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"Greek Democracy Can't Be Threatened" Defiant Tsipras Warns "Won't Step Back From Promises"
The rhetoric from both sides in Europe is hotting up but we suggest Tsipras' comments seem far more personal and existential than the Eurogroup's beligerence for now:
- *TSIPRAS: GREEK DEMOCRACY CAN'T BE THREATENED
- *TSIPRAS: GREEK GOVT NOT IN A HURRY, WON'T COMPROMISE
- *TSIPRAS: GREECE WON'T TAKE A STEP BACK FROM PROMISES TO PEOPLE
With a "strong mandate" to save the country, Tsipras adds that he wants "a solution, not rupture."
Additionally, he noted:
- *TSIPRAS: GREECE HASN'T OVERCOME ITS FINANCIAL PROBLEMS
- *TSIPRAS: GREEKS NOW FEEL PROUD, WORTHY
- *TSIPRAS: GREECE CAN'T BE TREATED AS A COLONY
- *TSIPRAS: GREECE CAN'T BE TREATED AS EUROPE'S PARIAH
- *TSIPRAS: GREECE WILL MANAGE TO EXIT ITS DEBT TRAP
- *TSIPRAS: GREEK, EUROPEAN PEOPLE SUPPORT GOVT'S RED LINES
- *TSIPRAS: GOVT HAS STRONG MANDATE TO SAVE COUNTRY, PEOPLE
- *TSIPRAS: GREEK GOVT NOT IN A HURRY, WON'T COMPROMISE
- *TSIPRAS: GREEK GOVT WILL UPHOLD ITS ELECTION PLEDGES
- *TSIPRAS: GREECE WON'T TAKE A STEP BACK FROM PROMISES TO PEOPLE
- *TSIPRAS: GREECE WANTS SOLUTION NOT RUPTURE
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lol - what democracy?
Uh oh! He's looks to be doing that Bernanke 'praying' pose in the foto caption.
Face it, Greeks, you ARE a colony of the other European states, since you owe them 300 billion Euro. And debt slaves like you Greeks have no dignity, are not "worthy" and have no reason to be proud or arrogant like you Greeks. If you are ready to accept this simple truth we can talk about what can be done, if not fuck off and get out of the Euro and the EU.
"since you owe them 300 billion Euro"
So is that like, 1 billion Euro per Spartan, or does King Leonidas have to pay a higher share?
It would be remarkable if the small nation of Greece was in fact a Trojan Horse to blow up the Euro.
The Euro has no basis in Europe. It is a figment of someone's imagination. No currency had ever been designed just by bankers without any from of backing in terms of national collateral or in this case, UNIFIED national collateral.
At least the USD has Fed(eral) debt paper backing it. There is nothing behind the Euro. Just eurocrats and international bankers.
I keep telling you this is planned. The ECB is firing up the printing presses to cover up the default. It is easy to blame a poor nation of 9 million instead of accepting the EU is a disaster.
Bingo Vampy. The EU WAS supposed to be the shining example of centrally planned paradise. The model for global governance. Unfortuantely for the NWO, reality is not optional.
On the flip side; Greece can't function outside the EU nor inside the EU they are corrupt to the core and have a population too comfortable with the dole and early retirement. They have been a backet case for decades. To denounce control from your enabler is very childish. Dark times ahead for Greece in any event.
There is nothing behind the Euro...
Sure there is! Hubris.
It's my understanding that the Euro is partially backed by Gold, and under quarterly review/adjustment.
At what price? Sure it is.
Meanwhile, you owe the entire world an apology for being such a clueless tool of the bankster class. If you are ready to accept this simple truth we can talk about what can be done, if not fuck off and get out.
...so this is just all boiling down to who can lie with the most veracity again?
Don't bother, he's a dumbfuck. Germany isn't even sovereign and yet he calls other nations colonies and such.
What's really embarrassing is to have the Germans put up a man like Schauble to basically BEG the Greeks to reconsider and accept the terms. They already said no, but the Germans and EU elite keep begging anyway. Wow... talk about losing dignity.
You, my friend, have hit the nail on the head. I just read that Schäuble will give them, yet (drum rolls) ANOTHER ULTIMATUM!
This must be the motherloade of the Ultimatum of the Ultimatums. Reminds me of Obama with his red lines.
