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A Father's Personal Struggle With The Vaccine Debate
Submitted by Daniel Ameduri (aka The Dissident Dad) via Mike Krieger's Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Across these United States, a fierce vaccination debate has started to flare up, and straw-man arguments are being paraded around as the truth. Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey said he’s for a balanced approach, in which parents have some measure of choice. Unfortunately, that’s not how things are actually done in New Jersey.
The reality is that New Jersey parents have no real choice. You have to get your child vaccinated unless you can provide a certified letter from your doctor saying that a vaccine will make the child sick, or if you can prove that it is against your religion.
Governor Christie’s comment about a “measure of choice” reveals the self-importance these politicians give to themselves. Parents living in the Christie regime don’t get full choice, but he is willing to grant them some measure of choice. Perhaps the citizenry’s ability to voice its perspective would suffice for the Governor, as long as they understand that he and his bureaucrat comrades have the final say.
Senator Rand Paul defined his position clearly, saying all parents should have the right to choose. He then went on to bring up why some parents have reservations about heavily vaccinating their young children, describing stories that he’s heard where perfectly healthy children get sick after an immunization shot. In response, the mainstream media made it its mission to brand his commentary on why others may have reservations, into Rand Paul advocating against vaccinations. In fact, former Vermont Governor Howard Dean went so far as to say it should disqualify Rand from running for president.
At the core of this entire debate is the question of who is in control. Who owns your body? That is precisely why corporatist-state media and politicians have come out so passionately about this issue. The busy bodies and medical profiteers are irate that you and I think that we should actually have a choice in how we manage our own healthcare decisions.
Nine months ago, on April 18th, I was sitting in a maternity room with my 12-hour-old daughter. When a nurse came in to immunize her from hepatitis B, a disease known to be transmitted only from sex, blood transfusions, and child birth only IF the mother has the virus. Knowing my newborn daughter hadn’t had sex, hadn’t had a blood transfusion, and that my wife – who had been to about 20 doctor visits in the past 6 months – didn’t have hepatitis, I told the nurse I wouldn’t allow them to give this immunization to my baby. The nurses were quite pleasant. They had me sign a form, and that was the end of it.
Prior to the nurse leaving, I asked to see the side effects of the vaccine they had attempted to inject into a half-day-old newborn. The side effects were fever, insomnia, hypotension, drowsiness, loss of appetite and irritability. My heart was crushed after reading this, thinking of all the other babies in the hospital that would be given this shot. Here you are, hours old, you just survived delivery, which can pretty intense, and now someone wants to inject a vaccine into your body, where the side effects could make you sick. For no reason, by the way, in my daughter’s case. So the risk-reward wasn’t even in the equation – it was pretty much all risk.
From the CDC’s website:
On the decision of which vaccines to get and when, for my family it’s all about trust, and I don’t trust anything mandated by this government. I will be damned if they force a needle into any of my children. I have often pondered where I would draw the line, and that’s it. Take my money, take my property, but do not F*** with my kids.
By the way, would it surprise any reader that the former CDC Director went on to become president of Merck’s Vaccination Unit? Today, Dr. Julie Gerberding is the Vice President of Strategic Propaganda… I mean Communications for Merck.
In her title change, Merck had this to say: “Julie has been instrumental in making Merck’s vaccines more accessible.”
With the help and support of my doctor, my children are receiving some of the vaccines at the ages we feel appropriate.
I want to mention this only because this is not an anti-vaccine essay. The debate to vaccinate or not to vaccinate is a distraction from the more important issue at hand:
Who owns your body, you or the government?
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Pro tip: If the majority of the public, the government, the media, and big pharma are all pushing something en masse, run the other way...
www.TopTheNews.com
Who owns your body? Of course it's the government.
How does a "Property of god" tattoo on the bottom of the foot sound?
edit: I believe it was the vaccines that damaged/stunted the growth of a young family member. They poisoned him.
@publicus
thats a bit tough for the fragile to understand ... so, instead they might say: we have custody over it, to protect you from harming yourself ... it is all for your own good and protection ... see... doesnt sound better? everybody is happy
Might help if more people expressed their sentiments with this: Anarchy is the radical notion that other people are not your property.
http://www.cafepress.com/mf/10928265/black-tshirt-2-radical-notion_tshir...
I have a 16 month old. I have so far refused everything, as I believe those things are toxic poison that do more harm than good. He has been a very healthy baby, the only time he has been I'll has been a 24 hour stomach thing. Unfortunately my wife he starting to cave to the pressure from family and wants to stick him with polio and a couple others. It's an ongoing batltle, but at least if I lose I got her to agree to wait until he is two, which is a hell of a lot better than 2-6 months old when they want to give them all this shit.
That's your right as parent, I guess. But... Have you ever met anyone who's had polio?
Measles was one of the biggest causes of infant mortality as well.
Thank f*ck an extensive vaccination program eradicated smallpox too.
GLOBAL VACCINATION COMPLEX
THE VACCINE CONSPIRACY: U.S. Government Colludes With BIG Pharma To Poison The America People
U.S. Government and Pharma Corporations Conducting ‘Nazi Medical Experiments’ WorldwideI'm still on the fence on the vaccine issue. So I'll limit my comment to what I am seeing in this comment thread (below), which in itself is fascinating. The pattern of commenting suggests to me a concerted push by official sources to counter the anti-vaccine tendency among zh readers. Too many similar responses (they feel canned) regarding the stupidity and immorality of any who dare to question the official storyline. They are after those like myself who are on the fence, I'm sure, but the sameness of the responses is not very effective.
It is threads like this one that have the government very alarmed and considering clamping down on open discussion on the internet.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-12/feds-hold-hearing-whether-they-...‘regulate’-sites-zero-hedge
This kind of genuine person-to-person information sharing puts responsibility in the hands of individuals to make informed decisions about life-critical issues we face on a daily basis. If we as citizens make decisions which go against what the government thinks are best for us? Worse yet, if that has an impact on their ability to run their mandatory (mandatory for the general population to subscribe to, e.g. ObamaCare) profit centers to prop up what remains of "production" in this country?
