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World War 3, The Big Prize, & Europe's Gigantic Debt Minefield
Submitted by James H. Kunstler via Kunstler.com,
In case anyone didn’t get ISIL’s message from their latest video in which 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians have their heads sawn off, here it is: “We’re executioners, not warriors.” Those gouts of blood spilled on a Libyan beach amount to ISIL’s welcome mat to the mass execution of the Euro-American west. The dignity of a funeral is not even on the program.
What we’ve got now with apocalyptic Jihadism spreading clear across the region from Pakistan to Morocco, and Europe blandly ignoring it across the Mediterranean, is an epochal face-off that will change the world. It comes at an odd moment in history, namely as the massive oil wealth of the Middle East and North Africa enters decline. It was that oil wealth that provoked a population spike in a desolate corner of the planet the past century. Now there is a huge over-supply of young men there with nothing to do but act out their angry psychodrama over having no future. When a whole peoples’ prospects for a decent life on Earth dwindle to zero, is it any wonder that they become preoccupied with end-times visions of feasts and virgins awaiting in an after-life?
Partly what you’re seeing over there is an internal fight to control what’s left of the treasure. That battle has already had the strange consequence of disabling the oil production capacity in places like Iraq and Libya, where there is still a lot of oil, but not enough political stability to allow the complicated business of extraction and transport to take place. What’s more there has also been tremendous damage to the oil infrastructure in these places, some from deliberate sabotage, some from shelling and bombing, and a lot from sheer neglect and deferred maintenance. Oil refineries and transport terminals are very delicate machines that require constant loving care.
It’s self-evident now that ISIL would like to control as much of the remaining oil wealth as possible — though I doubt they have the competence to run it for long even if they appear to control the terrain. The Euro-American west always has the option of completing the destruction with bombs and missiles, but then they would also be destroying their own future oil supplies and hence their modern industrial economies.
The Big Prize, of course, is the grand fortress of Saudi Arabia. The kingdom is surrounded by Islamic maniacs now, with Yemen recently fallen to the south, the ever-hostile Iranian Shi’a across the Persian Gulf, disintegrating Iraq and Syria to the north, and the festering human compost heap of Egypt and then Libya across the Red Sea. And, of course, along the saddle of the Levant there is Israel with all its enemies and problems. Arabia has a new King, 79, rumored to be weak in the head. The oil revenue is way down and the population still grows, and too many young men have nothing to do but marinate in Wahhabist fantasies. If Saudi Arabia falls apart, it’s game over for modern life as the West has known it (and much of Asia now, too).
The USA, meanwhile, has managed to embroil itself in a completely unnecessary and idiotic struggle over Ukraine, a place of no real strategic importance to us. And in doing so we’ve managed to alienate perhaps the one nation with the will and the motivation to oppose Jihadism, namely Russia, with its vast southern border facing the immensity of Islamic Central Asia.
Europe, meanwhile, is preoccupied playing games with itself over money. Today is supposedly crunch time for Greece. The so-called Troika — the European Central Bank, The European Union bureaucrats, and the International Monetary Fund — still expects Greece to continue to pretend to pay back its debt. That’s been the meaning of “austerity” until now. But Europe is a gigantic debt minefield that no one can really walk across. Other parts of it than Greece are just waiting to blow up, and will, and it’s unclear whether Europe is even paying attention to the blood-red welcome mat that was laid out in Libya last weekend. The true meaning of “austerity” will become clear when Europe finds itself forced to fight World War Three at the same time that its banking system implodes.
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Euro-puppets dirty games exposed
< Europe will be missed.
< Europe will be (blown into a red bloody) mist.
what is the difference between ISIL and ISIS ... am still confused ... are there different leaders or countries of operations?
ISIl and ISIS are slightly different acronyms for an American-Israeli false flag freak show.
The boogeyman even stole US tanks, arms, and supplies. Imagine that! They were able to secure top secret military devices. Amazing.
These ISIS guys should get a Nobel Prize, I mean, who else would be able to rise from nothingness (other than Zuckerberg, of course, because of the data the NSA needs) and grab so much from the imperial power?
Oh... and, of course, there is the "sorry we meant to drop those supplies on the other side of the line" bit where the US forgot to calibrate their GPS/wind/altitude thingy before the drop. Amateur hour....lol.
The story is so freaking childish, that this "group" could rise from nothingness, grab military equip, oilfields, and now land and not be stopped, but in fact aided. It is the worst comedy act I've ever seen.
This is the grand setup, and a bad one at that.
"These ISIS guys should get a Nobel Prize..."
One of them, Choomboy, did get one.
They are only following (Muhammad's) orders.
"What we've got now with apocalyptic jihadism... ... it comes at an odd time in history..."
Recap:
More than 1 million dead Iraqis and 5 million have left the country since we invaded Iraq to liberate them (from their oil).
This 2009 study from MIT estimated 800k to 1.3M 'excess' Iraqi deaths since the invasion/liberation:
http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/HOW%20MANY%20DIED,%20BUSH.html
" And the overall figures are stunning: 4.5 million displaced, 1-2 million widows, 5 million orphans, about one million dead—in one way or another, affecting nearly one in every two people in Iraq with tragically life-altering (or ending) impacts. "
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And then there's Libya, Egypt, Syria, Afghanistan, Western creation and financing of Isis.
