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The U.S. Government Wouldn't Cover Up a Foreign Government's Murder of Our Military Men ... Would It?
On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked the American naval vessel USS Liberty in international waters, and tried to sink it.
After checking the Liberty out for 8 hours – and making 9 overflights with Israeli jets, within 200 feet … close enough for the pilots and the sunbathing Liberty sailors on deck to waive at each other.
Yet the Israelis attacked it with Mirage fighter jets, torpedoes and napalm. The USS Liberty suffered 70% casualties, with 34 killed and 174 wounded.
The Israeli attack spanned two hours … as long as the attack on Pearl Harbor. The air attack alone lasted approximately 25 minutes: consisting of more than 30 sorties by approximately 12 separate planes using napalm, cannon, and rockets which left 821 holes in the ship. The Israelis fired 30mm cannons and rockets into the boat.
Following the attack by fighter jets, three Israeli motor torpedo boats torpedoed the ship, causing a 40 x 40 foot wide hole in her hull, and machine-gunning firefighters and stretcher-bearers attempting to save their ship and crew. More than 3,000 machine-gun bullet holes were later counted on the Liberty’s hull.
After the attack was thought to have ended, three life rafts were lowered into the water to rescue the most seriously wounded. The Israeli torpedo boats returned and machine-gunned these life rafts at close range. This was followed by the approach of two large Israeli Army assault helicopters filled with armed commandos carrying what appeared to be explosive satchels (they departed after hovering over the ship for several minutes, making no attempt to communicate).
The Israelis clearly knew it was an American ship, tried to sink it, and tried to frame the Egyptians for the attack, as shown by the following evidence:
(1) The Liberty was flying a huge, brand new American flag. The flag was 5-by-8 feet. The weather conditions were ideal to ensure the flag’s easy observance and identification, because it was clear and sunny, with a wind-speed which make for a constant ripple in the flag. After the flag was shot up by the jets, the Liberty’s crew replaced it with a 7-by-13 foot American flag, which flew during the entire duration of the attack.
(2) The Liberty had a unique profile and didn’t look like any other boat, since it had more and bigger antennas – including large, high-tech dishes and giant towers – than any other boat in the world (it was an NSA spy ship).
(3) The Liberty was marked with uniquely American numbering and colors in front.
(4) The Israeli pilots shot out the Liberty’s communications equipment first, and specifically jammed the ship’s emergency radio signal … unique to American naval vessels in the 6th Fleet. The ships from other fleets and other nations used different frequencies, which the Israelis did not jam.
(5) The Israelis used unmarked fighter jets and unmarked torpedo boats during the attack.
(6) Recently-declassified radio transcripts between the Israeli attack forces and ground control show that – at least 3 times – an Israeli fighter jet pilot identified the craft as American, and asked whether ground control was sure he should attack. Ground control repeatedly said, yes, attack the vessel.
(7) The Israeli torpedo boats methodically destroyed all of the Liberty’s liferafts one by one (which is a war crime).
(8) The only reason the Israelis did not successfully sink the Liberty and kill all of its crewmen was that one sailor duck-taped together antennae – and took many bullet wounds in the process – which enabled an emergency SOS to get out from the Liberty to American 6th Fleet.
(9) The Israelis later claimed that they mistook the Liberty for an Egyptian vessel. But the Egyptian ship – the El Quseir – was an unarmed 1920s-era horse carrier out of service in Alexandria, four times smaller than the Liberty, which bore virtually no resemblance to the Liberty.
(10) President Lyndon Johnson believed the attack was intentional and he leaked his opinion to Newsweek.
Other high-level Americans agreed:
“I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation…. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn’t believe them then, and I don’t believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous.”
–U.S. Secretary of State Dean Rusk
“The evidence was clear. Both Adm. Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack … was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew…. Not only did the Israelis attack the ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded — a war crime….”
–Affidavit of U.S. Navy Captain Ward Boston, the legal counsel for the official investigation into the Liberty attack
“There is compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.”
–Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations and later Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 14 January 2004
“Israeli authorities subsequently apologized for the incident, but few in Washington could believe that the ship had not been identified as an American naval vessel…. I have yet to understand why it was felt necessary to attack this ship or who ordered the attack.”
–C.I.A. Chief Richard Helms
“Yet the ultimate lesson of the Liberty attack had far more effect on policy in Israel than in America. Israel’s leaders concluded that nothing they might do would offend the Americans to the point of reprisal. If America’s leaders did not have the courage to punish Israel for the blatant murder of American citizens, it seemed clear that their American friends would let them get away with almost anything.”
–George Ball, U.S. Undersecretary of State at the time, The Passionate Attachment
(Sources: Congressional record and videos shown below.)
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer – former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff – chaired a non-governmental investigation into the attack on the USS Liberty in 2003. The committee – which included General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, former Judge Advocate General of the Navy, and former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia James E. Akins – held Israel to be culpable and suggested several theories for Israel’s possible motives, including the desire to blame Egypt and bring the U.S. into the Six Day War.
Indeed, President Lyndon Johnson dispatched nuclear-armed fighter jets to drop nuclear bombs on Cairo, Egypt. They were only recalled at the last minute, when Johnson realized that it was the Israelis – and not the Egyptians – who had fired on the Liberty.
