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Cometh The Censor
Submitted by Fred Reed via Fred On Everything blog,
I see with no surprise that Washington is stepping up its campaign to censor the internet. It had to come, and will succeed. It will put paid forever to America’s flirtation with freedom.
The country was never really a democracy, meaning a polity in which final power rested with the people. The voters have always been too remote from the levers of power to have much influence. Yet for a brief window of time there actually was freedom of a sort. With the censorship of the net—it will be called “regulation”—the last hope of retaining former liberty will expire.
Over the years freedom has declined in inverse proportion to the reach of the central government. (Robert E. Lee: “I consider the constitutional power of the General Government as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.” Yep.)
Through most of the country’s history, Washington lacked the ability to meddle, control, micromanage, and punish. In 1850, it had precious little knowledge of events in lands such as Wyoming, Tennessee, or West Virginia, no capacity to do much about them, and not a great deal of interest. People on remote farms and in small towns governed themselves as they chose, not always well but without rule by distant bureaucracies and moneyed interests.
For a sunny few years, local freedom rested substantially on principle, a notion inconceivable now. The Thomas Jeffersons, George Washingtons, and Robert E. Lees genuinely believed in freedom, and worried about the coming of tyranny. Justices of the Supreme Court often upheld the tenets of the Bill of Rights. As human affairs go—poorly, as a rule—it was impressive.
As time went by, however, it became clear that incapacity, not principle, was the only reliable brake on the rise of dictatorship. In 1950, the government could put a mail cover on anyone, quite possibly illegally if the FBI were involved, but steaming envelopes open required time, effort, and manpower. Mass surveillance was impossible, and so didn’t happen. Without surveillance, there can be no control.
For a long time it was due to principle that freedom of the press remained, no matter how much the government hated it. During the war in Vietnam, “underground” papers, which of course published openly, were virulently critical of the government. The mainstream media of the time published shocking photographs of the war, much to the fury of the Pentagon. The courts allowed it.
Today, that has changed. Washington has learned to avoid dissent from its wars by using a volunteer army of men about whom no one of influence cares. The use of “drones” further reduces public interest, and today the major media, owned by corporations aligned with arms manufacturers and manned by intimidated reporters, hide the results on the battlefield. For practical purposes, today’s press is an arm of government.
The old checks and balances, however modest in their effects, have withered. The Supreme Court is now a branch office of Madame Tussaud’s, Congress a two-headed corpse, the Constitution a scrap of moldering parchment remembered only by hopeless romantics, and Washington a sandbox of unaccountable hacks inbred to the point of hemophilia. Obama has discovered that he can do almost anything, calling it an executive order, and no one will dare challenge him.
In its rare waking moments, the Supreme Court has shown little inclination to protect the Bill of Rights, which Washington regards as quaint at best and, usually, an annoyance to be overcome by executive order and judicial somnolence. The obvious reality that having the government read every email, record every telephone conversation, monitor every financial transaction and so on is a gross violation of the Fourth Amendment bothers neither the Supremes nor, heaven knows, the President. It is clearly unconstitutional, but we do not live in constitutional times. Governments aggregate power. They do not relinquish it, short of revolution.
Today the internet is the only free press we have, all that stands against total control of information. Consider how relentlessly the media impose political correctness, how the slightest offense to the protected groups—we all know who they are—or to sacred policies leads to firing of reporters and groveling by politicians. The wars are buried and serious criticism of Washington suppressed. That leaves the net, only the net, without which we would know nothing.
Which is why it must be and will be censored, sooner if Washington can get away with it and later if not. The tactics are predictable. First, “hate speech” will be banned. The government will tell us whom we can hate and whom we cannot. “Hatred” will be vaguely defined so that one will never be sure when one is engaging in it and, since it will be prosecutable, one will have to be very careful. Disapproval of favored groups, or of their behavior, will be defined as hatred. National security will be invoked, silencing whistle-blowers or, eventually, anything that might make the public uneasy with Washington’s wars.
The next step probably will be to block links to foreign sites deemed to transgress. China is good at this. The most likely avenue will be executive orders of increasingly Draconian nature, about which Congress and the Dead—the Supreme Court, I meant to say—will do nothing.