In summary, it comes at not an odd time.
"The USA, meanwhile, has managed to embroil itself in a completely unnecessary and idiotic struggle over Ukraine, a place of no real strategic importance to us"
Anyone who thinks UKRAINE is unnecessary and idiotic to AMerican interests doesn't know the US
If Ukraine isn't a national security threat, we'll make it one. Or something of the sort.
Fucking neocons.
I did'nt know that Muhammad worked in Langley. Is that why they locked it down ?
Muhammad and Jesus have both been captured by the Rabbis of Langley. It's all part of the Rothschild Plan for world domination. Kunstler is one of their tools.
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Most Americans ARE fooled by this parade. The whole point was to get Americans to endorse another decade long confrontation in the middle east and it has WORKED. The braindead are clamoring for deaths over there, so that they won't come here (believe it or not).
They don't care. Don't you get it? We have always been at war with Eurasia. Give it another generation or two, and It comes true.
We are being hoodwinked - Part 21,341,876
We are at war with Eurasia. In other news we've always been at war with Eurasia.
PTI,
it's obvious to the most casual observer that this neo-con/zionist created the boogyman ISIS/ISIL and it is now being used has the pretext to invade Syria....the first attempt using the chemical weapons on it's own people ploy...was thwarted by Russia, hence the payback via sanctions, economic warfare and the Ukraine coup d'etat and ensuing civil war....now the marionette in charge wants wants powers to wage war against ISIS/ISIL...and you can be sure it will be in Syria....the Russians will not stand idly by knowing that neo-con/zionist occupation of Syria presents a 'clear and present danger'...they also know that the real prize is Iran....no you won't trade oil for gold,silver or any other currency....you didn't notice what happened to all the others who went down that path... the petro dollar must remain supreme at any cost....
Much to the chagrin of America haters & "easterners"...there is absolutely no difference between ISIS & ISIL, Putin would tell you the same thing.
True enough the babes in the woods with matches inside the US gubmint thought they did a splendid job of "regime change" in Libya but like the pyromaniacs they are, they didn't count on the arsonists having a different set of motives and mindsets than their own.
The article itself said "kingdom" (because it is) as if this is something to be protected or admired or aspired to, at the expense of everyone less than blue bloods.
Unfortunately, most people there (not all) are not quite ready for anything else. At the end of the day, Jordan, the Saudis, Egypt...and yes Turkey will destroy ISIS (as a "caliphate") as its a direct threat to their own blue blood line.
It is what it is.
They never account for the consequences of their machinations... Napoleon, Hitler, Mao, Lenin, Stalin, the list goes on... chaos brought about by monied interests for whom the world was/is a playground. That the world eventually reestablished brief periods of social harmony is merely a derivative of the old adage that 'every war must end'.
Sadly, this time the confusion will likely be fatal.
Even the sultans are being led to frontiers of hardship that are dictated by TPTB.
Afterall, TPTB do not like or want cheap oil even though their policies destroyed demand.
ISIS cannot even grow wheat. How are they going to deal with the intricacies of oil extraction, refinement, and delivery?
Pump until the equipment needs fixing. Then they won't.
Maybe their Zionist weapons suppliers can find some oil extraction equipment somewhere.
Below the fold, Reuters admits that the whole article is fiction: "U.N. and Iraqi government officials don't have access to much of Iraq, so cannot provide an accurate forecast of the country's 2015 wheat crop."
They already are selling oil from Libya on the open market. Sustain? IDK but they are selling it on the market. I also know they have some mobile refineries.
That's the bad news? So, what's the good news?
see above my friend...there will much gnashing of teeth until the time comes.
Dear Lord give me control of just one nuke and I 'll make sure to send it so far these sand gophers asses they'll be spitting depleted uranium...
Wake up dumby -- ISIS is the Lee Harvey Oswald. The Patsy. It is setting up perfectly. They are the new and improved boogie-man.
the muslim pagan religion IS the anti-Christ
Pretty soon we're gonna run outta enough world to even have global slingshot battles.
the world is a tiny place, you are right
Meh, but I wouldn't wanna paint it!
Now that is funny, it would be a tedious and long job!
All circumcissionists are anti baby
They already are spitting depleted uranium. We have left behind so much of it and polluted so much of that land, their children will be born for generations with horrible birth defects, no seen sence Japan in the 40s and 50s, and in some cases even worse. It will last for a couple generations too. You probably haven't heard much about it in the western media though. I wonder why that is? Making war on children, especially those unborn, is unconscionable, no matter how just you feel your cause is(and no, I'm not saying this was a just cause)
Dear Lord give me control of just one nuke and I 'll make sure to send it so far these sand gophers asses they'll be spitting depleted uranium...
You won't need it my son...
It will be horrific enough though, the final battle will be something to behold for the ages.
It will be.....BIBLICAL !
Everyone of you downvoters need to realize they will slaughter 99% of everyone who will not support their fanatical regime. They would rape your women repeatedly before they might summarily slit their throats. They shot up a cafe in copenhagen, france, canada and over 2000 people died according to wikipedia.. So downvoting me means your upvoting them.. It means you haven't got the balls or fortitiude to do what needs to be done over there... but its okay there will be a solution to your cowardice and it will come toot sweet when they screw up and meddle in Israel because Israel will be launching lots of nukes in this coming war and these hot beds of islamic fantatism will be obliterated forever..
