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Ron Paul: Ukraine Coup Planned By Nato And EU
As Ron Paul recently exclaimed, the war propagandists are very active and are winning over the support of many unsuspecting American citizens. So we thought the followingg 90 seconds of 'pure Paul' would provide a refreshingly different perspective as he explains, "I'm not pro-Russia, I'm not pro-Putin, I'm pro-facts."
"The Ukraine coup was planned by NATO and EU... The best thing we can do for Ukraine is get the foreigners out."
As Ron Paul previously concluded:
Our government has no more credibility in telling us the truth about the facts that require us to expand our military presence in this region than Brian Williams.
Constant war propaganda has proven too often to be our nemesis in supporting constant war promoted by the neoconservatives and the military industrial complex.
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The only way that Congress can be persuaded to back off with our dangerous interventionism, whether it’s in the Middle East or Ukraine, is for the American people to speak out clearly in opposition.
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Where are the facts Mr Ron Paul?
Ron Paul is making up stuff in order to sell products to disciples.
Coup in Ukraine was staged by Putin via Yanukovych. Yanuk did not camapaign on joing eurasian union.
Joining eurasian union was a coup d'etat by Putin and Yanukovych.
What happened was the counter coup, which yes, was urged by USA and nato
EKM1,
You are embarrassing yourself. A BROKE government is stealing here. Can you not see who is broke?
RIPS
EKM1, how is the air conditioning at US Misinformation Warfare Headquarters? Do you get paid weekly or bi-weekly? Then again, at $15/hr, who cares, right...
Lying for a living. Don't he know that politics pays better? Maybe he's just packin' his resume.
EKM just graduated to my do not bother to read comment list.
Maybe PPT really stands for Piss Poor Trolls.
British Battalion 77 peter puffers have arrived.. EKM, which barracks you out of? I am sure you will tell us next multiculturism is strengthing Britain..
Ha ha...love the -1 against each of the comments above.
I guess EKM1 doesn't agree with everybody elses' view that he's a dickhead.
Winston, I don't know if you have noticed, but over the last few months the State Department Internet posters have moved away from ZH. Perhaps they consider us a lost cause. But some months back they were still very active here, posting sometimes dozens of State Department talking points, but winning no converts. As of late, they have withdrawn to troll more mainstream blogs and News Paper comments sections.
The one benefit of the Ukraine Coup and civil war has been the western media exposing it'self like never before as one channel propaganda. Never before has media told so many demonstrable lies in so short a time. The transparent lies have begun to catch many people's attention. The script they read from is not at all clever or well thought out. The script is terribly transparent, and so easily proved to be lies.
So, will this new war propaganda win? So far I say it's 75 yes, 25% no. So many Americans just lap up the lies without trying to get the real story. Fools have been fooled over and over again, but they come back for more. Sad to say!
Syria gave me a tiny sliver of hope. Just a sliver tho.
"The one benefit of the Ukraine Coup and civil war has been the western media exposing it'self like never before as one channel propaganda."
I agree 100% with this; more and more people are seeing the US state sponsored propaganda for what it is.
In regards to "So, will this new war propaganda win?":
I stated here before that the secondary objective of modern state sponsored propaganda in the west is to gain popular support, but the main objective is to send out the "offical accepted version of world events", meaning that it does not matter if 99% of Americans do not believe it. So long as America does not erupt in a civil war, what the state sponsored media says stands and nothing else matters and will be ignored. Anyone asking questions or causing trouble will be pointed to or judged based on that propaganda as if it was truth. Pretty much 1984.
About time old Ron figured out what most of us knew when it happened.
Maybe he just has the names incorrect.
Ron Paul is covering and diverting attention away from the fact that this is not "NATO and EU" it is US and ISRAEL.
I used to truct Ron Paul now I see him as part of the problem. He cover for the Zionist and seems more like controlled opposition. When he had a chance to act he resigned, he server them better as distracting noise.
When Ron Paul says look over there, then there is something to look at but most likely he is pointing you away from it. When Ron calls out his own son as a traitor then he will have some credibility.
are you smoking crack?
Ron Paul wants to end foreign aid to Israel, how is he 'covering' for the Zionist?
Rand is.
Ron says look over there, foreign aid to Israel.
Ron makes sure not to ask you to look at the dual citizens holding key govt positions, the evidence of Israel's involvement in 911, the ties between Israel and NSA/CIA, Israel assisting ISIS/al-cia, never pointed out the ties between Israel and the criminals in WUke, never mentioined all the ties between the jewish controllers of the FED and Israel.
His son is playing the Zionist game in hopes to become (some day) president and in doing so to be the same false hope as Obama was to some.