Open, honest discussion. Keep it up, people. As long as we're allowed.
+100
Information is power. Cui bono? and Let the buyer beware.
Sovereignty over our own body is the bottom line of freedom. Habeas corpus - guarantee against any detention that is forbidden by law.
I delayed my daughter's vaccines and already decided that she will not be getting the HPV vaccine.
I think that the flu vaccine is crap. May or may not be the right strain, getting it every year may make you more suceptible, why have mercury in a vaccine that is made new every year?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvXIqUyOdK4
I'm personally anti-abortion. Don't plan to have one. OTOH I do believe in a woman's ownership of her body, so requiring medical justification (life of the mother/quality of life of the child) at 20 weeks is a reasonable compromise.
Vaccines? The only reasonable requirement for school attendance IMO is to require that children be vaccinated for disease likely to be spread in the normal course of the school day AND liable to lead to death or significant long term injury. Said vaccines might be required to be given prior to the child starting school. So no mandatory needles in children under 2, and no mandatory vaccine for disease transferred via sex or blood to blood transmission.
My personal thanks to the one or two comments on this page that show a capacity for rational thought. It's amazing how so many individuals who can form sensible commentary on financial issues cannot think at all when it comes to this ridiculous vaccination issue. And it's a shame that distrust of the government has risen to the level where it is putting the public health at risk. The post should be titled, "A Father's Personal Struggle with Being A Moron." The warnings that appear on vaccine labeling are not materially different from the warnings on a box of Tylenol. They address the remote possibility of mild side effects. Vary rarely, someone might be sickened by a vaccine, but without vaccinations, millions would likely have died horrible deaths.
The solution for the fearful is to take reasonable steps to confirm the efficacy and safety of the vaccine. Then, by all means, use them. When the general welfare is concerned, intercession by the state is explicitly Constitutional, and is at the heart of the real and proper purpose of government, rampant corruption notwithstanding.
The government, in any event, will not be forcing you and yours to submit to an injection. But it will bar your at-risk children from public schools. Private schools will follow suit, naturally. And if they delay in doing so, litigation will properly result.
I understand that a concerted effort has been made by corporate neo-fascists to dumb all of you down, but if you let it go too far, really you risk becoming incapable of comprehending the sundry causes of your own miserable distress.
Barbaric, Insane and Fraudulent
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http://thehealthcoach1.com/?p=3796
Good for you sir. I'm as pro-liberty, anti-control as anyone but holding back vaccines from your children to spite the government is the epitome of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. As a parent you are in charge of the well-being of your child. You have to make good decisions about his/her welfare. Holding back a vaccine for known deadly diseases because of possible side effects completely goes against that charge. This is tough for me because I'd stand on a line to prevent the government from forcibly vaccinating, but I'd also stand on a line to prevent un-vaccinated children from entering public school. I'm not sure where the line is in my own mind, but I don't want to live in a society where modern medicine irradicates deadly diseases just to have one idiot listen to Jim Carey and end up passing around something as dangerous as polio/smallpox/etc. through his children. That's just stupid. Do some real (peer-reviewed, journal article) research on the numbers of people with issues from vaccines and the method of testing and make the right choice. Don't follow the hype, and don't get your medical information from gun blogs. Like the above poster said, if you want to lobby for tougher safety checks on vaccines...I'll fully support you. But don't cry government control while endangering the lives of your children and the rest of public.
Commense with the down-votes...
On par with my sentiment. Thank you for posting
(if you only receive 1 upote you know who it's from)
double post.
but I'd also stand on a line to prevent un-vaccinated children from entering public school.
But if your child is vaccinated then why worry about an un-vaccinated child being at the same school?
Vaccinations are 95% effective, so you stand 5 chances in 100 of still contracting the disease. And there are children who are allergic to the vaccines - do you ban these children from school?
So to protect the 5 chances in 100, and the allergic, the could-be-vaccinated-but-the-parents-wont-vaccinate them should be home-schooled. If you really believe vaccinations will harm your child, home-schooling shouldn't be an issue as there are other reasons to home-school your child that such a thoughtful parent will be concerned with.
But there are a number of parents who don't vaccinate their child because they can't be bothered to take the kid to the doctor. This includes the freakin' broad gabbing on the cellphone who gave me the finger when I honked at her because she pushed her kids pram out in front of my car (she was hidden between two cars) - God forbid I ruin her cell conversation when I was waiting for her to kill me for nearly running her baby over.
Read, your children's lives depend on it (naw, they don't bring it up on mainstream propaganda 'news' ) -
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/vaccinegate/
CNN Anchor Cuomo: 'Our Rights Do Not Come From God'
http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/curtis-kalin/cnn-anchor-our-rights-do-not-co...
Your rights come from the gods on earth [according to them].
The heart of everything.
We are re-fighting the exact same intellectual ground as was fought by those who signed the Declaration of Independence. In human history, there have always been those who believe governmental authority is to be respected above all, and those who believe that individuals - as the only ones who can truly know their own relationship to the Higher Order - must be free to act within their own conscience. The success of the early U.S. suggests that the more individual-freedom-minded philosophy is the far more effective way to organize a society for productive activity.
Those who value this perspective, however, realize that Jefferson was not exaggerating when he made his comment about watering the tree of liberty with blood. Human societies have always generated a percentage of people who work their asses off to dominate and suppress their fellow man. The only way to return to a state of relative freedom for the majority (so they can live their lives hindered only very minimally by outside interference) is periodically to directly confront the power-hoarders. I don't see that changing any time soon.
This is not uncommon. I'm on the margins of Gen X/Millenials or whatever, and the general consensus amongst my peers is that rights come from the government. Not protected by the government, actually granted by it. It's just accepted as axiomatic. These are the people that are entering middle leadership positions and are working their way up...
@Chump - your peers were never taught about the primacy of Freedom or about Natural Law. They were never taught real American history or critical thinking skills. Neither were their parents, who likely learned well the 'lessons' of consumerism and conformity. It's up to you and all of us to challenge their belief system.
I used to debate, but now I just say, "if rights can be granted they can be removed at will." Or similarly, "if rights can be granted then we have no reason to condemn NK for anything, as its citizens have no rights under their government's legal framework."
