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Fighting Rages After Ukraine "Ceasefire" Deal; Ukraine Ultranationalist Leader Rejects Peace Agreement
After a marathon all night drafting session, if not the world, then certainly its stock markets, were delighted by yesterday's early morning news that a second Ukraine ceasefire had been signed in the Belarus capital of Minsk, with the thinking (among algos perhaps, if not so much humans) that this time may be different and that following the failed Minsk I agreement in September, peace would miraculously break out. Humans were, for the most part far less enthused about said possibility, recalling how time after time 2014 saw countless "ceasefires", only to be breached within days if not hours.
It was the humans then who were not surprised by today's news that 2 days before the latest ceasefire deal is said to go into effect on Sunday, that "Ukraine and Russian-backed rebels fought fiercely across the east of the country on Friday."
A ceasefire is due to come into effect from Sunday under the agreement, which also envisages a withdrawal of the heavy weapons responsible for many of the 5,000 casualties in the conflict that broke out almost a year ago. Kiev said pro-Russian rebels had built up their forces across separatist-held zones since the deal and both sides accused each other of killing civilians.
Two people were killed and six wounded when a shell hit a cafe in the Kiev-controlled town of Shchastya near rebel-held Luhansk in eastern Ukraine, a local official said, adding that other shells had struck elsewhere in the town.
"The town's heating system is broken, power lines are damaged as well as the water supply ... So this is how a comprehensive ceasefire is prepared for," the head of the Kiev-controlled administration, Hennadiy Moskal, said online.
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Outgoing fire from the Ukrainian side was visible on the road between Kiev-controlled Kramatorsk and rebel-held Donetsk and rebels at a checkpoint near Donetsk said they had been hit by mortar strikes. They mocked the impending truce.
"What sort of ceasefire? Don’t make me laugh. This is already the second or third ceasefire," one said.
There is still hope that on Sunday morning things will be different.
Of course, if one believes the local press, they won't be: according to Ukraine media which cited Deputy Defense Minister Petro Mekhed, "more than 10,000 representatives of Russia are in Ukraine today." It is unclear if "representatives" is comparable to the US army "trainers" sent to lecture what's left of Ukraine's soldiers on how to become more efficient killing machines.
And yet, one element that is certain to undermine any deal, in addition to the now usual suspects because after all this is a proxy civil war with far greater geopolitical interests involved, is Ukraine’s ultranationalistic Right Sector, whose leader Dmitry Yarosh today said his radical movement rejects the Minsk peace deal and that their paramilitary units in eastern Ukraine will continue “active fighting" according to their "own plans."
The notorious ultranationalist leader published a statement on his Facebook page Friday, saying that his radical Right Sector movement doesn’t recognize the peace deal, signed by the so-called 'contact group' on Thursday and agreed upon by Ukraine, France, Germany and Russia after epic 16-hour talks.
Yarosh claimed that any agreement with the eastern militia, whom he calls “terrorists,” has no legal force.
In his statement, Yarosh claimed that that the Minsk deal is contrary to Ukraine’s constitution, so Ukrainian citizens are not obliged to abide by it. Thus if the army receives orders to cease military activity and withdraw heavy weaponry from the eastern regions, the Right Sector paramilitaries, who are also fighting there “reserve the right” to continue the war, he said.
The Right Sector paramilitary organization continues to deploy its combat and reserve units, to train and logistically support personnel, while coordinating its activities with the military command of the Ukrainian army, paramilitary units of the Defense Ministry and the Interior Ministry, he said.
But don't despair: all a failed ceasefire means is that stocks, which will forget to selloff once the ceasefire is violated this weekend but were quick to surge on the "good news", will surge again and again, as futures "ceasefires" are signed in the coming months. As for them actually being implemented, well nobody ever said algos cares about anything more than the headline.
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This is what happens when other people negotiate on your behalf without your input or consent.
?but we have a signed document..... Cnbc says
Sounds like US democracy to me...
I think you mean USSA fascism masquerading as democracy, to fool the American Sheeple into sending billions in weapons and money , making the MIC richer. Meanwhile the homeland infrastructures deteriorates, freedoms are abrogated by the war against terror, and the defictit and debt explodes.
I thought that the agreement said it was OK to keep killing until the 15th.
And like the last free Costco meat-a-ball, it's gone!
pods
Merkel is pissed. She wasted 17 hours in a meeting that was completely fruitless. That woman is no Hitler and Putin is no Stalin. Otherwise we'd have a deal by now.
What's a german too do?
What debt? /s
isn't this terrorism?