Germans have painted them into a corner. The new heros (who would have thought?) are called Putin, Tsipras and Yanis. Everybody knows their names. The Greeks are coming out of the ashes with a big middle finger and I hope they stay course.
The Banking cartel are shitting bricks and ordering a hitman as we speak.
Greek politicians are too corrupt to run a lemonade stand sustainably. Greece has very little industrial output. Greece has a very heavy 50-something retirement class that will not accept cutbacks in their bennies. What makes you think that they will be anything but a mini-Venezuela once the EU money stops flowing?
Hugh are you sure your talking about greece ..sounds like you just described the USA to me
>>> Greece has very little industrial output.
Maybe not. But Greece certainly has an awful lot of very nice real estate. Foreign ownership of real estate means nothing when a sovereign government chooses to exercise its power to tax or simply seize real estate in any way and in any amount it chooses.
ZHers cheering for debt slaves
Well, when one "owes" 300 bilion Euro and is already starving, who should be more worried? The debitor or the creditor ?
Besides, the Greeks are not the debitors; Greek private banks are. the "nationalization" of debt without, at least, some kind of a referendum, is a fraud and a crime, besides being null and void because determined by a government that didn't have a mandate to do such a thing.
I find these neoliberals funny ! Nation States are a thing of the past except when "nationalizing" debt is needed to save incompetent bankers ! What's the matter ? Can't you cope with the cost of having taken bad decisions to ensure your bonuses for the years 2002/2007 ?
Grow up and take the loss with dignity !
Let the EU Plutocracy fall.
OT: Great article by Jeff J. Brown about MSM and false flags; lots of good links;
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2015/02/behind-great-western-firewall-is-ugly.html
He also mentions the best alternative news sources to read
Good Link TRP .... I picked up 6 good links ....would have done more, but theres only so much time in a day.....and i still have to feed the Alpacas and Donkeys.
.....J Brown speaks of the false flags ....and im saddened to admit i see little chance of reason asserting itself in the near future .....perhaps after the great reset, but even then the PTB will be gaming the reset.
Over to you Mr. Soluble or whatever.
The moral of the story, don't fuck with dudes with untucked shirts.
Go Tsipiras! A country with a $240B GDP threatening to destroy the mighty EU. Just wait till the Ruskies put the pressure!
Russia should offer aide to Greece.
Russia and China . love to see heads explode in Brussels
TSIPRAS: NO FUTURE FOR GREECE IN EU OR NATO, TRANSITION TO YAUN COMPLETE, SHANGHAI CO-OPERATION COUNCIL DEAL SIGNED
Que- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjnZO5ZgWE8
Today, I bought one of those 'Greek-style' yogurts.
There was nothing in the pot.
Greek Style Yogurt = put any yogurt in a coffee filter & suspend over a bowl overnight & charge idiots who drive a Prius DOUBLE the price for it.
I wish the other world leaders would listen to this guy, especially Obama.
The Greece government made a promise to the people, the people voted him in on the promise and it appears the government is fighting hard to keep that promise and the people are behind their government. A breath of fresh wind.
Why would anyone downvote this comment?
Keeping promises made to voters is bad?
Making promises that you will give everyone a raise, give them pension increases, give them more free shit without any reasonable plan to actually deliver on the promise - a way to pay for it - is a bad thing.
Sometimes leadership is required to lead people through a time of hardship and pain with the hope to live a better life in the future
Todays politician promises free shit for all and gets the money to pay for the promise from borrowing it and installing policies that hurt economic development in the long run.
"I wish the other world leaders would listen to this guy, especially Obama."
Obama? Really?
I want my free unicorn and I want it NOW -
After Greece exits the Euro and does an Iceland it should exit NATO.
Spain, Italy and Portugal should follow.
Jail the banksters.
Yessss excellent. NATO is Nazi organisation led by the Useless Snakes.
Hold on, Alexis! You're on the right track!
So what they want is to have their balls licked while agreeing on the EU baillout... So far it's a Flirt and a Massive Fail for this Gov of ignorant or puppet...
TSIPRAS, David was nervous too..
There is no monetary, fiscal, or political "solution" to real resource scarcity.
Now wait a minute. I've been told infinite growth was the path to a brighter future.
I've also been told that more, more, more, more and more people is no problem at all because those billions more people will come up with creative ideas for extracting whatever resources we might need to grow forever from the vacuum of space. Or, we can just go mine other planets and asteroids and stuff considering how easy it is to just hop on a spaceship to the asteroid belt these days. /sarc
Germany will be deeply sorry if/when the countries that make the Euro soft as Greek yoghurt leave the union.
