Fourth Turning: The Shadow Of Crisis Has Not Passed - Part 4

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Submitted by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog,

In Part One of this article I explained the model of generational theory as conveyed by Strauss and Howe in The Fourth Turning. In Part Two I provided an overwhelming avalanche of evidence this Crisis has only yet begun, with debt, civic decay and global disorder propelling the world towards the next more violent phase of this Crisis. In Part Three I addressed how the most likely clash on the horizon is between the government and the people. War on multiple fronts will thrust the world through the great gate of history towards an uncertain future.

War on Multiple Fronts

“The risk of catastrophe will be very high. The nation could erupt into insurrection or civil violence, crack up geographically, or succumb to authoritarian rule. If there is a war, it is likely to be one of maximum risk and effort – in other words, a total war. Every Fourth Turning has registered an upward ratchet in the technology of destruction, and in mankind’s willingness to use it.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning

The drumbeats of war are pounding. Sanctions are implemented against any country that dares question American imperialism (Russia, Iran). Overthrow and ignominious imprisonment or death awaits any foreign leader questioning the petrodollar or standing in the way of America spreading democracy (Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Egypt). The mega-media complex of six corporations peddle the government issued pabulum about ISIS being an existential threat to our freedoms; Russia being led by the new Hitler and poised to take over Europe; Syria gassing innocent women and children; and Iran only six months away from a nuclear bomb (they’ve been six months away for the last fourteen years). Hollywood does their part with patriotic drivel like American Sniper, designed to compel low IQ unemployed American youths to swell with pride and march down to enlistment centers, located in our plentiful urban ghettos.

The most disconcerting aspect of Fourth Turnings is they have always climaxed with total destructive all-out war. Not wars to enrich arms dealers like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, but incomprehensibly violent, brutal, wars of annihilation. There are clear winners and losers at the conclusion of Fourth Turning wars. Leaders mobilize all forces, refuse to compromise, define their enemies in moral terms, demand sacrifice on the battlefield and home front, build the most destructive weapons imaginable, and employ those weapons to obtain victory at any cost.

It may seem inconceivable that war on such a scale will happen within the next ten years, but it was equally inconceivable in 1936 that 65 million people would die in the next ten years during World War II. We valued all the wrong things and made all the wrong choices leading up to this Crisis and during the early stages of this Crisis. The accumulation of unmet obligations, unpaid bills, un-kept promises and unresolved issues will provide the fuel for an upheaval that will shake our society to its core and transforms the country’s direction for the next sixty years. The outcome of the conflict could be tragedy or triumph. Our choices will make a difference.

There will be war on many fronts, and they have already begun. The culmination will likely be World War III, with the outcome highly uncertain and potentially disastrous.


Currency war

With the world awash in sovereign debt, as governments have over-promised welfare benefits, every country is attempting to debase their currency in order to make their debt load bearable. There is one problem with this approach. If every country is implementing the same strategy, it becomes a race to the bottom. Japan is leading the race and is the most likely candidate to cause a catastrophic collapse in the global financial system. The EU and their negative interest rate strategy is crushing the Euro, but not addressing the solvency issue at the heart of the bank-centric European mad experiment.

The depression engulfing Japan, the recession overwhelming Europe, and the rapidly deflating Chinese mal-investment bubbles have dramatically reduced demand for oil, copper, and iron ore. The collapse in demand for oil has caused the currencies of Russia, Venezuela, Mexico and Brazil to plunge. Argentina, Turkey and the Ukraine risk hyperinflation, as their economies are basket cases. The result of rapidly declining currencies is more pain and suffering for the middle and lower classes. As prices rise for food, energy and essentials, the peasants get restless. This leads to anger, extremist parties gaining traction, and ultimately revolution.

Since the end of World War II, the U.S. dollar has been the currency in which all world trade has been conducted. The global oil trade has been settled in dollars. American economic warfare aggression against Russia, China, Iran, and other developing countries has pushed them into closer economic cooperation. The dollar’s domination days are numbered. The current strength of the dollar is only a reflection of the U.S. being the best looking horse in the glue factory. The U.S. economy is the least worst, but will not be de-coupling from the global downturn. The movement of physical gold from West to East is a reflection of a shift in power. U.S. mega-corporations, who get half their profits overseas, face the double whammy of slowing demand and a stronger dollar. The combination will crush their profits and contribute to the coming stock market crash. When Greece exits the EU, the currency wars may lead to real war in Europe.

