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NATO's Stoltenberg Claims "Documented Evidence" Of Russian Military Presence In Ukraine, OSCE Chief Says No
For the 4th time in February, NATO dispatched Typhoon jets to track a Russian Il-20 today over The Baltic Sea. However, as fighting rages in Ukraine - despite the apparent market excitement at a truce deal - today's biggest news is NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg's claims that his alliance has evidence of Russian military presence in Ukraine, despite the 'independent' OSCE chief having stated he saw no Russian troops in Ukraine's east. One wonders if NATO has YouTube proof like that of the American-accented fighter we recently noted.
Proof?
As TASS reports, NATO Secretay General Jens Stoltenberg claimes that the intelligence service of the alliance has some documented data of Russian military presence in eastern Ukraine. Stoltenberg announced it on air of the Kommersant FM radio.
According to Stoltenberg, the militias of eastern Ukrain wouldn't have been able to achieve the success they are demonstrating without Russia's support.
He said that NATO receives data on Russian military presence in Ukraine from the intelligence services, journalists and other sources but presented no concrete facts.
Moscow has repeatedly denied alleged presence of Russian troops in eastern Ukraine. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in late January that those accusing Russia of sending troops and weapons to the conflict-torn south-eastern Ukraine need to substantiate their accusations with proof.
“We hear a lot about the flow of Russian troops and arms,” Lavrov said speaking at his annual news conference. “And every time I respond that if one speaks with such certainty, than one should present some facts. However, no one is either capable or willing to present the facts.”
The West repeatedly accused Moscow of its alleged military involvement in the embattled south-eastern Ukraine and imposed a wide range of sanctions in regard to Russia. Moscow dismissed the allegations and answered with retaliatory sanctions against the West last summer. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that those Russians taking part in combat operations in the southeast of Ukraine were volunteers and not mercenaries.
However, as TASS reports, the OSCE chief saw no Russian troops in Ukraine's east,
Lamberto Zannier, secretary general of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), told a forum on OSCE’s project coordination in Ukraine he could not confirm the movement or the presence of Russian forces there, while noting certain restrictions on observers’ work, including difficulties with movement in combat zones.
Commenting the new settlement agreements reached on Thursday in Minsk, Zannier said they are the best of existing opportunities to put an end to the conflict in Ukraine's east. However, he said, pullback of heavy weapons does not mean demilitarization of the conflict zone. The Organisation will specify locations, to where the weapons will be taken.
Representatives of the OSCE said during discussions of implementation of the agreements they are ready to provide general monitoring at the border between Ukraine and Russia if their security is guaranteed.
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Lets start WW3, and after all the dust clears and the elite crawl out of their bunkers like snakes from under a rock, they can write off all the debt and deriviates.
Fuckers.
By this aggressive posture, looks like NATO related troops have been caught in the Debaltsevo Cauldron.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.ca/2015/02/war-in-ukraine-latest-maps-cauldron.html
Documented proof, eh?
http://youtu.be/wZSRkuhPzuI
Proof is optional, per NATO's latest moron in charge... So, there !
I don't care what these folks show or say. Believing them is like bagging flies.
They cry WOLF again?
Found this at : http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2015/02/nuke-used-ukraine-confirmed-26...
(strange document what do you people think of this?)
Further – A Nuclear Safety Conference is set for 17 through 18 March in Dc corresponds well with the Nuke set to go off in DC on 17 February. While all the World Leaders are their to discuss Nuclear Safety they will all be turned into ashes blowing in the wind. I wish I was kidding. When President Obama leaves the conference – get out, run like the wind. His handlers are aware of this potential Nuclear Detonation all too well.
I knew about the incoming Nuke long before I learned about the conference.
Yulia Tomashenko – leader of the ” All Ukrainian Party of the Fatherland” started by Hitler got her wish today. Russian citizens who are part of the Ukraine go nuked. She was told about this by the US Ambassador to the Ukraine but refused to participate in this Nuclear Murder of her fellow citizens but also refused to try and stop it.