An NSA report from 1981 found:
A persistent question relating to the Liberty incident is whether or not the Israeli forces which attacked the ship knew that it was American . . . not a few of the Liberty’s crewmen and [deleted but probably “NSA’s G Group”] staff are convinced that they did. Their belief derived from consideration of the long time the Israelis had the ship under surveillance prior to the attack, the visibility of the flag, and the intensity of the attack itself.
Speculation as to the Israeli motivation varied. Some believed that Israel expected that the complete destruction of the ship and killing of the personnel would lead the U.S. to blame the UAR [Egypt] for the incident and bring the U.S. into the war on the side of Israel . . . others felt that Israeli forces wanted the ship and men out of the way.
Scouring the Liberty records in the LBJ Library in Texas, Ennes [an officer on the bridge of the Liberty] stumbled upon a smoking gun – a one-page memo of the minutes of the 303 Committee [the U.S. National Security Council group that reviewed sensitive intelligence operations] held in advance of the war in April 1967. The Committee consisted of a handful of top level intelligence and government officials who examined black operations and devised plausible deniability for the executive branch in the event of public discovery of an attack. The memo relates to a clandestine joint US-Israeli effort to blame Egypt for the sinking of the Liberty.
We haven’t yet located a copy of the alleged memo, and so we’re not sure we believe this explosive claim. But – given that Israel (1) used unmarked jets and ships, (2) destroyed the Liberty’s communication equipment and then jammed the Liberty’s emergency distress channel, and (3) destroyed all liferafts – the logical inference is that Israel intended to frame Egypt for the attack, and didn’t want the Liberty’s crew to be able to tell the world what really happened.
The following must-watch documentaries from the BBC, Al Jazeera and an independent producer provide first-hand interviews with the crew of the USS Liberty which prove that this was a failed false flag attack:
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I'm yet to see any repository of 'info' from any 'source' online that I couldn't easily pick holes in including most of the crap on zerohedge.
Indeed your graphics gig is a continuous parade of bitter twisted utter bullshit, for the most part. You realise that, right?
The day commenters can't descent from the increasingly brainless farce of conspiracy theory bollocks, then zero hedge ceases to get the point of basic verbal communications. This absurd idiocy of posters calling any dissenter for the dumbness a 'rabid zionist' is simply heaping up the disgrace.
Yes William, it's very easy to play the populist on zh, you do it well, but are you capable of doing the sort of thing Cog has repeatedly urged people to do in his posts, to be that person in the crowd photo that doesn't go along with the populism? I've even seen you use that image.
Guess what, it applies in zh too - double.
If you just want a particular point of view to float in this sea of shit why don't you just come right out and call what happens in here counter-propaganda? The sort of baseless drivel that now passes for quality posts and commentary is pathetic. I wouldn't wrap fish and chips in it.
I said something quite simlar recently on my return from a long haitus and agree on cog-dis. But nibody really understood. But I diod not go into the deatil youdid because it was not at all the same scenario There seems to be layers of cog dis and it settles out in various places and forms ? When you cannot disagree, something is quite wrong ? Nothing new though. Group think is rarely a good thing and that should be abundantly obvious these days here in USSA !
The only thing I knoo for sure about the world we live in is that we all live in massive illusions , all else is speculative or simply a lie to control you. But there are many other very good things to know as well !~
Yes, thank you, very well said.
When you cannot or are not permitted to disagree, that's a warning signal that something's going quite wrong.
That covers a lot of ground.
The illusion of knowledge is deeper than Cog has ever even tried to address in words. You probably get that.
Yep I do, but cog does expose a few illusions although there are many more . Many here think they are quite smart and are really just a slightly different herd of sheep !
Most are still completely controlled by their materialism and have nearly everything quite backasswards ? as if any of it will really matter soon enough. So all the snarky bullshit answers and group think will be about as valid as when I flush the toilet each morning. And we will all live to see this come to pass ! snark off .................................HA HA HA
Ha! yes, just got through putting that another way, here;
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-13/thirst-war-sen-inhofe-releases-...
Need to get the tense right, we are living to see it come to pass. Oh well, was fun while it lasted, but the toilet bowl grows impatient .. let 'er rip ... :-p :-D
Don't use a third party like wikipedia to support your argument. Go to first sources like those who challenge you. Either put up or shut up.
That might possibly be arguably relevant, except I didn't use Wikipedia anywhere above.
And it was actually me doing the challenging, not the other way around, you dopey ignoramous.
Either you're an idiot or you think that we are idiots.
I'd say you're guilty of both charges.
The meer existence of ignorant cretins like your makes me taste vomit.
“...most of what GW says here [is] provably wrong…”
You should make an effort to understand something. What Israel did to the Liberty was an act of war.
It would be much better for you to take the path of honesty, and admit to the truth. Your justifications do not cause one to think better of Israel, but rather to think less of Jews.
The conclusion that your lies and rationalizations lead one to draw is that no Jew can be trusted.
There is something else you should understand, while we are at it. A straight line can be drawn from the Liberty incident to the events of 9/11.
Please note, and factor this into your understanding: both events are not fading with time. To the contrary, they are looming larger, and are having with each passing year a stronger effect.