Ron tries to excuse his son by saying the son is his own person - but never calls out how his son serves the zionists and betrays what the blind believe Ron stands for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpEl_mXWsvE
http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/ron-pauls-biggest-supporter-is-...
https://seeker401.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/ron-pauls-biggest-donor-a-bil...
Just sayin. There is plenty out there. I used to like him too and do like much about him. He may be controlled opposition though.
Hard to say for sure and hard to sift through it all but the pessimist in me says grass roots don't exist in the US and at the very least he is questionable.
He's from Toronto... the navel of the Universe (in their own opinion). Their view of the world is somewhat distorted, and "potted"...
The state-sponsored anti-russian propaganda in Canada is in overdrive. Harper has gone full retard and traitor to appease to certain foreign interests.
Most people don't believe the nonsense whatsoever. EKM, I don't get why he is so special as to actually believe it. He speaks for no-one.
Canada just happened to be where the allies shipped the Ukrainian Nazis and SS veterans after World War II. The allies knew their strong anti communist and anti Russia bent, so figured to save as many as possible to form the useful agents they and their families now are. Harper is feeding those Western Ukrainian trolls and they in turn help ramp up public opinion into fever pitch.
I am sick of this shit. My response to every person who repeats the lies, I will tell them that it is "their duty to go to this war in person, I will not accpet bullshit lies and then people asking others to due the fighting!" Put up or shut up assholes!
Why does the west feed this war fever, and why the coup in the first place? War allows the public to be stripped of tax revenues, it allows national security to trump privacy and freedom, and it allows politicians to claim a patriotic mandate to rule us. Plus corporate profits and stocks are off the charts money makers.
This is true. They are scattered all over alberta and Sk. I met one recently that was bragging about cross burnings in Provost. Provost is a nazi ukranian KKK town
Quoting Jack Burton:
"I am sick of this shit. My response to every person who repeats the lies, I will tell them that it is "their duty to go to this war in person, I will not accpet bullshit lies and then people asking others to due the fighting!" Put up or shut up assholes!"
I couldn't have said better myself. As a former grunt who saw some action when I was young and very stupid, any idiot advocating violence against others should put their money where their mouth is and lead by example.
Instead we have this hypocrite drone army, spewing endless BS to induce others to die for their shabby causes, cowards hiding behind keyboards. To hell with all of them!
"You are embarrassing yourself. A BROKE government is stealing here. Can you not see who is broke?"
Good stuff. However, it is a broke government tool, wardog, of a broke and desperate Zion that is stealing MORE here.
The banksters need to repay us.
So you have evidence hat the election of Yanukovych was rigged?
Please share.
http://www.kas.de/ukraine/en/publications/21063/
This is from Konrad-Adenauer Stiftung a NOG from Germany. So this mght be propaganda or not. In fact there never were real elections Ukraine ever. Lawful was not one government there.
Elections don't meet the West's standards unless their puppets win.
This
Konrad-Adenauer-Siftung is anything but an unbiased organisation. Actually it is a transatlantic networking group in the business to spread neocon messages in Germany. The page you refer to does not contain ANY actual, proven issue but just the general out-of-the-air claim that the elections didn't meet demoratic standards.
Try harder, Neocon troll.
Are you claiming that Ron Paul was wrong when he said that we had a recording of the assistant US secretary of state and the US ambassador to Ukraine discussing who is going to take power in Ukraine BEFORE the coup in Ukraine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvRljAaNgg
Nuland did the right thing. It prepared the counter coup against Putin's coup
Yes, Nuland took part in starting a civil war that has killed innocent people. That is obviously the right thing. Civil war is good for the people, or didn't people realize that?
JESUS! FUCK!
EU-Ukraine-Russia trade deals are NONE OF OUR FUCKING BUSINESS!
Eurasian union meant instant civil war in Ukraine. West ukraine hates russians.
War became inevitable.
Putin broke the truce by Budapest Memorandum
Putin initiated civil war. West ukraine will never ever ever accept to be part of eurasian union. War became inevitable by Putin
Nuland helped ukrainians not getting cleansed by Putin. That is it.
Let's not forget Criminal Joe Biden's son with the engineered Fascist coup "all done by design, all done by agenda."
Vice President Joe Biden’s visit Saturday to Ukraine in support of the country's new democratic government is renewing concerns about his youngest son being hired by a Ukraine company promoting energy independence from Moscow.
Hunter Biden will be working for the company while his father and others in the Obama administration attempt to influence energy policies and other issues of the new government, which is gripped in a struggle with Russia and pro-Russian separatists to control the county.
It is Kolomoiskyi's company
Your powers of visual interpretation are seriously wanting. No worries though. The world also needs idiots and morons. Keep repudiating your bullshit .