I'm running out of energy here and I need to focus my efforts on protecting my family.
The link to the 1271 page GSK report is on the HIN website (now available on the Internet).
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Also, im sure some of you know, Jon Rappoport has done extensive research on this topic and has a lot of informative and researched blogs (with links) on his site for information.
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Feb 10/15: 'If truth were the objective of news, you would see reasoned debates between pro and anti-vax proponents on major networks—-but that’s a joke because no reasoned debates are permitted on any sensitive subject.
When it comes to vaccines, major media are all about “what doctors tell us.” If I may be so bold, who cares what doctors say?
Who cares?
Why are doctors a privileged class? Why do they get a free pass?
Let’s see…oh yes, it’s because government and drug companies back them up. The last time I looked, this has nothing to do with the truth.'
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/02/10/what-sharyl-attkisson-told...
Leverage, my friend - leverage. Why is the doctor on the pedastal? Because he is the modern day replacement for the shaman and the apothecary. It's in our very DNA to trust the shaman and the apothecary. One is the guide, the other is the healer. Often times, he is one and the same. Since we no longer interact with the real, fruitful world nor have any mysticism, the modern day shaman/apothecary has only magic pills to offer, and we take them without question. The invisible play behind the curtain is the authority of the modern day doctor's shamanic position and bigPharma's apothecary position being granted by the gubbamin. Total perversion. Total evil.
Now add in the editor, reporter or news anchor person on the primetime news cast to drive it home...3 shamans; triple punch combo
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Shock Doctrine
or both?
Thank you for this link. Wow....just wow. Clearly, we are being lied to.
MEASLES MANIA: How the most anti-vaccine county in California got punked
My freedom to contract a preventable infectious disease ends when it infects somebody else.
Only those who are ill can infect others, but vaccines are given to the healthy. Your argument to force-treat the healthy is moot.
You can't really believe this, can you?
That's like saying don't worry about wearing a seatbelt until the moment before you get into an accident.
Spare me the old silly comparison. A seatbelt protects the wearer, not others. It's a personal choice. Seatbelts can be unfastened anytime but you can't "unvaccinate" yourself or your kids.
You plan on unfastening your kids measles once he gets it? Or are you going to vacinate him when he is already sick?
Good luck with that.
You plan on unfastening paralysis, autism, autoimmune disease or death caused to your previously healthy kids by your "precautionary measure"? Vaccination is a one-size-fit-all invasive treatment that bypasses due diagnosos and prognosis, it's sheer medical malpractice. Proper nutrition is the way to prevent childhood disease. Measles in healthy kids is a rash and a temperature, for chrissake! over in 3-4 day. Don't buy into the industry-induced hysteria!
as a seller of poisons I will admit a vaccine is not easy to produce, and can become nasty if done poorly, but thank our .gov for providing the lowest cost provider for us all..yep cheap vaccines what could go wrong?
the producers by the way cannot be held liable for poor outcomes, well because they fear law suits, one would ask why? but our represenatives in .gov are not so inclined and have given them protection under law.
perhaps some of us fear them, for good reasons..I have had military vaccinations and many more after, but sometimes I do wonder if, who ever made that batch i got had a bad day or just did not give a fuck..there is no good answer to this problem much like should we even vote on a diebold machine, both could get you dead if you get me.
One of the biggest blind spots humans possess is the inability to connect cause and effect. It is true in economics as well as health and just about everything else, we never saw it coming. We are shocked when we come down with cancer after spending a lifetime of self abuse...things we are constantly warned of and in most cases we automatically KNOW BETTER and still do it. Vaccines we receive as children can have long range effects that no one unless they are looking for it would ever recognize. And who cares? Who wants to know, that can afford to really research it? And if they did, who would believe them? Do we think that any large corporation will just set there and be taken to the cleaners if all they need do is spread a few lies and counter attacks.
Our only defense is our brain, our ability to think and reason. And our greatest weakness is the willingness to believe in higher powers. It is an eternal conflict. We cannot know it all but we also know that ultimately we cannot trust blindly, especially group think that has lead humanity to the cliffs of self destruction many times before. To question is ALL.
I'm missing something here.
How is my failure to immunize putting others at risk unless THEY have not been immunized? I'm no scientist but I don't get it. Are we going to the argument that those who become sick burden the healthcare system, like eating twinkies does?
This whole thing really pisses me off that somehow because our government has sought to protect us (against many of our wills) and that cost of protection has been placed on the public's back, that ANYTHING we do as individuals that could possibly come back as an expense to the "public" becomes the business of government. We see this level of corruption of individual rights on all levels now. Regulation of interstate commerce has come to mean that any financial transaction and anything that can effect a financial transaction are the explicit business of the government. They claim power over EVERY FUCKING THING, every action, every transaction, every thought it would seem.
There is only one damned thing that as a citizen i demand from my government an that is THE FUCKING TRUTH
"There is only one damned thing that as a citizen i demand from my government an that is THE FUCKING TRUTH"
You must be very disappointed, since the government always lies.
Just in response to your first paragraph...
It would be fantastic for you if everyone in the public was immunized against smallpox except for you. That would be great because you wouldn't be exposed and you wouldn't need to vaccinate. The crux of the problem is everyone would love that. You are not a special butterfly. You are not a unique flower who gets special treatment. The public in general must vaccinate to keep the incidence of diseases low. This approach also provides a safety net for the small number of people who aren't vaccinated for some reason of special risk. If all the healthy kids in a school are vaccinated, that buffer should protect the 2 kids with a problem such that they could not take the vaccine. If too many kids are born to stupid parents who listen to Jenny Mcarthy for medical advice the buffer system breaks down and we'll see thousands of children dying from preventable diseases.
You're joking right? A seatbelt does protect others. A 150-200lb object rolling around in a car during an accident causes serious damages to others.
"In a crash, unbuckled passengers can become a projectile and increase the risk of hurting or kills others in the car by 40%"
http://ut.zerofatalities.com/prevention_buckling.php
False argument, thanks for playing.