Someday the accumulation of changes that is taking place below the surface in the sensibilities of the goyim is going to have an effect. Some tectonic plate is going to slip, and there is going to an earthquake, and a tsunami. You might not like the look of landscape afterwards.
It may be that one day, the United States may be Israel's first nuclear bomb target. " The difference between fact and fiction is that fiction has to make sense"... Tom Clancy
It might well be that the United States has already been the victim of a nuclear attack on the part of Israel. It is very likely that nuclear devices were used as part of the demolition of WTC I and II on 9/11. These bombs were reconfigured from nuclear artillary shells given to the Israelis by patriots in the American armed forces.
You're kookoo for Cocco Pops
I think he's spot on. Its rabid zionists like you that are the crazies and really should be dealt with.
And you have an extensive portfolio of evidence of this "rabid zionism", right?
No, of course you don't, it's imaginary accusatory crap, from petty jerk, right?
Yeah, that's right.
So this dopey muck is what 20 years of internet access amounts to? Dumb shit being laid at people's door as a 'comment'? Accusing people of stupid crap that pops into your head because your pet conspiracy was threatened with diss-ing, or cerebral extinction?
Or perhaps there are mitigating circumstances here? Maybe you're a long-term crack addict with a degenerative disorder? Or suffered a debilitating blow to the head recently? Had a stroke? Or a discharged psyche-ward patient with a heavy script and some nasty compound side-effects from it?
The internet, education, intellect and information are all rendered a complete farce and waste if:
1) Your brain is not up to basic processing.
2) You never learned how to use it.
3) Don't care to.
4) Don't have the basic self discipline and self-respect to deal honestly with information and test it.
Get a grip clown
I guess Robin wasn't get the job done, so his supervisor has stepped in to show him how it is done. Isn't that right batman?
It's not a complicated question.
But you didn't chose to condemn an obvious false-accuser. Oh no, you instead selected to go after the person who called-out the false-accuser.
And that would be because that's the low-brow demented trash you prefer to revel in. Never seen you do anything else, and never expect to.
And the Hasbara rebuts with Ziopedia. Lame. Pathetic. Criminal.
Bullshit. Read the books by survivors and their sons: Attack on the Liberty, Lt. Cdr James Ennis; What I saw that Day, Phil Tourney; The Attack on the Liberty, James Scott; for starters.
"Attack on the Liberty, Lt. Cdr James Ennis"
James Ennes' book is "Assault on the Liberty"
You are correct. Thanks.
BraveSirRobbin:
You are wrong, and if you get your history from Wikipedia you're an Idiot!
Anyone who believes the reports and articles posted by Geo Wash is clearly brain damaged beyond repair.
He is the one who argued that the pipe from the Macondo oil well in the GoM had been jacked out of hole with the leaking wellhead moved several miles away. He also wrote reports detailing skin falling off of people walking the beach nearby. Residents of Ohio were threatened with raining oil and the earth's crust was about to split with a crack running to about St. Louis.
Anyone who read any of his claims regarding Fukashima would have expected every resident of California to be dead by now for the radiation poisoning. All of Japan should just be shown on maps as a soft radiation glow.
The guy gets his information from a website called Before it is News. If you enjoy reading compiled and collected tin foil hat theories about aliens or resurected dinosaurs go to that web site.
The only thing that can be relied upon in this article is that there was an attack and the date of the action. Beyond that it is all deranged bull shit. It does seem that there are more than a few here who are similarlly infected with the spread of the smoke from Colorado.
My sentiments exactly! GW is a piper leading conspiracy freaks, anti-U.S., and Jew haters from one story to the next.
I have consistantly said that he uses his own blog to support his stories. He only knows how to tear down, never build up.
And you did not even bother to watch the BBC Documentary Video, included in this article, did you?
You used every distraction possible rather than to point out any flaw written within this essay, didn't you?
The storyline from Fukushima, for instance, did not originate from "Before It's News". That was an absolute LIE from you. In fact you did not know that one of GW's sources is enenews,com, did you?
In fact if you click on that link now even Fox News in San Diego is reporting that crayfish and sardines have vanished from the Pacific Ocean off of the shores of Southern California. The Seals and Sea Lions are malnourished and starving.
http://enenews.com/fox-sardines-crawfish-pretty-disappeared-pacific-ocean-theyve-vanished-marine-mammals-struggling-survive-strandings-2015-already-surpassed-whats-normally-entire-yearly-5-weeks-videos
You will find out that according to a Japan Official: Fuel from Fukushima reactors is “melting down daily” — AP: No way of confirming melted fuel is at bottom of containment vessels — Tepco Adviser: “Schedule for decommissioning the plant is pure supposition” — The Economist: This is ‘Mission Impossible’
http://enenews.com/japan-official-fuel-fukushima-reactors-melting-down-daily-ap-confirming-melted-fuel-bottom-containment-vessels-tepco-adviser-schedule-decommissioning-plant-pure-supposition
So either you are writing out of your ass rather than from any real knowledge about this topic, OR, you do have real knowledge about this topic and just demonstrated your personal DISHONESTY which is magnitudes or order worse for your credibility.
BUT THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT THE ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY.
And as for Cannabis...I DO NOT SMOKE THAT SHIT.