Class war

As Warren Buffett admitted in an oligarch momentary lapse into truthiness:

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” – Warren Buffett

The meme driving the OWS protests was the 1% versus the 99%. The comparison is misleading. The 1% includes many small business owners, productive professionals, successful physicians, and hard-working entrepreneurs. The true class war is between the .1% and the 99.9%. There is a small clique of bankers, billionaires, corporate CEOs, media moguls, politicians, and their acolytes who represent the Deep State, or invisible government, and control the mechanisms of financial markets through their capture of the system. There is absolutely no question they are winning. It’s hard not to win when the game is rigged in your favor by your fellow .1% cronies. The markets are no longer free. They are manipulated and rigged to benefit the .1% at everyone else’s expense. The wealth of the richest has skyrocketed while the wealth of the rest has fallen since 2009. Real median household income languishing at 1989 levels proves they have been the losers. The next financial collapse initiated by the policies designed to benefit the .1% will push class warfare into the streets. Gated communities and doormen will not save the .1% from the wrath of their victims.

Generational war

A particular dicey war is the war between the older generations and younger generations. In past Fourth Turnings the prophet generation (Boomers) has provided leadership for the hero generation (Millennials). The tension between older and younger generations is palpable. Older generations have accumulated wealth during the good times. The Boomers who didn’t save for their retirement refuse to yield the field and allow Millennials into the workforce. Millions of delusional Boomers utilized the easy debt provided by the bankers to live for today and never save for tomorrow. Well tomorrow is here. The older generations are still going to receive all the social benefits they were promised, while younger generations will get stiffed. They know they are going to get screwed and are unlikely to take the screwing lying down.

It’s the older generations who control the levers of society. The aged ruling class has doled out the hundreds of billions in student loan debt and convinced Millennials College was a sure path to success and good jobs. Working as a french fry jockey at McDonalds doesn’t make the grade as a good job. Young people without jobs and without hope are a particularly combustible concoction. If there is revolution in the streets it won’t be led by obese Boomers on their motorized scooters. The barricades will be manned by the young. Confrontation with the police state may be initiated by Gen Xers and Boomers, but the fighting and dying will be done by the Millennials.

Terrorism/Religious war

The war on terrorism, like the wars on drugs and poverty, is unwinnable. They aren’t meant to be won. They are meant to enrich the vested interests, expand their control over our lives, erode our liberties and freedoms, and provoke fear and dependency among the masses. The terrorist plots concocted by the government, using clueless dupes, and then foiled by the DHS agencies that created them are nothing but a ruse to rile up the easily manipulated hoi polloi. The neo-cons want to leave the Middle East a smoking crater in their thirst for blood. The war on terrorism is a cover for hijacking the oil under the ground in the Middle East. ISIS is now Satan, Hitler, and Attila the Hun rolled into one, even though they didn’t exist a year ago. They are the existential threat of the day – the excuse for U.S. troops and armaments to flow back into Iraq. The military industrial complex profits will surge. Despite the fact these terrorists are no threat to our American way of life, the level of fear mongering amongst the chattering classes in Versailles on the Potomac and on the entertainment news networks is at hyperbolic volumes.

Chris Hedges explains the current propaganda storyline as espoused by the Deep State:

“This sentimentality, as Baldwin wrote, masks a terrifying numbness. [The War Culture] fosters an unchecked narcissism. Facts and historical truths, when they do not fit into the mythic vision of the nation and the tribe, are discarded. Dissent becomes treason. All opponents are godless and subhuman… It holds up the dangerous belief that we can recover our equilibrium and our lost glory by embracing an American fascism.” – Chris Hedges

Somebody needs to inform the neo-cons they don’t hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for occupying their lands, reigning terror on their people from unmanned killer drones, invading their countries, interfering in their political processes, and stealing their oil. Islam is most certainly a religion of hate and there will be no reconciliation between Christians, Muslims and Jews. The Middle East will remain a quagmire of hatred, centuries old animosities, religious extremism, despotic leaders, and oil. Terrorism does not pose an existential threat to the United States. It’s laughable to conclude that a country of 320 million, protected by vast oceans, with a trillion dollar military and 300 million guns distributed amongst its population, is actually threatened by a few thousand illiterate religious zealots in the Middle East.