Yea this is not even a question. As far as the law is concerned everything on the planet is the property of the US government, that goes double for anything existing in the borders of or registered in or to a person from or in the USSA. Subject to any fines, fees, sanctions, taxes, medication or extermination they see fit at their sole discretion.
See: All the criminal drug laws ever, Obamacare, the FDA, TSA, NSA, DHS, FBI, CIA,and the various departments; DMV, DOEn, DOEd DOL, DOLA, DOJ, DOS, DOHHS, DOHUD, DOD, DOA, DOI, DOT, DOtT, DOVA, DOC. and that's not even all the ones that are publicly disclosed! See: http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml
You may be thinking to yourself right about now "Self, that sure is a lot of departments and whatnot, how am I supposed to even know what is legal?" Well here is where the fun starts, basically everything is illegal! There literally hundreds of thousands of laws. Its not possible to know them all, even the people tasked with enforcing them don't know whats legal and whats not so if you piss them off they will just take you away and figure out later what laws you broke.
Fun fact: there were over 40,000 laws past last year in the US. Yes forty thousand new laws passed in 2014 and you better damn well obey every single one, or else!
Its a very complex and difficult job to protect us all.
I know I feel so much safer having you point just how very much they CARE about me.
They really do care, don't they??????
Lets let the dumbasses decide our health. Here we have treatments to prevent disease and yet the knuckle dragger's are worried about boogiemen. Fucking morons, keep your nasty kids away from mine.
Of course you have a choice. Believe and do as we say or off to the Camps with you.
You always have a choice.
Might not like the consequences... in fact you might die... but you have a choice.
Run....
Informed consent is at the core of medical ethics.
Forced vaccination is unethical.
There is suppressed data from the CDC being presented to Congress by a whistleblower, linking thimerosal MMR vaccine to autism.
Julie Geberding, when at CDC helped suppress information about Merck's MMR vaccine, which was unfavorable (mainly to mumps component).
The vaccine companies fear bankruptcy from the lawsuits which would be filed if they failed to contain this.
I am going to weigh in on this because I personally took on the Albertan government about 2007/2008 and they got their ass handed to them, and this is how I did it.
Propagandists for big pharma were peddling HPV vaccines like it cured all of man kinds ills, and had zero side effects. Well their exact wording was 'virtually none.'
The reality was Judicial Watch had to sue the federal government just to get the VAERS data over the HPV vaccine - and when they did get it they were shocked to find there were over 7,000 severe cases of auto immune disorders, girls ending up paralyzed, girls ending up having seizures (all kinds of crap).
So, I copied the 500 page PDF and forwarded it to every constitutional lawyer I cound find in a cursory search in Canada. Then I forwarded it to the Minister of Health and said basically that if you force vaccinate girls by making the vaccine mandatory your government will be sued to eternity as you are force vaccinating people IN LIGHT of the fact you have full knowledge of the severe side effects - that are prolific!
I received a tersely worded email two weeks later 'We will never make the vaccine mandatory.'
I replied 'Thank you, that is all I ask.'
The media spinsters and the news articles magically disappeared after that.
Alex Jones just had a head scientist on for one of the main vaccines (MMR?) I believe it was who out of guilt wanted to come clean that the vaccine they were trying to peddle to the public did <not> work at all, and they had to add animal anitgens (antibiotics) in order to get it to pass government requirements. In other words - THEY TOTALLY LIED TO THE PUBLIC AND FALSIFIED THE DATA.
So you spineless pathetic people that get all hysterical dribbling little tears and gob s of slob down your chin because your fanatical about having mother government vaccinate you maybe better wipe away those tears put on your big boy pants and maybe do a little research before you continue your mindless cheerleading parade of garbage.
If anyone wants to know what will boost your immune system greatly it's simply increasing Vitamin D to 800 iu a day or more (which is backed by a panel of doctors at the Vitamin D council that want to raise the RDA limit) and taking a good healthy dosage of selenium - which is listed in dozens of pubmed studies for it's ability to increase the immune system more than antibiotics.
And I WELCOME any one to tell me that Selenium does not work because you will get your nuts handed to you on a platter, as the studies are all there, I will wait for your bait before I drop the links to the studies - so in otherwords STFU!
Enough!
In the Greater Toronto Area, the local and surrounding media is bombarding the local masses with vaccine propaganda from newspaper articles, tv news casts, national tv broadcasts, editorial cartoons, breaking news, special edition news, etc...for 6 measles cases in the GTA. You would think the Black Death hit the fuckin CN Tower
I hope none of your offspring or children in your family have to suffer with measles and its potential long term effects....
No one does in the US. 0 deaths from measles, 140 from the measles vaccine. Go peddle your witchcraft remedies in Africa, OK?
And the Dow is at near all-time highs, so even thing must be fine.
I hate to break it to you, but even a single case of small pox in Toronto would be a rather big deal. Not becuae one death is a big deal, but becuase of what might happen next. Sometimes the trend is more important than the current status.
I Posted this on another thread
In my job I have run 1000s of HPVs. The vast majority of strains are harmless. A few strains have been linked to cervical cancer however only less than 10 % of women with these strains will get the cancer after more than 20 years from exposure. I have seen many women with cervical cancer but I have noticed they also have other risk factors for cancer. Obesity, diabetes, poor life style choices. If would be of more value if there were studies why these women got the cancer vs vaccinating blindly a population introducing risk of other side effects. This is simply human experimentation and they will discover a lot from those who blindly submit their arms for this shot.
Also I have noticed over the years the prime cancer causing strains I saw were 16 and 18. Now because of this shot, I don't see them too often but all the other cancer linked strains are now filling in the void.
Please people, wake up. I'm in the belly of the beast and am observing the purposeful destruction of our health by mad psychopaths. Educate yourself and beware.
I told my daughters NEVER under any circumstance get this shot which in today's world, makes me a terrorist.
Miffed
And for the older people I posted this on the same thread:
In the first evidence of a natural intervention triggering stem cell-based regeneration of an organ or system, a study in the June 5 issue of the Cell Press journal Cell Stem Cell shows that cycles of prolonged fasting not only protect against immune system damage -- a major side effect of chemotherapy -- but also induce immune system regeneration, shifting stem cells from a dormant state to a state of self-renewal.