Being calm in times as these with psychopaths as you running rampant amongst us will only serve to be counterproductive.
TT - Agustus is an ideologue. He don't need no convincing, so he won't respond to the BBC MSM approved documentary because his warped sense of reality is his most cherished possession. His ideas are wrapped up in his zino-identity-self which is kind of the altar he prays to. His zino-identity-self, being what he considers his highest attribute, supports all lies and any despicable action that can buttress this identity he clings to. These are the shmoes who have usurped the West. While reason, from the stand point of the greater good is useless on him [because the greater good is not something he has any interest in], it is fun to watch you metephorically smack him around and expose the nihlist for what he is.
Yes, Hannibal, trusting Wikipedia is trusting a propaganda battle ground. Relatively neutral issue articles may be O.K. ... However, more controversial topics are proportionately biased.
After watching several dozen documentaries about 9/11/2001, and reading several hundred articles, my conclusions are that 9/11 was an inside job, false flag attack done by Zionists to blame on Muslims. That view is quite consistent with the events surrounding the USS Liberty, especially including that the government of the USA was already so dominated by Zionist interests, even back then, that it was possible to cover up the facts, to the extent that the majority of the American people never became aware of what had really happened.
The British Empire has been thoroughly Zionist since the days when the Rothschilds captured control over the Bank of England. By the time that the international bankers recaptured almost total control of the American economy, whose major milestones were achieved in 1913, the effective Zionist control of the American economy, and then, every other aspect of American life, has been accelerating at an exponential rate.
It is metaphorically correct to trace that at least back to Babylon, in the sense that Neolithic Civilizations were always based on being able to back up lies with violence. Forms of farming had "human farming," or slavery systems, as their foundation. Indeed, the techniques that people who herded animals developed were applied to human herds. The domestication of other animals and plants was first and foremost the domestication of human beings, through systems whereby lies backed by violence enabled some people to control other people.
The situation in America was that Neolithic Civilization invaded from Europe, and was grafted on, after the original American Native cultures were decapitated. American history was relatively interesting to the degree that there were changing waves of people, where the Americans from Europe were able to get relatively free of the old European controls. However, the basic culture was always a social pyramid system. Eventually, the international bankers, mostly European, and Zionist Jews, (although not exclusively, since the ruling classes became hybrids of other previous lines of ruling classes), for more than a Century, have been able to control the USA more and more, as can be seen in the basic social facts regarding who dominates financial affairs, and mass media, etc. ...
The basic structure of social pyramid systems is criminal, in the sense that it is based on being able to back up lies with violence, which became more sophisticated as systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, so that enforced frauds are the foundation of our political economy. (There is no good, commonly understood language to deal with the paradoxes that the biggest criminals control the government!) The more that they are pumped up and UP by advances in science and technology, the more criminally insane they become, especially since those who benefit from those ENFORCED FRAUDS in the short-term have every kind of political advantage within the established systems to continue to be able to do so ... despite that being able to control civilization through backing up legalized lies with legalized violence has the longer term result of driving that civilization to become more and more criminally insane.
The paradox with respect to being RIGHT about that analysis is that being RIGHT makes no difference, because social systems based on backing up lies with violence do NOT CARE about more rational evidence nor logical arguments. Those ONLY CARE about being able to continue to ENFORCE FRAUDS, by being able to back up bigger lies with more violence. Therefore, the ONLY thing that follows from better understanding these kinds of political problems is that the more one knows, the worse it gets!
For thousands of years, Neolithic Civilizations' social pyramid systems have been successfully based on backing up lies with violence, in order to continue to grow an an exponential rate. However, within the lifetime of those alive today that has become globalized systems of electronic frauds, backed by the threat of force from atomic bombs. That is the level of collectively social insanities that we have worked ourselves up into. While our problems became millions, then billions, then trillions of times worse than ever before in human history, the established systems of organized crime, and their controlled opposition, continued to be dominated by professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. The ruling classes and those they ruled over became matching bookends of the prolonged processes of controlling civilization through enforcing frauds.
All the language that they use is based on false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals. Somewhere deeply BURIED UNDER BULLSHIT, are some relatively objective facts, and the unitary mechanisms of general energy systems, however, the social systems are so totally based on being able to continue to back up lies with violence, that those facts have almost no influence upon anything, since enforced frauds are actually controlling civilization.
The overall systems of backing up lies with violence continue to enable attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance to flourish, while our problems are headed towards becoming quadrillions of times worse than ever before in known human history, as long as progress in science and technology continues to be channeled through social pyramid systems whose basic structure is due to being able to back up lies with violence. That has gradually selected for all the most successful people within those established systems, of organized crime and controlled opposition, to become the best available professional hypocrites, so that when they meet to discuss problems there is almost nothing said which is not UTTER BULLSHIT.
There is practically nothing but systems of organized crime and controlled opposition. One of the most dominant organized crime gangs today could be labeled "Zionist," and those are integrated so much into the dominant globalized systems that most Western countries are components of what could be called the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire. THE BASIC SYSTEMS ARE DEBT SLAVERY BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS.