"It means you haven't got the balls or fortitiude to do what needs to be done over there..."
I think you mean 'what needs to be done over here...'
okay, so nuke yourself.
By down voting me, you are up voting them.....
You sound just like bush, with his 'you are either with us, or with the terrorists' bullshit. You ever stop to think why they hate us so much? As if it isn't possible to think our foreign policy of endless unconstitutional warfare is misguided without supporting the people we are making war against. I don't support either side of this shitshow, but if you haven't figured out that this is a conflict ENTIRELY of our making then I don't know what to say to you. We constantly seek out monsters to destroy, monsters usually of our own making, as our freedom and prosperity declines at home. People like you are just as responsible for it as the people in charge.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
"downvoting me means your upvoting them" No it doesn't. You're far from the centre of things, princess. Downvoting you just means we think you're a 'tard.
all true. they get on the public school bus and one slipped one day "we will kill you". 9 year old. it is real and right here on our soil. this one originated from somolia. thanks christian churches for paying there way all the way to here to promote ????? missionaries are an unsuspecting enemy within and they are clueless as to there actions. and they finance all these fucking misfits here for what? fucking do gooders...
New game,
Jimmy Carter brought Muslim refugees to the US and certain Luthern churches among others are still getting federal grants to bring Somalia Muslims and other Muslims to the U.S. Why?
Bunch of do gooders is right.
The Bushes brought a lot more of them to America than Carter ever did.
cnmcdee - downvoting you just means I think you're misinformed and an idiot. Figure out who is pulling the strings. Go after them. Hint- look around NYC and Tel Aviv.
Cnmcdee is right about fanatics wanting to kill all who will not convert and likely any who do convert but disagree on minor points.
But nukes are a kind of end game, aren't they?
Dear Lord,
Give me control of just one nuke, and I'll get Russia, the US, China, the UK, France, Israel and possibly India and Pakistan to end civilization.
(Not really, I'd actually try to use it to show people what they actually do, but you get the point.)
End game you say?
Those "hot beds of islamic fantatism" are Zionist constructs.
You want a nuke to deal with a few yahooos in Mossad/CIA supplied pick up trucks ??
Worth a read, anyway (I aint condoning murder, and salt to taste) - blessed are the peacemakers
"Reports like the above are misleading American Christians regarding the facts of persecution of the Church in foreign lands. Many of the religions labeled "Christian" in these reports are not Christian at all. Furthermore, it is impossible to verify information where no documentation is provided, which is usually the case. The Christian persecution movement has saturated the churches with undocumented reports of the most outrageous persecution, projecting guilt onto Christians who, if they "really care," will demand retribution toward the persecutors. Compare the IDOPPC spirit of vengeance with the command of Jesus Christ to his disciples in Matthew 5:34. 44:
One documentable fact is that the Coptic Christian Church is not Christian, but is rather the heretical Gnostic tradition which originated in Syria and proliferated in the early centuries A.D. through Clement's Alexandrian School in Egypt. (1) Later history associates the Coptic Church with Druidism, euphemistically called "Celtic Christianity." This pagan cult, which migrated to and developed in the British Isles, makes the absurd claim that the literal bloodline of Jesus Christ exists today in a royal lineage called the Merovingian Dynasty. The quest for the "Holy Grail" is the ascent of these elect beings to the divine state."
http://watch.pair.com/IDOPPC.html
You are a fucking moron.
And how many million euros do they want for an Maltese EU pasport?
Islamo-Fascists are gonna get their reconning soon...the King of Kings will deal with them, but there will be much suffering between now and then.
We will even suffer even more under the secret cabals amongst us in the west.
Get right with God, Jesus Christ is your only salvation!
Ahhh, come forth you naysayers, bring your downarrows upon me, you unbelievers, see your darkenss for what it is, for there will be no rock to hide under for the savage heathens who disbelieve.
All you have is your precious downarrows, I laugh at your puny, infantile projections. You THINK you know what you're doing, but have no fear, it will be painful for you.
Well, then forgive them.
send money, put your money where your mouth is. oh you already are and you may or may not know it.
Money? I laugh at that suggestion, really now, is that all that makes the world go round? Maybe for you new game, for me, not so much.
I have and will continue to do so, I am just watching now.
ISIS, today is the WMD of yesterday.
If we wanted this "street gang" dead, they'd be dead.
oh, you mean the JV team? why don't you go over there and play with them? underestimate them at your peril
Well done, James, very well done.
What we’ve got now with apocalyptic Jihadism spreading clear across the region from Pakistan to Morocco, and Europe blandly ignoring it across the Mediterranean
Before you sound your apocalyptic warnings about ISIS, you may want to know who founded and funded ISIS. But then you have always supported the official story of 9/11 so ignoring obvious facts is par for the course for you. Kunstler, you are fine for style and comedy but too captured by other interests to be taken seriously:
ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”The fact remains, however, that the US, the major European powers, and their regional allies all previously lent financial, military and political support to ISIS and similar groups, which have “Made in the USA” stamped all over them. They have, until now, played a significant part in Washington’s efforts to overthrow the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, as part of a broader effort to gain control of the region’s vast energy resources and transit routes.