And still, Schauble is no fool, but he seems convinced that he is holding the joker somehow...
Germanys' exports depend heavily on a depressed Euro. A depressed Euro is a function of Southern European members inability to contain/pay their debt.
A classic conundrum.
So zee German finmin is betting on what?
That card has been dealt!
I hope he can find a solution, but it does not look good for them at the moment. All I can see is contagion.
First of all, the article as many previous articles by zerohedge are confusing two things: Greek financial and economic situation with its political one. A greek default doesn't mean a Euro exit. Two different things indeed. If you read the Lisbon or Maastricht treaties, there is no formal law or clause stipulating how a country can leave the Euro zone. Again Detroit defaulted but didnt get kicked out of the USD "union". The european bureaucrat pricks dont want a broken country with a grudge, it exposes them to political hazard (i.e Russia, China etc). It's going to be a political bailout until they figure a way to kick them out of the euro zone legally and that will mean time to amend the treaties. The greeks know that the only leverage they have is a political one. Keep in mind the russian ukrainian conflict and how merkel and holland are trying to extinguish that fire because they knoiw that the greek's last strong political card to be played is an eastern rapprochement. Again, no Euro Exit for Greece, Default is possible.
Ghordie?
Do the Lisbon or Maastricht treaties prohibit exit? If not, the the rules are made up as they go. Even if exit was prohibited, so what? Treaties get broken. You think words on paper means anything? cough Chamberlain cough
EU Commission on Grexit: 'Euro membership is irrevocable'
http://rt.com/news/220039-greece-eurozone-exit-crisis/
So yes, no way to get out once you're in.
European Commission spokesperson for Jobs, Growth, Investment, EMU (Economic and Monetary Union) and the European Semester, Annika Breidthardt called membership "irrevocable" during a press briefing on Monday.
Well, if a spokesperson said it, then a whole country has to obey. LOL
Okay, so have a legal opinion [PDF]-
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn06342.pdf
Did you miss the part where I mocked treaties as words on paper?
That's why breaking them never leads to war, mass death and destruction, right?
Where the fuck did that come from? I didn't say anything like that. Put words in your own mouth, not mine, jackass.
I've been stating this over and over. If such a thing as a Grexit were desirable, it would've already happened.
This is all about crisis responses in order to further integrate the EU where they've failed in the past.
You'll notice not only has Tsipras not mentioned leaving, he's talking about totally reforming the EU.
Greece wouldn't be allowed to leave even if they wanted to. After all, Lincoln proved 150 years ago that "unions" are insolvable.
6 days, 3 hours... on ZH
The only way to keep one country subservient to another ultimately is by force of arms. And I doubt that Merkel will be flying in Waffen paratroopers any time soon.
Keeping Greece in the European Common Market sans the Euro is the solution.
The problem is the haircut on the debt. London and New York criminal bankers are so worried that they have now enlisted Team Obama (supported by a long list of historical successes of solving intricate problems) to keep the Greeks on the OPM drip.
Grasping for straws ?
Let the Euro fail and let all Europeans go back to their own national currencies that they can control.
HANG THE BANKSTERS and all co-conspirators!
NUEREMBERG TRIALS NOW!
Nothing money printing can't solve. And that is how it will be solved. Greece is just going to be the first to make this ploy. They are doing it in public. The rest will be do it in back rooms, just like JPM's whale trade bailout. The ECB doesn;t want to get dragged through the mud like this again. Confidence is everything to the bankers.
Say what you will about the man, but he's got balls. Would you dare to play that game on that level? I know I wouldn't, the pressure must be huge. I don't like his political orientation, but so far I sure like his personality.
Dear god....Have some balls and leave this bullshit union already tsipras.
I'm starting to think my initial feeling was right : they are just professional politicians trying to "compromise" ,but no guts to make an actual decisions and stick to it. Too fucking scared , are you ?
They had their chance , if they dont take it , screw them.
Have a virgina, do you know what a pounding that it can take.
Here comes Russia
Have a virgina, do you know what a pounding that it can take.
Here comes Russia
They are playing chicken with the EU.
Plan A is to have the EU ship them free money which is as close to truly free as can be.