However, there are much deeper problems than "who" does that. After all, every other place in the world has its own kinds of social pyramid systems, which are their own kinds of ways of backing up lies with violence. For instance, Islam, one of the main competitors of the Zionists, is another organized crime gang too.The USS Liberty was an attempted false flag done by Zionist Israel back then to trick America into a war, which did not work because, almost miraculously, the USS Liberty did not sink, and there were survivors. However, the inside job, false flag attacks on 9/11 were way more successful at getting America to launch a series of deceitful wars. Indeed, 9/11 was the most spectacular symbol, so far, about the degree to which runaway wars based on deceits have been "successfully" driven to become self-fulfilling prophesies that have gone out of control.
Indeed, the deeper levels of reality are that human beings and human civilizations operate as entropic pumps of energy flows, which match the principles and methods of organized crime. There is nothing but the dynamic equilibria of different systems of organized lies operating robberies. There is no finite absolute truth, but only relative lies. At the present time, that has become extremely unbalanced, as can be seen in the degree to which Zionists dominate American foreign policy, as well as similar groups dominate domestic policies, all of which are runaway systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which have practically destroyed the rule of law itself, so that it no longer matters that much whether those lies or that violence is properly "legalized" anymore.
The bigger problems are that not only has the runaway triumphs of the best organized gangs of criminals controlling governments driven irreconcilable social polarization, that kind of Neolithic Civilization has also been engaged in irreparable destruction of the natural world. Furthermore, the degree to which there is almost nothing but organized crime and controlled opposition means that it is practically impossible to develop any better dynamic equilibria of the different systems of organized lies operating robberies.
The great paradox has been the success of human beings internalizing natural selection as intelligence, which then enabled the development of cultural artificial selection systems, which were most successfully done through the maximum possible deceits and treacheries. Human intelligence is mostly applied to become better at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, while that human intelligence has enable progress in science and technology, which is still being channeled through social pyramid systems based on backing up lies with violence.
There are no groups of human beings which do not operate as entropic pumps of energy, which means all groups operate through the principles and methods of organized crime. However, those realities have ended up being understood and explained in the maximum possible backward ways, throughout all the dominant natural languages, as well as the dominant philosophy of science. Natural selection always existed, and made human artificial selection systems to become what they are now. However, that has enabled a grand canyon chasm to open up between progress in physical sciences, which had nothing like that happen in political science.
If one studies history, it becomes clear that false flag attacks were very common components of militarism. The USS Liberty was a failed false flag attack, while the events on 9/11, so far, were a spectacularly successful false flag attack. I do not think there can be any reasonable doubt about those facts. However, how to respond to that becomes extremely problematic, since the deeper problems are that human beings actually need to develop radically different cultures of artificial selection systems.
Doing that at the present time appears practically impossible, since there is almost nothing but organized crime and controlled opposition, which in the case of America is clear to anyone willing to look at the social facts. However, precisely because there is almost nothing but controlled opposition, effective change is practically impossible, especially because most people continue to think using the same old false fundamental dichotomies and related impossible ideals.
In that context, most of the people who promote some kind of "revolution" continue to promote bullshit "solutions." It is not enough to denounce the particular groups who act as the currently dominant predatory parasite people. It is not good enough to promote the moralities of the productive prey people. Rather, what we need are enough intellectual scientific revolutions applied to politics that we could use unitary mechanisms to understand human ecologies, in the context of natural ecologies, as well as integrate that into the emerging industrial ecology.
Zionists happen to be one of the most successful organized crime gangs in the world today, as demonstrated by the degree to which they were able to capture control over the government of the USA. However, every other group in the world is also an organized crime gang, or some matching sort of controlled opposition that surrounds that organized crime gang. Meanwhile, the BIG PROBLEM continues to be progress in physical science, without progress in political science. The magnitude of that PROBLEM is awesome, since all the dominant natural languages, and dominant philosophy of science, have that PROBLEM built into their basic structures.
Mostly, an entity like Wikipedia paradoxically promotes the same sets of profound lies, which are the deeper problems, which makes resolving any other problems practically impossible. We continue to have progress in basic sciences, without anything like that happening in social sciences, because the oldest and best developed form of social science and social engineering was warfare, whose successes were based on deceits and treacheries. The fundamental structure of civilization is, and must necessarily be, organized lies operating robberies. However, that has become extremely unbalanced due to the degree that those who were the best at doing that were able to control the opposition, and almost totally dominate the basic language and concepts that almost everyone uses to try to think about those problems.
America, as is the rest of the world, is controlled by systems of lies backed by violence. However, that problem goes way, way beyond and deeper than whomever might happen to be the currently best organized gangs of criminals, that are controlling governments. One can not look up in any encyclopedia, like Wikipedia, the world view that everything, including it, presents systems of lies, whose frequencies were backed by the history of violence. If and when human beings become more scientific about themselves, they will have to go through a series of intellectual scientific revolutions which will be far, far greater than those paradigm shifts which have already occurred in physics and biology, etc. ...
Understanding that the USS Liberty was a failed false flag attack, while 9/11 was a, so far, successful false flag attack, are like anomalies accumulating in the dominant world view. Many people continue to try to deliberately ignore and dismiss those anomalies, as well as all the other anomalies which are accumulating to demonstrate that governments are the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. It causes severe cognitive dissonance suffering to most people to begin to understand those facts. However, beyond facing those facts as isolated anomalies, there is the theoretical task of changing paradigms to some new paradigms that can sustain a political science which is consistent with other sciences, as well as consistently able to cope with those previously anomalous facts.