Dr William B. Mount
Spelling Errors brought to you by US Army Cyber Command
11th Annual Nuclear Energy Conference | Home
A nuke explosion is easily recognisable by its byproducts present in the air and on the ground, in the area. You can even ID who made it and when. Before it's news is no news, just another online version of the "Weekely World News"...
Yeah, well, I remember US having "Documented Evidence" that Iraq had WMDs, etc.
So... "Fick Dich ins Knie, Du Lutscher, Du Vixer" Stoltenberg. And peddle your propaganda elsewhere.
Yes..and this is what they have been on the receiving end of..and why Minsk 2 was so hastily organised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmGjMak5xcw
The cauldron has been close for a couple of days alraedy.
I usualy refer to those maps when I want to see the progress of the rebels:
http://dragon-first-1.livejournal.com/
Thanks Maxter
I don't think too many of the elite bastards will come out of the rabbit hole. They'll turn on each other like wild dogs.
"Documented"
Uh huh, which means someone wrote on a matchbook with crayon and called it good
Propaganda is the most important weapon of the age.
That, and shooting people in the face, of course, but it's right up there.
The elite are the progressives from all parties. Forward !
How does Stoltenberg manage to say anything when he's got Nuland's cock in his mouth all the time?
Ukraine security forces shell kindergarten in Donetsk
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d0_1423837128
Courtesy of The Zionist Neo Nazi regime of Ukraine.
He takes it in the ass so his mouth is free
You must mean Nuland's "Strap-on". She's female. Technically.
Not without proof she isn't.
Shocking List Of Official Proven False Flag Attacks
http://homment.com/falseflag4
Did he comment on the American and EU mercs fighting there?
Mercs = Plausible deniability
America, pissing its wealth away as the system spins faster and faster and out of control.
Who cares-the Westminster dog show is almost on and the Oscars & and soon March madness, to hell with these distractions of world affairs give me some Oprah!!---turning sarc switch off.
Yeah, don't need anymore distractions. I'm celebrating black history month.
And don't forget to do the traditional "tie your dick into a knot", on Presidents Day.
I hope a Gin and Tonic is involved also. No damn cucumber though. Lime. Only a lime.
NATO is a pack of liars. They lied about Kosovo and lied about Libya, as preludes to invading both. They have also now lied repeatedly about Ukraine. NATO is a sack of warmonging shit.
Reading between the lines,NATO's days are numbered.
A very clear chasm is appearing between the europeans, and the ziocons poodles,the US and
the UK. Looks like the central europeans are finally wising up to the fact that their destruction is
perfectly acceptable to the ziocons in their pursuit of hegemony..
Something big went down in Moscow when those advisors were banned from the meeting.
And as the American people realize that we're not a higher order of peon, then real progess.
What happens to "the other" is knockin' at our door.
NATO is now ZATO and lying to the sub human donkeys they rule over is encouraged.
But you believe TASS?
This is not the topic, troll.
TASS=Telegraph Agency of Soviet Union
There is no the Soviet Union anymore. The evil Empire created by Zionist Bolsheviks has collapsed. But Zionist puppets like Putin dreaming to reanimate the Soviet Empire.
Ukraine is the place where American Zionist puppet government of Zailseman-Poroshenko is waging a war against Israeli Zionist puppet Putin.
Are the Russian military fighting in Ukraine? The answer is Yes. Where, for God Sake, did these "rebels" get all these heavy weapons and Air force. By the way, the former rebel commander is now living in Russia and openly states that he is a colonel in Russian Special Forces.
Main job description of NATO general secretary is to be able to send messages from outer universes.
Maybe they can get the Senator from Oklahoma to flash a few more pictures to make it official?
And if that doesn't work?...
Perhaps a "dirty bomb" or two! Bad timing for something like that though with that now 14 year old "declassified" classified 28 page report on Saudi Arabia's involvement on 9/11 that never made it into the "9/11 Commission Report"!...