"The world also needs idiots and morons."
The problem is there are too many of them and the worst part, they are allowed to vote.
The worst part is how many of them are in government.
FIFY
so the Nazi Ukies could have gone about their protests by peaceful means but Nazis gonna Nazi and tortured, burned, raped and stole their merry way across the countryside. Even the Ukies have had enough of their shit and have tried to pull them back at various times just to see the Nazis flex and storm the buildings of their own gov.
As I write this I am wondering what ahit are you trying to pull? You don't seem to be a satire artist like MDB. Paid troll? Maybe. I don't see how anyone can objectively read the news and come to the same conclusions as you.
He's a shill and a fool. And clearly proud of it.
That is some seriously fucked up reasoning. The US did the right thing by kicking off something that was inevetable and accomplished nothing except putting the US and Russia closer to war, which, BTW would go nuclear. You call that the right thing? You're fucking nuts. This should be none of the US's fucking business. I'm sick of sending our soldiers over to die for somebody else's cause. Why don't you Eastern Europeans solve your own fucking problems?
USA is now the business of world police. Becoming a soldier is the safest way of employment.
World security is USA's export now. There is no other way, for now.
Soldiers know very well they will end up in interventions, but they like the money and the thrill of it.
Nobody forces young people to enroll. The money and the thrill entice them to
So you want us to solve your problems? Being globo-cop is proving to be an unethical gig for the US, and should stop.
And have you ever heard a US soldier talk about how they were defending the US in our interventionist wars? I have. They actually believe it. Young people don't know what they are signing up for, and often they fail to realize what they have done after they are finished.
So, again, why can't you Eastern Euroopeans solve your own fucking problems? You know that the US is not going to be able to backstop you forever. What then?
Yes. I've spoken with many.
Most love it being in the military, absolutely love it
Gee, that must explain the excessively high suicide rate amongst US vets.
"Most love it being in the military, absolutely love it "
I believe it. Oh, the gory glory. Oh, the rush of being tough and exerting power.
...& dumb women love a douche with a paycheck in a tidy uniform.
That love generally stops suddenly when they come to suffer the consequences of their choice (i.e. the possibility of getting maimed or dying in combat). The military is a wonderful (state supported and encouraged) vehicle for crass freeloading, until a war happens. Then, a soldier's personal ROI becomes dramatically (even terminally, for many) NEGATIVE !
You make your bed, and then you lay in it.
No soldiers = no war.
These fools can just fuck off.
Course they do. They're sociopaths like you to whom only personal gain, even at the cost of murderung others whom just want to live their lives is justified.
A lot of these kids just do what their parents want them to do---very sad---kids come home with no legs and look at dad and ask why?
Dispute resolution ? Kill someone is your only way- look at your films, entertainment; there is a bad guy and then the "good guy" kills him. It has all become part of your psyche, as ultimately any of your disputes has to be resolved in this way; but the resentment you leave behind has a price.
If you complain about others, you should go home and conduct a self examination.
EKM1:
You want to know what your masters think of the military?
POS Kissinger actually told the truth for once when he explained how "“Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”
There was a time when you posted decent blogs.
Have you totally lost your marbles, or are you pulling an MDB?
Somebody seems to have hacked the ekm1 account. He was always sort of necon, but never this blatantly wacko before.
always this blatant
Always this wacko, you mean...
He's Eastern European. I suspect that some deep cultural hatred of the Russians going back a century or 5 has something to do with it. I want nothing to do with that tribal mentality bullshit when it comes to a potential US-Russia confrontation because I don't want to see mushroom clouds over Kirtland AFB with my own eyes. Call me crazy for that.
He's Albanian, which makes him half Latvian, half Polack, and half Bulgoslovenakian.
WTF you fascist, the world does not want or need American storm troopers telling them how to run their lives for the benefit of America. History is a story of lesser powers uniting to oppose tyranny and eventually winning, this will be no different. Get the fuck back in your cave deep in exceptionalist Anglo-American fantasy land and leave the rest of the world the fuck alone.
But what about the movie Star Wars?
Putin is Darth Vader.
We're "the rebellion."
We get to have the Imperial Walkers this time.
I'm "Han Solo."
All the acting is wrong here.
You all are mearly seeing yourselves as who you are...not who you truly want to be.
This is it folks! THE BIG ONE!
Now is NOT the time to be a Debbie Downer!
Fulfill your destiny!
The Emperor has forseen this!
And...ACTION!
@EKM
'world security'
Right: let's have a little stock take shall we of those recent lucky nations receiving the security export.
