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A Father's Personal Struggle With The Vaccine Debate
Submitted by Daniel Ameduri (aka The Dissident Dad) via Mike Krieger's Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Across these United States, a fierce vaccination debate has started to flare up, and straw-man arguments are being paraded around as the truth. Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey said he’s for a balanced approach, in which parents have some measure of choice. Unfortunately, that’s not how things are actually done in New Jersey.
The reality is that New Jersey parents have no real choice. You have to get your child vaccinated unless you can provide a certified letter from your doctor saying that a vaccine will make the child sick, or if you can prove that it is against your religion.
Governor Christie’s comment about a “measure of choice” reveals the self-importance these politicians give to themselves. Parents living in the Christie regime don’t get full choice, but he is willing to grant them some measure of choice. Perhaps the citizenry’s ability to voice its perspective would suffice for the Governor, as long as they understand that he and his bureaucrat comrades have the final say.
Senator Rand Paul defined his position clearly, saying all parents should have the right to choose. He then went on to bring up why some parents have reservations about heavily vaccinating their young children, describing stories that he’s heard where perfectly healthy children get sick after an immunization shot. In response, the mainstream media made it its mission to brand his commentary on why others may have reservations, into Rand Paul advocating against vaccinations. In fact, former Vermont Governor Howard Dean went so far as to say it should disqualify Rand from running for president.
At the core of this entire debate is the question of who is in control. Who owns your body? That is precisely why corporatist-state media and politicians have come out so passionately about this issue. The busy bodies and medical profiteers are irate that you and I think that we should actually have a choice in how we manage our own healthcare decisions.
Nine months ago, on April 18th, I was sitting in a maternity room with my 12-hour-old daughter. When a nurse came in to immunize her from hepatitis B, a disease known to be transmitted only from sex, blood transfusions, and child birth only IF the mother has the virus. Knowing my newborn daughter hadn’t had sex, hadn’t had a blood transfusion, and that my wife – who had been to about 20 doctor visits in the past 6 months – didn’t have hepatitis, I told the nurse I wouldn’t allow them to give this immunization to my baby. The nurses were quite pleasant. They had me sign a form, and that was the end of it.
Prior to the nurse leaving, I asked to see the side effects of the vaccine they had attempted to inject into a half-day-old newborn. The side effects were fever, insomnia, hypotension, drowsiness, loss of appetite and irritability. My heart was crushed after reading this, thinking of all the other babies in the hospital that would be given this shot. Here you are, hours old, you just survived delivery, which can pretty intense, and now someone wants to inject a vaccine into your body, where the side effects could make you sick. For no reason, by the way, in my daughter’s case. So the risk-reward wasn’t even in the equation – it was pretty much all risk.
From the CDC’s website:
On the decision of which vaccines to get and when, for my family it’s all about trust, and I don’t trust anything mandated by this government. I will be damned if they force a needle into any of my children. I have often pondered where I would draw the line, and that’s it. Take my money, take my property, but do not F*** with my kids.
By the way, would it surprise any reader that the former CDC Director went on to become president of Merck’s Vaccination Unit? Today, Dr. Julie Gerberding is the Vice President of Strategic Propaganda… I mean Communications for Merck.
In her title change, Merck had this to say: “Julie has been instrumental in making Merck’s vaccines more accessible.”
With the help and support of my doctor, my children are receiving some of the vaccines at the ages we feel appropriate.
I want to mention this only because this is not an anti-vaccine essay. The debate to vaccinate or not to vaccinate is a distraction from the more important issue at hand:
Who owns your body, you or the government?
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It's unfortunate vaccines are a scam, because if did they work maybe they could come up with a vaccine to prevent ignorance like yourself.
In 2009, Global Research posted an article which had been published online by Rolling Stone in 2005.
You can find it by searching "Vaccinations: Deadly Immunity" Here's one link to it:
http://www.abundanthope.net/pages/Health_and_Nutrition_37/Vaccinations_D...
Here's GR's introduction to what I consider one of the most damning coverups by the government and industry. The article is one of the most important I've seen in the debate on vacinnes.
"In 2005 an article by Robert F. Kennedy was published by Rollingstone.com which shed light on the collusion between Big Pharma and the US government and the dangers with vaccines produced by major pharmaceutical companies. This article is of particular relevance to the current debate on the H1N1 swine flu virus and plans by the WHO, The Obama Administration and Big Pharma to develop swine flu vaccine."
"The article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. documented the government's efforts to conceal alarming data about the dangers of vaccines."
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The use of thimerosol, a mercury based preservative in vacines was outlawed in Europe when the connection between vaccines containing it and autisim in children became apparent. But the US continued to permit it - in fact it is used in the flu shot most people get each year. I've seen articles that link the number of flu shots a person has had with an increased risk of allzheimers.
Good luck fighting the bastards.
You're a dumbass, seriously, a pathetic dumbass.
Yeah. With all due respect I like most of your posts.
But adhominem attacks like this make you look less intelligent and less informed. You didn't debunk a goddamned thing this guy said, you just called him a name.
Sounds like the braindead youtube commenters whenever some investigator demonstrates the ridiculous fabricated stories like 9/11, SandyHook, Boston, OKC?Murrah. Paris, and on an on.