The ceasefires kept lasting a shorter and shorter amount of time. Now the ceasefires end before they even begin =)
Does a lie about a lie make a truth?
After you watch your friends get killed for a cause they thought was important it's hard to just say, "Yea fuck it, some politicians signed a peace treaty so let's go home."
The Right Sector militia is made up of sub-human homicidal maniacs. There is no reasoning with this mindset.
It is best if they are liquidated as quickly as possible, using whatever weapons it requires to do so.
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That pretty much describes half of our leaders. They have so much in common the same solution may be inevitable in the long run.
Send in the Daleks to exterminate the Right Sector goons.
Knuks, nobody asked him what HE thought of the deal.
What deal ?
Kiev has broken every agreement so far, this one will be no different.
Ceasefire; That magical time when both sides are reloading.
Kiev has no power over Nuland's Nazis.
What he thought was pretty clear when he setup an alternate command structure and integrated 17 NG battalions in addition the the RS groups.
The war in Donbass may continue and it may not. What to watch for is a second civil war between Right Sector and Kiev (Poro).
Coincidentally, there are 17 NG (Nazi Goon) battalions working for Kolomoisky.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/minsk-2-is-over-before-it-began-17....
Just call them Grogan's Heroes.
Who's He? I thought that He was there. Oh, you mean Barry? No, that's right, he was in East Buttfuck NJ speaking on #dontshootmyhandsaresjustcrstchingmynuts.
Gotcha
Knuckles. Oh shit! Thanks for the Friday laugh!
Hmmm kinda sounds like fast track authority to 'negotiate' the TPP...
This is what happens when sub-human, barbaric Nazi serial mass-murderers are expected to conform to basic humanitarian principles.
Vickie, you and Barrack, Hilliary, John K and John McC, the Deep State, the ECB, the EU, and rest of that ilk unleashed this Crime Against Humanity; may they all swing together in the gallows.
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That would be a great day for America and the world...
"Dead" on...... Wish I could laugh at this but Nazism/Fascism isn't funny. IMO the entire Beltway along with Brussels in the EU are Nazi's.
How did this happen?
Read the Power Elite by C Wright Mills and his related commentary concerning Franz Neuman's book Behemouth.
I had a feeling they were there but kept a low profile?!!!..
OMG, William, that looks like a promo poster for an update/reboot of the Residents' Third Reich & Roll album!
You are pushing me, man.
I might have to make another shitty low budget movie if this keeps up...
I get so upset when I look back at the 2008 election and think about how bad Obama has been, and think, my alternate choice is this sick fucker MCCain?!
I can't believe it, but if it was 2008 again I would still take the phony negroe over the death dealing dinosaur (Paul never had a chance, just like Perot or any other 3rd party candidate)
I find it hard to believe you would think there's any difference between whichever puppet ascends to the throne given your user name.
Besides, Obummer's been able to deal out far more death than McStain could've ever gotten away with, as he would've had to deal with protests by the lefties who are so eerily silent while supporting their Nobel Prize winning 'leader.'
I've always found you can't trust anyone who has the corners of their mouth pointing downwards, it's never failed me.
...and what's with Victoria Nuland's perpetually arched right eyebrow? It's dang weird and downright creepy.
That's her eternal "Fuck the EU" resting bitch face.
But you can trust Angela. To kill you from behind.
"This is what happens when other people negotiate on your behalf without your input or consent. "
You mean they have a representative democracy?
How many foreign wars are they waging and how many trillions in debt has the present administration put on the people's credit card?
They are all lieing. There is an encirclement in the Donbass called Debaltsevo Cauldren. Thousands of Ukrainian troops are trapped and the rebels are squeezing them. Poroshenko is in denial. Some of those trapped may likely be American Mercs. If they are caught they will be executed. Here you will see his real mootives.
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/poroshenko-reveals-true-nature-of...
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Please, please, please make it a public hanging in the town square.
right if your are going to negotiate a ceasefire, Nulan, McCain, Both Bidens. Poland, Canada, UK,Hungary and everyone else who have provided equipment, mercenaries and advisors need to be present to negotiate with Russia the DNI and LC in the next ceasfire meeting in Berlin or Cordova Spain or Mexico city. otherwise it aint over on the Eastern Front till its ova.
You idiots in Fashington are really serious about taking on Russia and China? Keep escalating INsanity. Not my kids brotha, FUCk and YOU
So NOW they want to abide by the Ukraine constitution....what about that freely elected government coup....is that part of the Constituional process in Ukraine?.?.
Translated by Kristina Rus
RIGA, 12 Feb – RIA Novosti.