Terrorism is a tactic used by militant groups unable to wage an insurgency or fight a conventional war. The purpose is to lure a larger enemy into an outsized response, resulting in bleeding and bankrupting the larger foe. Osama bin Laden succeeded beyond his wildest expectations, as the U.S. has wasted $6 trillion thus far, along with the lives of 7,000 Americans and 50,000 wounded. The terrorists have already won. They have put our country on the path to bankruptcy, while convincing our leaders to strip the citizens of their liberties, freedoms, and rights. And there are now more militants and terrorists than existed in 2001, in countries that didn’t have terrorists in 2001. The Middle East is a powder-keg which could be the catalyst for the start of World War III.

Cyber war

A cyber war has been being waged against the American people and foreign allies by the NSA for the last decade. The technology addicted masses are completely oblivious to their loss of privacy and freedom. They don’t know or don’t care their rights under the Fourth Amendment are being abridged. You are being tracked and monitored through your electronic devices. Your TV is recording your conversations. The U.S. has been waging cyber war against enemies and allies alike. The U.S. unleashed the Stuxnet computer virus into the Iranian nuclear program computers to set back their efforts by years. That was an act of war. It is now comical to see the governmental outrage when foreign nations and hacker organizations break into government computers and wreak havoc. In cyber war, the playing field is fairly even. Even North Korea can create problems for a superpower. Obama and his acolytes should duly note that Wall Street hired hundreds of Russian computer programmers because they seem to have a penchant for writing code. I’m sure Putin realizes that too.

Hackers have already caused billions in damage to retailers like Target, Home Depot, Staples, Sears, and Neiman Marcus. Over 1,000 merchants have had their computer networks breached. Hackers could potentially bring the financial system to its knees with a few keystrokes. Foreign governments have their smartest tech geeks probing U.S. computer networks for weaknesses and will act on these weaknesses when they feel it is beneficial to their interests. Technology will not save the world, but it might play a part in ending it. All the military firepower at the American Empire’s disposal may be nothing more than our Maginot Line during the next worldwide conflict. If satellites and computer systems can be disabled through computer code, leaders will be blind, deaf and dumb to threats. This would ratchet up the odds of someone panicking and pushing the wrong button at the wrong time. The future of the world may hang in the balance.

Civil war

It appears this Fourth Turning’s primary driving force will be the internal conflict between government and the people. To linear thinkers, self-proclaimed progressives, corrupt politicians, obedient government workers, and those dependent upon the government for their sustenance, the thought of civil war in the United States is inconceivable. Civil uprisings generally occur after currency collapse when mass hunger and poverty overtake the land. A breakdown in the electronic based economic system in which store shelves go empty, fuel becomes scarce, and the electronic transfer of welfare benefits ceases would create mass chaos in the streets. With our just in time supply chain, a grid failure or breakdown of electronic ordering, payment and communication would bring the nation to its knees within one week. Millions would perish within a few weeks. The government would attempt to utilize the military and national guard to maintain order. With their families also starving and no means of getting paid, will they be obeying the orders of a government that caused the collapse?

The other possibility is secession. It’s been tried before and the conflict was bloody and earth shattering. There really are two Americas. The east and west coasts are dominated by the liberal elite who look down upon the rest of the country. The .1% mostly resides in their gated enclaves, penthouse suites, and luxury beachfront mansions. They have nothing but contempt and disdain for the average American, living in Middle America or the South. The feeling is mutual amongst the working class towards the liberal elites. Most of the 300 million guns are concentrated in the Midwest and South. As trust in government and institutions wanes, the issue of states’ rights is likely to gain traction amongst a large swath of the critical thinking citizenry. The animosity between factions in this country is at historic levels. Again, civil war, secession, and the nation breaking into sectional regions of common interests are unlikely to occur until the existing social order collapses under the weight of un-payable obligations. That time is coming.