Gettin closer people! The Emperor has no clothes and it's very cold Winter when you can't afford the "heat"!!!
Battled yesterday with Yahoo trolls. I said I wanted proof. They said Google, it's there. IT IS NOT THERE. April, June, November, February....nothing. WHERE ARE THE FUCKIN PICTURES?
Yahoo idiots Believe anything the state tells them.
That's why they are such idiots...
That's why I disengaged and ran back to the loving and truthy arms of ZH.
Careful, you remember Wag the Dog right?
Or the Rammstein video Amerika?
pods
"but what if the american people find out?"
"who's gonna tell em?"
WAG THE DOG
But, but, everybody says so....
/s
When I was young I had a great deal of respect for NATO. It's took me a while before I understood my respect was misplaced.
When I was young I had a great deal of respect for NATO. It's took me a while before I unders my respect was misplaced.
When all of us were all attempting to understand it's existence after the "Berlin Wall" fell and that Cold-War "defensive alliance" turned into an "offensive threat" with new members in Eastern Europe 6 years later!
Fixed it!
When I was young, I had a great deal of respect for the USA and even would have fought and died for my country...when I 'awoke' in late 2006 after much research into the problems, then I realized I lived in a country full of vipers. I believe nothing that comes from .gov or MSM and very little other that I can't see with my own 2 eyes and understand. I hate that so many other's trust is misplaced and yet they do not know it and do not care.
Ditto. Includes FBI, CIA, DOD, DC, NY.
All my indoctrinated ideals were just brainwashing, come to find out.
How painful, when All Truth is revealed well before the moment of death. That's like a small death in itself, but not to be confused with the French version of "Le Petit Mort" ("The little death", i.e. female orgasm).
Exactly. You nail it.
Dupe. I'm a retarded fucking Merikun.
Dupe. I'm a retarded fucking Merikun.
On all of us!
You fucked up! You trusted us!!!
"They lie about everything. Why would they lie about this?"
The banksters need to repay us.
ZATO.
North American Terrorist Organization
So what if the Russians are there? Does anyone really think the US wouldn't have 'boots on the ground' if this type of incident were occurring in Mexico or Canada?
http://olduvai.ca
That's the other important point.
What I can't figure out is why Putin met with Porky, Merkel, etc when it was previously asserted no Russians were over there.
Putin insisted on direct negotiation between Poroshenko & DPR/LPR representatives, but Poroshenko wouldn't listen.
Everything out of the Districk of Criminals is BS...
http://rt.com/news/232067-fake-photos-russian-army/
I never dreamed that in the "age of information" we wold have so much disinformation. Nobody knows what to believe.
Fine. Show it then. Release the so called "documented proof". Don't just talk about it. If you had it, you would have released it by now. It will be all over Reuters, CNN, BBC, everywhere. I dont see it anywhere, therefore you are lying.
Shit. You know, I remember when Russia could kill millions. Back in the day, there was no cultural or societal race of people who could be more barbarously bloodthirsty than the Russians.
How the mighty have fallen. Based upon most reports (All of which hedge their bets, to be truthful), as few as 6K individuals have been killed in the Ukranian civil war. Fuck. 6K used to be a warm-up death count for the mighty Russian empire. In fact, no notice was given of how many Russia killed until the death count rearched 6 figures, not 4 figures as is today.
Unless the Russians really ramp up their death machine, we should all disregard Russia-v-Ukraine as a fetid, insipid attempt to renew old Russian glories.
You are referring to the Bolshevik Communist Regime in the former Soviet Union, which was run by JEWS, get that, JEWS, and they slaughtered over 60 million White Christians in Russia, including the Russian Royal family in a basement (KOSHER SLAUGHTER STYLE). Here are some quotes for you to digest:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/Jews.and.Communism.htm
lfdf
You mean lke using Napalm and Agent Orange in Vietnam? Or what the terrorism that is raging out of control in the world would be if Baby Bush had not invaded Iraq to silence Saddam about the criminal relationship between Saddam and Baby Bush's father, George H W Bush, EX-DIRECTOR OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY.