Defense Minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic Vladimir Kononov said that 17 territorial battalions involved in the fighting in the South-East of Ukraine pulled out of control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and went under the control of the Right Sector.
http://www.degaray.com/?p=4967
This agreement will only be worth something if it is written on TP.
These "Chamberlin" meetings offer nice sex parties afterwards... other than that, no reason to attend
Had the very same thoughts over the last several days. Not the sex parties, but more "Chamberlin" moments.
Precisely.
Same vapid horseshit
Chamberlain did what he was told to do. The "threat" of fascims and WW2 hadn't fully emerged by then. Same people that financed Hitler made sure the Brits would do their part, which in the case of Chamberlain was NOTHING.
The first mistake was made when the artificial state "Ukraine" was created. Originally it was created as a buffer between Germany/Austria and Russia and the bolshewiks were stupid enough to keep it
The second mistake, mistake #2 was not to break this artifical state up in pieces after the collapse of the SU. In the meantime sub-mistake #2a was comitted in the 60ies by transferring the historically and ethnically Russian crimea to Ukraine by Krushchev
The third mistake, mistake #3 was made when the democratically elected government of Ukraine ws overthrown and replaced with a US puppet junta.
What happens now is the uncoordinated and uncontrollable unwinding of mistake #1 and mistake #2 triggered by mistake #3.
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Now I hope the real Russian Army steamrolls over Ukraine, takes Kiev, let the people hang the US puppet Porkyshenko and line up all these Banderist Nazis for a firing squad!!
Why do I think the DNR/LNR militias would *love* to have a go at the skinheads?
But the Right Sector will be more tempted to attack Kiev before Donetsk.
So the coup countdown begins.
I am sure the guy got off a conference call with Soros and Obama before he said that. A pallet of 100 dollar bills is about to be airdropped to his bunker any time now.
Well, that didnt last long.
Problem always is that nazis and blackwater are never consulted.
Seriously, did anybody really believe that peace would break out?
" Yarosh claimed that any agreement with the eastern militia, whom he calls “terrorists,” has no legal force"
This Nazi has a very loose definition of 'legal' after assisting in a coup.
Yarosh and ukrainian oligarch Khomolosky organize and run right sector militia .
That's one big cock
Ihor Kolomoisky lives!...
Believe it's time for Russia to reach out to Mr. Tsipras with that financial aid package he'll be needing right about now, and while "they are at it"...
Line up those "euro trash" boats and planes filled with Russian Jews with a one way ticket for Tel Aviv!
Let's see how Israel and the U.S. likes refugees on the doorstep like we've been dishing out everyplace else we've created them in the ME and Ukraine?!!!
So, how will the MSM spin this
in order to blame the cease-fire failure on Putin?
Meanwhile:
US Army General Ben Hodges confirmed that a battalion of US ground troops will be heading to Ukraine in March to train Ukrainian soldiers to fight against “Russian and rebel” forces.
http://news.antiwar.com/2015/02/11/us-army-to-train-ukrainian-soldiers-t...
heh Poroshenko is in exactly the situation he deserves.
Will he be hanged by the Novorossians, or will he be hanged by the Neo-Nazis? Must be the question on his mind whenever he shuffles into bed every night.
Sounds like Kiev is losing control.
The ceasefire doesn't begin until the 15th..
This is what really took place at Minsk:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/russian-fifth-column-panics-over-pu...
And a slightly different take that has the ring of truth to it:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/notes-on-normandy-4-meeting-in-mins...
Questan1913: The wording of the Minsk2 agreement is at first glance more favourable for the Ukraine than for the separatists. The conclusions in the first of the cited blogs are not really confirmed by the wording of the agreement, it is at least to be considered as one-sided interpretation. There is much discussion about Putin in the media including interpretation of body language and the discussion of purported diseases - that is all CIA crap and I have never read something comparable about Obama in the russian press. Lets take the man by what he said, i.e. he is respecting the territorial integrity of Ukraine (except for the crimean peninsula) if Ukraine does not become a NATO member and adopts a federal structure. The military forces in the aera are under the command of medieval war captains and it is unclear if they could be disciplined. Please watch the BBC report about the killing of ukrainian policeman by Maidan revolutionary forces just before the putsch occured
Correct. No cease fire until Sunday night. Until then the front lines are fluid.
Fighting is around Debalzewe which is a crucial corridor between two areas the separatists need to conquer and establish.