At that point, coming soon to a theater near you, the United States as it was intended to be, and to an extent was, will be over. Our increasingly characterless young, raised to ignorance and Appropriate Thought by government schools, will question nothing. They will have no way of knowing that there is anything to question.
I suppose it can be debated whether the current enstupidation of the rising generations is deliberate or merely the consequence of a return to peasantry inescapable in a democracy. The petulance and immaturity running through so much of society may be inevitable in a spoiled people who have never had to do anything and have never been told “no.” Certainly things today resemble the end games of other once-dominant cultures.
Mental darkness facilitates authoritarianism, and darkness we have. Many college graduates can barely read. Their ignorance of history, politics, and geography (and practically everything else) is profound, and they see no reason why they should know anything. They seem not to suspect that there might be things worth knowing.
I am hard pressed to think of a society in such internal decline that has turned itself around, and I cannot imagine how ours might do so. One sure thing is that, once the internet is gelded, there will be no hope at all. And the assault has begun.
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If they censor the Internet then people will deliver the news by spray paint from a can. Hopefully on historic public buildings.
HOPE.....HOPE AND CHANGE !!!!!!!!!
With Internet censorship, the sen inhofes of the world will have nothing to worry about. Just imagine the kind of shit the govts of the world got away with before the Internet. 20 years ago, no one would have had a credible way to disprove those photographs , and that's the way they like it. The Internet has awakened millions worldwide to the deception and lies , and clearly we can't have that.
When you emote as expected, you'll receive your biscuit.
"First, “hate speech” will be banned. The government will tell us whom we can hate and whom we cannot. “Hatred” will be vaguely defined so that one will never be sure when one is engaging in it"
"Hate speech" is that which goes against the political will of TPTB.
....describes the LA Times comments section to a "T"
average rating after 68 votes is 5!
finally something all at ZH can agree on.
Paid shill for obamatron assclown progressive much?
PROGRESSIVES ARE IN CHARGE.
Progressive want this to stifle opposition.
Big Government Progressives like fucking Hussein Obama want this and assclowns like YOU cover for him.
FOAD.
Grimaldus
It's funny but I just looked up Porgressive in my True Thesaurus and it says "evil-motherfucking-fascist-collective-utopian-tyrrany-loving-asshole". Oblowme must use a different version, as does pretty much everyone in Congress.
Every email, blog post, text and digital cell phone call is catalogued and archived RIGHT NOW! DARPANET was turned over to the public with the slightest of fanfare, but it has turned out to be a giant honeypot, a modern day Trojan Horse that has proven to have drawn in nearly everyone. We all fell for the convenience, the economic bump and the shiny smartphones. Now we can't do without them, we're trapped. We have been slaves for a long time, we are just now waking to the many symptoms of our bondage.
50 shades of all of your freedoms are belong to us........
Ha!
"50 Shades of Serfdom"
We get the government we deserve....
"but it has turned out to be a giant honeypot"
Too big a honeypot. Bureaucrats are, if nothing else, lazy fucks and will always go for the low-hanging fruit and recognition. Just like the 55mph I-95 corridor between Ft Liquordale and Miami in the late 80's. You could usually do 80 with no worries because the cops were either chasing people going faster, or suspected drug dealers. 'Higher value targets' in the vernacular. Similar to the FBI's obsession with Al Capone. How many people made bathtub gin with impunity, because the feds were more concerned with the big story?
They may not have understood that they would get buried in traffic at the outset, but that doesn't mean they would have done anything differently in the beginning. Heck, they really didn't know if it would work at all! Cast a wide net and throw the extra back, is a much better plan than not to go fishing at all. And I do agree that Net Neutrality will give them the authority to do the things they need to take the next step in surveillance, but it is FAR from the beginning.
+1 A Lunatic!
"We have been slaves for a long time, we are just now waking to the many symptoms of our bondage."
some are slower on the uptake than others... believe me when i tell you than many, if not most, of your brethren employed by the State will not be in agreement with such measures - peaceful petition would be the first step (it hasn't seemed to make a dent, but there is still a chance), run to the hills (of another country perhaps) might be a next step, but this stuff is going global. Things are getting interesting now.
either the people awake, or it's not gonna be a world worth living in anyway
did you bring children into this world?
I'm going to Upper Michigan and live off of deer meat until I die of scurvy.
Wild berries and asparagus could buy you some time on that.