The Western powers, flush with success after organising an Islamist insurgency in Benghazi in order to justify NATO’s overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, thought they could use similar forces to overthrow Assad in Syria, whose regime draws its main base of support from the Alawite sect, a Shi’a offshoot, and Sunni businessmen.
For three years, the US, along with the Gulf states and Turkey, poured billions into “opposition” groups, supposedly to unnamed “moderates,” but in reality to Al Qaeda-linked Sunni groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS to spearhead a sectarian war. The US, Turkey and Jordan have operated a base in Jordan where US instructors trained dozens of ISIS members. In an article last year, the New York Times confirmed that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey by airlifting weaponry to these groups in Jordan and Turkey. The Guardian reported last March that British and French instructors were also involved.
Other ISIS members were trained near Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where US forces are based.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
This wouldn't be the first time the USA created a monster that it eventually had to destroy. This is what happened in the USSR's Afghanistan war as well.
Exacly right. The USA as the Seat of the Western Empire has created The Golem. And it will pay the price.
Interestingly enough, that was "Marla's" final post on her blog after Zerohedge before shutting up shop. Luckily enough, someone "reposted it"
http://directorblue.blogspot.in/2013/06/finem-respice-it-is-past-time-to-kill.html
Which was somewhat ironic, as she was a self-confessed Likudnik.
Foreign Policy Magazine (CFR) recently published documents admitting how Israel is also treating ISIS terrorists for free in its hospitals, and providing medical care and other unidentified supplies to the insurgents
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/12/08/aiding-isis-israel-bombs-syria-for...
From what I've heard, Israelis treat all kinds of muslims at their medical facilities. Sometimes, they have to smuggle the Arab patients back into Gaza and the West Bank so that other Arabs won't punish the patients or parents of the pedi patients.
Islam is weird.
That whole region is fucked.
Resident Israeli reporter checking in here. Azus - when Israel takes someone from Gaza to a hospital - it's because the person has agreed to be a collaborator. This is relatively straightforward. They won't even let people headed to school out of Gaza and those with serious medical conditions aren't going anywhere unless they are an asset. Grow up and be realistic.
Very good.
But that doesn't negate the fact that these groups want to eliminate westerners. And een without CIA or other western influence, they still want to kill westerners.
It is either YOU or them. I choose you.
janet could you print up some moar terrorism, ah shucks just print moar woar and cut out the forplay.
Blow up the minefield and clear it.
Killing Christians and Crackers is not newsworthy because there's no money in it......
When Islamic conquerors sweep across Eurasia and Africa, the USA will have to get the balls to do covertly directed asteroid strikes, and wipe them all out. If we don't, we won't survive at all.
It won't be the USA that will strike, it will be struck down, just like Babylon the Great, and Rome...so will all of the wicked amongst us.
Hey don't talk about McCain's friends like that.
well what freedoms will .gov take from me now to fight isis??
"If Saudi Arabia falls apart, it’s game over for modern life as the West has known it (and much of Asia now, too)."
Duh. After all, when KSA falls who's going to fund all of those terrorists and the roach motel madrassas that produce them?
It's been game over for the world for a long time, this is the curtain call for the final act
No kidding. I'm pretty sure we'll get by without all the religious people and do just fine. For once.
One man's La Raza is another man's ISIS. New Califate is to the Middle East as new Aztlan is to North America.
The US will have it's hands full dealing with the aspirations of domestically nurtured neo-religious racist-ideological movements shortly...
and you, throxx what shall you do, wail and maon to no avail, the lake of fire awaits you too? do you not believe in Christ Almighty, or do you refer to the neo-religous as the pagan muslims?
I curse Abraham and all his evil sinning sons.
To hell with the muslims, the jews, and the false christians that follow neither the commandments or proscriptions of their avowed master but instead worship mammon and war.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would not be pleased Throxx, but you do have the light in you, study hard, because one false move and it is game over.
You seem like a true Christian, but your first statment has me puzzled...you do realize why, don't you?
Unix,
I have read several of your posts and I find we are in agreement on many things. Thus you get my upvote. Keep it up, spread your thoughts. I enjoy it. I like the discussion and debate.
Thank you sessinpo, I only speak the truth, the word of God, and Jesus is my salvation. I will shout it from the mountaintops. I am afraid of no man, or government, time is fleeting.
They can have my body, for I am a sinner, but never my SOUL!
These downarrows are just showing me the true nature of things in this Satanic world we live in...the secret cabals have seen to that my friend. God Bless you and yours!
Uniplexed Information and Computer Systems: Wow, no shit, "The word of God". What does he think about the preachers like Wright, Jackson and Sharpton? Just asking ...
Those types of preachers are the decievers...
Not everyone that calls themselves Christian, are true believers and followers. That is why God gave us discernment.
"I only speak the truth, the word of God, and Jesus is my salvation."
I find your absolute faith.... disturbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9o1vUSLhOs
Don't be disturbed, you are my friend, I love all people, and judge them not. I can be a firebreather too, for I am not a perfect Christian by any means.
Sometimes I get on my soapbox, depends on the subject matter, and this one being about WWIII, which would probably end humanity, I thought it appropriate.
Jones was a charlitan, and he fooled many people, to their ultimate death. I don't subscribe to cults.
