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Russia Warns US, Supplying Arms To Ukraine "Will Have Dramatic Consequences"

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As Putin arrives at the Minsk Summit, his Deputy Foreign Minister makes the Russian position clear to Washington:

  • *U.S. ARMS SUPPLIES TO UKRAINE WILL HAVE DRAMATIC OUTCOME: IFX
  • *RUSSIA WILL NOT IGNORE U.S. ARMS SUPPLIES TO UKRAINE: IFX

Hardly what Merkel or Hollande wants to hear?

As Interfax reports,

  • U.S. LETHAL WEAPONS SUPPLIES TO EAST UKRAINE WILL HAVE DRAMATIC CONSEQUENCES, RUSSIA WON'T BE ABLE TO STAY ASIDE - RYABKOV
  • CHIZHOV: U.S. IS ARTIFICIALLY SUPPORTING DEBATE IN EUROPE ON SUPPLY OF WEAPONS TO UKRAINE
  • CHIZHOV: EUROPE UNDERSTANDS THAT SUPPLY OF WEAPONS TO UKRAINE WILL INCREASE RISK OF DIRECT INVOLVEMENT OF RUSSIA

And finally Poroshenko adds,

  • POROSHENKO: SITUATION WILL GET OUT OF CONTROL IF AGREEMENT ON DE-ESCALATION OF SITUATION IN DONBAS IS NOT REACHED IN MINSK

 

 

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Putin has arrived In Minsk...

 

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Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:16 | 5771511 clade7
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whaddaya mean Dramatic?  Like how many pieces of flair do I need?  Chatzkis or Flingers?  Fuck you and your TPS reports!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:17 | 5771523 Haus-Targaryen
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Cue hunt for the Red October theme song -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEt41bYQBgE

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:24 | 5771572 Troll Magnet
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I hope Russia doesn't start arming Mexican drug cartels or anything...because our .gov hates competition!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:27 | 5771608 Unix
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Too late!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:32 | 5771649 wallstreetapost...
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*RUSSIA WILL NOT IGNORE U.S. ARMS SUPPLIES TO UKRAINE: IFX

Unlike how the US IGNORES the Russian arms supplies to Syria.   Fuck you Barry.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:36 | 5771673 Publicus
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World War 3 for World Peace.

 

Third time's the charm.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:38 | 5771688 HardlyZero
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Putin looks like Darth Vader walking in.

WowTM.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:50 | 5771774 honkadoo
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Leave it to the ZHers to get their panties all wet and hot over shirtless Putin.  'Murca!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:58 | 5771798 Latina Lover
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Dumb comment, typical of   Mainstream Media koolaid drinkers.

I'll bet that most ZH'ers are not in love with Putin, and wouldn't care less if the USSA wasn't trying to provoke another european war.    If you ask the typical american, only 16% can even find the Ukraine on a map, much less explain the hokey MSM BS why we are provoking Russia.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:01 | 5771840 Unix
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Your avatar is quite delicious too, latina lover!!!! I know where Ukraine is on a map, it's between a rock and a hard place!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:12 | 5771903 Urban Roman
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Or between Iraq and a cold place.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:23 | 5771964 Pinto Currency
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Russia's response is exactly as anticipated.

The question is then why does NATO/US want this.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:46 | 5772074 tired1
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I suspect that the mad rush for a cease fire is because there are many foreign, ie NATO/US/Isreali troops caught in the latest cauldron that could cause a major embarassment to some folks.

I dont know what the worry is. If that's the case then the only info about it would appear on alt media. Look into the latest FF bombing just before the meeting.

I'm curous how Putin will play this. The easy chess move is to not agree to a cease fire, but he's thinking several moves ahead. Gonna be interesting to see the Merk/Holl/Porosh try to wiggle out of a stranle hold.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:03 | 5772154 InjectTheVenom
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yes big big thanks to LatinaLover for the avatar selection...i wish i could enlarge it or zoom in somehow but i'm not very tech-savvy.     also (lesser degree of)thanks for  using the (rarely used by sheeples) proper form of  "could/couldn't care less" phrase  !     LL, please comment more often.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:12 | 5772229 PTR
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LatinaLover for the avatar selection...i wish i could enlarge it or zoom in somehow but i'm not very tech-savvy. 

 

open a post or his profile in chrome, righ-click over image, select "search google for this image" and Hal shows you the results.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:19 | 5772582 MarsInScorpio
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Dear Latina Lover:

 

They just love you for your avatar's boobs . . .