Yep. I'll see you folks in the reeducation camp. They'll probably have luxury accomodations for ZH'rs, though.
If you can read this, a Vet had nothing to do with it.
Ugg, why do we entertain such nonsense....
Which is why it must be and will be censored, sooner if Washington can get away with it and later if not. The tactics are predictable. First, “hate speech” will be banned. The government will tell us whom we can hate and whom we cannot. “Hatred” will be vaguely defined so that one will never be sure when one is engaging in it and, since it will be prosecutable, one will have to be very careful. Disapproval of favored groups, or of their behavior, will be defined as hatred. National security will be invoked, silencing whistle-blowers or, eventually, anything that might make the public uneasy with Washington’s wars.
The solution is simple: Remove hatred from your heart -- that's it.
Imagine an existence without hate, can you - do you think it is possible...
Hate is a cancer, eagerly ready to trounce at any moment.
Now, imagine pure white snow... It's beautiful and it's arms are wide open...
Step back -- why is what you believe you believe to be true... Perhaps, the truth is staring right at you, not in some Professors predetermined path!
Yo, short bus - the problem (being discussed) isn't hatred, it is the redefining of hatred as to encompass all forms of dissent and rejection of groupthink. Independent Thought = Hate... capice? You sound like you just did a shift at Minitruth.
Go easy, Bro. A couple of hits of Windowpane and a few bowls before 3;30 in the morning, and you'd be saying the same shit. lol
plus one for windowpane
You seem to be saying that they, TPTB, hate us for our freedoms.
You OP have not studied histrory....this all tends to happen over and over again. Look at history and come back with your scathing retort.
History is simply human psychology played out over time...it repeats or rhymes as some like to say, because the nature of man does not change.
The toys and props get better with time and innovation, but the base nature of those seeking power always leads to the same place..
More like national psychopathy over and over.
This has never happened before. Never have we had the technology to enable so few to control so many so entirely.
No kidding, these folks need to watch The Lives of Others to see the lengths the Stasi had to go to in monitoring their "comrades". Big Brother no longer needs to physically sit in your attic, he can sit in Utah, and be in everyones attic simultaneously.
Everyone needs to watch this movie and then understand that the (R) vs. (D) war means nothing.
...and the advent of drone technology is only going to make control that much easier. It's as scary as hell, really...
Implants. Something that opens a compartment of poison on recieving a code. It's for the children. You could use it to "switch off" paedophiles or terrorists. They're already floating the idea at the sheeple.
Have you been watching Zombie movies lately. Now they are fast and the process spreads through crowds at high speed... Only ideas can spread that fast and only a few chosen will survive.
Bejeebus, he makes it sound like something gnarly happened today.
Bingo SB. This has been building for at least 50 years, and and it took me 40 years to realize something didn't smell right. It took another 10 before I could begin to flesh out what it was and the last five to start putting the pieces together. It gets a bit more 'in your face' with every news cycle.
"The Thomas Jeffersons, George Washingtons, and Robert E. Lees genuinely believed in freedom"
I think it's worth pointing out that the aforesaid august trio of Virginians believed in freedom only for a select group of non native inhabitants.
All three of those men were NATIVE VIRGINIANS.
And they all owned human beings. Washington ripped out their teeth to stick in his own head. Jefferson screwed them. Only Lee freed the people whom he had imprisoned and was later willing to join them in the same house of worship. It was mighty white of his victims to allow him to do so.
And prior to American Revolution the King of England would have owned all three of them. And before their forebearers even landed in North America, some of the locals owned other human beings. Then there is this strange modern psychological and educational dysfunction which perverts the human mind into thinking slavery is a somehow a worse crime than murder...
(Rectification through manumission is more easily accomplished than Resurrection)
Deviation from a full recognition of Natural Rights by anyone including celebrated figures past and present should be neither ignored nor condoned. Washington didn't treat us rednecks much better than he treated his slaves. That old SOB headed a column of troops against Western Pennsylvanians who distilled corn into whiskey because it was the only way to get their produce to market over difficult terrain (which Washington himself knew very well) and the Federal Government wanted a piece of that humblest of pies.