The true believers can't disprove it, they just start slinging shit like goddamn chimps.
ARe you a chinese chimp?
There's zero reason to even attempt a rational argument with this knuckledragger.
Troll.
Facepalm.... Wow...
Let you own your own body and your children's body - but if you do not get those immunizations then day care providers can say 'no', public schools can say 'no', employers can say 'no', theme parks can say 'no', etc, etc. So yes, you can control what is yours, but you must then also agree to let others control what is there's. And if they won't let you in without immunizations, then you do not get in.
Shunned by the sheeple - oh, the horror!!!
If the pubic schools say 'no' they will be discriminating against the intelligent. SOP.
You mean to say you don't think the public schools don't already discriminate against the intelligent students? And lower every standard to the absolute fucking minimum so the less 'talented' but 'equal' students can pass and graduate, all while forcing the kids who want to be there, those with some modicum of intelligence and drive to learn, sit there in a cage with sub 90 IQ predators and lackwits and wait while the morons get special treatment and (this from a teacher acquaintance) "separate settings".
No upvote for you!
It's for the Homeland's Children......
Honestly, so all of these diseases were basically dead for the past 20 years and now because people want to give a big middle finger to all corporate entities and govn't they are willing to risk the lives of innocent children? Maybe the internet is really the fucking plauge. Every tin hat idea gets a voice and has to be talked about....I remember when dumb ideas were just that DUMB!
Oh there were plenty of dumb ideas before the internet. It's just you had to call people dumb to there face and accept the consequences.
Fair enough, but also people had a somewhat of a level head and could admit when they were wrong on a specific issue, unlike today where every idea is valid becuase you can find/make your proof by editing a wikipage etc....
And yeah if they still wanted to argue you either walked away or walked towards each other.
Here is my rule, which is based on General Rule of Government #3: Government always accomplishes the opposite of the stated goal. Always. And also General Rule of Government #2: Government can only produce poverty, misery, death, and lies.
If something is being encouraged by education, then I will duly consider it. If it is being pushed by propaganda and extortion (lies, and threats of violence), I will resist it with all my fiber, because, as stated, the stated goal is only cover for venality, and avarice, and the only outcome that can be expected is poverty, misery, death, and more lies.
The banksters need to repay us.
I gave my kid vaccines for diseases that coukd kill him, nothing else. I also asked my doctor which ones he would give his own kid. Surprisingly out of the 38 vaccines on the list, my doctor would only give his own kid 15. He said before 2000 there were only 15-18 required vaccines in most states. Most of them given at age five, not before three years or shortly after birth. I made sure to split any multiple vaccines and said no to mumps and rubella.
I haven't had a shot for 30 years. I've also only been what most people would call sick three times in the past 30 years. My college roommate caught a terrible flu and was incapacitated for almost a week. Our entire dorm building was quarantined after most of the residents caught it as well. I had a fever for less than a day and was fine.
If your body never learns how to fight off a real disease, it will never be able to fight anything off easily. Vaccines may save some people's lives but overall they weaken a population's immunity. The only true vaccine is the antibodies a person's own system generates. Some dead virus passed through a pig kidney packed with formaldehyde isn't going to be of any use to anyone.
So your body will fight of ebola now without any drugs?
How many people do you know with ebola?
What difference does that make? I am saying the day he contracts it, he will be able to fight it off because he hasn't taken any Big Pharma drugs and won't need any drugs to cure himself.
Do you realize the possibility of a bacterial outbreak causing huge problems within our population because of the over use of anti-biotics? Taken for everything? Do you, perhaps, see a similarity here?
Sure I do, but to be naive that modern medicine doesn't help you when you face the brink....is absurd. Go to an an ICU ward for a bit and see what those people do. I have unfortunately been there a bit to much in the past years. Some times we lost, but so far we have won more than we lost.
That's a non-sequitur rebuttal.
Agreed it is a bit off topic....easy to get emotional.
A bit off topic? I had just listed some ways modern medicine helps people live longer. Then you say that! It appears being right is more important than being coherent.
Please explain to me where in this line of posts you mentioned modern medicine helps to live longer.... I think you have confused some threads
Short attention span there buckoo. " Better acute/emergency care, faster transpo to hospital, transplants, premature infant care and on and on." I realize it can be tough ( for a challenged person) to remember a thread you responded to 5 minutes earlier.
I don't mind someone having a contrary opinion, but you're a douche.
Stop with the juvenile name calling hissy fit for a second and realize that emergency care is very different from the everyday practice of modern medicine. Dont confuse the 2, they are not the same.
Your post is a juvenile hissy fit name caller. I said acute/ emergency care. If I snap my leg, blow out my knee, rupture my achilles ( which I did), I'm all for US healthcare. Chronic disease treatment ( I had stage 4 cancer), not so much. If I need an organ, and one is available, I'll take it.
Your response, if made to me, is inappropriate.
Before you want to give modern medicine handjob for making our lives longer, there is a significant ammount of evidence which contradicts this. you'll have to dig for it though, you won't catch that on Sex in the City or Fox news. According the AMA's own numbers, medicine is the 3rd leading cause of preventable death in the US.
