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Hundreds Of Ukraine Troops Surrender As Besieged Town Of Debaltseve Falls To Rebels
Last week, German equities soared to record highs with the Dax surpassing 11K, not only on the imminent arrival of the ECB's Q€ which provides a risk-less bid to all asset classes, but on news that a second Ukraine ceasefire had been achieved in Minsk. Well, just like the first Minsk "ceasefire" in September, one can promptly forget the just as "successful" second one, because overnight, after a several week siege, the Ukraine town of Debaltseve finally fell to rebel forces with "troops of Ukraine’s Armed Forces laying down arms en masse,” according to Donetsk rebel official Maxim Leschenko says, cited by Tass news service.
According to Reuters government forces started pulling out of the east Ukraine town on Wednesday after a fierce assault by the rebel separatists which Europe said violated a crumbling ceasefire. President Petro Poroshenko said before flying to the town of Debaltseve that more than 80 percent of his troops in the rail hub had already left following a heavy bombardment and street-by-street fighting despite the truce that took effect on Sunday.
As previously reported, according to the pro-separatists rebels the ceasefire does not apply to Debaltseve, which links the two rebel-controlled regions of eastern Ukraine, Donetsk and Luhansk.
Bloomberg adds, that "some Ukrainian troops are leaving the town as “full scale” street fighting continues following a small tank battle, Ilya Kyva, a deputy police chief of the Donetsk region, said by phone on Wednesday. Kyva wouldn’t say how many Ukrainian soldiers had left or how many still remained surrounded by the rebels. Ukrainian Eurobonds fell to a record as fighting was also reported near the coastal city of Mariupol."
And indeed, as the following map shows, the town's critical position between the key centers of Donetsk and Luhansk, made it inevitable that as east Ukraine seeks to consolidate its territory, the small city would fall.
By now the long-running spin on both sides is well-known: Poroshenko and the West say the rebel assault is being reinforced by Russian tanks, artillery and soldiers, though Moscow denies sending forces to join the battle for a region that President Vladimir Putin has called "New Russia".
"The actions by the Russia-backed separatists in Debaltseve are a clear violation of the ceasefire," European Union foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said in Brussels, stepping up Western criticism of the rebel offensive on Debaltseve. "The EU stands ready to take appropriate action in case the fighting and other negative developments in violation of the Minsk agreements continue," she said, making an apparent threat of further economic sanctions on Moscow.
A German government spokesman said the Minsk agreement had been damaged though it made sense to try to implement it.
Putin showed no sign of backing down over Ukraine on Tuesday evening, when he urged Kiev's pro-Western leaders to let their soldiers surrender to avoid more bloodshed, adding that Ukraine troops already have access to US weapons.
Hours later, the Ukrainian troop withdrawal was under way. A Reuters witness saw weary Ukrainian troops, their faces blackened, some in columns, some in cars, arriving in Artemivsk, about 30 km (20 miles) north of Debaltseve.
"The withdrawal of forces from Debaltseve is taking place in a planned and organized way," said Semen Semenchenko, who heads the Donbass paramilitary battalion. "The enemy is trying to cut the roads and prevent the exit of the troops," he said on Facebook.
News of the withdrawal hit markets, as Ukraine CDS soared while sovereign bonds crashed, pushing the entire nation even further into pre-bankruptcy and hyperinflation limbo.
So much for the ceasefire, although now that the entire industrial heavy east Ukraine region belongs to the separatists, the next step appears clear: a referendum whether or not to join Russia, a la Crimea, with an implementation shortly thereafter. This decision will be only facilitated following Bloomberg news that Kiev has decided to halt electricity supplies to the rebel region in the east. Perhaps the only question is whether fighting continues around Mariupol which would enable Russia to have a land corridor all the way to Crimea.
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All your nazis are belong to us
Does anyone know what inning it is? I hav'nt been keeping track.
I think it is at least the fifth yawning, but I have lost count.
But, but there is no encirclement and mass surrender, the Ukie media told me so.
Instead the pro US army was tricked by the Russian Weather Machine into leaving early for spring break, LOL
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-17/forget-hacking-cia-accuses-russ...