Everybody gets some things wrong. If you ever see me treating any other individual as something I own please do me the favor of pointing it out. I point out what I see as problems with this country, past and present, because for some reason I still care for it and I want it to have the benefit of my good citizenship and stewardship. A man who refuses to see the rot in his own beams and the cracks in his own foundation does not love his home, quite the contrary.
Did they consider the slaves to be equal to human beings or some close but inferior approximation? The answer to that matters in that it could entirely invalidate your point. It is kind of like the difference between dumb and stupid.
It makes no difference whether Washington considered his slaves to be human, subhuman or some kind of potted plant. The point is that they were human beings invested with the same natural rights as any other human beings. One can not lay moral claim to the ownership of other individuals simply by deeming them inferior. It's kind of like the difference between civilization and barbarism.
As for the Scots-Irish farmers of Western Pennsylvania, Washington knew them to be perhaps the most stalwart grunt troops in the War for Independence. Shame on him for taxing their labors and shame on him again if he considered them to be an inferior breed.
And how do you think civilized people in 2215, if we make it that long, will judge you, ya smug pedant?
I have no idea what will happen in 2215 but find it amazing that in the year 2015 some people are deeply offended by the suggestion that individual human beings own their own bodies. Talk about smugness.
And then there's the sheer stupidity of not being able to see historical people and events in a realistic light thereby making it impossible to benefit from a rational analysis of that history. When an appreciation for what has gone before is considered to be an expression of smugness it's no wonder that human beings find themselves making the same mistakes year after year, century after century.
its rather amusing watching you debate history of your politicians which is mostly made up for plebs to swallow..
I cannot believe that so many people bought the bait and went after that "they had slaves" discussion. Such idiocy.
find your slice of freedom, further from population centers the better. do as you damn well plez. rules are ment to broken. mind your own business. no neighbors to snope. the enemy is within. i am not a person of interest anyways. carry on and enjoy the day. disconnect at the appropiate time and don't look back. news won't matter because if at this point in time they arrive-two choices live ina world not worth living in or defend your freedom til death which at that point intime is a good option.
Do you own a cat or a dog and have you mutilated its genitals so that it cannot reproduce? If you want to judge the morality of the past with the morality of today, be prepared to have your morality of today judged by the morality of the future.
Says who... Enlighten me with your intellect.
Tell me were they Algonquian, Iroquoian or Siouan?
All native Americans, not to be confused with Native Americans. The indians around here wouldn't appreciate it.
How about those that came before the Native Americans?
The Vikings?
Clovis culture predates L'Anse aux Meadows by about ten thousand years. But there were likely many European-American contacts during the Medieval period. Later explorers reported white or partially white Indians at various points on the Eastern seaboard. Fascinating stuff. And while it's not lost in such dark mists of time it is interesting to recall that Squanto had already traveled to England and returned to Massachusetts by the time the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock.
The Chinese admirals had visited,mapped every continent, including North , South America, Antartica by 1421.
I read the book and the arguments are compelling. However I once saw a talk by the author and he seemed to balk at even reasonable questions about his research and findings. Didn't make me feel confident about any due diligence on his part.
Ya mean White Privelege ?
If this is in reference to slavery it might be worth pointing out that had provisions not been made the Deep South would never have come into the Union. It was generally believed at the time that slavery would die a natural death as it would become increasingly infeasible economically as well as politically marginalized. You will find that this was the view held by Lincoln, although there are some indications Lincoln pushed for the war (see Lincoln's rebuff of Crittenden's proposal prior to the war's start, then of course there was his attempt to resupply Fort Sumpter)... indeed as to the latter point slavery was in fact becoming marginalized as few other than the large plantations had much of a stake.
Not an argument for the provision of slavery, but had it not been accepted the US would not have existed.... how you feel about that is up to you.
That said, there was a profound sense of freedom at the time no doubt
enlarged by the prospect of an unexplored and largely unsubdued continent.
That is of course if you do not allow for the indiginous populations unable to keep what they had from the invading hordes of Europeans. Indiginous populations who are unable or lack the will to defend their lands are invariably displaced... in fact this has precedence in historic international law for whatever that is worth. As to what happens to an indiginous population that loses its grip, you need only to measure our own progress
as we no longer even pretend to maintain our borders and other ports of entry.