Iraq
Libya
Egypt
Yemen
Ukraine
Somalia
Notice the trend? All places of great insecurity due to US led attempts to insert or maintain puppet client governments whose purpose is to loot their host countries.
You used to make sense on some issues, even when you were needlessly cryptic you were thought provoking. Hell, you even called for oil to trade with a $40 handle even though your reasoning was off, it Has happened.
You have lost the plot tonight.
A perfect spot for the absence of government....ANARCHY!!!!
west Ukraine troubles is pollacks...is former Polish lands
carrying on centuries traditions of lack of both logic and reason..
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Nuland got a lot of people dead, and not mind at all
agenda is against Slavs, and more dead is easier for takings.
You seem to make a clear distinction between East ukraine and West Ukraine. That seems reasonable, given the respective histories of the two disparate regions.
Exactly who has got a problem with accepting that reality?
MDB mated with marla and your the evil spawn...
actually it was the USA that broke the Budapest Memorandum by meddling into Ukraine's affairs. Sorry, you lose yet again, ekm1. Your facts are not the real facts.
Then split the fucking country into West Ukraine and East Ukraine and save tens of thousands of lives and possibly WWIII.
It ain't fucking difficult. But Raytheon wouldn't profit, would it.
Oh, and fuck Noodleman, too.
Nazi.
because... Putin wants to rule a basket case? that's why he started a civil war?
I haven't heard any logical arguments for why Putin would want to take over the Ukraine. Next I'll hear he wants to take over Greece. For what purpose? Cos he wants their monuments? Or does he like their national debt and 30 hour workweek?
The Russians are saying they are intervening to protect russian people.
The West claims Russia is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.
On the other hand the west is trying to expand NATO up to Russia's border (think of it as a 'western union').
So even if Putin wants to recreate the USSR, why is it 'bad' when he wants to do it, but 'OK' when the west wants to do it? What is the distinction? Let me guess... human rights? Well the USA with a population of 330 million has MORE people incarcerated than CHINA with 1.2 BILLION people. (4x). Where's the 'human rights'?
How many countries has Russia invaded. I'll even give you Crimea, so Crimea and Georgia.. that's 2.
How many countries has the USA invaded... Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia.
I can't follow the logic.
If "West ukraine hates russians", and the eastern half of Ukraine is Russian speakers who feel a close tie to their motherland,
then
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU BE SCHLEPPING A PLAN TO FORCE THEM TO STAY BOTTLED UP IN A COUNTRY TOGETHER?
JESUS.
IT'S LIKE YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A SINGLE OPERATING BRAIN CELL.
NOT ONE!
HOLY FUCK. I SERIOUSLY AM GETTING SICK OF THE BULLSHIT YOU GUYS SPOUT. I MEAN, LOOK AT ME. I'M SCREAMING ON A BLOG SITE.
Time for a double of something, apparently.
I recommend: http://www.absinth.com/
NATO / IMF controling Ukraine, along with Sevastopol, is instant suicide for Russia.
Their choice was give in or fight.
War became inevitable when NATO expanded toward Russia -
It is well known that Russia will not give up Sevastopol, will not give up Ukraine to a foreign military alliance.
'Nuland did the right thing'...sure...unless you believe in that whole 'democracy' thingy.
An elected government was overthrown in violent protests that it appears the US organized and aided.
This was done because NATO was displeased that the Ukes were not willing to move closer to the EU.
NATO has shamelessly disregarded the agreements made way back when Gorby was in charge. They have place missiles in Poland fer-cryin-out loud.
I think if I were Putin (and Russia) I'd be worried.
That's a bingo!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5pESPQpXxE
+1 for the Inglourious reference
ah, nuland, mccrazy, kristol, et al , are "just soft" war criminals.
Nuland has never done the "right thing" in her entire fucking life.
I agree...the follow through here has been pretty weak.
First she starts a war with the Russians, then she tells Europe to take a hike.
Putin does in fact attack.
Now what?
"Coup in Ukraine was staged by Putin via Yanukovych. Yanuk did not camapaign on joing eurasian union.
Joining eurasian union was a coup d'etat by Putin and Yanukovych.
What happened was the counter coup, which yes, was urged by USA and nato "
Yanukovych WAS the sitting head of state was he not? IS the act of forcing trade or legislative or executive action by an elected official or body whether of their own instigation or at the instigation of foreign interests, against the wishes of the populace, only considered a coup uniquely in Ukraine or must the same consideration for popular opion be given to the peoples of the nations of Europe and to the people of the United States?
"Nuland did the right thing. It prepared the counter coup against Putin's coup "
Wouldn't the re-installation of the former legitimate govenment have been the proper legal course of action?
Would not promotion of or demand for new and stringently monitored elections have been more 'democratic'?