But keep up the good propaganda, lfdf.
Only you can convince the assembly here that the mighty US will be the only 'mighty' that WILL NEVER FALL.
God Bless
As a British Citizen I am sickened by the sight of Ukranian Neo-Nazi Batallions wearing British Army kit.
NATO is run by fascist and serving the Zionists agenda. They are fighting for survival as a criminal institution. Credibility is ZIP!
Russia discovered the Harry Potter's invisibility cloak
Yep. Here's the proof:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/its-putins-devilish-cloak-tank.html
And the above quote lets you know exactly that any Russian soldiers on the ground are in direct response to NATO/US forces already present, before the "russkies" arrived... or else we wouldn't deny it! Get it!?!
Of course it's full with putin regime army equipment and terrorists
http://youtu.be/KuB_uYsAeuA
Don't you have a pregnant woman to stangle?
...or some outhouses to clean?
Is it true?
Did you get a job with Fox News as a blonde, long haired Barby Doll News Presenter?
Congrats.
Fuck you...fucking joke when all of you fucking salivating to blow Putin, are faced with a reality critisizing your hero, your response always involves Fox news...seriously"? what the fuck senseless shit is that, nothing but a blatant play to the fabian libs on this site
Fucking douche bags...your fucking Russian "Government" is a pack of liars and thieves as evidenced by paying you fucking COCKroaches to post Russian propagnda here..
Seriously? look at what Putin has subjected Russia to...show me where there has been economic growth...oh yeah...there was none, instead nothing but economic isloation...go back to sucking off your leader and shut THE fuck up
Captain Butthole fails again.
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/02/04/3151
Lighten up, Nukie baby.
If Bushbutt #2 hadn't invaded Iraq in 2003 there would be no Isis, no Isil nor any other Western created terrorist groups flase flagging panic to the civilized world and you'd happily be compulsively jagging off to photos of twinkie gay guys or Sports Illustrated swimsuit models 24/7, depending on your sexual orientation.
(Or maybe you've been chemically castrated as a result of your chronic pedophila, which would explain your out of control hypertensive rage about Putin and Russia and your male pattern baldness.)
Whatever.
If you don't want to die a crazy and lonely old man, you better seek better professional help than I can offer.
Godspeed.
BTW
How is it that Isis, who was invented in Syria and Iraq, have marched all the way around the horn to Libya without going near the ally of America, the Hebrews and their nation?
All this lying is such a waste of time and energy; why can’t they just get on with whatever atrocities they crave to enact?!.. Public opinion means squat anyway. Every western war since the crusades of Pope Urban II (1096–1099) up until now is a fucking false flagging lie and the sheeple will get slaughtered no matter what…Sorry, feeling very pessimistic today….and yesterday…and the day before that…
Listen
Anders Rasmussen is a tough act to follow.
If Stoltenberg wants a bonus this year he's got his work cut out for him.
According to Stoltenberg, the militias of eastern Ukrain wouldn't have been able to achieve the success they are demonstrating without Russia's support.
He said that NATO receives data on Russian military presence in Ukraine from the intelligence services, journalists and other sources but presented no concrete facts.
Hey General Stoltenberg, you really should have brought this guy to the "dog & pony" in Minsk!
By the way?... Those ethnic Ukrainians that speak Russian your friends in Kiev are killing are "Russian" and have been for around 800 years!
Well, everyone knows there IS a huge Russian military
presence in Ukraine... AK47, T72, BMPs, rockets, etc...
...see... all Russian...LOL
OTOH, you mean soldiers??? Why would Putin bother?
He has all the recruits he needs from the Donbas.
His problem is keeping a leash on these guys.
They want to roll over Kiev today... Putin... not so much.
Other "plans" you know ;)
Still can't quite understand why Putin and Lavrov didn't PR the shit out of that "white book" which must have some pretty interesting details in it about the equipment and troops the U.S. has been exporting into Eastern Ukraine since this all started?!!!