-30-

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:38 | 5772666 DutchR
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Funny, he's a 347 pound male, tits are right but avatar is .....

 

/s

 

LL next drink's on me

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:29 | 5773084 tostaky06
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Nothing about Putin threatens to tell about 9 11 ?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:29 | 5773381 DutchR
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You know i was not talking about Putin , right but about LL

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 19:36 | 5773631 Cadavre
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"Russia Warns US, Supplying Arms To Ukraine "Will Have Dramatic Consequences"

Hate to play master of the obvious again, but isn't that precisely what the US Fascioligarchs want? They ain't gonna quit their little blood-to-gold alchemy  scam while they can still muster enough ATP to gulp another breath.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 14:44 | 5776852 Frankie Carbone
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Has anyone tried to regulate, and hence corner the market on ATP, NADPH, or ADP? I am quite surprised that Big Pharma hasn't tried to claim patents yet.  

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:46 | 5772923 Miffed Microbio...
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And I love you for being Mars in Scorpio. No better definition of hot in my book! ;-)

Miffed;-)

Personally his avatar has good volume but could use a bit of a lift. Hands above shoulders is a female trick we use to raise our boobs for photos and she is a tad saggy.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:55 | 5772964 DutchR
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Learn a thing every day, female posture

*check

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:53 | 5773477 dogbreath
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you misunderstand.   Mens minds are rational and we appreciate the math of the arc of the curve a tures  thats why  the fakes are unappealing

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:58 | 5773498 DutchR
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Beauty is in the phi of the beholder

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 19:30 | 5773610 Miffed Microbio...
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I agree, fakes are disgusting and I love my arcs and curves.

Mr miffed has told me that barrel shape is definitely not in the lucious arc catalogue however. That keeps me trim.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:13 | 5772234 hyperbole2000
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Mr. Polonium's Crimean  land grab has created a self-inflicted weak defensive position requiring a land brige to shore it up.  A classic killing zone will be availble and a wall of steel spear tips dripping with malice and ill intent will be awaiting Mr. Polonium's ghouls.

Checkmate my ass.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:28 | 5772334 Pinto Currency
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Mr. Berezovsky was Mr. Polonium and he is dead after drowning in his bathtub.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/23/17431221-russian-tycoon-berezovsky-found-dead-in-london?lite

What does Berezovsky have to do with the current situation?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:31 | 5772342 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Welcome to fantasy world. Try your luck with Disney or something, their writers suck and you definitively have the talent for fantasy.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:36 | 5772370 11b40
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You should probably stick to your video games.  Hyperbole, indeed.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:40 | 5772669 DutchR
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Derailment of topic, 101

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:49 | 5773174 caconhma
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Putin's ZH groupies are at work. No wonder. We have a Zionist puppet president who is destroying America from inside and outside and Putin's ZH groupies are enjoying every single moment of it.

Thanks to Obama and the Congress, ISIS terrorist monster was created and now Obama to start Iraq war number 3. In Ukraine, Obama administration installed  an utterly corrupt zionist ruling oligarchy that took Ukraine into a civil war and Putin's military invasion. Now our oligarchy is shitting in their underwear being afraid to confront terrorist Russia.

Putin's Russia and Communist China are changing the world geopolitical landscape in a time when Obama, the Congress, and Banking Mafia are destroying America. It is a very sad time.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:53 | 5773196 Anusocracy
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Typical ingroup-outgroup idiocy from a typical ingroup-outgroup idiot.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:00 | 5773234 HowdyDoody
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The ceasefire is irrelevant in the real world. The Ukraine Nazis will ignore it as they have ignored all the previous ceasefires. Heck, there was a supposed ceasefire to allowed civilians trapped in Debaltsevo to be bussed out to safety. The Nazis opened fore on the convoy so most civilians are still there. The convoy was under the careful watch of the OSCE. The OSCE paid not attention to the Nazis and the used the lull in firing to ship out their wounded and to ship in more ammo.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:52 | 5772106 AgShaman
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Just look at their mission statement form their website.

They are promoting peace and democracy around the world, and to avoide conflicts.

How ironic eh? What you have gotten, since their inception 60+ years ago....is over 100 wars and conflicts

If you want world peace.........shut down the group that accounts for endless wars on this planet (NATO)

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:24 | 5772316 Joenobody12
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why does NATO/US want this ? 

How about re-establishing Khazaria and Russia is in the way. 