"Eurasian union meant instant civil war in Ukraine. West ukraine hates russians.
War became inevitable.
Putin broke the truce by Budapest Memorandum
Putin initiated civil war. West ukraine will never ever ever accept to be part of eurasian union. War became inevitable by Putin
Nuland helped ukrainians not getting cleansed by Putin. That is it."
Eastern Ukraine appears to love Russia just as much as East Ukraine hates it. Easterners didn't want to be pushed into the EU and NATO and Westerners didn't want to be pused in the Eurasion/Russian sphere.. Easterners are in fact largly ethnic Russians and speak Russian. They trade almost exclusively with Russia.
Civil war is a stupid and arrogant and destructive construct of oligarchy clinging to power and/or foreign imperialism seeking to extend hedgemony.
IMHO, it would appear that the best resolution for both polarized and ethnically divided peoples would be a partition: the ethnically Russian and Eurasian inclined east to be free to live with or even join Russia, and the ethnically Ukrainian and EU inclined west to live free or even join the EU.
Please, let us not shoot down ekm1 before we hear more of his views and his rational for them.
I have posted what I feel are the most important points of clarification and rebuttal to his posts.
-I invite ekm1 to do the same.
Lastly: I've long since given up on Ron Paul DOING what a patriot really would do if his position had been achieved...
He is a private shmo now hucking books and making paid aprearances. I didn't see Ron Paul come to lead and grand movement to expose and depose tyranny and statism from the United States and I don't see Ron Paul leading any grand movement to do it now that his time in high office has passed...
RP has a lot more try to fix than your petty ass talkings
ROFL!
What HAS Ron Paul fixed? His whole political career and what has been accomplished?
Believe me: there was a time when I was involved, when I voted, and voted for Ron Paul -and other candidates that made claims to be different and that they would get things done.
NOTHING was accomplished. NOTHING.
The time for political rhetoric unbacked by action has passed.
Now it is time for other more meaningful and direct forms of resistance and subversion.
Watch Greece. For once talk may be a precursor to action.
inane
get lost goat
Oh ekm 1, puhleease! Yanukovych was elected by the people of Ukraine.
How is an elected leader ousted by pro a EU Maidan which is supported by: the EU, NATO, our State Department, and meddling U.S. Senators - a coup by Putin?
What is it you are smoking to make you believe such a thing?
Observable facts do not matter to the narrative. Most will not look at them anyway. Putin could be the most evil sonofabitch the world has ever seen, and that still would not justify our destabilizing Ukraine.
You realize Ukraine was totally broke well before any of this? Deeply in debt, big bills to pay, pooched economy? That sound stable to you?
The reason Yanukovych was trying to obtain an association with the EU at all was because Ukraine was so broke and desperate for a new sugar daddy.
And Yanukovych definitely would have gone that way too, if the IMF had not tried to fuck Ukraine so badly that Yanukovych was forced to walk away as it was national financial suicide to accept the terms Legarde wanted to inflict.
The real source of the instability was Ukraine's own mess.
What came next was just the rush to get the best bits of the carcass.
So who was doing, or rather had already done, the destabilizing of the country?
Yes, Ukraine was a corrupt broke mess. Why the fuck were our politicians over there? Why were they acting as though they knew that "Yats" was going to be the new PM? Why the fuck was John Brennan over there? What fucking business is it of ours?
The time will end for us as Global Cop as it always has in history. This is assured. However, only after millions have died during the posturing. And those who have played this role have never risen to that status again.
This country will pay, including the innocents who were against the whole thing in the first place. We just get to watch while others distract themselves with amusements and trinkets.
It is not our business now nor ever was. Why Ron Paul wasnt elected just blows my mind. That was our last hope for redemption.
Miffed
It's not global cop. It's global robbery.
Haven't you been paying attention to policing in the US lately? Civil asset forefitures plus shooting people because they dared to turn their back on the police while holding a plastic spoon means that cops and robbers are often one in the same.
The term you're looking for is protection racket.
Nicely said, I see you have no trouble coming to terms with it, must be trauma ward experience kicking in.
I accept the reality of it but this is no means a personal relief of my own responcibilities as a participant nor is it an escape into futility of action. Yes, if omnipotent, I would end this fast but since I am woefully lacking in such power I must content myself to personal and local rebellion. I hope others will join me at some point but it is always unwise to count on others.
Americans have become slothful and content in their status in the world. It is ending now but few truly perceive it being subtle at this stage. When one is unconcerned about the atrocities this country is perpetuating on its own citizens or those in other nations, be it overt attacks or political manuovering, then ones humanity is lost. I am not sure if it can be truly recovered. We brand our leaders as psychopathic but we should examine our own hearts as well.