Too bad, so sad, but one can not look up more radical truths in Wikipedia, since it is a propaganda battleground, which is currently dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit, the same as the mainstream society generally is. Nobody in the established systems, or their controlled opposition groups, is able and willing to face more of the general radical truth about themselves, and therefore, one can not read about that in Wikipedia!
I have said the same thing in far less words many times ,
We all lve in massive illusions and all are simply control mechanisms to control you and your tax dollars to be used against you in myraid of ways everyday !
You gave far more detials but most were not necessary. Although I actually did read the entire thing and agree on nearly all points. If you or anybody else can point me to anything even close to actual evidence of Israel involvement in 9/1 I would appreciate such. I have wondered this myself as it is beyond obvious we do NOT have the truth of the matter and there is more to the real story of who and why ? No doubt it was the pathway to ME war.
I am very concerened we will see a false flag or perhaps a real event that is allowed to happen here in CONTUS so martial law can be installed ? call me crazy , but there are many actual reasons to consider such, that all add up far to conveniently in USSA today !
After watching several dozen documentaries about 9/11/2001, and reading several hundred articles, my conclusions are that 9/11 was an inside job, false flag attack done by Zionists to blame on Muslims.
RadicalMarijuana...Well I am certain that you have invested the same hundreds upon hundreds of hours studying the 9/11 attacks as I have. That Tuesday America was profoundly changed for the worse of all possible outcomes so far. So, of course, it warranted the amount of hours invested.
Now I am not convinced that the Zionists were directly involved. However it is an INDISPUTABLE fact that the Government of Israel had PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE that the attacks were going to take place,,,and failed to do anything to stop them.. The Israeli Government had Mossad Agents, specifically in New York City, on that day, to DOCUMENT THE EVENT...NOT TO STOP THE EVENT.
A Mossad agent boldly told a Late Night Israeli Television Audience as much in one of the largest blunders made by Mossad.
Here is a clip of the INDISPUTABLE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.
http://youtu.be/rStJ5BgadPs?t=6m2s
For what purpose will you be in a place to document an event that you did not know was going to happen?
Now if he had claimed that it was coincidental and that he was in New York City for an absolutely different reason then that would be much different and plausible....BUT HE DID NOT.
But I will be labeled as a Jew Hater because I am a TRUTH LOVER.
Yet I am okay with that. My Boss, the Jewish Carpenter, knows much better. I happen to love my Boss as He celebrates the Truth and frowns upon the iniquity of the evil that men do in His name.
So I cannot make the claim, without any substantiation, that Israel was directly responsible. But they were responsible and complicit in that they knew and then did absolutely NOTHING to stop it.
A chickenshit junks the truth?
He does not respond but since it is an inconvenience he junks it?
Those whom celebrate the lies are incredible beyond words and Yahweh God Almighty will judge you harshly in the name above all names.
A close look at the names of those curiously absent from work that day is really enough evidence.
Correlation is not necessarily causation, and while it it common that correlation and causation are conjoined twins, sometimes that CAN be coincidental. (It is not in this case...but it CAN be. Plausible Deniability.)
But with a Mossad Agent openly admitting it on Late Night TeeVee...There is no doubt whatsoever.
I saw that before Tall Tom.
It tends to be that if one agrees with lies, one gets promoted, while if one does not agree with lies, one gets punished. Many people who appeared to have been extremely incompetent regarding the events on 9/11/2001 tended to have their careers advanced afterwards.
An interesting angle is to look at the public record of who had the power to make sure no proper criminal investigations or court cases were ever allowed to happen in a timely way. There are 2 related conspiracy: one is to commit the acts, and the other to control the investigation afterwards. IT IS EASY TO GET AWAY WITH A CRIME IF ONE CAN CONTROL THE INVESTIGATION AFTERWARDS! There is plenty of public information about who controlled the investigations after 9/11. (There are also lots of interesting indications about how the "news" after the events were spun by the mass media, with the official story set up to be promoted from the moment those events happened.)
9/11 was a multi-leveled affair, involving lots of more or less overlapping interests, whose primary purpose was to advance the basic systems of debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits.
THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF DEVELOPING THE ABILITY TO BACK UP LIES WITH VIOLENCE BEHIND 9/11, AS WELL AS BEHIND THE EARLIER USS LIBERTY EVENTS: ENFORCING FRAUDS ON EXPONENTIAL GROWTH CURVES!
I saw that before Tall Tom.
Are you certain that you saw it before me? ;-)
(As the case of the missing comma goes unsolved...)
I am certain that you have seen it, Radical Marijuana. I do not picture you as one who is sleeping, having eyes closed tight.
I just wrote that I am not certain that it was completely a Mossad Op.
Yet inaction can be as damaging, if not more damaging, than any action. This is not always the case. But it can be.
I think every intelligence agency on the planet knew about it. The Germans said $15B was made that day in the markets on those anomallous trades. Somebody should ask Jim Rickards about that sometime but I don't think he'll answer that one.
In any case there was no way this attack could have been pulled off successfully without the complete co-operation of the major agencies. I hope Bandar gets a subpeona in that civil suit going on...