Where are John McCain or Dick Cheney wearing a cowboy hat and riding a nuclear bomb to its target in Moscow when you need them?
I demand the U.S. throw a bigger tantrum about Putin being right about U.S. efforts to regime change the Mid East to Western Democracy (Putin: This is lunacy that will fail and open the door to radicalization...)
If you read the article closely, you will learn that Porkyschenko is on his way to Debaltsevo, proof that pigs can fly.
Porkyschenko or the "chocolate king" will sooner head to Palm Springs on his way to Langley than visit the front.
Make that fucker move to Brighton Beach. He'll have some real friendly neighbors!
Putin doesn't want any more bits of Ukraine in Russia. He wants Ukraine to go broke trying to hold the pathetic entity together, with autonomy for the eastern rebel regions. He knows the West is already broke and can't afford to bail Ukraine out.
Why does anyone still believe that Putin will EVER annex Donbas??
"...So much for the ceasefire, although now that the entire industrial heavy east Ukraine region belongs to the separatists, the next step appears clear: a referendum whether or not to join Russia, a la Crimea, with an implementation shortly thereafter..."
It doesn't matter if Donbass had a referendum every day from now to eternity and votes to join Russia and become a part of it by 110% of the vote.
Russian does not want Donbass.
Russia does not want Luhansk.
Russia does not want Donetsk.
They want neighbors that are not insane and do not let the U.S. install ABM sites next to the Russain border. Putin has said over and over again that he has no intention of annexing Donbass and he doesn't care about their referendum. Crimea was a totally different situation - Donbass IS NOT Crimea.
Ignatius, +100
His family has already run away from the Ukraine.
Nothing says "leadership potential" like the ability to mfg a candy bar.
He's also a big time drug smuggler. I wonder what his distribution system is.
"...a big time drug smuggler."
Now that's leadership!
Diversification is important for a successful business.
He's also a big time drug smuggler. I wonder what his distribution system is.
It is pathetic how many Americans here believe such a blatant Russian agents like you Latina Lovers. How many are not even trying to ask most basic questions. Like how the rebels has defeated Ukrainian troops with tanks and other heavy weaponry. They dont ask because they are using the famous Orwells "double thinking".
They dont ask how Poroshenko made his fortune. In a country where Russian domination was so overwhelming and where without support of corrupted pro Putin government of Yanukovitch you could have done nothing.
Simple minded readers just know. At some day the NATO has arrived at Ukraine and in some magical way everything has changed. Yes, people are the same. Oligarchs are the same. Military generals are the same. Secret services are the same. The same as two years ago. But they all changed their hearts in one night. They during all their lives made money working with Russians and for Russians. But this one night everything has changed. They formed nazi anti Russian government.
This new government has all his heavy weapons. Military backing. NATO backing. IMF backing. But rebels are so brave! With his pikes and kalashnikovs they are doing his progress. Day after day they are pushing, defeating this terrible Ukrainian army with generals trained in former USSR but with changed hearts.
Yes. The rebels have pikes and kalashnikovs only. How could they have heavy weaponry? How could they have professional troops necessary to use this advanced weaponry? They could not because they had no help of Putin. They just had to be brave. And they are. They have stopped drinking. They have started to fight. So they are. Ukrainian army is destroyed. IMF, NATO all these backing has became useless.
And yes. Here we come. Our simple minded Americans are enjoying. NATO is so stupid. They didn't know how brave are Russian rebels. NATO didn't know how it will end.
Or maybe... They just had known? They had made the deal? Maybe this Ukrainian oligarchs and generals have not changed their hearts? Maybe Poroshonko is just puppet playing for stupid Americans and the rest of the world? Maybe there has changed nothing there. Maybe this deal with Putin was set up long ago and this war is not about Russia, NATO i.e the labels for naive people.
Start to think.
PS
And you, Russian agents who will gave me minuses. You are pathetic, but on the other side it is really amazing how easy is to stick any kind of nonsenses in people heads.
Well if you'd really cared about updating your facts on this crisis you would come to know E.Ukraine already had huge weaponary storage already way before the us backed coup .
Wasn't Porkyschenko the fat kid in the original Willy Wonka movie?
wouldnt it be great theater - if he got shot in the face by his own military while in Debaltseve?