In both mice and a Phase 1 human clinical trial, long periods of not eating significantly lowered white blood cell counts. In mice, fasting cycles then "flipped a regenerative switch": changing the signaling pathways for hematopoietic stem cells, which are responsible for the generation of blood and immune systems, the research showed.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/140605141507.htm
Miffed,
You're a breath of fresh air and a good soul, I always look forward to your comments.
If you have time, could you address the issue of breastfeeding? It seems to be contraversial in some circles, bur rhen we live in really weird times.
Right on, cnmcdee! Excellent post. One quick comment on the Vit D...Did you mean 800IU or did you intend 8000? I personally run with 8000IU and swear by it. You're right on the money with the Selenium as well!
I'm guessing cnmcdee did in fact mean 8000. I use 5000 per day, and could not agree more on the selenium. It's little known facts such as these that more folks need to try.
There is good reason they add selenium to animal feed stocks for cripes sakes, because it works.
cnmcdee, can you please post a link to the PDF? Thanks, and great post.
Only in a backwards hick nation would this be a national debate. You get your kid vaccinated for all the important diseases which could kill them or make others in your community sick.
File this away with creationism, abortions, and a bunch of other shit non halfwit nations don't give a fuck about.
People who don't get their kids vaccinated are like people who don't get their pets neutered/spade. (wreckless, irresponsible, and selfish)
The fact it's a "personal struggle" proves they are stupid too.
The only hillbilly here is you. Back up your TV generated opinions with some facts.
I will take our TV generated opinions that the world is round and not flat. And that god didn't create the earth in 6 days and the earth is 40,000 years old.
Funny how the only one talking about those things are you two.
Sort of like you just walked into the crowd of educated folks of science and math with your art degree and tried to convince them how stupid they were. Oops, that's probably what both of you just did.
I think somehow these two trolls got redirected from the usless rag Huff Po(s)
Dear Mr. Ignoramus, the vaccines are part of a eugenics operation. They are meant to weaken your immune system, brain damage people (especially kids), provide a medium to infect victims with live cancer viruses that kill them years later, and so much more. There are over 100 million people already dead from the Simian Cancer Virus, SV40 laced polio vaccines. That operation killed more people than Stalin and Hitler combined. The government says it was an 'accident.' The H1N1 vaccine in 2008 was laced with live cancer virus which was reported by the German Government.
It's part of a plan to dumb you down and soft kill you... say how many times have you been vaccinated?
And let me tell you as a group nobody is more brainwashed on this than the M.D.s. The A.M.A. was started by and is controlled by the Rockefellers, the greatest American criminals of all time.
Here it is in your face -
Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.” – The Impact of Science on Society (1953) by Bertrand Russell, p.50
1. which could kill them
Their informed choice.
2. or make others in your community sick
If the vaccines do indeed work as intended, then the only ones in your communiy who risk infection are the other unvaccinated people -see answer 1.
Just as with firearms -you are free to choose to protect yourself (or not) as you wish -or you are property, 'free' to obey.
Yes, the government loves you as much as it loved the blacks at Tuskegee.
Keep watching MSM and reading your local news paper. You will go far in this life. De-sexing animals is not healthy for the animal. Sterilization is a better and much healthier path.
http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/09/30/neut...
Oh, since you trust vaccinations that means you MUST also trust your life to your government & pharmaceutical companies.
exactly, so lets all cut the foreskin of our 12-hour old newborns too.
oh wait, we already do.
Having been one of those newborns, and not for religious reasons, I'm of the belief that being circumcised is a terrist act! Also, my mother suffered terrible morning sickness with all of us, but I came along at the same time as thalidomide. My mother was dying to take it. My father, luckily for me, would not let her.
Not my kid. Genital mutilation is genital mutilation no matter how you slice it.
That's why I refuse to wear a seatbelt - screw them!
Plus I manage pretty well in my wheelchair with my support monkey to get me stuff....
If the lying mass-murdering psychopaths in the USG recommend vaccines, then that's good enough for me.
They also recommend: wearing a seat belt, brushing your teeth twice a day, eating a balanced diet of fresh food with lots of fruit and veg, saving for retirement, diversifying your portfolio, etc.
Do you do any of those things?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/02/no_author/big-pharmas-media-freak-out/
“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic.”
Dresden James
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg
Silent Epidemic: The Untold Story of Vaccines
Yep, you're right. They recommend brushing with a known carcinogen Flouride.
You might want to check that Food Pyramid again. Yep, eat lots of grains and such. They gave us High Fructose Corn Syrup, cheap seed oils, and trans fats all of which were when introduced sold to us as better and healthier than the original. This is a government that actually recommends that people with type 1 AND type 2 diabetes eat more carb laced food products. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that boosts insulin reaction and well...
Diversify your portfolio. Yep. Worked real well for my parents who as late seventy year old retirees have been thrashed TWICE in the last 20 years by the bubble pumping Fed scam and likely will get hit again when the current Fed induced crap goes to hell.
The also recommend the flu vaccine. It is mandated to some industries. IT IS ADMITTEDLY A GUESS AS TO WHAT STRAIN IS INCLUDED EVERY YEAR. If you want some actual facts look at the math. Flu deaths (epidemiology is a bitch) are pretty much the same every year. Throw in the bird flu scare, swine flu scare, etc. Persoanlly I am flu free for over 30 years. Wouldn't touch a flu shot if you paid me. And I work in an industry with constant exposure to lots of things.
Here's a link on diet.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2946617/Butter-ISN-T-bad-Major...
You can go on ZH and throw around all the snarky crap you want but science doesn't give a shit about your feelings and your faith. Science is about facts. Math is not up for debate. I giess you believe/believed all the Global Warming bullshit as well? That was anothet completely fabricated pile of bullshit by the same folks who suugest seatbelts are a good idea.
"father''s personal struggle" ?
Do the damned research for yourself ! Be sure not to miss the guy (William Thompson from the CDC) who admitted they know vaccines caused autism.
