruptible datalinks in conjunction with the weapon's sensors can provide precise target data and even imagery update to following-on weapons that are already in the air. AEGIS is not needed at all to kill an opposing fleet at between 1,000 and 5,000 km range. US targeting satellites also use passive electro-optical systems. A fleet can't hide, fast moving military aircraft can't hide either. Wherever and when ever they takeoff, on land, or at sea, they are continuously tracked and performances observed (and stored) from beginning to end.
LRASM
LRASM serial production in 2015
Late block datalinked JASSMs and JASSM-ERs can already do most of what a LRASM does, and those are already fielded in large numbers. LSRAM is a late-block JASSM with more dedicated engagement capabilities against air warfare cruisers or DDGs.
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The reason why you, and people like you 'believe' such mind-blowingly simple-minded crap like, "... the USS Donald Cook was, like, totally unable to react to the Su-24 man! Like, game over dude!", is because you want to. It's not because it was ever remotely true, nor made any sort of sense in the light of publicly disclosed and clearly observable systems physically in place on the ships.
Which I'm sure NATO navies feel is almost the ideal situation. ;-)
Thank you for this nicely detailed intrusion of reality.
No doubt. Many Americans will be wanting to turn the tv on to see how the US/russia/china war is doing.LMAO!!
"Well, a couple cities just got nuked, make sure we go ahead and pay our mortgage in case the net gets knocked out se we aren't late and get foreclosed on".
I see the Brits have shown up, BATT77 peter puffers have arrived...
Shut before someone steps on you..
I've eaten smarter things than you.
Stop whoring for Wall Street.
http://www.showrealhist.com/yTRIAL.html
http://patrick.net/?p=1223928
Shakespear would be proud of the production quality in this theatre production of the "multi-polar new world arises from the ashes of the american empire's overreach".
Anyone recall the russian troops training on u.s. soil for "peace keeping"? When was that? Last year? Yesterday?
Just as sordid as fighting the extremists that we trained and funded.
Cognitive dissonance much? Look through the cover stories. The new world order narrative is the only one that makes sense of these otherwise childishly pathetic conflicts of interest in the metanarrative.
I do seem to remember Russian bombrs carrying nukes buzzing Europe..but I guess that is Russia's version of th welcome wagon..you fucking hypocrite
NIN - Your comment isn't worth responding to, but your pen name, now that brings up an interesting question:
Are you suggesting that we nuke langley where the ICIAL is headquartered?
Managed chaos. He read Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine" no doubt.
It's not a theory, and they do a shitty job of managing the chaos created.
Let me dream.
Patrushev: “The aid sent to Kiev won’t lead to any practical results. No one is preparing to raise the standard of living in Ukraine or set up its young people in Europe for real.”
No truer words. The young people of Ukraine, the ones being drafted and blasted, may soon catch on that their biggest enemy is not Putin, but their own government. They overthrew one government recently. They may have to do it again.
and what is Putin and his lovers doing to the young people of Russia? Tell when did a young person in Russia actually have a chance to make something of themseleves in the history of Russia, unless they wanted to join the KGB mafia?
A few actually. But the Kaspersky guys actually are example of. Same with Yandex crew, etc. Quite a few of them actually.
Russian companies are signing major deals around the Globe employing and training 10's of thousands of engineers etc etc and all the while Barry & the NeoCON crowd are handing out food stamps to their young folks.
Travel educates asshole!
Russia provides sanctuary to countless refugees moving East and out of Ukraine. I'm curious if any of the Euro-nations have opened their doors in light of the conflict, or if their generosity only extends to mercs and gear entering Ukraine.
The Khazarian Gnomes are getting very irrational and unpredictable (much more so than "normal"). Like any animal they will lash out when cornered or threatened. Things are not going well for them on a number of fronts so watch out - they would rather kick the tables over and destroy everything rather than end up relinquishing power. And true to form for any ground animal they will seek refuge in their underground lairs hoping to come out after the shit has hit the fan - to resume their game of power and control all over again.
"Fuck the EU"
Is what Victoria Nukeland said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_GShyGv3o
"Hardly needs an explanation." I can think of several potential outcomes to which "inevitable confrontation with Russia nad China" would apply.
Hey tyer, why dont you change the name of this place to "Drama queen hedge"
lol russia and china confronting each other is a myth . They have US as mutual problem . You're the one messing around S,China sea .
Victoria Nukeland says: "Fuck Russia!".
I thought she said "Fuck the EU" but I'm good with both sentiments.