As to the rest... this group of debauched self-serving slugs are no more capable of clamping down on this society than they were when the pony express was in operation... they lack the will, the intelligence, or the wherewithal to act in a prolonged and coordinated fashion. What they will do is destroy the foundation that allows for commerce and comity while they ring in a dark age far darker than anything man has experienced, assuming man remains to experience anything.
Either that, or Christ will return. Personally that is where I am placing my money... although I know that many of you are too old for fairy tales... I prefer to have hope
The FED brought near universal equality to slavery and made sure it would last for generations to come.
they just changed the name from slave to taxpaying citizen
Russell Means "you,re all on the reservation now".
+1
Welcome to the Reservation. Worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LA-S64QY3o
These guys all had wooden teeth folks. Therefore, US is a lie.
It is equally worth noting, that until that cohort of men known as the "Founding Fathers", put pen to paper and wrote and distributed the Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution and Bill of Rights, that slavery as a social insitution and convention existed and had been legal around the world for literally thousands of years.
within 100 years of their publication slavery is outlawed in every country in the world
it took several US Constitutional ammendments in the early part of the 20th century to forge the shackles presently, gently, and quietly being draped aroud our minds, our spirits, our arms and fingers and feet.
the content of those ammnedments has effectively been transported and implemented in all Western Social "Democracies" -argualby the final story behind two World Wars.
Because of Eurasioan intransigence to embrace those shackles, we are on the brink of yet another
Banzai7 Labs fax chaining protocol will come in handy...
Same meeting tomorrow night at the docks as usual, right Banzai? (wink)
The mere fact that this has become a topic of conversation is a sad commentary on the Fascist State of the Union.
The real fun starts when these factions sense we're having an impact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rryGNsjhp_M
you will be told by pollsters that :
Jeb is the favorite of gop
hillary is favorite of dems
and so it will be..we on zh will laugh and say the people of usa are nuts, when in fact no poll was ever done.
Fuck off you gubbermint weasels!
"Give me Zerohedge, or give me death."
You can have both you know.....
Look on the bright side. The government will be able to kick people off of ZH before 'How to report offensive comments' trolls sees that that happens themselves, thereby saving a lot of time, effort, & needless risk of the threat of lawsuits. It ought to become a utopia!
I keep asking myself how things got done before the net, and will have to readjust accordingly when we get there.
Maybe there will be more hires at the Postal Service to read my mail again vs scan my email messages this time.
"I keep asking myself how things got done before the net"
We used to employ people.
Growing up I remember them referring to patrons as customers....
Now we're CONsumers.
now 'consumers' and 'folks', nevermore 'citizens' and 'people'
NoDebt,
You imply that you care but where was the clothing on your back made?
Old movies - 50s and earlier - sometimes show the secretarial pools used in bigger offices. Desk after desk of secretaries (women only) clicking away on their typewriters. Oh, and many with a cigarette burning in the ash tray next to them.
Then came word processors. And PCs. And political correctness. Progress?
IMO that is why the FAA is requiring line of sight for commercial drones. Package delivery employs quite a few people.
I remember doing regressions without a calculator. It can be done. If the alternative to simplicity is slavery, simplicity will win out eventually. A world without computers would be fine with me.
Spying and censorship are sides of the same coin.
If they don't censor you, you will censor you.
shhh(sign language).
No offense to ZH, but the Internet has all the charm of a 1970s Philly bus depot. Some guy screaming about the end of days in the middle of the joint, a sweaty, toothless 70 year old alcoholic bathing in the bathroom sink, a used-up whore soliciting customers over in one corner and some dude selling smack in the other.
The internet ruined everything.
So you're saying Al Gore did invent the Internet ?
Fuck if he didn't. He also discovered the polar bears were drowning, personally swimming out and rescuing as many as he could. He accurately predicted that the US coastal areas would be flooded by 2014 then had the guts to make the sacrifice and go around buying luxury coastal properties. He's making money off the critically needed carbon exchanges along with Rothschild and Obama and why shouldn't he after all Al (The Walrus) has done for us? Just cause he raped a few chicks Tipper didn't have to run out on him.
Al (the original Brian Williams) Gore.
(And a poor imitation of Chuck Norris.)
i can do that standing on my dick.
We were already ruined. The internet just allowed us to see our reflection a little clearer.