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:09 | 5772499 DutchR
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Stirr shit up* and make money?

 

edit* not that they are leaving the planet, right

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:23 | 5771965 PrayingMantis
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... even Mr. Putin's plane has a big smile on its face ... perhaps the same type of smile when a chessmaster drops the word "checkmate" on an opponent ...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:34 | 5772014 Dead Canary
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Ok. Putin is a thug. But he's a smart thug and has balls. Our thugs are stupid and cowardly. Putin wins!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:03 | 5772492 venturen
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Effeminate Chicago Thug vs Masculine Russia Thug in his backyard...wonder who is going to win this one

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:49 | 5772092 tired1
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Love your avatar. How'd you come by it? FWIW, it's also a style of Chinese fighting with which I'm familiar, and I have some history with those wonderful bugs. Also reflects on my love life.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:02 | 5772153 tenpanhandle
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Prayng for sex?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:38 | 5772665 tired1
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Hint: the female eats the male after mating. After all, of what more use is he?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:42 | 5772680 DutchR
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Trick question right?

 

Teleprompting

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 19:52 | 5773712 Cloud9.5
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Five minutes later you will be praying for forgivness.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:09 | 5772795 PrayingMantis
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>>> "Love your avatar. How'd you come by it? "

... thanks tired1 ...

... its just the anagram for Marinating Spy ... :)

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:09 | 5771884 SMG
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Putin is just another puppet playing a role for the Luciferian Oligarchs who want to depopulate the world with WWIII. 

All I can say is prepare yourself before it's too late.  There's no stopping this. :(

"Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature."

 

http://worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

 

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:21 | 5771956 FreeShitter
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Queing Alber Pike about WWIII

 

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:26 | 5771977 mc225
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this quote is probably fake innit?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:49 | 5772091 ArgentDawn
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It was on the internet, it must be true.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:15 | 5772560 DutchR
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It is, not was, but then again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

And he fucked your next president, go figure....

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:02 | 5772156 rlouis
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I have "pondered" over this quote for the past 10 or 12 years, since I first came across it in William Guy Carr's book, Pawns In the Game.  The book doesn't have a printing date, but the author's introduction is dated 1958.  Until the the recent rapid and inexplicable rise of ISIS I wouldn't have given it much chance.   The original letter by Pike to Mazzini was reported being in the British Museum.  A year or two ago I read somewhere that the letter was missing.  Curiously, there is a statue honoring Mazzini in New York's Central Park.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:37 | 5773117 Paveway IV
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Ramblings of a psychopath and nothing original - it's just been stated differently many, many times in history.

Replace all the religious trigger words with their opposites and read it. Then replace all the religious trigger words with political -ism trigger words. Then swap THOSE around.

If many of those alternative versions seem kind of familiar, they are. The idea has been around for the last six thousand or so years.

Here's the abbreviated version "Other tribes threaten my tribe, therefore anyone not in my tribe is evil and must be destroyed. If there's lots of other tribes, then we can sit back,  let them destroy themselves and then claim our victory. There is no such thing as morality or good or evil - there is only my tribe"

Mazzini chose an easy target: other tribes. His work lacks much mention of a tribe's enemies from within, but the same sort of vision applies.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:38 | 5773419 Mayer Amschel R...
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Per "Curse of Canaan," Pike & Mazzini traded letters debating their Freemason deity's name: Pike preferred Lucifer, and Mazzini wanted Satan.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_(1840_statue)   -- George Washington, reknown Mason, in sculpted a distinct pose

&

http://thesatanictemple.com/update-on-statue-of-baphomet/   -- Baphomet was unequivically the deity of Templars and their descendent, Freemasons.

 

Forming a connection does not require an overactive imagination.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:33 | 5773866 Paveway IV
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"...Forming a connection does not require an overactive imagination..."

Which is exactly why it's been a favorite tool of psychopaths all this time.

Man's greatest trick of all time has been convincing himself that the source of evil IS NOT mankind. Instead, it's some invisible spirits' fault that beams evil into us through evil spells and Samsung voice control smart TVs. (Sorry - should have included the Masons and they're rituals, and especially those god damn Shriners.)

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:53 | 5772449 quasimodo
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Pike the freemason jar? Pretty sure that has been debunked a time or two.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:28 | 5774038 Lolitsa
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You forgot about judgement day when Satan will get a mass influx of 'citizens' for his realm - and the true Christians will be forever with the Lord. Amen, so let it be.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:46 | 5772419 StupidEarthlings
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"

Putin is just another puppet playing a role for the Luciferian Oligarchs who want to depopulate the world with WWIII. 