Plan B is to have the EU throw them out of the union instead of quitting the EU. The result is the same but the PR is much different. They may already have a deal with Russia and as part of the deal Russia wants to see the EU throw Greece out of the union so they can ride in like heros. The optics are much different than if Greece just quits and sides with Russia. It makes it look like Russia is trying to break the union as opposed to the union breaking itself.
Plan C is no more money, and the Greeks decide to leave.
Seems like he's fully expecting to leave, but he has to appear to go through a good faith effort to explore resolution before he does.
Drachma.
Fields must get plowed under before new crops may sprout.
Face it, Greeks, you ARE a colony of the other European state, since you owe them 300 billion Euro. And debt slaves like you Greeks have no dignity, are not "worthy" and have no reason to be proud or arrogant like you Greeks. If you are ready to accept this simple truth we can talk about what can be done, if not fuck off and get out of the Euro and the EU.
Face it, Amerecinas, you ARE a colony of the Federal reserv, since you owe them xxx $. And debt slaves like you Americans have no dignity, are not "worthy" and have no reason to be proud or arrogant like you Americans. If you are ready to accept this simple truth we can talk about what can be done, if not fuck off and get out of the USA.
fixed for you, no thanks needed
Judging by his username (for what its worth) he is of German descent...jus saying. Nonetheless, your comments are still apropriate because Germany is another slave colony of the US of Asses.
jezz change americans to germans ...
He has 10 days to get his mind right and if that doesn't work then....He'll have 10 more!
Funny stuff all these complicated money talks!
When will Greece run out of cash to pay government workers?
Will he skip a few payrolls or fold?
Keep a promise to give raises and not giving them a paycheck at all is a pretty wide span to cover.
The reason I didn't pay you - the reason you have no money to buy food for your kids is because I want to hold out so I can give you a raise.
Now Hungary is makig deals with Vlad. The Useless Snakes is head banging. hahahaha. Come one Russia and China, just BUY all of Greece and tell the West to go pound sand,.
We will forgive Greece debt to EU, no need to buy
For people who write long comments...use paragraphs/spaces or I wont read what you write.
Sick of seeing a funcking mass of text.
PS: We don't see what threats these leaders are getting behind the secenes ....maybe why his comments are the way they are.
Are the Greeks liars and cheats? Yes.
Did the EU look the other way regarding their creative book keeping for years? Yes.
Did Germany first break the 3% debt/GDP rule? Yes.
So in essence, this Greek Tragedy (pun intended) has not one, but many protagonists. Europe is getting what it deserves.
...their creative book keeping...
I would support Mr. Black's counsel to prosecute the individuals responsible for this criminal conduct, i.e. Goldman Sachs and their marketing department who after successfully destroying the US middleclass' nest eggs moved on to the next weakest link, the PIIGS of the EU, believing there to be no international legal agency to prosecute them for their egregious, immoral and utterly contemptible control fraud.
Plan A was to bring Greece and other weak countries into the Euro to weaken it and be a massive bonus to German and French exports. Mission accomplished.
The piddling amount of Greece's debt is nothing compare to the trade surpluses Germany has achieved because of a Euro much weaker than a DM would have been.
Still kings of deep fisting
Dear Greece,
Fuck off and leave the Euro. You are worthless to us; even your Ouzo is cats piss. We will be fine without you. Please dont write or call. We dont care what happens to you. We really dont. You borrowed all this money and you dont want to repay? Well then, the door is waiting for you.
Yours, The Rest of Europe.
You came to the wrong place to spill your foolish bile
who are you to complain? Go away. This is an open forum.
"Rest of Europe"
See? There is your first mistake. There is no such thing as a united "Rest of Europe". As one of these lazy South Europeans myself I can tell you that after Greece there will be many more that will follow that path. Wait and see.
If humanity does not swiftly wake up to the fact that the 1% of the geniuses, within the 5% of humanities' psychopaths, have not only taken over, but are getting ever more adept at exploiting our deepest, empathic, phycological mechanisms, then we’re done for.
It is our biggest issue, and may quite well be Fermies’ “Great Filter” event. Ukraine is not going to fizzle out. They’ll raise the stakes so far out of our comfort zone... make a new plan and try again. And again. They are ruthless.
The Greeks and the Russians have leaders who know this. These men are the light of the world right now and deserve our utmost support.
LOL, they are the mirror. They are agitating their people for slaughter, as well.