Nice image, NoDebt, I'll grant you that. And perhaps there is that, but to me the internet is also instant communication and, much like a little child, I keep marveling at the possibilities it offers. One generation earlier and I wouldn't have been able to communicate with you, exchange ideas and opinions, read how things are your end. In real time. There used to be an ocean between us, now I get to know (a little bit) what makes you and the rest of this crowd tick, and vice versa.
I've been to the US once, centuries ago, when I was just sixteen, and I pretty much visited your country the way an American visited Europe in those days - you know, Paris on monday, Rome on tuesday - the kind of program that enables you to see a lot of things, teaches you nothing and above all keeps you from meeting local people, meaning you're missing out on one the most enriching aspects of international travel. I know South America a lot better than the US. Why? Because I have family over there and through the years I've been able to get quite acquainted with locals. And those conversations tend to teach me a lot more about a country than staring at another impressive monument.
Granted, there's a lot of rubbish on the internet, you need to weed a lot and make choices all the time as to what you'll allow to enter into your head, but I've certainly had my learning moments here. The only requirement is for me to know English (or for you to know Flemish, but let's face it: fat chance, right?). And for the technology to remain undisturbed and unfettered.
And for the technology to remain undisturbed and unfettered.
My greatest fear.
it's funny how sometimes , inciteful yet counter comment cascade comments like this get so many negatives.
this internet is obviosuly a cell pool. but the internet is not just ONE thing. so poeple neg you because they're focussing on the valuable corners they have sought refuge in.
did it ruin everything?
not yet it didnt'. who knows if technology will lead our collective global civilization to its own graveyard, but if nuclear war is in fact coming anytime soon, it's not because of the internet.
and nuclear war isn't the end of the world either. just the birth of a new one!
i hope:)
You can have your walled garden. Compuserv, AOL, Facebook.
matrix or no matrix. in and out. soon we can't have it both ways...
That's the reason CNN, Bloomberg and WSJ removed their "comment sections" from their websites. As MSM is dying, alternative media is growing stronger and unstoppable and this is what govts around the world fear the most.
Who ever read CNN, BB, Fox etc for the news? It was always for the comments. MarketWatch dumped their "unverified" commenting long ago. Too many people pissed off that communist Rex Nutter, er, Nutting.
If a news site doesn't have a mechanism for unfettered commenting, then it's an instrument of PROPAGANDA.
SAT
micro-brewery is to Budweiser as alternative news is to MSM?
There's been a trend over the past several years of removing the comment sections entirely or replacing them with a commenting system that requires a facefuck account. It's pretty obvious what that's all about.
The government feels it might be bad form to come right out and say it's monitoring and shaping public opinion on the internet, so it simply gets it's crony fascist corporate buddies to do it on the down low.
One nation under surveillance.
Since they appear to be getting away with 9/11 then the rest is inevitable.
9/11 cleved the nation: "Either your with us, or you're with the terrorists." -- GW Bushwhacker
Once these are accepted as event and interpretation, what's left?
And people still wonder "Why?" Because the psychological defeat delivered on 9/11 was a master stroke of control.
They did not get away with 9/11. It cost the US government and main stream media credibility. Genie is out of the bottle and the harm is irreparable. Damage still to be determined.
The attack is coming, once they have silenced our voices, then they can use the Main Stream Media to just brainwash to infinity.
I like to think people will refuse to allow internet censorship. But Congress is busy as a beaver working on ways to make it safe from freedom of expression.
There is no stopping this Zionist Police State. Just remember who is doing this to you. They have an address, we know who they are.
Hoping for Peak Oil or EMP to level things quickly. (imagine a major strike on SA oil works? )
I think the problem lies with how most use the Internet. I hate to think this but I am afraid the majority use it to find a lemon bar recipe on Pinterest, post the unpleasantness of their gynecological exam on their Facebook page and find a good Thai restaurant on Yelp. Fomenting a coup d' etat on the current regime just doesn't seem like that average Internet user. Perhaps here lies the problem.
Censorship is an issue for those trying to pass information of oppression and criminal behavior by our government. This still can be done but it is much more difficult. Historically, it was passed through a well networked underground. ZH by its nature is based in anonymity and fragmentation, not a cohesive group. So, when the Internet falls, ZH will go as well unless those here wish to reinvent it.
Miffed
perhaps there will emerge alt-internets, ham-radios of the future.