I read my 6th grade kid's geography/ social studies textbook, the part on the Middle East......it was pathetic how they have spun and twisted the story. Sickening.
"Indeed, President Lyndon Johnson dispatched nuclear-armed fighter jets to drop nuclear bombs on Cairo, Egypt. They were only recalled at the last minute, when Johnson realized that it was the Israelis – and not the Egyptians – who had fired on the Liberty."
Since when does America attack a country with nuclear weapons over a ship that was attacked by a known or unknown foe?
That's not SOP or Vietnam would have gone nuclear immediately upon the fraudulent Gulf of Tonkin incident.
Nope... Johnson was in it up to his neck alright... he just wasn't able to pull the trigger for Israel when the distress calls were picked up by the US navy and too many people knew of the Israeli attack.
As for the targeting of Cairo... they likely wanted the pan-arab nationalist Nasser dead more than anything...
As you probably already know, ZeroOhead:
President Lyndon Johnson was President BECAUSE he agreed to go along with the cover-up of the assassination of President Kennedy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM
JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man’s Trick
I think you'll love this documentary... (some parts with Turkish in it) about the common origin of most of the world's religions, Abrahamic, Mesopotamian, Egyptian and Indian (gods icons customs etc.) at a site called Gobeklitepe in modern Turkey some 12,000 years ago.
It was the worlds first known temple in the pre-agricultural times of the last hunter-gatherer societies... (so religion came before agriculture!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3IF5K5QDL8
I am a big fan of the neolithic BTW...
I have watched shorter documentaries about that, but I had never seen that one before. I will see if I can find the time to watch it latter. These days I am pretty well 100% convinced that there were some advanced ancient civilizations, from before 10,000 years ago, which were almost totally wiped out.
The problem with the Neolithic is that it came as a package deal since the domestication of animals and plants went along with the domestication of human beings, mostly in the form of slavery. We are still in that social pyramid style of civilization, only with way more sophisticated systems of slavery. The current ruling classes have become more criminally insane than an ordinary individual can comprehend, since the ruling classes started the "war on terror" through false flag attacks that have become runaway self-fulfilling prophesies.
The "war on drugs" was similar, although less than the "war on terror." But nevertheless, I think that the single simplest symbol and most extreme particular example of the general pattern of facts is cannabis. Hemp is the single best plant on the planet for people, for food, fiber, fun and medicine. It was one of the earliest cultivated plants, finding major roles in the agriculture that was the energetic core of the Neolithic Revolutions. However, cultivating cannabis became completely criminalized for decades, demonstrating a way in which Neolithic Civilizations have become runaway criminal insanities.
All you people are crazy. In 1967 the North Vietmanese where blowing up Americans daily, and yet Johnson did not nuke Hanoi. In 1968, the North Koreans attacked and captured a similar vessle, the Pueblo, and yet, Johnson did not drop atomic bombs on them either. No one in their right mind would start a nuclear war over such incidents. Really, you folks here are certifiable. Where do you get this stuff?
"In 1967 the North Vietmanese where blowing up Americans daily..."
Stupid fucking idiot. Do you not understand that "Americans" were invaders, trespassers and aggressors? The North Vietnamese people were doing precisely what you would do if a burglar broke into your home - defend themselves and their family by any means possible. Whatever deaths that were sustained by the American military was brought on by their actions. And I'm a Vietnam vet by the way. Biggest mistake of my life.
rubicon,
You are the stupid idiot.
The North Vietnamese were doing exactly what every totalitarian communist government does, conquor a neighbor and make pesants of them all. Uncle Ho should have been bombed to hell and finished the operation. Typical communist operation when the US left. Kill 3.000,000 in the south of Vietnam and devestate Cambodia with that slaughter.
Democrats in Congress abandonded the south and the communists, supported by China, over ran and enslaved the country.
Sorry, but you need a refresher course in history.
Uncle Ho began fighting to liberate VN from the Japanese in 1941. After WW2, France returned to claim their former colony. Ho originally wanted to be America's friend in the 40's, and hoped we would help him throw off the yoke of French Imperialism. We rebuked him and drove him into the arms of the Soviets and the Chinese for assistance. He then kicked the shit out of the French.
http://pictureshistory.blogspot.com/2010/07/battle-of-dien-bien-phu.html
We began meddling in Vietnamese affairs soon after the French pulled out in the mid 50's. We stirred the pot, supporting regime change in the South, and ran clandestine operations for a decade before the war got hot after the Gulf of Tonkin false flag incident.
http://fair.org/media-beat-column/30-year-anniversary-tonkin-gulf-lie-la...
It was our 'secret' bombing campaign of Cambodia under Nixon/Kissinger that laid the ground work for the Pol Pot regime to take over in Cambodia, a truly mad leader who did unspeakable harm to the country.
http://rabble.ca/toolkit/on-this-day/us-secret-bombing-cambodia
You, sir Augustus, are a brainwashed tool.
for those who post ZH is anti jew..well sure there is that. but then I think truth is what is important otherwise we are eyes wide shut in our view of the events and the world. (truth can be very hard to find and then accept).
some small truths that might indicate a problem with our jewish members:
1. how many jews have run the Fed in last 40 yrs? do you support what the fed has done?