Look, the Greeks can solve this problem in a second. Default on the debt, use their own currency and he can have all of the Democracy he wants. Then the rest of Europe can deal with the fallout.
This is hard because the something for nothing crowd is now too large to bribe and keep satisfied.
I hope the Greeks stay the course.
As what Germany does to the Greeks today - is what the Versailles treaties did to Germany back then:
Strangling a nation.
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BTW:
They (both) have learned nothing from history.
Neither the Greeks - with having let their oligarchs and corrupt politicans get away for decades.
Nor the Germans - that enslaving and strangling nations (with first inviting them to more and more debt - and then when the wind changes bring them down on their kees) in the long end will not work.
Wide spread ignorance of the 0.01% as well as the 99.99% are the leading forces.
Even the german (US led) dickheads will finally also have to pay their price for their relentless greed.
The sooner the better for the rest of Europe.
But that is what you get if you have ZIRP or NIRP and CBers the last say: money for free - until finally the debt bubble pops.
Fuck Germany.
Fuck EU.
Fuck USSA.
And most of all - fuck All Central bankers.
All of which have learnt absolutely nothing from history.
Just stupid dumb short memoried ignorant sheeple.
"And most of all - fuck All Central bankers"
They have learned how to survive, and thrive, under any conditions.
Show me one in jail .... or poor..
Show me the sheeple with memory lasting more then a few days ... political parties can do whatever they want (stealing, lying, cheating, killing poeple, start wars, ...) and still the majority of sheeple is not gonna change their mind.
Yes - It's the fault of the 0.01%.
BUT be aware that IN MAJORITY it is the fault of the 99.99% which let it happen. Day after day, election after election, generation after generation ... since Stonage.
The 0.01% are the result of the ignorance of the 99.99%.
So who's fault it is????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnmjFNcbv7I
Lyin', cheatin', hurtin, that's all you seem to do.
Messin' around with every guy in town,
Puttin' me down for thinkin' of someone new.
Always the same, playin' your game,
Drive me insane, trouble is gonna come to you,
One of these days and it won't be long,
You'll look for me but baby, I'll be gone.
This is all I gotta say to you woman:
Made up my mind to break you this time,
Won't be so fine, it's my turn to cry.
Do want you want, I won't take the brunt.
It's fadin' away, can't feel you anymore.
Don't care what you say 'cause I'm goin' away to stay,
Gonna make you pay for that great big hole in my heart.
People talkin' all around,
Watch out woman, no longer
Is the joke gonna be on my heart.
You been bad to me woman,
But it's coming back home to you.
"comments seem far more personal and existential than the Eurogroup's beligerence for now: "
this comment seems far more personal and beligerant
What does democracy have to do with anything?
Voters in a democracy can vote themselves more free shit - as long as someone else can be forced to pay for it - or you can borrow it - or steal it -
But when you run out of other people's money then you can be a democracy or totalitarian dictatorship or any other fucking form of governance know to man - and it will not matter -
No money to pay for free shit is the problem.
All I read was: "blah blah blah, give us more money without conditions blah blah, socialist mandate, blah blah. We're broke so lets hire more government workers and let in a bunch more illegal immigrants. Who does this guy think he is? Obama? Leave the EU or STFU.
Greek dummy believes that getting about 1/3 of the vote means that his party is absolute ruler of country of Greece.
Funny to hear a socialist complain when sent the bill for socialist failure of 50 years and 50 years prior to that.
bailout is the name of the game, the rest of all this is just theater for the sheeples
The best thing Tsipras and Varifoukas have done is explain who actually gets stuck with their bill if they default. The Bailouts changed the bagholders.
Wake up Everybody! EU and US both.
Looks like Greece above all wants to avoid the Pickens Rule:
When you want to make a deal real bad you will make a real bad deal.
T. Boone Pickens @boonepickens
BUT will they then jump off the Cliffs of Insanity and end up tortured by the Drachma in the Pit of Despair?? Pity the poor Pensioners as they are forced to dine on Rodents of Unusual Size.
No perp walks. No change.
Talk lots of talk.
Just make a law , NO MORE KIKEROACHES in banking ANYWHERE.
The 2 biggest mistakes in history.
1.Creation of the FED private Jew banking cabal.
2. Shutting down Auschwitz.
Let's make a deal. And build a beautiful "bridge" over shitysville together!
Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive", springs to mind when listening to Tsipras.