Total war

Every previous Fourth Turning climax coincided with total war on a grand scale. Each Fourth Turning war has seen a leap in the technological means of killing human beings. We put a lot of effort and resources into finding better ways to annihilate humanity. The Civil War saw 5% of the male population killed. World War II saw 65 million people killed. How many will die during this Fourth Turning total war of survival? Fourth Turning wars are decisive, final and fought with all necessary means until final victory or defeat, not like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. World War I was savage and brutal, but it was not decisive. It left issues unresolved and its Treaty of Versailles created the basis for World War II. The technological means to put an end to mankind is at the disposal of leaders in a number of nation-states. It would only take one psychopathic despot or elected president of immense ego and self-importance to initiate the doomsday clock. It appears these qualities are now essential to governing a modern day nation. Someone will do something stupid, and then all hell will break loose.

Anyone who doesn’t comprehend the implications of alliances being formed and broken by countries around the globe is either choosing the ostrich strategy or is ignorant of history and the events leading to wars. A thorough reading of The Guns of August may be helpful. The world is like a room full of gunpowder and the sociopaths running the show keep lighting matches. Someone is going to miscalculate and the place is going to blow sky high. The insolvent EU is splintering. The northern countries despise the southern countries. Greece, Spain and Italy are all economic basket cases and their exits will mark the end of this grand experiment in debt delusion. Once the bad debts crash down upon the European banks and governments, the anger, bitterness, accusations and violence will reach epic proportions. This could trigger war, as extremist political parties gain traction. The economic suffering in the 1920’s led to the rise of Mussolini and Hitler. Hunger leads the peasants to rally behind any strong leader.

The Ukrainian civil war, crafted by the U.S. and its weak kneed NATO allies, has been the facilitator of a shift in world alliances. The U.S. has made a blundering attempt to teach Putin a lesson for interfering in their Syrian pipeline uprising against Assad and encouraging the Crimea to rejoin Russia. By attempting to position NATO armaments on Russia’s border they have triggered centuries old fears of being invaded by European powers. Russia will stop the U.S. plan at all costs, and the Russian supported rebels have soundly defeated the Kiev Nazi forces in eastern Ukraine. The U.S. backed forces have slaughtered women and children randomly as they blunder about in eastern Ukraine. The latest cease fire will not hold. Germany and France are coming to their senses and starting to look out for their best interests, rather than the interests of the American Empire. A shattering of the NATO alliance would be an earth moving event and would set the stage for further conflict in Europe. Enemies are interchangeable when you are an imperial power.

The world has begun to devolve into two distinct factions. The imperialist actions of the American Empire in the Middle East and Ukraine have pushed Russia, China, India, Brazil, and Iran closer together regarding trade deals; transacting commerce without using the USD; oil and gas pipelines; and military cooperation. If there is going to be total war in the next dozen or so years, it most surely would be the United States versus an alliance of Russia and China. Japan is experiencing Chinese saber rattling over disputed islands. Russia continuously probes NATO defenses with aggressive actions. It is clear the U.S. has decided Vladimir Putin and Russia is world enemy #1 and are using all their economic and propaganda tools to de-claw the bear. Failure to make Putin bow to American pressure will raise his stature at home and abroad.

China’s domestic, economic and social issues continue to worsen. They are in the midst of experiencing an epic bust after a debt fueled explosion of government manufactured growth. Their fraudulent economic boom is coming to a messy end. Totalitarian regimes are known for using foreign threats to distract the populace from domestic suffering. As a matter of fact, all regimes use this tactic. When the global economy rips apart at the seams due to the debt saturation, world leaders will attempt to blame other countries for their dire circumstances. Foreign enemies are good for business. Ask our Nobel Peace Prize winning President. War is inevitable.

Strauss & Howe pose four potential culminations to our current Crisis, only one of which offers hope. There may be other possibilities, but probably not. The outcome which will not happen is just a continuation of the status quo, with the same corrupt leadership using the same debt based solutions, as they enrich themselves and their cronies. The existing social order will be replaced by something new, but not necessarily better, if there is anything left after a war that could end in Armageddon:

  1. This Fourth Turning could mark the end of man. It could be an omnicidal Armageddon, destroying everything, leaving nothing. If mankind ever extinguishes itself, this will probably happen when its dominant civilization triggers a Fourth Turning that ends horribly. For this Fourth Turning to put an end to all this would require an extremely unlikely blend of social disaster, human malevolence, technological perfection and bad luck.
  2. The Fourth Turning could mark the end of modernity. The Western saecular rhythm – which began in the mid-fifteenth century with the Renaissance – could come to an abrupt terminus. The seventh modern saeculum would be the last. This too could come from total war, terrible but not final. There could be a complete collapse of science, culture, politics, and society. Such a dire result would probably happen only when a dominant nation (like today’s America) lets a Fourth Turning ekpyrosis engulf the planet. But this outcome is well within the reach of foreseeable technology and malevolence.
  3. The Fourth Turning could spare modernity but mark the end of our nation. It could close the book on the political constitution, popular culture, and moral standing that the word America has come to signify. The nation has endured for three saecula; Rome lasted twelve, the Soviet Union only one. Fourth Turnings are critical thresholds for national survival. Each of the last three American Crises produced moments of extreme danger: In the Revolution, the very birth of the republic hung by a thread in more than one battle. In the Civil War, the union barely survived a four-year slaughter that in its own time was regarded as the most lethal war in history. In World War II, the nation destroyed an enemy of democracy that for a time was winning; had the enemy won, America might have itself been destroyed. In all likelihood, the next Crisis will present the nation with a threat and a consequence on a similar scale.
  4. Or the Fourth Turning could simply mark the end of the Millennial Saeculum. Mankind, modernity, and America would all persevere. Afterward, there would be a new mood, a new High, and a new saeculum. America would be reborn. But, reborn, it would not be the same.

I would love to just be an impartial observer during this Fourth Turning, like a sports announcer in a booth far above the field, broadcasting the events as they unfold. But, it is not to be. I’m living in the midst of this Crisis with all the other participants. I’m not happy about the prospect of financial collapse, societal collapse, and war. I have three young sons and refuse to allow them to be used as cannon fodder by the State, in their quest to retain dominion over the American people. I understand the younger generations must do the heavy lifting during this Crisis, but I do not relish the prospect of putting them in harm’s way. It’s not fair they are left with the burdens created by decades of bad choices and cowardly acts of their elders. But no one said life is fair.

This generation was born at a particular time in history when much will be required. They have a rendezvous with destiny. None of us has a choice. We can’t sit this one out. The bad times ahead will require courage, fortitude, sacrifice and intelligence, if we are to be triumphant. This Fourth Turning could end in apocalypse or glory. Our decisions and choices will matter. Prepare now.

“Thus might the next Fourth Turning end in apocalypse – or glory. The nation could be ruined, its democracy destroyed, and millions of people scattered or killed. Or America could enter a new golden age, triumphantly applying shared values to improve the human condition. The rhythms of history do not reveal the outcome of the coming Crisis; all they suggest is the timing and dimension.” – The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

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Fukushima Fricassee's picture
Fukushima Fricassee (not verified) Feb 13, 2015 9:28 PM

Horrible people control armies built with money stolen from babies. I wonder how they can be stoped this time?

DavidPierre's picture

Come on Quinn!

"Osama bin Laden succeeded beyond his wildest expectations..."

You still believe such absolute BULLSHIT ?

Are you a tool for the psychopaths or just one of them?

stacking12321's picture

davidpierre, quinn is far more credible than an obsessed, infatuated, psycho like yourself, who is unable to respond in any meaningful way to the points i made to you earlier - all you had to say is "fuck you".

you're just a nuisance and a hater, you need to STFU.

ZerOhead's picture

And speaking of "haters"... don't forget Feb 14th marks the start of our first annual National Hate Week. Hate early and hate often cuz we got a big list this year...

El Vaquero's picture

National hate week on the 14th?  Well, it's 8 minutes past midnight here, meaning it is the 14th.  In a week, you'll be a friend again.  Until then, fuck you sideways with a cactus.  I hate you.

Unix's picture
Unix (not verified) ZerOhead Feb 14, 2015 11:22 AM

LOL, national hate week, that is a good one!

Womb Service's picture

What part of David Pierre's post is wrong?


Quinn has 911 issues. Considering everything else he writes, that is pretty fucking weird.

socalbeach's picture

Most people don't realize bin Laden denied any involvement in 9-11.


Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

September 17,2001


Serfs Up's picture

Hopefully Quinn is writing about Obama using the dominant narrative in an attempt to reach people who still otherwise believe in the 9-11 fiction.

But if not, if Quinn actually believes the Obama 9-11 story, then it throws the rest of his writings into question because, let's face it, the level of intelligence required to pierce the gauzy official narrative of 9-11 is not very high.