What part of " I gave my kid vaccines for diseases that coukd kill him". Didn't you understand Fucktard? It was his first sentence.
Pasteur Germ Theory vs.
Dechamp Pleomorphic Theory
There is no debate. If you believe in germ theory, then use all the vaccines available on you and your loved ones. The vaccinated should not need to worry about the unvaccinated. They are immune, right? Why all the debate? It just doesn't make sense. Now down the rabbit hole, the lot of you.
Because some children are not able to be vaccinated, like those with auto-immune disorders and those receiving chemo.
" Fuck the many Mr. Spock! I've gotta date with that blue chick...." JT Kirk
"Spock would fuck anything...if the bitch is blue, there is definately something wrong with her pussy" Eddie Murphy
I think Eddie said "Captain Kirk". But it's been years...
There's some evidence these vaccines are causing these auto immune disorders.
Pasteur was a Shylock!
He admitted to faking his data.
The entire drug industry is based on the false assumption that germs alone cause disease.
Why? Because 900 degree F jet fuel burning for 45 minutes in one localized area can heat and weaken 100000 tons of steel and cause an entire building to fall into its own footprint, at freefall speed, and leave only dust and small bits behind.
Becuase a 120 lb misfit can carry an AR15, 4 pistols and shotgun into a school, not get filmed entering the school, then shoot and kill with over 90% accuracy 26 people in a minute and a half. And no pictures or footage was ever shown of this superhuman performance that many trained SOCOM operators could not pull off in a solo operation. This person learned how to do this from video games and one visit to a shooting range (also not documented).
That's fucking why you ignorant slut!
/sarc
Agreed 100% that the vaccinated have nothing to worry about. And if that was the entire story your point would be undebatable. Parent's should have complete freedom to choose what happens to their own minor children as long as it endangers no one else.
However just like a roulette player who believes that betting on red or black is a 50/50 proposition - you ain't seeing the entire picture.
What about the 5% to 8% (depending on study) of the infant population than cannot be vaccinated because of allergy or illness? Stop vaccinating and a lot of those children will die.
Then stop to consider most cancer patients, anyone with compromised immunity and the elderly and you start to see that without universal vaccinations for certain diseases you are putting, with certainty, every member of society at risk because eventually we all get sick or old.
That said, I believe strongly in personal freedom, therefore even though I recognize the inherent risks in not vaccinating, I don't believe we should force anyone to vaccinate against their will.
However, respect for the concept of personal freedom doesn't mean we can't, as a society, shun the hell out of the the selfish c*nts who put us all at risk by making the choice not to vaccinate. It is within the rights of the rest of us, who aren't selfish c*nts, to exclude you and yours from nursurys, schools, hospitals, and public gathering places (restaurants, malls, urban parks).
Also, the choice should come with some legal liability. You choose not to vaccinate and your minor kid gets sick, you subject yourself to prosecution.
And should people like yourself be criminally liable when children suffer brain dammage and die from vaccinations? Vaccine extremists seem to always want to have it both ways.
Who owns which body?
wow, what a fucking dumbass
It's puzzling how the rest of the modern world manages to function without this kind of medical controversy.
It's literally #firstworldproblems
The dipshits have zero clue what they are talking about and cloak their stupidity in a veil of "science", meaning, they come out with an objective and hunt out any information (regardless of source) that agrees with them... then they call it "science". Zero fucking clue about how immunizing kids early results in protection for far longer, zero fucking clue about the severity of the diseases, zero fucking clue about how easy it is to catch some of this shit. All the scientific fact that counters their insanity is flat out ignored because they are selfish idiotic morons.
Here's the simple fact being ignored: Diagnosis for Autism CHANGED. It used to be binary, now there's a scale, and it was made MORE inclusive. When made more inclusive, gosh golly gee, you get more of it. The dipshits can't understand this though, and thanks to the internet, the idiocy spreads with the morons latching onto whatever retard posts a blog or makes a website.
The funniest part of this, is that drug companies don't make shit from vaccines, they really don't. They would make far more from the diseases, so would the docs. However, the anti-vaxxers, oh there's a whole industry of bullshit surrounding it, and it's worth billions to them. Follow the money? Funny how when you do that it ends up discrediting all of the fucksticks. Let us not forget that fucktard in england who started all this.... being paid by a lawfirm to make up data so they could sue a drug company. Follow the money indeed.
You said fucktard, zero fucking clue, and retard enough that I assume you think that about yourself....you have any kids? I'm thinking no...
He seems knowledgeable about trading and economics but when it comes to questioning the government's stories, we should look elsewhere for meaningful analysis.
Hate calling people out, but you seem like a person that is trying not to feel stupid for exposing loved ones to these vaccines and you will accept any line of govt BS to keep yourself from thing, 'wtf have I done'. So many like that out there that neglected to any of their research before accepting these shots.
you might want to recheck your facts:
http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/british-court-throws-out-conviction-of-...
Has anyone ever read the literature included with Vaccines? Do so. Very interesting indeed. You won't want to have one of those injections.