Then Man Up & do what it takes to defend your children, you pathetic clown.
I own my body, and I will fucking kill you if you try to stick me with your Glaxo-Merck juice.
Damn close to the message I delivered to my kids' pediatrician..."I have final authority over my children's safety and anyone that attempts to jab them with one of those sticks of death juice won't see tomorrow!"
Pathetic we have to resort to these measures when the data clearly demonstrates that vaccines are worthless at best, having not a damned thing to do with the eradication of any of these "scary" diseases!
http://truth11.com/2012/11/08/real-history-vaccines-not-responsible-for-...
Do you believe that child mortality is less todays than it was pre-vaccines?
If so, how do you explain the difference?
Ever been to a graveyard from the 1800's or early 1900's? 60% of the graves are for children under 10 years old.
If you had read the link in the comment that you were responding to, it directly answers your question. The difference (they state) is that over the same time period, there were radical improvements in water quality and sanitation for the general population.
I'm not qualified to comment on the accuracy of the data they're citing, but you should read what you're responding to before you respond.
Barndoor
And the vast majority of those childhood deaths were due to poor sanitation living conditions especially for people living in large cities. Most of that was solved by treating drinking water and modern sewage systems and not vaccines. If one looks at a graph in the drop of communicable deceases the biggest drop came BEFORE vaccinations were implemented on a large scale.
To believe that any of these choices are made because thay only want to help, to take care of us, would seem misguided given how many choices are done statistically based upon profit. Be it the replacement of an ignition switch or vaccines, there is no choice that does not put death against dollars. I'm sure there are many dedicated scientists devoting their labors to great causes. What I am not sure about is if our government, in league with pharma, are really as interested in our health and happiness as they are in profit, meaning,... are all of these vaccines and drugs made with safety first or profits, are the processes used the fastest and cheapest for mass production? Do they consider how many might dies or suffer side effects and make a cost consideration in those calaculations? We know they do, as any business would, as there is no absolute. What we need is honesty and transparency, which we do not have. As with any other government backed policy, once it becomes policy, the debate is over and anyone who questions is retarded, a religious freak, or a simple terrorist seeking government overthrow.
The real issue is power and if that power will allow itself to be challenged. IT DOES NOT
It's heartwarming to know that Christie... the man who worked essentially as Bernie Madoff's lobbyist, is pro choice when it comes to vaccines.
The state is father. The state is mother. Now do as your told and we might let you continue your useless eating another day. That is all.
The state believes it is God
Nice attitude for a buncha atheists.
There is no god ... only lord Obama.
People believe the state is god. This includes many atheists. In fact statism is the most prevalent religion in the world.
@knukles - naw, they're not atheists. But, their god has horns and a tail.
Really.
f***ing keyboard.
Any first year actuary with mortality tables can tell you that the Polio vaccine didn't rid us of Polio.
Just ask your self one question, why will no insurance company in the world under right a vaccine?
Because they'll lose money....Period.
I can't believe in this day and age that we are still breathing life into this meme.
I can't believe in this day and age that we are still breathing life into this meme.
Profits are rarely dependent on the truth in Mr. Yellen's bizzaro economy.
As a physician I have fewer problems with certain injectables than others here express. I have seen many times how patients interpret events in ways that are probably not entirely correct. Some people do this often and see a cause behind every event even when some are just random.
The governments problem is that it has lied about so much that even those of us who might defend some aspects of what it wants are reluctant becaue it has become evil.
You put others at risk by not vaccinating ... you are basically an asshole. Of course you would have to understand something about the spread of diseases and how you need a certain vaccination rate to block out the spread ... not that it is that hard to read about ... just sounds like you want to be a free rider ... like I said ... an asshole
You sir do not understand your own hypocracy. If the vaccines actually worked then each person that gets vaccinated would be protected. End of story. They came up with the herd nonsense because the vaccines are only partly effective and even then only for a finite duration. Those who are vaccinated do not get the same immunity that I got as a child by contracting many of the diseases that are now vaccinated for. Those who accept vaccination are not as protected as the drug companies claim. It's all about the money for big pharma and control for the gov.
ignorant much?
Germs adapt, the vaccine that has been essentially the same churned out for decades doesn't.
Most of those people getting measles already had the vaccine. Also, why do you need to get booster shots? If your body knows how to fight off a disease, why does it need to be told how to again?
A 12 hour old child doesn't even have a properly functioning immune system, how is the vaccine even going to take hold. A newborn child shouldn't receive any medication.
I'll tell you what it is about, padding the hospital bill and erasing ten points of IQ from the baby. Do you think the massive rise in autism and hyperactivity disorders just happened?
Simple drugs with no side effects are now being declared unsafe for children because they cost almost nothing and have been over the counter for decades. Replaced with dangerous designer prescription drugs.
Our modern medicine is the most criminal and unethical business in the world outside banking. Truthfully they are two sides of the same coin. Both exist to extort as much money as possible.
Do you ever think the rise in autism is because we can diagnose it better and we can better help the kids with Autism, instead of what probably usually use to happen back in the day?
No that is the out of the relm of your possibilites right?
Why would we have gotten any better at diagnosing autism? Have we somehow developed enhanced senses in the past 50 years? Anyone can spot someone with a mental disorder. Humans have had this innate defense mechanism for a long time.
Do you know how many mild cases of autism exisit? There autistic people functioning in our soceity and it would be very hard pressed to point them out, especially with all the tin hats walking around. Not every autistic person is the RAIN MAN!
Also, every think of all the plastics the baby boomers injested? or the pollution that they were exposed too? But no it is easy to blame the drugs, because we can 'change' that right. The human species has altered itself by exposing itself to a multitude of factors that can't be quantified in a period of 20 years. Heck we are still polluting our bodies with a host of other chemicals in our drinking water, because people don't discard their drugs properly. Every glass of water now has a dose of the famous blue pill!
When I was in elemetary school.from 1964 to 1971 I remember maybe a dozen kids that were in a segregated special ed situation. Now it is huge.
I suspect environmental changes are.the root cause.
Partly that ( perhaps mostly) and what lazysunday said. We're keen to spot the more minor differences now.