And you, Throxx, what do you mean when you say "I curse"? Curse? What does that mean? And how would you define "evil"? Surely you have some righteous standard(s) upon which to pronounce cursings and declare what is evil! Where did you get them there standards? Yourself? Not throwing stones, just wondering, dude. I always am amazed when people bash Christianity, using Christian standards, and yet not subscribing to them.
You are an elf from Middle Earth, right?
Then you should know all about curses -and evil...
I normally stay out of these kinds of debates, but if you are cursing somebody, is that not the same as judging their soul? I'm not asking for an answer, but for some self refelection on your part to see if it is consistent with your professed values.
The Jews and Muslims are following the commandments of their masters. That is the problem.
Latino immigrants to the U.S. will never go the route of ISIS. Two completely different trajectories there, my friend.
The police in the U.S. have murdered more innocent people than ISIS.....
your nick is apt, for you truly are a lunatic, may God have mercy on your soul
It is possibly correct overall, given that the US cops have had 200+ years on the job. But, on an annual basis, nah.
But there is also a question of intent as well. Is ISIS accidentally or neglectfully killing these people and then covering it up? Doesn't look like it.
I would submit that most cop-based murders fall under these categories rather than outright on-the-job homicide.
But it is still early days for ISIS and they're catching up as quick as they can.
I denounce the police state, but to compare them with ISIS and what they do, hardly!
Absolutely correct.
But, but, but...they were properly vetted and deemed to be "moderate"...
Obama and Biden or ISIS?
by whom, the murderers who you call leaders of the free world?
"It comes at an odd moment in history, namely as the massive oil wealth of the Middle East and North Africa enters decline."
You really believe it was just a coincidence??
And you think Ukraine is happenstance as well??
Either you're a fool or a tool. I don't believe you're the fool.
Now there is a huge over-supply of young men there with nothing to do but act out their angry psychodrama over having no future. When a whole peoples’ prospects for a decent life on Earth dwindle to zero, is it any wonder that they become preoccupied with end-times visions of feasts and virgins awaiting in an after-life?
What an absolutely asinine comment to make?!!!
James I like what you do alot but I know plenty of individuals out there that lose their jobs every day and don't join the U.S. military, Academi, ISIL or (all three) to vent their frustrations by indiscriminately raping and beheading innocent men, women and children because of what the Federal Reserve and Corporate America especially big oil is doing to their job prospects!
If those three bandits I mentioned weren't getting a paycheck from "Uncle Sam" the House of Saud or Erik Prince they'd be cuttting off some heads in Washington D.C. as sure as I'm sitting here!
Hope you didn't really mean what you said in that statement?
Just completely too stupid for you!
It really doesn't matter nemo, it is all written for all to see, besides this is setup for the final hour of recompense for everyone. The worldly afairs are going to be quite trivial compared to what is to come.
Funny how even UN found credible ties between ISIS and Israel Defence Force
from: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02/05/isis-idf-link/
In a new report from the UN, it is revealed that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) were maintaining regular contact with members of the so-called Islamic State since May of 2013. Initial reports from the IDF stated that this was only for medical care for civilians, but that story fell apart when the UN observers identified direct contact between IDF forces and ISIS soldiers, including giving medical care to ISIS fighters. Observations even included the transfer of two crates from the IDF to ISIS forces, the contents of which have not been confirmed at this time. Further the UN report identified what the Syrians label a crossing point of forces between Israel and ISIS, a point of concern brought before the UN Security Council. This report from the UN strengthens the claims by the Syrian regime that Israel is heavily involved in operations within the nation.
This is part of a continuing pattern of Israeli support for the Islamic State. It was only two months ago that Israel attacked Syrian forces in opposition to ISIS forces. Israeli attacks even killed an Iranian military adviser for the Syrian military just two weeks ago. The U.S.’s financing of ISIS, part of the effort against Syrian president Assad, is well documented, as well. That the efforts to undermine the Assad regime were in turn strengthening the same terrorist group which recently set a Jordanian pilot on fire to set an example is conveniently ignored by the higher up military command.
When the United States began operations against ISIS, Israeli high command seemed reluctant to give any support and called the move a mistake. The support of ISIS fits in with Israeli concerns in the region, namely that of Syria and Iran, and U.S. opposition to ISIS has put the United States in the awkward position of once again arming the enemies we will be fighting tomorrow.
Syria and Iran both pose a threat to Israel with their sizable conventional forces and political clout in the region, in much the same way Iraq was before the elimination of Saddam Hussein. With the toppling of Saddam, pieces of concern remain, and Israel appears to still maintain the old axiom that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Supporting ISIS for Israel enables them to eliminate two issues at once, only once Syria is no longer a concern — a move which would in turn neutralize Iranian influence in the region — Israel then would turn its attention to ISIS, bolstered by other anti-ISIS forces from Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the United States. That would take several more years, however, during which time ISIS would continue to grow in both size and power. By the time they turn their attention to ISIS, it is quite possible that ISIS would have toppled the nations which Israel is counting on for support of such an operation. Too little, too late.
Traditionally such groups as ISIS have relied upon Saudi Arabia for support, but Saudi money is conspicuously absent from ISIS coffers. Unlike groups before, ISIS has gone self-financed, relying upon prostitution, slavery and oil for its financial well-being. This, in turn, removes the protections which Saudi Arabia has relied upon for almost a century to prevent such organizations from turning on the House of Saud and potentially conquering the kingdom which is now in the sights of the Islamic State.