Yes, the inward trauma ward is not very pleasant. ;-)
Miffed
Perspective Miffed, as far as primates go, we do pretty well for ourselves, wouldn't you say? Our 'Humanity's' an ideal, and maybe a high ideal, that can substitute for religion in some people. You can lose your religion, so an ideal can go away too.
But if humanity is a lose-able ideal, then what are we, at that point? We are something that we have never come across before. We might discover we have more going for us than an ideal.
So don't be too hard on us, we give a good account of ourselves all things considered ... compared to other monkeys ... Best Monkey Award for 2015 goes too ... Miffed!!
You have that. ;-)
Didn't you get the word Western powers love debt?
Just look at the US government
You don't really need a lesson on how geopolitics is played do you? I'll give you credit and presume you don't. But you better start to get real about this ElV, it isn't going to go away via wishes and idealism.
It is real, and it is ugly, and it is about survival, or else not, and you do have to accept that it's happening and face it as it is, not how you would wish it to be.
And that's all the slack I'm ever cut you on this topic.
Serious question: Do you support a war with Russia? Because that is a very real danger with the kind of geopolitics being played today.
Of course not.
That said, it appears one key Russian does support war with NATO, given actions speak louder than words. It won't take long to find out if Putin is effectively suicidal. I think he's certainly become erratic over the past year, and made unexpectedly bad choices and extraordinary mistakes. I've been amazed by how badly he's done. So if this goes pear-shaped his recent judgement and decision-making under pressure doesn't inspire confidence.
There's a moderate to reasonably good chance we're stuffed.
That's very magnanimous of you.
You must have patience with us peons. Not all of us went to Duntroon and had the honor of serving the Empire.
Thanks again, milord.
I expect assumptive dumbness from you, Prisoner, ElV is a lot brighter.
Yanukovych pivoted to Russia for a saving loan and then what happened when he did not take money from EU bankers to prolong their party, that's right Nuland showed up to kick his ass out.. Get with the everlasting gobstopper of debt program or get "destabilized"
Yanuk was only thief, not open murderer...
He also Ukrainian, not outsider alien passport gang
Hefar lesser heavy handed than the "Red" mafiya now in Kiev..who prove themselves killers.
Walk it off, lampshade.
ROFL!
Zero credibility.
With all the propaganda dished out to the people it's difficult to know who staged what. But at least there are some facts, where eyerybody can draw conclusions.
French, German and Polish foreign ministers negotiated a deal with Yanukovich to have elections in September 2014. In the evening after this deal people on Maidan Sq. got shot. This caused the putsch against the government.
So the trigger was the shooting on Maidan Sq. which was never really investigated.
All actions afterwards was reaction and counter-reaction by the involved parties.
Nulands phone call is fact as well. This is an evidence of US involvement. Whether they initiated the shootings or Yanukovichs people for me is not proven, but likely. Why should Yanukovich do this, a couple of hours after he signed a deal with EU?
Let's also not forget Criminal Psychopath / Sociopath Nuland's 5 Billion Dollar Fascist investment
Victoria Nuland - Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasian Affairs
US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe, Nuland said: “Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form of government - all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of Ukraine’s European. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals. ” Nuland said the United States will continue to “promote Ukraine to the future it deserves.”
Not to mention the repeated strange coincidence that the Nazi violence ramps up after visits from major US/CIA gov actors.
The trolls are weak today.
Nuland has admitted publicaly that State Dept has spent $ 5 Billion influencing Kiev regime change over last several years. Granted much of this was in form of encouraging ex-patriots here in States, propoganda directed towards Ukrainian citizens and aide money. Only people in government know how much was allocated for actual arms but everyone knows the activities of Neocons in Washington. The point is the US encourages regime change and recently has had a dismal record of failure and huge wasteful spending. Just look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Georgia, Yeman and now Ukraine. Ron Paul is correct
Please bring the real and original ekm back he was interesting, this ekm1 imposter is a retarded troll.
This is a hobby for me. I can stop commenting anytime.
I won't burn a single brain cell on zerohedge any longer, if that is what commenters want.
Don't worry, and keep babbling. You have very little to "burn", anyway...
No, please continue to comment. I do not agree with your view of a pentagon-bankers fight however. I have told you that different times, but you do not bring arguments to support that position. I studied in Toronto for a short while, great city !
If EKM is from Toronto then it all makes sense. Canadian government-sponsored anti-russian propaganda is in overdrive. The Harper government has gone insane with Zionist and American-gov appeasement.
Although from what I have seen most Canadians aren't brainwashed by the government bullshit. EKM is special I guess.
US and Canada's foreign policy are most likely identical on the big geopolitical issues.