All I can say is prepare yourself before it's too late.  There's no stopping this. :(

"Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature." "

 

The only prob (well..maybe not the only) with this argument is ..  if the "Luciferian Oligarchs" wanted to 'depopulate the world' , do they really need to trick people into falling for a wwIII scenario? I mean, they have the power to just blow peole up/ take over whatever they want- at gunpoint /bribery/droning.. however they want. They don't need a pretend war.

Yes, there are Oligarchs.

Yes, People do get tricked into believing the war crap.

 

But oligarcs running both sides of the chess board just to trick the public that they plan to kill with said war?... doesnt add up.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:05 | 5772477 BLOTTO
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You still need worker bees, with that drone mentality, to keep the daily hive operations on schedule and serve the Queen bee.

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This is more than a battle for our minds and bodies.

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This is spiritual warfare on epic proportions.

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Easy to just kill us off - but! to brainwash us, mainpulate us and then some of us hand over their souls willingly for some bulshit on this planet? -Ahhh now thats the rub for them...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:03 | 5772490 sleigher
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The planet has to be livable after the war.  I don't think they can just blow shut because they want to.  Much of what they do is because of our consent.  They must trick us into consenting to what they ultimately want.  Sure, they could just nuke everything but they would lose everything too.  They need us to want them to do it.    

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:18 | 5772579 Chad_the_short_...
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Weren't you in on the secret? The plan is to destroy every country while building Israel. Why do you think they are all dual citizens? Getting ready to run to Israel.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:21 | 5772596 DutchR
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This little blue marble is very important in the universe..........why?

 

Monkeys with nuclear devices

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:56 | 5772723 SMG
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Why are the oligarchs building so many bunkers then?

Part of the goal of WWIII is not only depopulation, but setting up the world government as well.

They played both sides of the chess board in the Cold War.   Do you think it's an accident all the military tech that has leaked to China and Russia?

The Oligarchs  plan has always been to burn everything to the ground (nations, economies, religions, etc.)  and like a phoenix their new global government rises from the ashes.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:57 | 5773494 nailgunnin4you
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The only prob (well..maybe not the only) with this argument is ..  if the "Luciferian Oligarchs" wanted to 'depopulate the world' , do they really need to trick people into falling for a wwIII scenario? I mean, they have the power to just blow peole up/ take over whatever they want- at gunpoint /bribery/droning.. however they want. They don't need a pretend war.

 

'They' don't need murder whatsoever actually. This Alex Jones bs really does my head in to the point where I want to believe this retarded mass extinction theory.

 

If, and 'they' don't, but if 'they' wanted to reduce human numbers to 500mill 'they' could enact a global one child policy citing imminent and irreversible catastrophic environmental destruction. This would create a decline of about 50% of worldpop every 40 years. This would be far easier to sell and execute (execute without having to execute) because it is not wholly untrue. To paraphrase the late great Bill Hicks: stop running for just a minute, we need to figure out this food/air deal, then you can go back to your running.

 

Basically, and it is so very basic, any pseudopowers on this planet desperately need moar humans, or as 'they' would see it, moar consumers and soldiers. Infinite growth has and always will be the goal, the big fish eat the little fish, until the desire for infinite growth clashes with the limits of a finite Earth. We know that day is coming, but we don't care. Sustainable resource allocation is not something our 'evolved' species is capable of, so we keep running.

 

The depopulation theory is adorable and great for selling infowars t-shirts and iodine I'm sure but do stop implying that the human species requires a cabal of malevolent actors to escort us to the brink of extinction, we are quite capable of that ourselves thankyou very much. 

 

Folly, not conspiracy, will be our end. Don't worry though, it's just a ride.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:41 | 5774073 e_goldstein
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Up or down for ^

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:17 | 5771930 RadioactiveRant
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The West isn't provoking Russia, the Ukraine decided to align itself with what appeared to be a more successful alliance (the EU); thats democracy. If Putin had any brains he'd have left the Ukraine to it, withdrawn its favourable gas rates, waited for the EU to explode and taken the bitch back on his terms.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:22 | 5771963 The_Prisoner
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Premise is wrong.

Ukraine decided to ally with Russia. US wouldn't have it, so they sent Vicky Nuland to stir some shit. All it took was some cookies, and $5 billion. In one think she was right, though: the EU is fucked. :)

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:34 | 5772023 RadioactiveRant
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The Orange Revolution predates Nuland. I suppose that and Euromaiden were just CIA ops?