ConfederateH's picture

Quinn is still plugged into their "Al Queda did it" world through his University pay check, and he cannot go down the truther rabbit hole.  However, for someone to write these kinds of peices vilifying the state while continuing to play along with the charade that the 9/11 commission in some fashion explained what happened is beyond laughable and beyond credulity.  It's like trying to unravel what is happening in Ukraine while pretending the Putin shot down MH-17.

Until Quinn is ready to publicly face the truth about 9/11 all his rants can be tossed into the round "useful idiot" filing cabinet in the corner.

Unix's picture

Says Bin Laden...there is much we do not know, and it is all veiled behind SECRECY! THAT is the real problem my friends!

noben's picture
noben (not verified) socalbeach Feb 14, 2015 10:24 AM

So... it's dancing Israelis then?
And a few dozen black ops and demolition types (The Expendables), who've all been quietly 'retired' since then?

laser's picture

Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911, but he did promote the strategy of taking advantage of the greater power's disproportionate response to destroy itself.

stacking12321's picture

"What part of David Pierre's post is wrong?"

the part where he rants like a rabid psycho.

then you ask him to clarify or provide evidence for what he's talking about, such as:

-how is it "intelectually dishonest"?

-how, specifically, is it "exercise in NeoCon, crypto-ideology."?

but he doesn't reply but instead puts up more ranting, lunatic posts. he's not interested in having a discussion of ideas, he's just interested in ranting like a psycho and fuming and blowing a lot of hot air - in other words, davidpierre is worthless.

you may well be right about quinn having 911 issues, i don't know, but most people don't have the entire story straight about what's going on the world, everyone has their blind spots. that doesn't mean what quinn says has no value, and it doesn't mean that idiots like davidpierre need to be taking up space with long, pointless, windbag posts.

DavidPierre's picture

SmokeyQuinn has neither the balls nor the brains to debate 9/11Truth on an open forum where he cannot delete other peoples comments at will.


A direct quote from him...

"It is good that you were able to take time out from the truther sheep fuck convention to develop a sitcom. I hear JFK is on today. You can sit in front of your TV and jerk off to it. Do you have any ideas about detective dads that bring up morons? By the number of thumbs up you received, it appears that the 9/11 truther retards are still onboard. I guess no other sites will have you mongoloids.

The truthers swarmed the site with their bullshit immediately. Anyone who has been on my site for the last two years realizes that if you don’t have facts to back up your argument, I will obliterate you.

I had the facts when Jason Rines pulled the plug on my old site."


This is all many years old information on ZH.

Jason Rines was Quinn's first webmaster, (and who uses 'Raging Debate' as a handle on ZH), pulled the plug on Quinn because he caught Quinn posting as Smokey.


"I really don’t care who I offend.

Anyone who has been offended can hit the fucking road.

Then all of the truthers I’ve offended today can quit my site. They can discuss gravity, explosives, jet fuel, video clips of the Pentagon, and how to properly fuck a sheep.

Since you say you were a firefighter, that makes you an intelligent person.

You should really have special insight into the 9/11 towers. You are a bonafide sleuth.

You really have that mystery solved.

Nobody can pull anything over on you. You are too smart to fall for any tricks.

You are a mystery solver. A man with keen analytical skills. —-A fucking inbred, maggot-infested douchebag.

You and all of the rest of the duped 9/11 Truthers eat dog shit."  


You have not been around here long enough to understand the history of SmokeyQuinn, who was publicly outed on ZH, by his own webmaster, as a god damn LIAR.

Why don't you ask Quinn why he no longer has  the balls to post anything in the comments on ZH like he did before he was exposed?

stacking12321's picture

DavidPierre, you're an idiot who is spamming by copying and pasting the same crap over and over again.

i don't care about your pissing contest with quinn, STFU already, it's pointless drivel.

and i'm not going to weigh in on conversations that you've pulled out of context.

if you have a better view of what's going on in the world, present it; otherwise just STFU!

k, thx.

Payne's picture

Do not expect a repeat of WW1 or WW2  the World is not that organized.  Expect a return to regional conflicts of the past.  North Korea vs South Korea, Pakistan vs India.

The Power elite have screwed up the chance they had at a New Society.  We are back to business as usual with greater debt.  Great time to be a Merc, lots of job opportunities.