2.how many MSM - you know newspapers, TV and movies (admitted by most as biased and untrustworthy) are run by jews? how many international banks and wall street firms are run or headed by them? robert Rubin ring a bell?
3. How many jews are lawyers and judges and pols and breaucrats at high levels? yet we hate the fruits of these people and the loss of freedom they have caused.
4. a lot of jews are great doctors and scientists and we are lucky to have that (aside from globull warming)
5. Jews seem able to reach high positions in society, and if you bemoan what our society has become, who should you blame? the amish?
Yep, and least we forget, we were lied into war then, too, as Gulf of Tonkin naval incident was yet another false flag....and under Johnson.
Lest we forget...Key words.
Those whom fail to LEARN the lessons from the history of the past are doomed to repeat them in the future.
People just fail to LEARN and that is the reason for today's predicament.
Where do you get this stuff?
The BBC, in this following Documentary, who is interviewing people whom were involved...like Mike Ratigan who prepared the ready aircraft for launch off of the deck of the USS America for the retailiatory strike against Cairo. Ready aircraft do mean Nuclear Armed Aircraft. The USA did not protest this broadcast as inaccurate by any means, shape or form. And since the BBC, as well as most domestic Mass Media sources are CIA controlled this was not only cleared by the British Censors but also cleared through the American Censors.
http://youtu.be/kjOH1XMAwZA?t=24m
But perhaps the BBC is not Mainstream enough for your tastes...But you can live in your fantasy if you please. Do not allow me to disturb your sleep with the facts.
What is even sadder is that linked video was included within the article on this page. You, ChickenshitRobin, who will not even post a reply, cannot use the excuse that the facts of this matter were not demonstrated as all it took was a click on the YouTube video link on this page. Your assertion is out of INTENTIONAL IGNORANCE. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
And if you care to debate whether or not the Mass Media, both foreign and domestic, is controlled by our CIA then you may need to refresh your memory about the US Senate Church Committee meeting and hear the CIA admit to this in open and public hearings in 1975.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ED63A_hcd0
Go back to your Israeli Dorm as you have other homework to do, troll.
I awarded you a rare downarrow from me.
Now back to mixing my plastic with some gasoline...
Please keep lying and give me even more incentive to turn your World into a fiery Hell...
Tall Tom:
The degree to which Zionism and the highest levels of the US government overlap make them be totally entangled. A lot of the most significant people are dual American Israel citizens, and moreover, consider that the current Vice President Biden has stated that "one did not have to be Jewish to be a Zionist, and that he considered himself one."
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2010/03/biden-you-dont-have-to-be-jewis...
Indeed, there are a relatively large number of people that I would describe as Crazy Christian Zionists. Not all Jews are Zionists, and Not all Zionists are Jews. (The same applies to banksters, etc. ...) Without first-hand knowledge is is hard to tell who is an insider, and to what degree and who is not. There are many different shades of grey between the organized crime gangs and their controlled opposition groups!
In that context, I am NOT asserting that 9/11 "was completely a Mossad Op." Instead, it is my opinion that former Vice-President Cheney was crucial to enabling the 9/11 events to happen. There are lots of overlapping interests between the pyramidion people, who may cooperate with each other. Different organized crime gangs can swing back and forth between cooperating and competing with each other. Although I have NO inside knowledge, I would expect that the highest levels of the Anglo-American secret police, including Mossad, have a substantially agreed upon agenda, while enabling 9/11 to happen advanced that agenda significantly.
Furthermore, there were way more people out of the loop, than the relatively small number inside the loop. For instance, it is one of my personal opinions, based on looking at the available information, and my intuition, that Colin Powell was NOT one of the insiders. He was somewhat associated with that group, but, I feel he was not a member of the inner clique. It was like he was at the party, but was not invited into the most important backrooms were things were decided, but rather was relatively duped too.
I rather like the saying that: "The lies are different at every level." I believe that everyone has gotten lost in the maze of almost infinite tunnels of deceits, in the sense that I do not believe that anyone knows the whole truth, and that nobody will ever be able to discover the whole truth. There are lots of reasonable debates about exactly who did what on 9/11. However, the public consequences, namely, starting more genocidal wars, and preparing to impose democidal martial law, were the indubitable effects. It is most reasonable to assume that those who made 9/11 happen were planning on causing what actually happened afterwards ...
However, overall, I still think that the relative success of backing up deceits with destruction, and enforced frauds, is rushing into the paradox of final failure from too much of that kind of "success." Starting more genocidal wars, and preparing to impose democidal martial law, has enabled debt insanities to be on the verge of provoking death insanities. I do not think that anybody is able to fully comprehend what is happening anymore, and so, there is nobody who is able to control what is going to happen!
Not all Jews are Zionists, and Not all Zionists are Jews.
I have penned that line myself on many occasions here on ZH.
I do understand what you wrote and I guess I misunderstood your post below. I really cannot agree with you more.
And your most poignant line, in this post, a harbinger of doom of sorts, is your valid conclusion.
I do not think that anybody is able to fully comprehend what is happening anymore, and so, there is nobody who is able to control what is going to happen!
The ship was flying an American flag yet it was attacked for hours.
They had telephones back then. Explain that.