Read the instructions with any medicine, you wouldn't take it if you believed you were going to come down with some of the possible side-effects.
And so I don't.
Vaccine inserts:
http://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts/
There was a post here about Rubella, this is only dangerous to women.
If they get it in pregnancy then it can damage the unborn child leading to blindness and deafness.
The vaccine choosers would decide not to have their male children vaccinated, leaving 50% of the population un-vaccinated.
Vaccination often requires 98% vaccination rates to be effective and low rates of vaccination will leave the whole population exposed.
Perhaps the same chooser will find his own daughter affected during pregnancy and have a blind and deaf grandchild.
Before the days of vaccination my Mum caught rubella during pregnancy and my sister was born deaf, there is a real danger.
This why they grouped together measles, mumps and rubella in one vaccine - mumps can make boys sterile, rubella only affects women.
Hopefully this will get the vaccine choosers to have it, but the vaccine choosers often go out find the individual vaccines to avoid the unnecessary ones.
Health and Well being care
are both a personal choice and responsiblity, I currently lean toward the electron/akaline, yes the fucking colors of mother earth for my body's proper chemistry...will Barry's goons at the various alphabet fuckfests cover that bitchez?!!!
I think NOT...!!!
http://www.forbiddenhealingforum.com
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/gmi-blogs/forbiddenhealing
Stay out of my body with your narcopharmocrapo !!!
Please dont breed
I feel confident getting my kids vaccinated for the proven basics: Measles, mumps, Rubella, Diphtheria, and Polio. But I no longer believe in any disease discovered in the last 30 years. Too much money is involved in patenting new vaccines to believe blindly. For eg: the history of HPV shows a real twist of facts, using incomplete statistics to scare people for money.
I have no problem with vaccines as long as they are voluntary. Leftist women have been mewling about control of their bodies for decades concerning abortion so they should be on board for control of our bodies when it comes to vaccines.
the most simple reason for not getting vaccinated is trust. the wonderful usa .gov granted the vaccination makers immunity from civil lawsuits stemming from injuries caused by the vaccines. since then .gov has done its best to mandate vaccines for ridiculous things. there are 200 measles cases, most concentrated in a very small area. that's 200 people out of 330 million people and .gov tries to use it as a vehicle to mandated vaccines. meanwhile the vaccine companies don't need quality control because they don't have to worry about legal liability. there have been stories about cross contamination, weak doses if at all and illness caused by the vaccines.
an italian court just found gsk guilty of fudging mortality data in a vaccine trial. the data showed a higher mortality rate than if the disease was contracted. a cdc whistleblower revealed fudged causal data between vaccines and autism.
there is no trust in the system. the system is actually designed the thwart trust. i would never take a vaccine under that condition.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the US a religious exemption should go something like this...
"We don't want that, it's against our religion."
"Oh, what religion are you?"
"My religion is none of your business."
antivaxxers are the dumbest category of people in our times. It saddens me enormously to see there are so many here, but it doesn't really surprise me, after all ZH is home to a (not always) silent majority of conspiracy theorist and crackpots of various kind... I'm done with this website.
Fuck off
Nice baby tantrum, why don't you take ball and go home. Sure beats actually putting some research into the topic.
Vaccines the thory is OK. Everything else is shit
Yet another example of the Hegalian Dialectic manipulating people's emotions.
Vaccines are a tool. Just like any tool it can be used for either bad or good. Either point of view has some logic to it. There is enough publicly available information to be skeptical.
Fucking sheep are pro vaccine or "anti-vaxxer". Meanwhile the real assholes will take advantage and mandate mandatory vaccinations. Given how incompetent, idioitic and evil governments this is a reasonable assumption. This is also a frightening prospect.
You want to take vaccines? Good for you.
You want to ostracize somebody who is displaying healthy and reasonable skepticism? You want to force me to take vaccines? Go fuck yourself.
+10
Dont get your kids vaccinated, just dont send them to a public school, or go to a local doctor or hospital for anything! Ever! In fact go take your kids and live in a forest with other disease spreading un-educated fuckwits.
Healthy and reasonable skepticism......reasonable maybe (healthy fuck no) You will kill people....little tiny innocent kids.
Yes, so true. Every vaccinated child I know is the picture of health. Clearly segregation is in order here.
Miffed;-)
Thank your for proving my point. Because name calling and vitrol is a reasonable response to an opinion contrary to your own.
Ebola victims agree with this man. It is their body and no one should interfere with it or the bodily fluids leaking from it.
I quit smoking when I kept thinking about how stupid I would feel if, at some point in the future, a doctor were to tell me that I was going to die of lung cancer. I liked smoking, but but i couldn't deal with the thought of being that big of a fool.
For many years non-vacinated kids have been at negligible risk of disease due to the prevalence of vacination in the general population (i.e. herd immunity). As vacinations rates drop, herd immunity is lost and disease starts to crop up again. This seems to be starting to happen.
I fully believe that people should decide for themselves whether their kids should be vacinated. It is a matter of personal freedom. But I also believe that school boards should be free to set resonable standards for the admission of students, and that this could very well include, in the right circumstances, the refusal to admit non-vacinated students. What comes around goes around.