Russia is a backward shithole desperate to keep its empire despite not offering a way of life anyone wants to keep. All the Russian bride ads running on this site aren't to convince you to move there, they're so attractive women can marry their way out. Have you ever seen an attractive American trying to wed her way to a Russian passport FFS

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:39 | 5772046 Jack Burton
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Even if what you said is true. It has no bearing whatsoever on the Civil War in Ukraine. The Euro Maidan Coup and the CIA funding of it. It is US power on Russia's borders, not Russian power on USA borders. Or do you argue for Imperial rights to do anything anywhere on anyone elses lands?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:41 | 5772402 Anunnaki
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To paraphrase Louis the IXV and whell it forward t Emperor Obama:Le monde c'est moi

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:19 | 5772822 August
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I think you've done all the amateur psychoanalysis required in Mr. Obama's case.

The man seems to have no actual abilities or achievements beyond reading a TelePromTer, and being able to convince a significant number of people, particularly himself, that he is Very Very Very Special.

The most Special Person in the world, likely the most Special Person who has ever lived.  Of course a large and growing percentage of the population knows he's just another lying sack of shit.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:41 | 5772056 The_Prisoner
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What empire?

The US is the one desperate to keep its empire.

You're projecting. Which is quite common personality disorder amongst deluded Americans.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:46 | 5774095 Dancing Disraeli
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Both sides want to keep their empires.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:44 | 5772064 KenShabby
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"The Orange Revolution predates Nuland."

Big Fucking Deal - Ukranians don't know what the fuck they want. They replace one government with another only to go back to the one they tossed out - and that was before the coup.


Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:00 | 5772148 Bunghole
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Ukraine is a backward shithole desperate to suck Zio cock.

FIFY

You resally think Ukie bride ads dont exist?

State Department Nigger, Please.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:55 | 5772121 tired1
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Not quite accurate. Ukraine could have made an arrangement but it would have to renegotiate trade relationship with Russia as to terms of then current tarrif free arrangement. Otherwise EU could flood Russia with no tarrif goods.

Something else provoked CIA/Mossad to carry out the coup at that time., I dont know what. New elecions were only three months away.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:08 | 5772200 froze25
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The Ukraine Gov't only exist by a un elected coup.  It is fraud on its foundation, it will never hold because of it.  6% draftees showing up that should tell you something about how the people of the country feel. 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:08 | 5772201 hyperbole2000
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Nuclear Weapons are bad. Ukraine gave up their nukes voluntarily as part of a non-agression pact signed by Russia. If Russia's land grab is not responded to then no country will ever give up there nukes voluntarily again. That means nukes will never disappear form the planet and the odds are thay will likley be used. Might as well light-em up now. The status quo is unnacceptable and there are no unacceptable options.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:13 | 5772239 Urban Redneck
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After Iraq, Libya and Syria, no country was ever giving up WMD again anyway.

If the US keeps meddling where it has no business in Europe, the rest of Europe, or the enitre world is not going to a nice place to exist.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:30 | 5772336 chunga
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I'm really hoping the Europeans can do something to stop this dangerous US warmongering/meddling. It makes me sick that there seem to be plenty of Amerikans in favor of this action as some sort of bizarre patriotic "duty".

It's mental.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:28 | 5772625 angel_of_joy
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Don't get your hopes too high. The FED is propping up that dead corpse called EU through regular capital injections into their pathetic banks. US has the Europeans by the balls, and Merkel knows it. If you don't believe it, check the balance sheet of Deutche Bank, for a starter...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:59 | 5773225 Alvin Fernald
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The term is called jingoism.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 01:49 | 5774672 nailgunnin4you
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It makes me sick that there seem to be plenty of Amerikans in favor of this action as some sort of bizarre patriotic "duty".