In turn, the ISIS forces have all but forced the Kurds to become a mighty force unto themselves, much to the anger of neighboring Turkey. Rather than helping to fight ISIS, Turkey is instead attacking the forces standing in opposition to ISIS. The entire situation has spiraled out of control.
In effect, there is no side to support here, as each side is being supported at once in opposition to the other side. By enabling the creation of ISIS, we have taken an already unstable situation and poured gasoline over it. Now we are facing a true threat, not from ISIS or Iran or Syria, but against our own arrogance. We have been blinded to the death and destruction created by our actions in the Middle East.
We once were respected throughout the region, as neutral peacebrokers, the nation which oversaw the breakup of the Barbary pirates and a country which became eternal friends with the people of Iran when all of Europe ignored them. Now we are Israel’s expected muscle, to carry out their dirty work in an effort to destabilize the region and de-power those the tiny nation views as a threat. They will support anyone, if it meets a short-term goal, even if the result is a plot more complex and ridiculous than an episode of “Passions. This can, and will cost them long-term.
The United States cannot be party to this. Whatever the political and economic cost, the U.S. must disengage from all sides in the Middle East, before it is too late.
obuma's plans for world war are on schedule..you EU dopes don't know whats headed your way..keep pissing on Russia, that will make em hold your flank when isis comes to town.
Russia will be the only nation strong enough to stop ISIS. Europe will be torn to shreds by then and the U.S. without money for a military.
out of control?
no my friend ---the common thread is nato and the us/uk alliance. it is not israel . israel is a puppet like turkey.
keep your zio-bullshit out of this.
taking out assad is a cia/oil oligarchy / saudi-gulf plan to run pipelines through syria to europe. once the gas and oil is flowing, the cost of flooding europe with cheap hydrocarbons plummets and russia's hegemonic hydrocarbon supply is over. finally, the gulf states supply line to europe will be able to tolerate the closure of the straights of hormuz in case of ww3. which is precisely in the cards.
small part of the picture -yes, Israel is a puppet -a puppet of the NWO Rothschild dominated international Banksters. Henry Ford was on the right track. Zionist jews may not be totally in control of the Illuminati Luciferians who rule and plunder most of the Planet - but they are certainly well represented, if not dominant, in the inner circles of these evil satan worshippers.
Personally, I don't have any problem with disengagement in the ME.
This really should be Europe's problem and its time we took the training wheels off their comfy little world hiding behind kindly Uncle Sam and his legions of steely-eyed techno-assasssins.
Straight out of the Israeli play book. Show the video of Christian beheadings, link it to how 'our' oil is surrounded then duck as the next neocon incoming hits.
Libya pop. 6M : huge threat to Europe
Iraqi crude prod : say 3.5mbpd near highest all time production ever
Saudi? billions in reserve to buy the peace
the truth the msm will never mouth is no one hates ISIL/daesh whatever more than locals. Baghdadi is a Mossad/CIA bogeyman, their senior ranks wacked; junior recruits thinning but Kunstler/Mossad have Europe about to be vanquished, Asia next, game over for the West. Please America, let the Israelis and Arabs solve their own issues.
We can take over any oil field we want, anytime we want if we dont diminish ourselves fighting other peoples wars
ROFLMO, yes, it is all the Jews fault, there is a special place for generalizers like you my friend, pop that downarrow now to show your superiority.
Not all Jews are at fault. And those that are at fault certainly have plenty of Goyim eltes assisting them in the destruction of civilization as we know it, as they rape and plunder the Planet. Don't make such broad generalizations. makes you sound like some kind of anti-semite.
Ruh-roh! Better support Yankee military hegemony or the western created ISIS is gonna getch'a! Much like how debt can only be cured through increased debt, the ills of military adventurism is its own remedy! Neato! Now will Mr. Cunt please show me the line where I get to sign his name and those of his children to go die for the bankers?
LOL i'm pretty sure everyone's banking system will implode in WW3. The only thing that might survive, until the computers go out, are the flashing green lights lmao.
Also as far as the opinion "we don't have the money to fight WW3".................exactly how much money does it cost to push the big red button? Zero dollars that's how much. You're not gona need money for ground troops and supplies lmao. And when it's all over, Soros and a few other clowns will be sitting underground on top of huge piles of gold and peak their heads out every couple weeks seeing if it's safe to come out. Once they lose patience with nuclear winter they will spend the rest of their existence trying to steal each others pile of gold lol. God forbid if they breed, whatever is produced will make the Morlocks seem intelligent.
Iran is probably the least manical country in the entire Middle East.
I can almost agree with that.
Now back to my bunker construction plans.
Yes, one of the most civilized countries in the World -if not the most civilized.
Sure, they don't hang people for homosexuality in Iran. Or stone people for religious crimes. Nope, not there. Or jail those that don't preach state religion.
The Persian people are known to be civilized. They had a vibrant night life in the 1970's before the current religious zealots were in power. And they still have modern like culture....it's just underground now.
But to say they are the most civilized country in the world is just flat false by any objective measure.
If the arab world tears itself apart with muslim going after muslim, who benefits greatly from that?