Packet radio is sort of back to the future, but I could deal with that, I've already done all the exams and know the electronics but the license always involves background checks and licensing via the state telecommunications authority and issuing of a base call sign identifier.
But for sure they will look at forcing moderation and filtering on un-moderated forums. You'll probably have to pay $6,000 for a government approved certificate 4 in internet moderation, after an extensive background check and a letter of support from a justice of the peace and criminal background check, of course.
Enjoy no-moderation while it lasts, and use it wisely, because that's what they'll eventually go for.
Mesh networks might be the wave of the future as they are decentralized.
More people need to learn to utilise the deep web and onion sites. That will be the first line of retreat after internet cencorship.
so when jeb bush a nazi family desecendant gets the republican nomination i can thank zionists? or nazis?
or are the the same in your book and the holocaust is a big hoax?
or is it even deeprer than that jack?
Never happen, gov't's not THAT clever...
True, politicians are not the sharpest tools, but the elites have played humans like a fiddle for 100 years. I fear the dark side of the force may be with them.
You don't need to be clever when you own the only mace and shield.
As long as there are smoke signals, carrier pigeons and paper newsletters, they will not stop the message from coming through.
They think with survellance, WMD's, seal teams, rangers and drones they can take on anything, then you get a bunch of crazies like ISIS that doesn't have all that stuff, taking over.
The government and the pentagon really haven't faced a determined guerrilla movement in a long time and it shows. Clamp down on the internet, it won't make a difference.
Big upvote. The revolution will not be televised.
ISIS is a CIA and Mossad asset. ISIS takes over only what it is permitted. Do not be deluded into thinking otherwise.
Exactly. When ISIS attacks the country that should not be named, we can reevaluate.
Already in the land of the free, RT is being compared to terror groups like ISIS and Boko Haram:
Newly-appointed chief of US Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG), Andrew Lack, has named RT one of the agency’s main challenges alongside extremist groups like the Islamic State and Boko Haram.
Lack, the first chief executive of the BBG, mentioned RT in an interview with The New York Times.
“We are facing a number of challenges from entities like Russia Today which is out there pushing a point of view, the Islamic State in the Middle East and groups like Boko Haram,” he said. “But I firmly believe that this agency has a role to play in facing those challenges.”
http://rt.com/news/225543-rt-isis-us-broadcaster/
Sums up the current climate as per your usual, JO.
The thing is, you're quoting Bloomberg, which as we know is a terrorist mouthpiece.
True, we are facing a number of challenges from entities like Bloomberg, which is out there pushing a point of view, the Bank Cartel in the USUK and groups like NATO. But I firmly believe that this internet community has a role to play in facing these challenges.
Americans should only see what we let them see!
Back to dialup BBSes?? Still have server software on 5.25"floppy disk somewhere....
Set your wifi routers to Ad-hoc network mode. Non-centralized internet. Fuck them where they breathe, we can route around outages.
The constitution was the first step to tyranny. What has happened so far would have been extremely difficult under the Articles. Under the Articles the states were sovereign and controlled the national government. The constitution was solely to have a strong central govt. They said that,,, not me. George Washington was the first president to sign a unconstitutional law creating the First Bank of the United States. He also was the first to send Federal troops to quell a tax revolt. Lincoln used the constitution to make war on the South and to create a forced union now called The United States,,, rather than these united States. Wilson and the Bankers eliminated the states sovereignty by eliminating their militias and the coup de grace with the 17th amendment,,, made slaves of We the People with the 16th amendment and stole the Peoples money creating the Federal Reserve System.
Since Wilson it's been nothing but one war after another and a continuous assault on the first ten amendments. Incidentally they were not in the first draft of the constitution. Only after several states refused to ratify did they include them.
IMO it's been a scam from the beginning...
it was built to be a tool, it may still be useful, or can be abandoned and burnt to the ground
And the central point that wise people of that time insited on. When a tool becomes inadequate or harmful in its service, you must replace it.
I agree, and am a peace loving, safety advocate, there does seem to be some contention as to who owns it.
Under the articles, the states would have eventually been at war with each other and the big new would have scooped up all the marbles. Fathers were smart enough to see that coming and build a system unlike any other. That system was too quickly undefended and dismantled.
"One sure thing is that, once the internet is gelded, there will be no hope at all."