No victoria says fuck you
Yuk! Remind me to never buy a "Navy Blue" suit!
Wow, Talk about Bullish... WW3, followed by green shoots and little spidey divey for all.
What's with Hollande and the limp wrist?
Then Russia and China should stop doing so much business with the West
Boeing To Maintain Programs With Russia’s VSMPO To At Least 2022
Ford To Roll Out 6 New Models in Russia
Louisiana’s LQT Delivers Oil Rig Housing To Sakhalin Russia
IBM Opens Finance Processing Center In Russia
U.S. Martin Engineering Opens New Division in Moscow
Texas-based Schlumberger Buys 45% Stake In Russian Oil Driller
Europe’s Business Integration With China Growing Fast
China’s Biggest Law Firm To Merge With Western Multinational Law Firm Dentons
Russia’s Rosneft Buys Into French Oil Refinery
Gazprom Awards Germany’s PSI For Gas Transport In N.W. Russia
U.S. DoE Helping China Build a Molten-salt Nuclear Reactor
U.S. Chevron & Russia’s Lukoil Enter In Joint Project In Nigeria
Chinese Billionaires Buying American
Russia Approves $2.3B For Finnish Nuclear Power Plant
ExxonMobil Joint Venture With Russia’s Rosneft Begins Production Offshore Russia
Russia’s New Startup City ‘Tek!’ Comes to Silicon Valley to Recruit
Round and round we go. This is what I keep coming back to. "I can be more flexible after the elections".
This is all a set up. Swiss depeg. Greece playing hero. EU splitting. Ukraine. BRICS. Economies crashing. The chaos is building and about to explode.
You can't honestly tell me the people running these countries are bumbling reactionary children. That central banks have no clue of consequences. They know full well. This is what flexibility looks like.
And we all know what comes after chaos.
"And we all know what comes after chaos".
And the answer
What is
A nasty fly covered brown log that is chock full of peanuts, corn kernels, and by God even a couple of worms?
Can I sum this up in one word?
Dickhead!
do it dickhead .
As a GREAT picture/cartoon of
Corp-> Politician -> Media-> Consumer
You gotta see this cartoon.
You will want to copy/paste it and send it to your friends.
http://thechive.com/2011/03/01/things-that-make-you-go-hmmm-21-photos/in...
I'm calling first dibs on New York State as soon as Putin launches nukes,
neighbour.
:|
Now where the hell did I put those anti-depressants!!!
Stop whoring for Wall Street.
http://www.showrealhist.com/yTRIAL.html
http://patrick.net/?p=1223928
Looks like Putin needs a quick potty break before Intermission is over.
And, while I'm thinking of it, I just flashed back to all those guys who were talking about Putin and Obama going at it one-on-one and who'd win?
Look at Poroshenko and Putin and make the same comparison.
will you juggle my balls if i lick your cunt?
the puppet poroshenko is a fat fuck after eating his own chocolate brownies.
this will end badly.
“The U.S. administration expects [its recent] anti-Russian measures to decrease quality of life for the population, give rise to mass protests and push Russian citizens to overthrow the current government using the scenario of the ‘color revolutions,’” Mr. Patrushev said, referring to pro-Western uprisings that occurred in Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan from 2003 to 2005"...
And South Ossetia 2008...
Yes. Georgy Schwartz...And how did all of those misadventures go for you and your wallet?... So now after Pristina, Belsan, Georgia, Volgograd and now Ukraine, and every single defeat you've had in the Middle East, you're going to put yourself to the ultimate test against the most capable nuclear superpower and military on the planet?... I say it in earnest because the U.S. has been at war for 14 years since 9/11 and is not anywhere near the same fighting force it was in 2001... This doesn't even begin to state the obvious of how the entire structure of the U.S. military was radically altered when Rumsfeld and Cheney took over and re-architected everything under the rubric of the CIA and NSA into the "flexible" special ops fighting force we have today that is completely ill prepared and ill equipped to fight a range war like the one they had before 1990 when we had the force and capability to deal with the Soviets. Now it's completely bankrupted, undisciplined, out of money and out of time!
Somebody has to have the balls to put this senile old fuck to sleep along with the rest of the "old guard' of Rothschild(s) and Rockefeller(s) before they give the order that will be the biggest loss not only to them but everybody else on this planet! They have a death wish and it's all or nothing for them!!!
It's what I've said many time before here. These fuckers have never lost and 50 years later are now losing.
And not just losing big, they are losing everything!