Also, for the folks that don't believe in vacination, go to a cemetary from the early 1900's or earlier. I have and there is a huge percentage of graves of young children under the age of 10. I believe the biggest difference between now and then is the presence of vacinations. I don't believe that we will return to those days because as kids start to get sick again, the objections to vacination will magically start to disappear.
The bottom line fact of all this vaccine "news" is that this was not an issue until the borders were overwhelmed by a tsunami of "migrants" from third world holes. The fact is the "voters" of the good ol USA allowed all of this because they were more concerned with TV and goodies than the safety of their kids. Notice that the source of these outbreaks is NEVER discussed, only that YOU better vaccinate your kid....
Inability to distinguish scientific fact from fiction is a self-correcting problem.
Yes, true. Those that vaccinate young children will have a lower likelihood of those children reproducing.
Quantity not quality. That's the ticket!
vaccine extremists tend to scatter like roaches when a light is turned on when they are confronted with facts. Some of replies on this board are borderline moronic.
MMWR (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report) from the CDC and accessing the search engine for VAERS (Vaccine complication reporting site) at http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php.
1. Since 2005 (and even before that), there have been no deaths in the U.S. from measles, but there have been 86 deaths from MMR vaccine – 68 of them in children under 3 years old. And there were nearly 2,000 disabled.
2. In countries which use BCG vaccinations against tuberculosis, the incidence of Type I diabetes in children under 14 is nearly double. (“Infectious Disease in Clinical Practice” no. 6 pages 449-454, 1997)
3. As reported in Lancet in 1995, inflammatory bowel disease (i.e. Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis) is 13 times more prevalent in persons vaccinated for measles.
4. In a nested case-control study within the General Practice Research Database (GPRD) in the United Kingdom, patients who had a first MS (Multiple Sclerosis) diagnosis recorded were compared with controls. The authors concluded that immunization with the recombinant hepatitis B vaccine is associated with a threefold increased risk of developing MS (Hernan et al., 2004). No increased risk of MS was associated with other vaccines, which included tetanus and influenza vaccinations.
5. In 1982 William Torch, a prolific researcher and publisher on Neurologic topics, presented a paper (later published) at the American Academy of Neurology reviewing SIDS deaths. He reported that in 100 consecutive cases, 70 percent of SIDS deaths occurred within three weeks of pertussis vaccination. In very convincing confirmation, a Japanese prefecture stopped vaccinating after associating SIDS with the pertussis vaccine. It is worth reading the entire description from Viera Scheibner, PhD: In 1975, about 37 Crib Sudden Deaths were linked to vaccination in Japan. Doctors in one prefecture boycotted vaccinations, and refused to vaccinate. The Japanese government paid attention and stopped vaccinating children below the age of 2 years. When immunization was delayed until a child was 24 months of age, Sudden Infant Death cases and claims for vaccine related deaths disappeared. Japan zoomed from a high 17th place in infant mortality rate to the lowest infant mortality rate in the world when they stopped vaccinating. Japan didn’t vaccinate any children below the age of 2 years between 1975 and 1988, for 13 years. But then in 1988, Japanese parents were given the choice to start vaccinating anywhere between 3 months and 48 months. The Ministry study group studied 2,720 SIDS cases occurring between 1980 and 1992 and they established that their very low SIDS rate quadrupled.
6. A mail survey was done of 635 children in the Netherlands in 2004. German measles and whooping cough (pertussis) were twice as common in unvaccinated children. However, throat inflammations, ear infections, rheumatologic complaints, seizures and febrile convulsions were much more common in the vaccinated group. Aggressive behavioral episodes were eight times more frequent in vaccinated children, and sleep disordered more often. Tonsils were removed in 33 percent of children who had been vaccinated vs. 7.3 percent unvaccinated.
7. In 1947, the first reports of brain inflammation and chronic brain damage, including death, after pertussis vaccination began to be published (Brody, 1947; Byers and Moll, 1948, Low, 1955, Berg, 1958; Strom, 1960, 1967; Dick, 1967, 1974; Kuhlenkampff, 1974; Stewart, 1977, 1979). But it took more than 40 years of collective evidence before academic medicine decided it was true –1981 National Childhood Encephalopathy Study (NCES) and in 1991 and 1994 by the Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences.
In 1991, after reviewing vaccine safety, the Institute of Medicine admitted, “In the course of its review, the committee encountered many gaps and limitations in knowledge bearing directly or indirectly on the safety of vaccines. These include inadequate understanding of the biologic mechanisms underlying adverse events following natural infection or immunization, insufficient or inconsistent information from case reports and case series, inadequate size or length of followup of many population based epidemiologic studies [and] few experimental studies published in relation to the number of epidemiologic studies published.”
fuck off
Boy! You really gott'em there!
"Tonsils were removed in 33 percent of children who had been vaccinated vs. 7.3 percent unvaccinated."
Wow poor people avoid most medical costs. Good job, genius.