With attack dog u.s. out to destroy Russia, and with ukraine being reduced to a facism whose population is now extirpated from the democratic process, is it a stretch to foresee the west installing a new govt in Russia by hook or crook? Which Russian J's will take the helm there?
How long before europe descends into chaos and war with one country turning on the other?
If the goy exterminate each other off the face of the earth, that plays perfectly into the hands of you know who
the goils?
Hey bitches, who trained them for the last three years?
Who funded them? Who continues to support them?
Assholes.
So you're saying that a bunch of nomadic camel herders are not very good at routine maintenance on complex technological infrastructure?
Probably lucky that this is true, or else the price of crude wouild be down to BOGO at $5 a barrel.
I'd be okay with that but various shithole third world kleptocracies might be a little upset.
nomadic camel herders pulled off 911? Maybe they just got lucky. Maybe not. NORAD and the USG just had an off day. WTC1, 2 and 7 fell just because our whole understanding of structural engineering and the laws of physics have been flawed. Seriously flawed. God never meant for buildings to be made over 30 stories high. He taught us that with the Tower of Babel. We should have listened. You are a fool to take any job in a building over 30 stories high. It's God's will. It's in the Bible. Nomadic camel herders are men of God whose religion honors the Old Testament. If you studied the Scripture, you would understand how and why WTC7 collapsed. Others will follow. This is just the beginning. Support Israel, Greater Israel, Armegeddon and the Great rapture. DOW 36K is inevitable. I beleive that is in the Bible -Revelations, I believe.
The most interesting thing about the 9-11 doubters is that they are using the exact same structural arguments advanced by the OKC Bombing doubters 20 years ago. You should check them out.
As for the end of times, people see different meanings in the things they witness. My own opinion is that we have been warned, are currently being warned, and will continue to be warned right up to the final day when people say WTF, nobody told us this would happen.
Individual souls possess the gift of free will. They can choose for themselves, but that does not mean that they get to select the consequences of their choices.
James Howard Kunstler- a zionist, cough on 911.
I regard the 9/11 conspiracy theories as a fantasy and a distraction from the real problems we face. It is especially unfortunate that they became associated with the Peak Oil issue, and that was obviously a result of Mike Ruppert's elaboration of them in his book Across the Rubicon, which brought discredit to his otherwise good reporting on the global oil situation, and tainted others like myself who regard energy as the crucial geopolitical and economic issue of our time. There is enough confusion in this nation without conflating the real concerns over energy with paranoid fantasies about government plots.
You see, wtc 7 fell out of sympathy with it's big brothers falling. An aluminum plane crashed through 3 rings of the pentagon without harming the lawn. Flight 93 made cell phone calls while flying over rural land without the technology let alone a cell phone tower around. Highjackers who couldn't fly a cesna pulled off stunts the best pilots couldn't manage.
Conspiracy doesn't exist unless it is sold by the govt, the bankers and shitheads like you.
Dear MR. KUNSTLER
FUCK YOU.
“Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty. “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. ...son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance. “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.
For me, Unix, it is written, read the Bible for the everlasting truth. The son of man will smite the wicked, the unbelievers, and throw them into the pit of hell. Fear not ye meek, for you shall inherit the earth, and all who defy me, shall swim in the pit of hell.
Assuming Satan wants to get directly involved in our present age, and he desires to mislead and control the entire world. He demands misery and death. Who will he use to accomplish his ends? The brightest group of people on earth, or the dumbest? The most factionated, or one of unbreakable ideology? Powerless, or powerful, in control of media, entertainment and the wealth of the world? We are in a sad, sad predicament because peace is relatively achievable yet impossible as long as those with hands on the levers of power desire war.
The pain of war cannot exceed the woe of aftermath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-21AtiWV3TE
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ledzeppelin/thebattleofevermore.html
It isn't either-or with respect to Saudi Arabia/Qatar gas pipelines vs Israeli regional security interests (kill Assad). Lots of people want Assad to disappear, hence many sources of ISIS support.
Obama's mama is a goat
Bunch of crap.
What happens when you increase the supply of a commodity like gas and oil like we did?
The basis of shale gas were laid off at the end of the last century, in the late nineties. Now... if you are planning to flood the world with a commodity, and you have friends that are trading in those commodities (namely TX Oil Oligarchs, the Saudies, and the other Bush friends), and there are good chances that the demand is not going to grow as fast as the supply... what do you do?
Exactly what we did in the last 15 years. We acted creating disruptions on "unfriendly suppliers", namely Iraq, Libya, constant instability in the Middle East.... Sirya was going to be a gift to the Saudi to cut out the Russians and give them access to the European market for gas. Also the "Shale gas miracle", the investments, the research, the employment that was created here in the USA, direct and indirect... it was good business for all the big boys, from oil companies to defense suppliers at the expenses of... well somebody will pay for these wars... They were wars of disruption, not war for conquest. We were able to make the industrial complex and the oil and gas oligarchs happy with high oil prices. We could have never had those high prices without the disruptions that we created.
At the end however... we created ISIS, all was good until Russia halted everything. Yes, this is the reason why Russia is so bad. Putin screwed up our plans. After Sirya probably there was going to be Iran, but Putin... that pain in the ass for our leaders... Putin screwed up everything. We thought we could do everything we wanted... But Putin... son of a matrioska... he screwed up our Siryan adventure... and our disruption plans.