You write "Canadian government-sponsored anti-russian propaganda is in overdrive."
To which I would cryptically say : " Truth is the first casualty of war"; or less cryptically : you really believe Canada to be anti-Russian ? You seem to have a bit of reading and thinking about geopolitics to do, my friend.
so you admit you are trolling. That give me the right to ignore you from now on then. Is there a way to make somebody's posts invisible? i sggest everyne simply ignores him from now on. that way he will just be talking to himself.
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Tyler,
ban that government troll please. I think we are all tired of his nonesense.
He shouldn't be banned. He serves as a guide for the intent of the cabal. For each tree is known by its own fruit.
Seems like you and freedom 123 are butt budies.Do us all a favor and use a nailgun on yourself. You can start at your kneecaps and work your way up
So, in your bubble, a country's leader can only establish trade deals/policies/legislature et cetera that he campaigned on, and anything else he did not take to a previous election is a coup d'état even if it is a simple trade deal benefitting the people?
You're not this stupid, please stop.
ekm1,
It seems that there are at least 180 more Puutie lovers on ZH than there are freedom lovers.
Yanuk style of corrupt government is their idea of perfection. How could a population not love being ruled by corrupt judiciary, police and prosecuters?
I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do... www.globe-report.com
Your country is a festering pile of shit. I hope the Russians take it back and run it properly.
Ukraine can be reduced to Pripyat for all I care.
This guy ekm1 must bf confused and does not know who Ron Paul is!!!!!!
Ron Paul is 100% correct, much to the chagrin of Zio-con usurpers.
Ron Paul is 100% correct, much to the chagrin of the new army of ZH trolls who are here to usurp common sense. Gas Lighting anyone?
These "Agent Smith" Trolls would have better success Gas Lighting their own Farts.
"I'm not pro-Russia, I'm not pro-Putin, I'm pro-facts."
Bravo. That should be the standard reply to the disgusting neo-nazi and zionist trolls crawling around the net.
I'm pro minding our own affairs; last time I checked we had plenty of problems right here in America that could use the billions we waste overseas......
but to achieve that goal we need a coup of the coup. mic is running the show taking orders from money central. the cabel of bankers joined by common goal...
Of course. Maidan terrorists were trained months before in Poland:
Ukraine: Poland trained putchists two months in advancehttp://www.voltairenet.org/article183373.html
And now USA and Ukraine are destroying the new ceasefire:
US and Ukrainian officials seek to torpedo Minsk cease-fire agreementhttp://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/02/14/ukra-f14.html
If the NWO is successful in killing Ukranian's it won't be long before they start killing Americans. Globalists are traitors against all nations.
Ding...ding...ding!
We have a winner here, folks!
Laup Nor is batshit crazy, and everything he says should be viewed through that filter.
If he is so crazy.....why has he been right?
Maybe right on some things, a little too selective in his "pro-facts" status, check what he says on 9/11. It's enough to question his credibility.
What did he say? Link please.
Its not what you know, its what you can prove and not get killed for saying.
Great sentiments and rhetoric, not much else, as what he's calling for is the end of US involvement in NATO.
OK, what then?
US forces have to leave Europe ... completely, the lot.
But Europe is most definitely not going to butt-out of the changing of borders in Ukraine using Russian force and support.
He seems to want to ignore that Russia is in fact attacking Ukraine, has stolen its navy, has taken Crimea, and has tried to carve off more and more of Eastern Ukraine, even in the past couple of days.
"I'm pro-facts."
OK, but are you also prepared to accept the implications and imperatives that those facts, Ron?
OK, what then?
PEACE
Peace since WWII involved the "balance of terror" of MAD.
It is a BALANCE of forces and strategy and position.
Change the balance radically and the strategic game changes radically, i.e. not-peace.
And it happens in multiple locations.
Fact: Crimea was 'gifted' to Ukraine in the 1950's by crazy Khrushchev without a plebiscite.
Fact: Crimea voted for reunification when given the chance.
Fact: Ukraine only owned the Sevastopol Navel base by the graciousness of Russia.Russia even paid for a lease.
Fact: The Ukrainian Navy was allowed to exit Sevastopol after the reunification vote. Why would Russia want their junk?
Fact: Sevastopol would never have been given up by Russia regardless of the reunification vote just as the USSA refuses to leave Guantanamo.
Fact: Russia has given Ukraine control of all the borders including the break away provinces with the new Minsk agreement.
Fact: You are full of shit.
Fact: Crimea is the UN recognized Sovereign territory of Ukraine in law.
Fact: Crimea being Ukrainian territory is recognized by the overwhelming majority of countries on Earth.
Deal with it.