Perhaps one of the best perspectives on the whole vaccination paradigm is provided by Dr. Harold Buttram, M.D., FAACP: As one of today’s senior citizens who grew up in a Midwestern state in the 1930s, and as a doctor who has treated many children, I may have a special vantage point of time and experience in regard to the changes that have taken place in the health of America’s children since the relatively innocent times of the 1930s. At summer camps in the New Mexico Mountains that I was fortunate to attend, no boy had allergies, none was on medication, and no boy was ever sick with the common ailments of today. It was much the same in schools. I don’t recall ever seeing a child with easily recognized behaviors now described as hyperactivity (ADHD) or autism. Today in stark contrast, approximately one-third of our youngsters are afflicted with the 4-A Disorders (Autism, ADHD, Asthma, and Allergies), as described and documented by Dr. Kenneth Bock. School budgets are being strained to the breaking points in providing special education classes for autistic and learning disabled children. Allergy problems are proliferating, as indicated by long lines of children at school nursing stations for their noontime medications. Could today’s infant and childhood vaccine programs, with their steadily increasing numbers of vaccines, be a contributory cause of this ominous health trend? As reflected in the U.S. Congressional Hearings (1999 to December 2004) on issues of vaccine safety, in which major deficiencies in vaccine safety testing were disclosed, it is a real possibility that vaccines may be one of the major, if not the major cause of this trend.
Remove his medical licence to start with.
Alergies have fuck all to do with vaccines - in fact there was a recent study about much higher levels of alergies in cities as oppossed to country people ( and yes the study included vaccination rates ) Interesting but overcrowded third world cities dont have the allergy issues that 1st world countries. The reason is lack of exposure to domesticated animals, nothing to do with vaccination rates.
Autism has successfully been detected in brain development during pregnancy (way before vaccinations are given) There is a strong genetic link in Autism.
That doctor mentioned above also would have been practising in the years where birth rate mortalities were significantly higher due to the very diseases vaccinations protect against....what a fucking muppet
You totally missed the point of this article idiot. Who do your kids belong to, you, or the state? Now go along and be a good little lemming.
No the agruement should be what rights does a person have to sue or lay criminal charges against an un-vaccinated person giving them a disease.
What rights does a child have to sue their hippy parents for not vaccinating them?
You are a dupe. Citing ' a recent study'' as if that gives you some credibility is laughable.
http://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2014-03-26-cortical-layer-dis...
Now where is your conclusive study that proves vaccines cause autism.....thats right there isn't one! The only fuckwit that ever produced one got stripped of his medical licence for his falsified study (with undeclared conflict of interest) from mass murderer Wakefield
Farm asnimals? Really? I never said vaccines cause autism, nice try. What I did and do say is that the burden of proof is on the vaccine companies to prove they are safe and effective, its not the publics legal and ethical responsibilty to prove that they don't cause harm. There is no objective, reproducable data demonstrating the safety and effectiveness of vaccines. That is a FACT. I'm sorry if that bothers you. If you disagree, please cite the double-blind, placebo controlled study/test demonstrating vaccine safety and eficacy. This is the medical gold standard.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18678343 - Not the original study I read (it was a few years ago) but it also concludes the same result that exposure to domestic farm animals has positve effect on atopic snesitization.
One of the biggest ironies of this manufactured controversy is that so few people trust the government these days, but with vaccines they buy the official story hook, line, and sinker?
One of the biggest ironies of this debate is everyone blames govts for vaccines.....think you will find they came from scientist. People trust science, and facts.....you know the strange coincedence that before vaccines heaps of kids died from these diseases and post vaccinations they dont.
The govt has to get involved and mandate because like it or not they is the purpose of Govt. It's actually one of the few things it should be doing. Society elects a govt to make decisions that allow society to be safe and function. Vaccinations absolutely are about "better for majority" and yes at the expense of "freedom of choice"
You don't argue about your "freedom of choice" to drive your car at any speed you like, because you realise speed limits are about protecting society as a whole, so you give up your free will to drive like a maniac.
This site was full of people criticising the govt handling of Ebola 6 months ago.....shouldnt bring it here, and there was the nurse who didn't want to be quaranteened etc. Most of the comments were the govt wasn't doing enough to stop the disease spreading.
I'm sorry but there should only be 2 choices - Vaccinate your kids, or take a personal injection of inner cranium lead.
Ok, go ahead and cite the double-blind, placebo controlled study that demonstrates both the safety and efficacy of vaccines. This is the gold standard in medicine. Should be no problem for you since you seem well versed in science. Maybe if you can produce the science you are referring to, it might go a long way in silencing the skeptics.
http://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2014-03-26-cortical-layer-dis...
The whole vaccination debate aside, this article is amazing development in Autism brain development for anyone interested in the field.
I am not a scientist but even a complete fucking moron knows you cant do a double-blind, placebo controlled study on the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
As you failed to think before posting this I'll explain why in the most simplistic Anti-Vaxx wording I can.
It's called ethics approval. Kinda important if you want to do the above mentioned study and avoid prison.
Your double-blind placebo controlled study would involve giving some babies a vaccine and others a placebo (double blind will mean the parents wont know there child is now un-vaccinated) I can see certain legal issues arising from this study when the baby that got the placebo dies of fucking measles!
Looking forward to your apology
If you're done with your baby tantrum, let me poinnt out that you are admitting there is no real, reproducable objective data demonstrating vaccine safety or effectiveness.