My neighbor went through those special ed classes, having been diagnsed as 'retarded'. Turns out that she was hard of hearig.
If you knew the first thing about autism, the actual rise in diagnoses and the intricacies of assigning an autism-spectrum diagnosis, you would realize the incredible stupidity of that statement. But instead, you shoot off your mouth with a tiny fraction of the information necessary to make an intelligent statement and confirm yourself the fool that you are!
The medical system makes even the most (purported) depraved elements of the holocaust look like the Teddy Bear's picnic in comparison.
Which holocaust or are you referring to the generally accepted holohoax?
- Baby comes out of womb.
- Baby is shot with ungodly amounts of mercury.
- Baby is poisoned and goes into shock.
- By the time the baby comes out of shock, some circuits got fried inside and the baby talks funny or doesn't talk and does all kinds of OCD things, or is plain retarded.
What the fuck do people expect? Bright, chirpy, young ones?
I think vaccinations are necessary, but should be delayed until 3 years old.
A parent should feel confident that all the brain cells are.aligned and taken root in their kid before they allow vaccinations. Of course I think mom and dad always rule supreme in that decision.
@billywilson - are you opened minded enough to educate yourself on the subject, or not? Here's a link to start with -
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/vaccinegate/
Wow you are ignorant.
You need herd immunity to protect the fucking 8%-10% of the population who can't be vaccinated due to illness, allergy or compromised immunity.
You need herd immunity to protect the elderly as their own immune systems weaken (and we are living longer so this issue is growing).
Your fucking ignorance isn't coming at the expense of those of us who are smart enough to wiegh the risks and vaccinate. It's putting at great risk the most vulnerable members of our society.
You smugly say "End of Story." Well the end of this story is that selfish ignorant c*nts like yourself are happy to smugly draw ignorant inferences regarding vaccines - while what you really are doing is putting helpless little sick babies, sick kids with cancer, adults with cancer, anyone with a compromised immune system and the elderly at risk.
That enough of the population for you to thumb your nose at you selfish prik?
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You put others at risk for being an ignorant a-hole. Thats not illegal either.
Calling him a 'free rider' implies that getting vaccinated has a cost. So you are accepting the argument that vaccines are risky. If they were riskless, then there would be no such thing as a free rider.
Fact: the US government decided to stop the small-pox vaccine in the late 70s when it realised that the number of complications (deaths and brain damage) exceeded the number of cases of small pox. This is exactly the same argument that the people are making for themselves. They are deeming that it is more risky to get the vaccine than it is to take the chance of getting the diseases. So if it was good enough for the government to act on this argument, then it is good enough for free people to act on it.
If you or your kids are weak then get the vaccine. But if you feel your kids are strong, and they get ample nutrition and sanitation then it actually reaches a point where it would be abusive to expose them to risky vaccines.
Mandatory vaccines are just like any mandatory medical procedure. The strong simply don't need medical intervention. The weak and scared need this. And they wish to force the strong down to their level. sorry, not going to happen.
smallpox was eradicated in the us by 1972, which is why the vaccinations stopped. Still on the market till 1983 for anyone traveling to a high risk area... global eradication by 1980.
In 1967 it was killing 2~3 million a year, 13 years later, it's gone entirely. This aint fucking rocket science.
In the United States, from 1843 to 1855 first Massachusetts, and then other states required smallpox vaccination. Although some disliked these measures, coordinated efforts against smallpox went on, and the disease continued to diminish in the wealthy countries. By 1897, smallpox had largely been eliminated from the United States.
Oops, vaccines work... dumbass.
Look up vaccine smallpox charts.
Someones telling porkies.
i swear, if you follow it, it all goes back
to adherence to a corrupt and stupid monetary
arrangement called law. insanity is in the drivers seat
man.
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anyway poems^tm
and u thought usury stopped at nickles and dimes?
think again.
Perhaps the larger issue is TRUST
Do you believe gov and pharma when they say a vaccine is safe?
Vaccines are a GOOD and proven concept; they prevent many diseases BUT it seems that there have been problems with a SMALL number of vaccines which may cause problems. It is also possible that there may be genectic susceptibility to certain things in vaccines.
Not an easy issue but given the past failures of gov and pharma to be honest and forthright, not surprising that some are adamently against them. Personally... I think the risks are higher NOT being vaccinated for some diseases.
Drugs like Advair are supposed to help people breathe better, yet for some reason if a person stops using them their condition becomes worse than it was before the drug was administered.
Many drugs have severe side effects that are swept under the rug and then millions are set aside to settle future claims once the patents run out and the drug company moves on to the next. They claim the long term side effects were unforseen and the new drug addresses the shortcomings of the old drug.
The worst thing you can do is listen to your doctor and take any prescription drug created in the last 20 years. Lipitor is so great that it gives you diabetes and wrecks muscle tissue. It is supposed to lower cholesterol, but ends up damaging your body far more than the cholesterol ever would.
It isn't until you really spend time with the people that run the medical show in the USA that you realize they have no intention of helping people or making them healthy. There is no money in health, but there is billions upon billions to be made by making people sick.
So you will pick and choose what drugs you want to pick on.....tell me one simple reason then why we are living longer and better lives into our mid 70's and beyond?
We no longer sleep with fleas?? When we shit, it goes somewhere besides out the back door??
Oh so that is the only reason? Modern medicine has nothing to do with it? its all hygenie, well next time that guy on the subway finishes scracthing his ass then touching every thing in site, let him know you will die much sooner.
The reason we live longer has nothing to do with medicine. Medicine actually causes millions of pre-mature deaths world-wide. I worked in a hospital and personally witnessed some of these deaths.
The reason we live longer is due to hygiene, nutrition, and reduced occupational hazards. Men no longer die in droves on unsafe worksites.
One thing that modern medicine helps with is reducing maternal birthing deaths. But this is not some magic potion affair.
If you are stupid enough to think that drugs trump nutrition and hygiene then take as many drugs as you want. Noone is going to stop you, just don't expect everyone else to be so stupid.
Our hygenie is not better, everything we touch is infested with feces, urine and sperm. There are so many disgusting people who don't wash there hands after the above.