UN does not recognize the Kosovo entity, but it still exists. UN din't sanction the entire war against Serbia, but it still took place. Reality is different than UN's view of the world, and the realities on the ground in Ukraine are changing as we speak. Deal with it !
just want to interject that all these accords ect. mean jackshit when war is the outcome.
hows that constitution thingy working for us mericans?
On the side of truth, and speaking of the UN recognizing, here is some real sad truth no one wants to accept.:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02/05/isis-idf-link/
I read that story and read the links within never does it say ISIL, it does say "moderate rebels", now if that is code for ISIL so be it, but it does not say ISIL..
Fact: The UN is not a sovereign state.
Fact: The UN is funded mainly by the U.S
Fact: The UN has no authority to recognize any state.
Fact: The UN 'supposedly' supports self determination by it's very charter.
Fact: You are still full of shit.
i.e. Europe doesn't want the US to leave, and Washington does not want the US to leave either.
SO THE USA IS NOT LEAVING EUROPE
Get it?
Both consider this to be in their vital interests.
So these also are the facts of the situation, and you can try to ignore these facts, because you do not like them, you do not like the ugliness of geopolitics, but that changes nothing about geopolitics.
All I'm doing here is pointing that out.
So cry a river of tears if you think it changes anything, or that if merely I changed my mind, it would make you less pissy and aggrieved.
But those facts of this situation, will remain.
That's where Ron Paul, and people like you, have your heads rammed firmly up your butts, screaming to mother to make it all go away.
And I understand (perfectly) why you would want the world to be different than it is, but it simply isn't going to be.
Now seriously, grow up and try to cope with that, rhetorical fantasies don't help.
bored
"Both consider this to be in their vital interests."
Good sir, whos interests?
Certainly you do not refer to the average American.
From this heart, how does the extreme waste of manpower and money and MIC profit pumping for moar bankster profits become a "vital interest" to we, the average Americans? How is that "in their vital interest" to the rest of the world? All the warmongering for profits, world domination, and population elimination is NOT interesting, or in the better "interests" of America and the world's people at all.
How can you justify the out right blatant murder of innocents, women, and children for the moneygod? Whose really vitally interested in that? Constant never ending warmongering in foreign lands is NOT the choice of real truth following Americans at all, nor in their best interests. It is ONLY for evil zionist/luciferian/sataninc interests and NO covering up that FACT will change this truth.
Darn, never thought about disagree with you before, for your truth really lit the Way for many here once ago.
From this perspective, if they were to go after the evil bankster empire of chaotic dust in Europe, THAT would be of "vital interest" to the freedom loving American people. In fact, the world would rejoice if ALL these evil things were rounded up and placed on an island in the middle of the ocean to do what they will. Good riddance say we all! War is of NO vital interest to anyone. It just does not work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGpwKQo5_Z0
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Ok, consider: 'civilians' are seen by the military to be little more than a special form of disorderly pre-soldier, some of which can be conscripted and ordered into battle to live or die to achieve state objectives. Plenty ugly, but there it is.
If politics fails, by say natural disaster, or riot, the military takes over and Marshall law is imposed, and the real power center is revealed. The President is a Commander, you think he's a 'civilian', but he's the ultimate military head in the US, as is Putin.
Now, do you think they accommodate the will and desire of the average citizen, or be impressed with heartfelt demands if questions of vital interest, such as the arbitrary changing of internationally recognised borders, via aggressive invasive armed conflict is occurring, destabilising countries and regions? Are they going to listen to the morals, values, aspirations and demands of voters, or do what they need to do to stop an expansionist power?
Now you don't see it as "vital", and I get that, but they most certainly do.
As they see it if this is allowed to go by unchallenged, it will begin to occur everywhere, simultaneously. Borders will change by warfare, the entire world will be engulfed in war again, because the very thing that occurred in WWII is then happening again, aggressive territorial conquest.
Pakistan wants Kashmir, so it takes it by force, India eventually launches tactical nukes.
You can no doubt see how this will playout, right?
So that is the vital national interest that they are considering here. And they know the civilians will not want to face it, but the military will know that it must be faced, immediately.
And that is what is now happening.
I've been saying since early 2014 this can get very dangerous. And now it is.
So do you now see that it is actually is a vital interest, and that it will trump civilian demands for peace and no intervention policy?
It really will become a matter of survival - or non.
"If politics fails, by say natural disaster, or riot, the military takes over and Marshall law is imposed,"
Ah Ha!
Now we know you are not the real good hearted Element. He never would have misspelled MARTIAL law!
Dear God, please bring back the real intelligent and truth bearing, Element!
We loved him for his well positioned truth. He was only about peace and sanity. Not moar war, and moar insanity.