Think it's safe to say that $17 billion aid promised to Ukraine earlier in the week has got some "air" in it?
http://qz.com/343660/ukraine-is-heading-for-a-total-economic-collapse/
Putin showed up because he has to be seen willing to negotiate peace, and be willing to give ground. Why Germany and France think they can negotiate without their leader, the USA, is a bit odd. They tried this before in the 90's with Yugoslavia. Peace was negotiated by Europeans but the USA quickly stepped in to torpedo it by arming and encouraging their allies in Yugoslavia to launch major wars. The Europeans looked like fools after all their hard work, the USA walking right in and made the agreements just worthless bits of paper. Check the history, you will see this is fact, and the USA does not deny in anyway they THEY ran the wars in Yugoslavia.
So I expect the Kiev Right Sector Fascists, who are directly allied with the CIA and State department to play the role of spoliers, and take American money and arms and launch further war in the East. A direct repeat of Yugoslav conflict. Putin is more aware of this than me! So he was playing his role, showing the world he will talk peace, and even give ground, knowing all along the USA will torpedo any peace. It's about his image in EUROPE that he is allowing himself to negotiate.
The war is in full gear right now. Kiev needs a Cease Fire to rescue it's trapped army in Debaltsvo [5-8 thousand], it needs a cease fire to call up another draft and train them. It needs a cease fire to acquire more armor from Eastern Europe, paid for by the USA. Serbia just sent 400 tanks! Paid for by Washington. And they need a cease fire to deal with Junta members not in full support of the war. The need a cease fire to track down 10 of thousands of draft dodgers, and to train the new recruits.
Kiev needs a cease fire from now until May 1st. On that day, with American money and arms, they should be ready to relaunch a genreal offensive.
So why does Putin permit it? No matter how clever a trap he sets, he's still allowing men to needlessly die in that general offensive when the Novorossians could march to the Dnieper right now. Who cares what the Eurofags think? When have they ever been in a position to prevent a preventable US attack on something?
Novorossians don't want to advance into the Western Ukrainian territories. They will be seen as occupants there, the same as the Right Sector nazies occupying their land.
Unfortunately, though the Novorussians have shown a good fight, there are just not enough of them for a full scale offensive at this point - which is why they are currently mobilising 100,000 more. Not certain they can get that many, but they will try.
Yes, they are facing a huge army, no matter how incompetent, they are large and heavily armed. Just in the last 24 hours Kiev launched an attack with 800 elite troopers, just trained by US and Polish military, and 40 modern tanks at the rebels positions holding closed the Debaltso pocket. This was a dangerous attack, the rebels fought on and burnt the last two tanks only feet from their defensive line. The attack was stopped with mass losses in the Ukrainian 800 man force, but rebels suffered heavy losses too, owing to artillery cover, tank fire and determined infantry attacks.
From what rebel leaders say, this forces has been under US and Polish military command and trainers for weeks now, preparing to lauch a decisive break through. Rebels only just defeated the attack. At great cost.
So no, the rebels can't march outside of Donbass, they have a large dangerous enemy at their door step.
Putin is former KGB. He knows how to play the game, and rolling into Ukraine right now would be knowingly stepping into a trap set by the US. Look at what the west is saying about Crimea and compare that to how it actually went down. What do you think we'd do if several divisions of Russians rolled into Kiev? If Russia actually does this, watch out, because there's a very good chance that shit is about to get real.
Yep, the day Putin falls into this trap is the day Obummer gets to give his version of FDR's "Pearl Harbor" speech.
While what is going on in Ukraine is truly sad (as well as despicable), it exists only to create a trigger-point to a much wider conflict, all in defense of the current western empire. Any effort to fix Ukraine will result in world-wide destruction.
Which, of course, has been the plan all along, as they only know one thing, how to conduct a hostage stand-off.
"Do as I say, and nobody gets hurt!"
And Russia is currently taking a course of action that is harsh: "Fuck you, shoot the hostage." They got their warm water port, and I don't expect them to step into Ukraine unless their options are severely limited. I just hope that Russia understands that our sheep here can be duped into supporting a war without really understanding what it means and that our neocons are insane enough to think that a nuclear war is winnable.
Come on Americans go home, care for your starving citizens (50 million on food stamps) and leave us Europeans alone
These international adventures are designed to keep American's attention OFF their starving population....besides, it is far more important to support the troops than worry about your starving family, yes?
??? Serbia??? Link please?
Surplus to requirements Jack, Kiev will not allow armed rebels to consolidate the theft if Ukrainian territory in Russian hands. The US will facilitate this Ukrainian priority simply because the US and Germany and pretty much the whole of Europe are determined that sovereign recognized territories will remain in Merkel's terms, "inviolate". So there is no US torpedoing, they all agree on that principle being the end-point.