Nutrition? So big pharma is worse the GMO companies? or MCD's? So it isn't my illusion that 1/3 americans are obese?
I never said pump yourself with drugs, but I am not naive to think Modern Medicine hasn't helped greatly. Look my Grand Father lived till 104 without any body pains, or drugs and died a natural death. But one of his sons had a massive heart attack at 21, in which he was clinically dead but the Dr's revived him and he is 58 today.
I'd bet those have bigger influences than most vaccines put together. Also, medical treatment for acute conditions is vastly improved as well as transpo to the hospital. But the biggest reason that the average lifespan has increased over the last 100 yrs is a precipitous decline in infant mortality. A lot of people dying before age 1 tends to scew the statistics.
But how can that be? I thought the vaccines were going to kill the children? Oh fuck the argument doesn't work eh?
So you have the statisical analysis at hand that shows vaccines are the overwhelming reason that infant mortality is down. You do realize that the majority of todays vaccines weren't around 30 yrs. ago? Infant mortality dropped for the same reasons I mentioned. Better acute/ emergency response and treatment. Transplants. Premature child treatment and on and on.
I am not saying vaccines hurt or help infant mortaility. I think Modern Medicine has brought that lower to a multitude of reasons (early detection of problems during pregnancy, abortions etc)....but you anti-vax guys are saying it kills kids, but the facts def prove otherwise.
Even the transplant babies - are injected with a host of drugs....but those are fine?
Actually you did say that. Or inferred it. 2 posts above.
Livia Augustus died at age 87. Her husband Augustus died at age 75. Both lived at a time without modern medicine or vaccines. But, they had wealth, privilege and lived a more sanitary life with better nutrition than the average man at that time. So, no we are not living longer considering what modern technology should bring us.
The average 70+ person I see today is very sick, on multiple medications and in in and out of the hospital frequently. I guess it depends on what you mean by " better lives"
Miffed;-)
The increase in lifespan is a little misleading. It was predominatly due to better sanitation and better food(refridgeration etc). Cleaner living environment.
Also fewer deaths during childbirth. In 1900 if you already made it to 25-30 years old(got thru birthing, not killed in a war) you had about the same lifespan as today.
If you made it to 30 that is.
my friend they have slowly been changing the laws so you cannot sue drug companies . eventually the full legislative package will yield and it will illegal to sue drug companies for FDA approved drugs and a special FDAIC insurance fund will use tax dollars to compensate victims for the crimes of drug companies.
That is the USA, what about the rest of the world? Oh let me guess they will block from getting sued from the whole world?
Who's talking about suing them?
They are trying to neuter you, or kill you.
There is no justice, just retribution.
It's the same logic the government uses to ban psychedelics and other "strong" medicines.
It's not too hard to figure out why they do. Psychedelics are banned because no hierarchical social institution or religion would stand up to the harsh scrutiny of the mind in an altered form of consciousness.
Psychedelic drugs only benefit is to awaken one to the possibility of alternate viewpoints concerning reality. It can spur one to question what one thinks one sees. More than one experience only benefits those who endure Greatful Dead concerts!
Watching a Foghorn Leghorn cartoon while on acid is good for.giggles.
Well there's that, too.
I have a daughter. I said no to hep vaccine as well. There's just no reason for it.
The anti-anti-vax crowd has made some astonishingly dumb pronouncements the past couple of weeks. I'm pro-vax. Just like I'm pro doing anything that improves your life. I practice proper food safety as well. Like I refrigerate my food. Wash my hands before cooking. Wipe my own ass after dropping a d.
I don't need to be told. I don't need to be forced. Someone probably taught and told me to do these things.
It's only a matter of time before the same anti-anti-vax crowd demands that we all be trained in proper ass wiping techniques. YOU'RE PUTTING EVERYONE AROUND YOU AT RISK!!!
That's front to back if you're a girl, right?
Well why doesn't everyone who believes in the safety of vaccination just line up and get all the shots available. Then, when one of these outbreaks occurs in the unvaccinated population, you may stroll around in safety. Why have any fear? You're protected right?
This is the great hypocrisy. Outbreaks will occur in any vaccinated population. Some won't produce a high enough titer. Some are non responders. Some produce a high titer antibody that is ineffective. Strains will mutate enough to make the vaccine useless. This is a dynamic system.
I do believe in certain vaccinations. I got the hep B vaccine because I being a lab worker was at high risk and the vaccine was effective. But I immunized myself as an adult. There is no way this vaccine is appropriate for a newborn. Hep b is predominantly transmitted by sex and blood products. Giving a baby this vaccine at such an early age may not protect him when they become sexually active. My pediatrician agreed with me not to give this shot to a baby for this reason. He called it a strictly political shot.
As for other childhood diseases, keep them healthy and let them get wild type virus making the rounds. They will have life long immunity and wont have to worry about any future outbreaks.
Miffed
This ^ from one who studied this stuff!
Species 3 (2004) - Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY6KfSoHr4Y (1:41)
Vaccines may or may not cause autism or the other things that plague kids these days, especially boys, but I wish I would have held off on vaccinations until after my son learned to talk and interact with others.
I have mixed feelings about vaccines. I know what they propose to do but I've known a couple of people who caught the virus from the vaccine or had serious complications. Plus, I read on some sites about the aluminum in vaccines as a potential cause for Autism and Alzheimers....
It's not as straightforward as Big Pharma and the gubmint tells us.
They used to put mercury in childrens vaccines as a preservative. Apparently, the flu vaccine ( odds of the lottery for being correct) still uses mercury. Source: My RN sister
Childhood disease. What ever happened to childhood disease's? They want us to never get sick, no flu, no nothing. Why?
I don't like getting sick, but I like my immune system to be working. If you don't use it, you loose it!
There is no double-blind, placebo controlled study/test that demonstrates vaccine safety. There is also no double-blind, placebo controlled study/test demonstrating the effectivenesss of vaccines. All else is agenda driven propaganda.
A Father's Personal Struggle With Being A Giant Douchebag Who Would Endanger His Child For His Stupid Political Beliefs