It's no coincidence either that Secret Chimp and song bird McCain made their little announcements within the last two weeks of committing treason in response to what is detailed chapter and verse in that white book!
This is kind of ridiculous.
There are Russians fighting in Ukraine.
There are Americans fighting in Ukraine.
But it is not entirely clear that they are active forces from Russia or the US.
So lets stop using our dicks to pound fence posts and speak directly, shall we?
If Kiev is being militarily supported by the US someone has to explain where all the military support is, since no one has seen anything new amongst the Uke forces.
The same logic applies to the people in the East...except they seem very well equipped for people who don't have a government behind them.
I mean, civilians purchase and hide a lot of equipment and hide it in the basement. But 25-ton artillery pieces, 35-ton tanks, and all the ammunition, fuel, and spare parts to operate them doesn't exactly grow on trees and you can't hide them in even a Texas garage.
Making no accusations... but where the hell is all that stuff coming from? And what about all the new radios and the like that they have?
It is not like there are a lot of borders in East Ukraine for that stuff to cross.
Also... what about the Russian mother of 7 from Smolensk being held for treason for telling the Kommersant newspaper that she overheard someone she believed to be military saying that soldiers were being transferred in plain clothes through Moscow to be sent on a 'Work Trip further"???
Firstly, it is hear-say. She didn't know the man she overheard. She didn't actually know whether he was right, wrong, a novelist, or a mad-man.
Secondly, if there aren't any such troops, where's the treason? If someone makes wild unsubstantiated claims governments either ignore them or call them mad and send them to a psychiatrist. If there are no such troops then it is just hot air from a mad-woman.
The fact that she is being charged with high treason suggests that there was something to what she said. If there were nothing, then there would be no crime to prosecute there but stupidity.
http://rt.com/politics/228055-russian-woman-detained-treason/
Finally... what about the airborne troops captured and displayed on video??? Sure, they were on border patrol and wandered over the border that day... except they wandered 50 fucking kilos over the border. Have you ever walked 50KM with a back pack through the forest? Calling that distance on foot 'wandering' is like calling a Saturn V a bottle-rocket.
Sure, everyone is in a camp. And facts don't matter.
Fine.
Because of THE WAY this was done every country in Europe is going to hereafter assume their neighbors will try the same thing...exactly like it was for 2500 years prior to WWII.
And what are the stakes? The stakes are control of Crimea and secure supply lines to there. Why Crimea? Because it allows Russia to control the Black Sea basin, and therefore all the routes from central Asian and Near East energy to Europe.
So, you want to know why NATO didn't go away after the end of the Cold War? It didn't go away because nature abhors a vacuum.
And the security implications of the only candidates to fill that vacuum were all bad for a future without military adventurism.
While NATO was there - even if only in token numbers - there was no room for an EU Army.
Seems like trading a small problem of achieving a captive customer for a 900-lb Gorilla Problem - an Army supported by 3-times Russia's population, and 10 times its GDP over the nearest border, and looking for a fight.
Strategically there's no way short of depopulating Europe via Nukes to keep them from getting energy if they become militarily determined to get it.
And this whole fiasco seems tailor-made to make them determined.
This doesn't seem like Chess to me. Chess is about understanding people's options and motivations.
Does anyone think that Europe will not re-arm if a major European nation is militarily cut in two?
Is this from FB?
and:
the militias of eastern Ukrain wouldn't have been able to achieve the success they are demonstrating without Russia's support.
The Russians in Novorossia fight to defend their families and children and their home land (which by the way, was until 1924 since 1000 years russian...)
The quote is funny:
the militias of eastern Ukrain wouldn't have been able to achieve the success they are demonstrating without Russia's support.
Once again: those fighters have nowhere to go. They fight to defend themselves. And then it is a different motivation, like the Ua army, where nobody wants to fight and kill his brothers on the other side.
It is just a stupid NATO and zionist wish, that Ukies and Russians kill each other.
It lost me at "NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg".
Anyone care to bet a gazillion dollars that this douche bag is lying ?