Baby tantrum? you are clearly pro the point of this article and against forced vaccinations, but quite prepared to have someone elses child used in a morally defunct double blind study.
Apart from the millions of vaccines given over a long statistically relevant time period.....the safety numbers and effectiveness of vaccines is one of the easiest and accurates statistics you could quote. Based purely on the volumes and timeline. Learn to Google.
No they are not 100% safe, no drug or medicine is.....they are a shit lot safer than tetnus, or measles though.
"the safety numbers and effectiveness of vaccines is one of the easiest and accurates statistics you could quote. Based purely on the volumes and timeline." 100% speculatiuon and opinion. I think i recsall lots of vaccine extremists saying things like correlation does not imply causation when it comes to vasccines and autism. You cant have it both ways.
Hm, might just be anecdote but let's take measles: countries where vaccination is mandatory, measles extinct. Places where it isn't, measles galore.
>>Vaccinate your kids, or take a personal injection of inner cranium lead.<<
I can see you've taken your shot.
Ahhhh Tyler. Here's your tinfoil hat, wear it well. After a long trip down the rabbit hole of vaccines, fluoride, GMO foods, chemo, radiation, chemtrails, thorazine, electroshock, mercury, corn syrup, aspartame, preservatives, hormones, plastic surgery, body piercings, body scanners, mind control, Waco, OKC, 911, Sandy Hoax, Boston Hoaxathon, ISIS, al CIA duh, guidestones, QE Infinity, and WW3; We find out what we've been told all along. In service of their master they REALLY ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL! Whoda thunk it?
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 10 King James Bible
Silver For The People
Here is a perfect example of why government would like a society without God. God gave man his body, the body is the man's by the will of God. Nearly every state will recognize a freedom of religion belief NOT TO VACCINATE. Government would like you forget about that though. It just gets in the way of so many things. Like destroying your body, along with your soul.
A couple good articles for those few who read themselves anymore.
And as the the article above states, It's not vaccine or no vaccine,
It's Who owns your and yours bodies?
Measles vs. MMR Vaccine: Risks and Benefits
How Vaccine Hysteria Could Spark Totalitarian Nightmare
If you think the government has the right to forcibly vaccinate people – for the good of society – what is to prevent them from forcibly sterilizing people, or forcibly euthanizing people, or forcibly implanting a tracking device – for the good of society? You make think those examples are extreme (although two-thirds have happened), but the principle is the same. You are allowing government to have ultimate authority over your body.
What's the big uproar? Let people who want to vaccinate their kids do so, and let those who do not refrain. The kids who don't get shots will (maybe) get the measles, chix pox and those who had the shots will be immune.
I grew up in the '50's and had both-it was just one of those things. Now they act like it's freaking ebola! A few hundred cases in a nation of 315 million? WTF?
Bear with me and let me present a sequence of events about a little girl I know.
At 13 months she was chugging right along as normal kids do, I'd say developing a smidge faster than our first. Then she caught and cold and all the sudden things slowed down to a snail’s pace. A month later she started having seizures which were later identified as Absence seizures – 10 to 15 second pauses out of nowhere, highlighted by blank stares and dancing eyebrows. This occurred maybe 20 to 30 times per day. Many times we caught her before she hit the ground. As with all things there was a pill for that, but the doctors had to try five different meds before one worked to diminish the seizure activity. For some of these drugs you cannot just take one and look to see if it works; it needs to build up effectiveness in the blood stream. So it was over a year before something actually stopped the seizures, but during that time we had to deal with all the unexpected adverse effects of a myriad of drugs and combinations of drugs. Aside from the seizures she still wasn’t developing, she was always tired and withdrawn and easily agitated to an absolute rage for little reason. A small child screaming in the middle of a crowded department store always draws a lot of looks and suspicion. What, on earth, did I do? It was happening all the time now. It was utterly brutal to take her anywhere in public. At the age of three she was diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder. The neurologists rambled off a list of recommendations that was simply overwhelming….medications, therapies and tests, test, and more tests. I’m not sure what the precise catalyst for our decision was, but we said “no” to the choices recommended by our local medical professionals.
(Please understand that I am a data-driven, humble and experienced Scientist/Engineer and I do have high regard for medical professionals and science/technology (same training different subject matter). They too are data-driven and I respect that. But we are human and therefore not precisely accurate 100% of the time. If we were there would be no need for tolerances, regression analysis, confidence intervals, etc. I hope you get my point.)
For the sake of brevity I’m not going into what we employed and what we experienced on our journey, but as a family we did it together. Two years after she was initially diagnosed as on the spectrum, she was judged as normal by same neurologists and the same standardized tests. After starting school behind one year she is now above average in the class she is supposed to be in and takes no medication. The last thing I recall the neurologists saying is that they were stumped and that we were lucky, and I have to agree but from a different perspective. I was lucky that something tapped me on the shoulder and told me to be a cognitive human father.