 

Fascism'll do that.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:41 | 5772908 walktheline
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If the US keeps meddling in Europe it will get its corns cut in short order. People on here are fond of thinking the unthinkable, well think on this. At the end of the day France, Germany, Russia etc are all essentially Europeans who have an ongoing interest in doing business with each other. The US has pissed off most of the populaton of Europe and politicians like Hollande and Merkel are finally catching on to this, tho' unfortunately here in the UK we're stuck with Bumfuck Central in the form of Cameron, Millipede and other Zionist supporting pseuds. Basically when it comes to taking sides, Europe is not going to side with the US, because in reality there is absolutely fuck all about such a relationship that has any identifiable benefits for Europe and lots of downsides. Europe will not fight a proxy war over Ukraine on behalf of the US and the time is coming when Obozo or whoever will be told in no uncertain terms to butt out, in fact this has already happened by implication, witness the sidelining of Obozo and Cameron in the recent talks with Putin. I can't think of a clearer message.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:13 | 5773318 HowdyDoody
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In a full war, Europe can be handled easily. Just turn off the gas. The US/NATO machine assume unlimited readily available supplies of energy (US aircraft need to be kept pampered in air conditioned hangars, Russian aircraft are dumped in mud or snow drifts and dragged out fully functional when necessary.)

Russia knows the Europe is the distraction, so it will waste minimal resources on the monkey. It will go full out against the organ grinder as that is the only way to stop bullies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA_57Q4xeLQ

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:27 | 5773374 DutchR
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Ask Mike Tyson about a plan.

 

No war is ea-sily

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:40 | 5772397 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Ukraine gave up their nukes voluntarily as part of a non-agression pact signed by Russia. If Russia's land grab is not responded to then no country will ever give up there nukes voluntarily again. That means nukes will never disappear form the planet and the odds are thay will likley be used. Might as well light-em up now.

Yours is a very cheap trick of disinformation, another example that 'debate' is dead in the West as more and more people can not discuss facts and have to sidetrack.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:51 | 5772430 StupidEarthlings
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".... as part of a non-agression pact signed by Russia. If Russia's land grab is not responded to ...."            -  etc.

 

 

 

umm..what?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:28 | 5772853 tired1
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That's a good part of it. Also remeber that the nuke's fissionable material degrades over time. To maintain it one needs the proper reactors or a foreign source to replentish the warhead. As it turns out, Kuchma was far more interested in bleeding the country dry than for planing a nuclear confrontation.

Besides, who was there to protects against? After all, starting a war with Rusiia would be completely insane.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:24 | 5773067 Peelingtheonion
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PTI,

 

@Latina Lover....that's not even the half of it...just go to any MSM site and read the comments posted....and you'll fall out of your chair at the ingonorance, no stupidity of thses MSM brainwashed sheeple....I stop posting on HuffPO because my comments kept being deleted...the sheeple would fart the tune of the national anthem if the MSM told them it was the patriotic thing to do.... 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:59 | 5771827 Unix
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I prefer a topless Elle M! But that's just me...now noben's avatar is hot!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:49 | 5773173 noben
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Believe it or not, that was "Mrs noben" when I dated her, and I was into photography.

"Know what I mean, know what I mean? Nudge, nudge..."

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:21 | 5774011 Unix
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noben, you have taste and class! good on ya

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:27 | 5772319 bsdetector
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Hey Honkadoo where are you from and what is your angle? I don't place faith or trust in Putin but he seems to be handling the crisis on his country's border quitre well. And by the way, your attempt to slander "Muricans" falls on deaf ears you POS.  

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:48 | 5773157 Felix da Kat
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@ Honkadoo: And that is your first thought ? You obviously suffer a severe case of SPD (sexual preference disorder).

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:00 | 5771831 the phantom
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The West doesn't get it, it doesn't matter how much you arm the Ukies, Russia will counter and win as it's in their back yard.  Where Russia can really hurt the West is in responding asymmetrically through Iran/China/North Korea/Syria... take your pick. 

Then again, all this is about the US MIC... so actually, they totally get it. Redacted.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:15 | 5771871 Publicus
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Arming the Mexican cartel. Tanks and anti-air missles.

 

It's party time, from head of cartel to head of state.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:37 | 5772036 Jack Burton
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Ha! Ha! Taco stands with S-400 Anti Aircraft Complexes. Weed smugglers with RPG-7's.  Heroin trafficers with T-90 tanks. Go get 'em  ATF and DEA.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:57 | 5772130 Publicus
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It'd be a replay of West Ukraine vs East Ukraine. Except this time, it's the South vs the North.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:06 | 5772180 tenpanhandle
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That's South Mexico versus North Mexico.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:43 | 5772915 FallenOne
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MAke no mistake filthy whitey goys if Ukraine gets western armed Saudi Arabia goes the way of the DODO! No need to attack the great satan directly Saudi Arabia goes the American empire will fall right behind it!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:32 | 5774047 Lolitsa
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Now THAT would be a move for the history books. The documentaries will be pretty awesome. You will be forced to watch them, of course. Under penalty of enslavement in the work camps.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:05 | 5772992 Parrotile
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Jack: Tanks are relatively complex, and require significant ongoing investment (as well as being a very choice, high-value target). AT / AP munitions are far more attractive, and the Cartels would be able to buy many, many more RPG-7's than tanks for the same outlay, so from their viewpoint far more bang per buck spent. The other (very significant) advantage is portability, and ease of covert launch.