If you pay attention... most of our problems started when Putin put a Veto over Sirya attack. After that we were unlucky. Global demand contracting did the rest and the shit reached the fan...
Now we'd like to go back to war... it worked in the past, it might work again. Crazy?... Absolutely yes. Criminal? You bet. The Saudis have been responsible with us for countless lives. They deserve everything that is coming their way.
No my dear. Arabs found balance in the past, they will find it again. Again... the goal of our leaders was not to fix, but to keep the Middle East in a perpetual state of chaos. The best thing we can do now... is let the Arabs be. We have the technology to live without oil. It is time we use it...
Agreed with you right up to the last sentence. We have NO technology that can completely replace oil. No plane is going to fly on any known source of energy available today except oil. No tires, fertilizers, pharmicuticals, or plastics will be made without oil. Almost everything you touch is connected to oil...
Agreed... solar panels and nuke plants don't poop out billions of tons of life sustaining plastics and petrochemicals.
The Libyan beheadings hoax:
http://winteractionables.com/?p=18485
Doesn't the Tribe originate from that part of the Globe? From what I see they don't appear to be that bright either, unless they can con the Goy to do their bidding.
The dispensationalists' words coming out like ponyards are...well, "fairly" reminiscent of agitators. Qui Bono.
Not ur average Pentecostal-Evangelical Murican, that's reserved for the community, behind walls, be it mega church or smaller non-denominational structures.
Not your Westboro types, they attended fed training courses. Phelps #2 defected. Was a rooze.
Not the die Hards "Clements" (no, not the ante-nicean one from Alexandra, the one from Hannibal, MO) who devoted his august years sinning about, what with his writings e.g., anti-imperialist papers...dem were Catholics though. Should hear evangelicals-neu talk about the Catholics. They bond over spritzere' n U2....
The Muricans travellin' to China and Nigeria doing...well, whatever their pastor told em to do...or a Joyce M or a Schaffer...somewhere a Scofield bible nearby....
Who's gettin' the benefit. This is ZH, not the "hang-out" appropriate to find potential converts.
A place to engage others:
With hostile designation, being [a] satanis (satanis/olde bible def: v. to accuse, n. the accuser/n. one who judges) er, just enjoying that tick which comes from talking superior from low ground.
There's an undeniable pernicious air of reward buffing- neurotransmitters gittin' tripped, reupped, when (atheist/cave man diet-er/Pentecostal-Snake handler) the believers' fury is kinda hanging around, bouncing about. it's kinda goofy minus the facial morphology.
But...
Still seems off. Like a Hudes interview when the 2-3 foot long skulled race of reeeeal gold short-fatty fingersolds pop up Outta no where (yikes!).
Two very, very general kinda sides here: the kinda folks who repeat the same shit in the same capacity to the same (familiar) news and the others who may end up doing the same but the difference is in the response, perhaps a question or statement which implies one.
Zh article with ISIS in the headline...
don't know if it's 1 or 20 ppl but alway:
"Something something muzziez, religion of peace..."
(Insert gold/silver bitchez!)
-retort
(Numerical facts re: millions of muzzlies killed+the shit was based off lies and the idiotry)
here either 1 poster stops or a 2nd, 3rd 4th round cometh.
Back to the pre-post millennia dispensationalists...
Either they get pleasure (covet) from telling other ZH'ers they'll be spending Lotsa time in Gehinnom (look this one up if unfamiliar. It's the real hell, refered to by historical Yeshua/Jesus) or they're doing something else.
Not picking on evos specific, posts been extra "Hmm" in that direction. Tomorrow? Army of Dawkins.
Ez I could be so far off the !mark! (Sin->medieval archery term meaning "to miss the [target] mark") dead wrong, could be some serious NIV reading folks here.
O/T just an observation: in my earlier silver-days I was non-plussed at how common the Christian/Stacker combo was in the US. Someone needs to .edu me on what "stacking" was like pre 21st century minus all this WiMAX HFT Shit. Before the .com bust.
More people dying from diseases, car accidents, etc. than by the hands of IS.
Might want to look internally at your problems rather than trying to project the hate outwards on a culture, people, problem you don't understand:
Sure, the world should tolerate the intolerant. And we should tolerate ass hats who would much prefer an unarmed populace for despots.
And we most certainly should tolerate ISIS's rampage across the middle east as they murder Muslims, Christians, Jews men women and children by the hundreds of thousands.
We should tolerate Saudi princes traveling to sex slave centers created by ISIS to rape little boys.
We should look the other way as ISIS wipes out Yazidi's, a real, peaceful religious people that predate Mohammed.
I do not tolerate assholes like you that equivocate the above with car accidents and gun crimes in the US.
Not only is that supremely stupid it's a danger to the world. Project hate? We just don't understand?
Fuck you in the ass with a broken broomstick handle. I think the world understands just fine.
I second that...
i'm just stating facts, and now i'm stating a prophecy: we will have WWIII against IS in MENA
I'll gladly take my chances being one of the 32k vs. living in what the US would fast become without guns.
good luck
Hey, trader1. How much do Soros and Bloomberg pay to have you troll sites like ZH? Is is good money? Do you get little perks like free porn in the off hours? Do you ever get outside to see anything real?