I cannot know what sparked a remarkable change in our little girl when she was a 13-month-old baby. All the data has been gathered and the results are inconclusive to me. The fact that just before she became ill and slowed she received multiple vaccinations is coincidental, but also cause for serious consideration. Again technology is great; full comprehension of technology is even better. I’m not Pro- and I’m not Anti-vaccination so don’t pigeon-hole me. There are some vaccinations I feel are worthwhile, there are some I feel are useless and there are some that I feel can be delayed until later in life.
Like nothing else on this earth we have the ability to champion choice over instinct. Instincts are always there (take the blue pill, take the red pill), but choices may be less apparent and take some kind of revelation (don’t take any pill). But whatever the choice may be, it is mine.
God Bless Y’all
I'm curious how old your daughter is now? and what you did in relation to therapy/treatment for Autism. My partner is currently doing research in this field and sadly there is a lot of mis-information and lack of resarch & understanding of girls with Autism.
Great post by the way, and sounds like you had one hell of a journey, but clearly did something right! Well done!
Like I said, I feel we are lucky so apply that to everything that follows.
She is 9 years old now, still young. Of course, development is more rapid while we're young.
We looked for heavy metals and toxins in her system via multiple anayses: hair, bloodwork, urine, stool, etc. IgE and IgG analyses. My better half even assesses the dark circles under the eyes, the runny nose (not always a cold), etc. We do all this over and over and over again.
Therapy includes eliminating suspected contibutions/components from her diet, lifestyle and environment. A simple example: remove Chicken Mcnuggets from her diet and re-evalute see which (if any) concentration peak diminishes. Our elimination process has been extensive to say the least. Add natural supplementation to maximize necessary peak (i.e. Vit D). The gut feeds the brain.
Also physical therapy. She used to return the wave hello/goodbye backwards if you can imagine that...trampoline, bicycle, excercising, kickball, memory/concentraion (with cards and with actions like jumping jacks)...again, extensive.
Sorry so short, we could write novels...
The handwaving backwards is classically autistic, they are typically visual learners (thus your flash cards) so they repeat waving as they see it. It's heartbreaking and kinda cute all at the same time.
Goodluck with your daughter sounds like you are doing great job (under pretty extra-ordinary circumstances). Keep an eye out for the teenage years as autism can regress in this period. Also there is a huge amount of research, and study being done with girls and autism at the moment. You would do well to keep an eye on Tony Attwood's (godfather of autism) and his publications over the next 3-4 years. A lot of it based on social skills, fitting in with peers, communicating (struggle with jealousy and sarcasm for example).
Best of luck, i've seen the results of similar parenting to what you describe and believe me all the hard work you are doing now is worth it!
I can tell you know a thing or two. Thanks for the advice and kind words.
God bless you.
When people ask me if US citizenry is as dumb as generally said, I show them posts like this one.
With a populace of 310+ million it is easy to spot the degradated ones, because they are in the tens of millions. So by comparison to other countries, there is an imbalance. Layer in social engineering, free money, public schools, etc etc and viola, modern usa.
It would be a good rule of thumb to declare your country when bashing another, what utopia do you reside in?
Amen
Mooo?
We need to blame the vaccinations for all of these health problems because the truth is too disturbing. I live in the Northeast in a drafty old house with no air conditioning and the heat is set at 65 in the winter. When the kids were little they played outside in all sorts of weather in the little stream that runs through the back of the property slopping around in the mud trying to catch frogs. They average less than 1 sick day per school year and although they are vaccinated they have never received a flu shot.
Your kids are sick because you over sterilize everything and keep them in climate controlled environments for 23.9 hours a day; home, school, cars, etc, Their bodies have no ability to handle any microbe that may be wandering around in the real world and any temperature hotter than 70 degrees or colder than 70 degrees shocks their bodies.
It is your choice to not be vaccinated but I hope they sit your kid at the special table in the school cafeteria with the peanut free, gluten free, and dairy free kids.
There is no debate the gov't admitted that vaccines cause injury. http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html
P.S. Not a "right-winger", this was under Clinton.
There is no debate. I decide what shit gets injected into my kid's body. You got a problem with that?...Molon Labe Bitch.
You know its a propaganda shit show when the media puppets are trying to frame this in a left vs right terms. At the end of the line, it is not the publics repsonsibility to prove vaccines are safe, it is the vaccine manufacturers responsibility to do so. To date they have not done so, and that is a fact.
Our rights are signed away by our parents registering a Birth Certificate. http://www.viewzone.com/collateralx.html
The original birth or naturalization record for every U.S. Citizen is on file in the official records in Washington, D.C. (you get to keep a copy!) and the property and assets of every living U.S. Citizen is pledged as collateral for the National Debt! This is the same for the UK and many other Countries.
We never receive an ORIGINAL certificate. We only ever receive a copy.
The Birth Certificate is the government's self-created document of title for its new property - you and me! It makes us a kind of corporation whose company name is the same as our real name, but written in ALL CAPS. This "corporation" then generates taxes and wealth over its lifetime and in this way repays the collateral that Uncle Sam borrowed from the Federal Reserve.
Google NAMES in ALL CAPS. Also check your birth certificate for your proper name, it is not what you think.
It's not what you think - names in any case upper or lower are legal. Changing the case doesn't change the legal standing or jurisdiction. Ever.
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