So, if I was a Mexican Cartel "Mr Big" and the Russkies approached me with a "modest proposal", I'd go for ye olde RPG-7 (or variant thereof) - http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/Weapons_and_Markets/Tools/Weapons_ID_DB/SAS_weapons-rocket-launchers-RPG7.pdf - battle-proven, and completely "soldier-proof" with an interesting selection of ammunition (AT / antipersonnel, even dual-warhead).

I'd also be interested in a good deal on these - SA18's http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=692, Mach 2.3 intercept, 11,000 ft ceiling, 3 mile + horizontal range, AND tolerant of many flare-based IR decoy systems . . . . . Just what I'd be looking for to "minimise operational risk" posed by ATF / Border Patrol operations . . . .

As an aside - notice how the RPG-7 has become almost "the" definitive term for an anti-tank rocket? Mention RPG-7 and EVERYONE knows what you are talking about - same as AK-47 / Kalashnikov is known by everyone as a very effective machine gun / assault rifle.

Both devices are completely "Soldier proof" - even child-soldier proof (numerous African conflicts have demonstrated this), both are Russian design (and build). So, a quick word to the US High Command - maybe picking a war with the Country that builds the World's "most popular 'Terrorist' weaponry" might be somewhat dumb . . .

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:47 | 5773165 Coldfire
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Thanks for those references, Parrotile.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:16 | 5773333 HowdyDoody
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I'm sure the CIA would have no qualms about supplying the Mexicans with this sort of firepower themselves if it was necessary in order to keep the drug lines (profit channels) open.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:38 | 5772041 Socratic Dog
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You've got me thinking.  That idea is not quite so far out in left field as I initially thought.  It is, though, based on the premise that the MSM reporting on the cartels is accurate, that's the only info we get on them and there's no reason to believe it any more than any of the other shit they spout.  Although Kardashian does seem to have a pretty big ass, so they're not always full of it.

If the cartels are what they say they are, then arming them up could be seen as an existential threat to the US.  You'd see an unimaginable panic in this country.  I think WWIII would be a certainty (not too far off it now, I know).  And you'd get to see how the US population handles the true reality of war, when it's in their own back yard.  Not too well, I'd guess.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:23 | 5772308 hyperbole2000
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Remember the Alamo!!!!!!!!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:27 | 5772328 cro_maat
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This assumes that the Mexican cartels are not controlled by the CIA. Considering that much of the CIA's black ops funds comes from their control of global heroin trade it would be surprising to find that the Sinaloa cartel is independent. We know that Holder likes to supply them guns and that Obama appreciates their efficient delivery of new Democratic voters to the U.S. so my take is that the Sinaloa cartel is another US NGO sponsored by Langley. Considering the diverse business model of the cartel I am surprised that Goldman Sachs has not taken them public.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:58 | 5772468 Stumpy4516
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Phantom,  how many long range missiles have the EUk's shot into Kiev?  Who has the longer range artilery?

Weapons are already being moved into WUk.  Once approval is given the new more destructive weapons will actually be deployed.  Including precise artilery, more powerful missiles (and more of them) and other weapons.

Did Putin respond to the phosporus attacks?

A EUke commander said it best (Not his exact words but best I can remember)  -  We can win battle after battle after battle - but if Russia does not enter the conflict we will lose.

This commander is correct.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:56 | 5772735 the phantom
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Russia is responding through the voentorg, meaning military help in being delivered discreetly.  I find vineyardsaker to be an extremely informative website with good ground information.  To say Putin has not responded would be, in my opinion, false.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:39 | 5771706 SMG
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A people as ignorant and gullable as we Americans have become are destined to be wiped from the face of the earth.

Sigh...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:20 | 5771946 Liquid Courage
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If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
- Sun Tzu

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:40 | 5772048 Socratic Dog
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What enemy?  Who exactly threatens the US?