Expect China and Japan to get into it again.

Blythes Master's picture


The Douche Penis needs to get out of moms basement once in awhile.

He really should stay on his meds.

OldPhart's picture

f"The Fourth Turning could spare modernity but mark the end of our nation. It could close the book on the political constitution, popular culture, and moral standing that the word America has come to signify."


"The Fourth Turning could spare modernity but mark the end of our nation. It could close the book on the political constitution, popular culture, and moral standing that the word America USED to signify."

Fixed it for you.

Future Jim's picture

Has anyone considered that forcing other countries to unite against the dollar is exactly what the NWO (aka globalists) want?

Based on their actions, the goal is a global police state with one religion, one currency, and no effective critics. For some reason they seem to think that the American people are the last thing standing in their way because we are the last armed citizenry on earth. They see everyone else as sufficiently neutralized and in a holding pattern until Americans have been equally neutralized so that their global plans can move forward safely.

Once one understands this much, everything else makes sense. For example, they need to provoke Americans to start shooting at the government or at each other to justify more police state and disarmament.

Americans don't know their government, media, universities, big corporations, big churches, big health care, and banking are controlled by the NWO, and apparently not all ZHers know that. Instead of hating on Americans, try to understand how pretty much no one could overcome that kind of mind fuck. It explains what is wrong with the people - everywhere.

One thing that tends to wake people up is the 911 Smoking Gun - WTC7.

"The fourth turning" promotes the idea that America's problems are inevitable, when in fact they are by design, and thus the fourth turning is wrong and could even be just more NWO propaganda.

This article also promotes the cause as "neo-cons", but neocons are just Republican Progressives - just as all of the NWO can be described as progressives, and yet this article does not in any way indict progressives.

Manipulism's picture

S-P-O-T  O-N.

Someone gets it.


Future Jim's picture

Thanks. Also, collectivism, democracy and rule of law have failed. We are now devolving back to the rule of man. The only "glory" possible is not the failed, flawed fatal policies of the past expoused in this article. The only glorious way forward is the Rule of Market.

Winston Churchill's picture

It has nothing to do with guns.

Pax Americana is a spent, hollowed out shell of it former self.Morally and fiscally bankrupt.

The PTB did exactly the same with Pax Brittanica, before discarding it.There were very few gun laws in

the UK back then.That population was pretty well armed at the time, and it made no

difference to their plans, just as it will not affect their plans here.

TPTB do want a mass depopulation event, and make no secret of it.

We need to rid ourselves of them,before they surely rid themselves of us.

Future Jim's picture

There was also a lot more trust in government back then, no internet, and no sniper kills at 2000 yards. Also, they did not do a mass depopulation back then did they? People might get a little more angry about something like that, and the internet might make it a little harder for them to control the narrative this time.

Whether or not an armed American citizenry would actually make much difference, they are obviously taking actions that indicate they are very concerned about any kind of resistance from the American people. For example, they target small farms, preppers, gun owners, etc. They are obviously perpetrating false flag shootings and trying to provoke armed conflict to justify even more of a police state and disarmament. They are obviously not taking such extreme measures in other countries because they are obviously not as afraid of those populations.

I can see why Brits would claim that guns make no difference and that the NWO doesn't fear an armed citizenry. It would understandably be pretty embarrassing for Brits to admit that they have already been conquered and disarmed by the NWO. Out of such embarrassment, some Brits would thus side against the American people and thereby serve as useful idiots for the NWO.

Winston Churchill's picture

I think you are mistaking the age of the NWO.

Its the old world order with a facelift, going back to at least Venice.probably


Unix's picture

It is ALL about a well armed citizenry Winston, don't say otherwise!

Winston Churchill's picture

It better be armed with fully auto,tanks,artillery,and air power then.

Mortars,mines and RPG's would also be usefull.

Unix's picture

Depends on which way the army etc breaks...but you're right.

Fukushima Sam's picture

The quote is from a book written in 1997, so almost twenty years ago.  Your "fix" is proof that the authors were incredibly prescient, and that we are heading toward a conflict caused by a combination of apathy of the citizenry and an out-of-control government.

dimwitted economist's picture

i think the Burning platform Aricles are Fucking GREAT! the guy is so "on target" it has to really piss them off.. LOL!

drendebe10's picture

"Horrible people..."   the corrupt divisive incompetent despicable arrogant narcissistic illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic pathological liar in chief fudgepacker sure comes to mind...