The question is what the rebels will decide politically, given they have been on the offensive but it takes leadership to recognize this is not settled and far from over. So their leaders have to decide if they want a much worse and much longer devastating war, or a much better alternative future with no war.
Who knows what Right Sector will do? Certainly no one on the internet knows. Too much baloney, relying on internet rumors and claims is not even worth considering. I would only comment that given the rebel advances, I would not be surprised Ukrainian volunteers want to take them apart. Wouldn't you?
So if the rebels want to play hardball now and not withdraw it will indeed be combat in Spring.
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RE your Yugoslav comments of the US 'running' those wars, I've never read anything like that and don't have even a clue what you refer to. I paid close attention to those conflicts as they were occurring, and never detected anything like what you're saying. I don't know how you can be so positive about that. And I would expect the US to not be trying to deny something that, as far as I can tell, never even happened. It was however the first in the resulting series of wars that the US participated in for reasons that were not directly infringing on vital US interests - the first of the 'optional' wars that followed, that were engaged in for purely ad-hoc, highly dubious, or else simply false reasons.
Is Ukraine one of those optional conflicts? Not if violating sovereign territorial borders leads to numerous similar border battles breaking out everywhere thereafter, if its not challenged and stopped now. And all of NATO do think its that critical that this stops now, so not an optional conflict if the peace agreement continues to degrade. Which invites actions that will degrade it, of course.
Quite a mess both sides have made.
Warren Zimmermann played an active diplomatic and geopolitical role during the initial stages of the Bosnian War.
According to Robert W. Tucker, Professor Emeritus of American Foreign Policy at Johns Hopkins University and David C. Hendrickson, a Professor at Colorado College, Zimmerman may have scuttled the Lisbon Agreement also known as Carrington-Cutileiro peace plan. This was an agreement that would have made peace between three main ethnicities, Muslims, Serbs, and Croats, living within the bounds of Bosnia and Herzegovina by the creation of a cantons system, such as exist in Switzerland. At a time when Bosnia-Herzegovina was sliding into war along ethnic lines, this plan proposed ethnic power-sharing on all administrative levels and the devolution of central government to local ethnic communities. On 28 March 1992, ten days after the agreement had been signed by each of the three sides, Zimmermann came to Sarajevo to meet with Alija Izetbegovic, leader of the Bosnian Muslims, giving Izetbegovic assurances of U.S. support for a full independent nation without internal division. Within days of meeting Zimmermann, Izetbegovi? withdrew his signature and renounced the peace plan he agreed to in Lisbon, suddenly declaring his opposition to any type of ethnic division of Bosnia. Within weeks a full blown war developed in Bosnia.
Does that constitute the USA "running" those wars? Clearly it doesn't.
It appears to be typical diplomatic back and forth, swapping of ideas on how to proceed and avoid a wider more protracted conflict. I can perfectly understand that many people would have been against further fracturing (can we call it Balkanization) of Bosnia. How would that produce anything but a failed state and feuding fiefdoms? It may look great in some anarchists dream but I'd say the current Bosnian outcome is a fair bit better for all concerned.
how about a link on the 400 tanks??
Looks like on Feb 16 Merkel and Hollande will know (again) their level of power.
Poroshenko will be another Ukrainian president who lives abroad if he survives another few months.
There are thousands of the Right Sector combatants in Kiev. They will impeach him soon for his peaceful negotiations.
So... which CIA aligned oligarch owns them?
Peace in our time
Ceasefire?
Well that escalated fast.
Let's get this party started.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/13/kiev-missile-nuked-donetsk/
As George Costanza says, "it’s not a lie if you believe it".
Cossacks serve only sovereign Great Russia along with every other Cossack host whether they be Don, Kuban, Kalmyk and so on. Not one Cossack host will ever fight for Ukraine. The Cossacks living in eastern Ukraine are loyal only to Russia and will fight for her alone. They sent militias to fight alongside the Russian forces during the Georgian war and they even killed Ukrainians fighting as mercenaries for Georgia. Most Cossacks living in Ukraine wish to enter the Cossack units in the Russian army like the Kuban Cossacks do. Cossacks living in Ukraine will even fight against Ukraine if Russia needed them to.
Another reason why no cease-fire is possible.
Both the Ultra-Nationalist Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are still determined to fight. Each has a boatload of lies to sell about why they are invincible, why they are the great shining white knights and the other side are universally sub-human bad guys.
Until that changes, until they realize that there are no winners in war, only degrees of loss, there is no hope for peace.