Oh, you mean Washington.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:57 | 5772135 tired1
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Bibi will explain it all to Congree next month, be patient.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:09 | 5772203 dsty
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not if your BBFF Obama gets his way

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:43 | 5772912 August
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If you want to live, do NOT vote Rethuglican.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:09 | 5772189 aiaiai
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Huihuihuihuihui. Talmud Talmud Talmud Talmud!! Khazar Khazar Khazar Khazar!!!!!!!!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:11 | 5772221 new game
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enemy within. suttle ruthless and strikes 24/7. weapons include, media, education, monetary policy and overreach, to name a few...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 19:47 | 5773682 Clarabell
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“People as uninformed and as gullible as Americans have no future. Americans are a dead people that history is about to run over.” - Paul Crag Roberts

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:19 | 5772587 3Wishes
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You get what you wish for

shit will happen

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:11 | 5772806 post turtle saver
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"... and where they make a desert, they call it peace."

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:12 | 5773311 ersatz007
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"Peace is Our Profession"

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:38 | 5771692 Manthong
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Maybe Russia should consider supplying arms to Texas.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:47 | 5771761 TrumpXVI
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'cept Texans don't need 'em...they already got better armaments.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:32 | 5772012 SumTing Wong
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And we Americans already have Russian weapons, whether Kalashnikov or Saiga or TulAmmo or Wolf. We armed ourselves, bitchez!!!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:37 | 5773884 actionjacksonbrownie
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If you don't have anti-armor weaponry, you don't have shit.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:36 | 5772884 pot_and_kettle
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Factually ( and for the record ) .. no!

But love the spirit of your comment :-)

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:02 | 5771851 DutchR
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Cuba?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:05 | 5772498 Stumpy4516
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Texas is in danger of being spilt into north and south Texas.  Both politically and culturally.  Houston is still a hold out center (at least power wise) and Austin goes to the north.  San Antonio goes to the south as does El Paso, Corpus, Victoria.  The hill country has not been taken at this point and is the playground.  Texas and Tejas. 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:13 | 5772810 post turtle saver
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Texas could arm both sides and have plenty left over.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:09 | 5772797 Canadian Dirtlump
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Except that Syria is a sovereign country with an elected official with an cnlusive government.

 

You are either being purposely disingenuous or your IQ is too low to correct your obviously false paradigm so I'll just leave it at go fuck a homeless guy.

 

p.s. and idea that berri the bumhacker has any control here is LOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:00 | 5773229 oudinot
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"Unlike how the US ignores the Russian arms supply to Syria"

"But its OK for the US to supply arms to Israel?"

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:48 | 5771764 Payne
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Russian Miltiary base announced for Yemen  !

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:03 | 5771861 The_Prisoner
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Nah, S400 for Syria and Iran.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:17 | 5771934 Payne
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anything to hurt Israel would also work.  Stop the Neocons dead !

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:28 | 5771990 mc225
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people, it's very doubtful that putin is 'the great white hope'.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:36 | 5772030 The_Prisoner
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Only Americans fall for Hope and change.

Putin is a challenge to the Anglo-Zionist Empire, and for that, he deserves support.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:11 | 5772223 where_is the_nuke
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Gas the Kikes.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:40 | 5773126 nuke ISIS now
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Here's the Nuke, you pussy...Im envisioning a fucking nuclear air burst over your inbred empty melon brainstem...you fucking dink

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 19:52 | 5773711 Clarabell
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Now, now, let's play nice. That was a little over the top!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:44 | 5771744 Billy Sol Estes
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Will he see Montana?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:47 | 5772701 DutchR
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Tony or Hannah?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:57 | 5771810 Lumberjack
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Remember the Trans Caspian Pipeline?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:05 | 5772169 tired1
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Condie lost out, big time.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:48 | 5772704 DutchR
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So you have a supertanker in your name, right....

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:16 | 5773037 Parrotile
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A very "in your Face" demonstration of how very well-connected "we" are, isn't it.

"Government by The People, for The People"?? A very clear statement that Government is By the 0.01%, FOR the 0.01%

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:35 | 5773113 DutchR
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And they are hiring

 

I am 1 not a %

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:27 | 5773845 tired1
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You can donate blood and/or organs.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:23 | 5772834 SmittyinLA
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Worse, they could give manpads to the TeaParty 

Let America fix itself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGeT5cutXgU

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:35 | 5773106 nuke ISIS now
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That's fine The US will BURY the Russian backed cartel, and then turn Moscow into a microwave oven

 

A BIG Fuck you..to all you Russian propagndist fucksticks

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