A Lunatic's picture

To win a War within the U.S. all you would need to do is take away, beer, porn, and icrap. Total surrender in less than two weeks, the only shots fired are by looters.......

OldPhart's picture

I can live without the porn and Icrap.  Touch my beer and I'll blow a hole in your ass.

Skateboarder's picture

Beer is a sacred beverage, and I'm all out, so I'm gonna go get me some.

It gives unconditionally, absorbing your misery and replacing it with joy, all the while tasting incredible (not talking about the Pissweisercoorsona Lights). All hail beer.

Radical Marijuana's picture

Ah, where have all the ancient Sumerian beer rituals gone?

"In Mesopotamia, the oldest evidence of beer is believed to be a 6,000-year-old Sumerian tablet depicting people drinking a beverage through reed straws from a communal bowl. A 3900-year-old Sumerian poem honouring Ninkasi, the patron goddess of brewing, contains the oldest surviving beer recipe, describing the production of beer from barley via bread. The invention of bread and/or beer has been argued to be responsible for humanity's ability to develop technology and build civilization."

Skateboarder's picture

Harnessing fermentation was the turning point, and that gave us a solid base for tasty carbs. Tasty carbs + free time + intelligence + work ethic = innovation. I fear that innovation has gone to the dark side. Only the beer remains.

p.s. appreciate the historical notes. I used to read a lot of mythology-related stuff.

SubjectivObject's picture

I think I ascertained that beer was a sterile hydration when the water was not so much.

When time permits, I'm going to learn to brew beer; have been collecting instructionals;  already have a copper still for the harder stuff.

Radical Marijuana's picture

Yeah, SubjectivObject, in many places it was safer to drink the wine or beer than the water!

Max Cynical's picture

"To win a War within the U.S. all you would need to do is..."

...sabotage the grid.

disabledvet's picture

Oil collapses then soars.  Amazon goes up a hundred bucks a share on no news.  I never will umderstand the sanctions regime on Russia for the rest of my days.


Europe wanted that too btw.


Exiting wars are a lot harder than entering them.  Not sure anyone actually advised this Adminstration on how to do that.


Ironic given that this is the Vietnam generation in charge right now.



Is what it is.


Equities surging on the news the Fed will do nothing to stop inflation is not news.  To not be normalizing rates right now is crazy.


I cope by reading up on "space economics" actually.


I just dont see anything changing.


The USA getting out of Vietnam, how the Cold War ended...I think folks are going to understand what an aberration those events really were.


Where is that end of the Cold War dividend again?


So, yeah.  "Space economics" and Paul Krugman it is.

Go figure....

Eeyores Enigma's picture

If there are historical records to peruse 100 years from now all of these financial shenanigans will be on par with what we refer to as "Fiddling while Rome Burns". It is all useless bull $hit. 

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists's picture

My wonder this time is that the powerful vested interests, who have less to gain from war than maintaining the current system, prevent this war from happening. The vested interests have never had this much power, considering both financial power and the power to monitor all electronic activities worldwide.

A Lunatic's picture

They are not happy with mere power. They seek total domination of mankind.....

California Nightmares's picture

US foreign policy is very much in the hands of Jews, who control also the MSM and the big banks. 

What exactly is it that they want? 

I guess the security of Israel and world Jewry,  

But they're pushin' too hard and they may be provoking the very sort of response they dread the most.

TeethVillage88s's picture

So there maybe another couple of reasons the Jews are leaving Europe.

$3.5 Trillion Euros sitting idle in Corporations not being used... while the financial system is broken accourding to Yanis Varoufikis... so If Europeans know the EU Economy is broken that the bankers there like in the USA have taken much of the Wealth, Looted with Salaries & Bonuses...

- Maybe people blame the Jews
- Maybe EU Muslims also blame the Jews for wealth inequality and the Looting of the Economy

Down to Earth Thinking's picture

no doubt control freaks run amok

ISEEIT's picture

I would ramble on...But it would not matter.

Am I a nihilist?

Yeah, pretty much.

At least in this lifetime.

Truth WILL win though.

On a long enough timeline.

It's about Souls, NOT artificial constructs.