In agreement with most of the article and I'm a staunch defender of people saying things I don't like (thats what the protection of freedom of speech is, its unpleasantness, to the majority or those in power)...but...I have my sharpie, I have my spray paint, I have my paper, I have billions of walls, windows, sidewalks & power poles, the earth itself is my palette.
I'll write it on the limos, the trains, the corporate billboards.
It will be seen by all ;-)
I would never encourage people to write informative websites on dollar bills as they pass thru thousands of hands per year- that would be illegal.
The network of cameras and sensor devices will identify you, then, Smith...
Still, it's nice to have real information to stencil on those walls. Names, dates, actions.
It's a lot less effective to paint "Mr Big is a doo-doo head!" on some public wall. Maybe satisfying but no where near as effective.
Oh yes, I absolutely agree.
The internet is great for unfiltered, timely information but Mr.Big would still be in his limo driving by splashing water on the "folks" sitting at the bus stop, dictats would still be issued from on high by complete imbeciles because its "their job" to do so and we will always be there to point out that it should not be so. Its still up to others to separate fact from fiction, to decide for themselves.
Some things will never change, the price they pay is our eternal, mocking, scorn & diligence.
Oh how wonderful it would be if they could just shut us up, these nattering na-bobs, these questioning, free thinking malcontents against the established order, its never gonna happen my brother ;-)
Relax, the government is just making sure you have nothing to hide, that's all........
If already in deep trouble ... I'm here hanging out at ZH
bla, bla, bla ...
Wait, will there still be porn?
According to the Communist Manifesto, item 25, yes, there will still be porn:
" 25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV."
I'd say this will come into effect around 2017 when the market capitulates and Buffets derivative bets on a bunch of world indices expire.
The man doesn't lose.
So..when it all comes crashing down, expect the rush of facism/authoritarism to come to frution aka the 2nd Bolshevik Revolution.
Yes We Can !
...create The Soviet! Hahhahaha!
The censorship will happen slowly and quietly. I already get messages on Youtube that things are not available in "my country".
Just about half the worlds population is female. And the plan is to tell everyone to shut up? Ah ,,,,,never mind.
Sure, the .govbots are busily working to smother our freedoms . . . but some creative(s) will merely change the game and invent the next media for the free and uncensored exchange of ideas. Either that or we'll be banging it out with the Fedcoats.
BitBlog - decentralized blockchain that hosts / serves websites ?
So when do the President/tyrant secret police knock on doors and haul people off to be shot or to labor camps?
Stalin hauled many to Siberia or shot people. His goons arrived at the homes and people were hauled off.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
-- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
I guess he is telling us to shoot the fuckers and whip ass.
MF! Where did this LC guy get a chain gun ahhhrrrrghhhh!
It coming, as soon as they can collect your firearms and ammo!
Stalin hauled many to Siberia or shot people. His goons arrived at the homes and people were hauled off.
Prior to that Stalin (and/or his predecessors) made damn sure that the people didn't have access to guns . . . . .
Surprised it took this long. On a positive note, GDP
will increase as more sheeple will be paid minimum wage
(29.5 hours per week) to build prisons.
Thanks, AIPAC!
http://mjrosenberg.net/2014/09/10/the-bds-ban-aipac-has-always-written-l...
"As soon as myth and authority lost their credibility, the form of government could only be either burlesque terror or democratic bullshit."
-Raoul Vaneigem, The Revolution of Everyday Life, 1963
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Sheldon Wolin, one of the leading American political philosophers of our time, talks about what he mean by “every one of the country’s primary institutions is anti-democratic, anti-democratic in spirit, design, and operation.”
http://youtu.be/K6HMQM7Lo58
These guys can't even build a website with one billion dollars. You think they can shut down the internet? lol. Get back to me when I can't get around their efforts to censor the internet in under five minutes.
These guys already collected on everything they needed for obamacare - it never had to work. Besides, the people who didn't make it work got paid and never had to account. Isn't that the perfect business model? Why would this suggest that censorhip won't happen? The gov't certainly would not want to be seen doing it well (as they were with the obamacare website). The people who do the censorship are gonna get paid doing it and they will never have to account. Am I missing something? Did you actually think that Obamacare was intended to work? I'm pretty sure the Censorhip 2015 is intended to work.