The pocket of Debaltzevo was forgotten in the Minsk talks. How could Merkel and Hollande sign such a paper when a single look at a military map showed the problem of this mini-Stalingrad. Were they in a hurry to save Greece?
Barry O'Bummer must be livid.
Tylers, I saw what you did there:
"...the imminent arrival of the ECB's Q€ which provides a risk-less bid to all asset classes"
...except precious metals, which get another smackdown on no news.
Fixed.
Vlad will fix that too.
"Does anyone know what inning it is?"
That is the problem, they don't play baseball.
Novorossia = New Russia. It is not something Putin came up with. The federalists/separatists started calling their territory Novorossia back in March/April last year if I remember correctly.
Hope they burn Kiev to the ground and the nazis/fascists/zionists with it.
After watching hours and hours of youtube videos of burned up vehicles, mangled corpses, wrecked homes and infrastructure, I have to say I hope I don't see Kiev burned the ground.
Type the russian spelling of Debaltsevo (you'll find it in wikipedia)? into youtube and filter results to the last month. It is terrible carnage. Made me sad seeing all those dead fools.
You'll also notice that the captured Ukrainian regulars who are paraded around in some of those videos to bear the wrath of civilians (who heap on the invaders verbal abuse and rotten food for killing civilians, women and children) ) are not welcome in any way by the locals, who just want to be left alone, and you learn that these Ukrainians are considered foreign invaders.
It should be clear, the U.S. bought regime of Thugs in Kiev thanks to $5 billion pushed into the region for "democracy reform" post the U.S. backed Orange Revolution failure, brought this on themselves by taking a ultra-nationalist ethnic approach right out of the gate, attempting to pass laws outlawing all things Russian, with efforts to immediately push out Russian language ethnics who had lived in East Ukraine for hundreds of years.
Why the U.S. thinks is should run a proxy war on Putin's doorstep is blatantly transparent. It is a simple tantrum for not being able to throw U.S. weight around in Syria and Iran, and about enabling Sunni Oil states south of Syria to put a pipeline through Shia run Syria, Shiites considered heretics punishable by death by many Shia.
I would also add that the Pro US Regime in Kiev was to be the springboard to launch a color revolution to take down Russia and break it into pieces, the easier for the Western Scum to rape and pillage. Saudi Arabia is nothing compared to controlling Russia, which opens wide the gate to dominating China. This is the big USSA play, and as usual, is already failing.
Bean Farts must have been potent laughing gas this morning.
Is that why your statement is inane, because you are inhaling your own bean farts?
Freedumb, Augustus and the Latvian potato eater photographed holding a strategy planning meeting.
http://www.image.kg/images/2014/09/18/su4j.jpg
You would know. Must stink to be you.
LL: here's a post on the Saker that's probably worth a read.
1. THE ROOTS AND SOURCE OF TODAY’S ECONOMIC AND GEOPOLITICAL CRISIS.
Today, the world is in a situation that can be characterized as a dead end that the liberal financial-oriented world economy drove itself into after remaining the dominant economic system following the collapse of the USSR. Not going into much more detail on that theme, since doing so would require a whole other in-depth discussion, I will simply point out that, as historical experience and logical consideration confirm, this economic system cannot work without theft. On its own, without infusions from outside, it is not able to sustain itself, therefore a long period in which no one goes to war and no one is robbed, for countries sitting at the top of the liberal “food chain”, will always mean a crisis of the economic system itself. The need for war or theft is a matter of life and death for many (if not for all) countries of the West. The danger for the West today is that “potential victims” are nowhere to be found. In the world of today, the approximate parity of strength is like it was before two world wars, which itself increases many times over the risk of a new world conflict. A classical conflict, as during the previous two world wars, or as a hybrid, hidden beneath a large number of local conflicts (the main goal of which will be not to allow the nuclear weapons deterrent to be used!) together with informational and economic aggression.
What goals are the wars’ organizers aiming for?
....
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2015/02/global-politics-war-of-meaning...
Not really new,, and the author fails to mention the usual suspects. It's as though nations naturally act against their own prosperity and best interests.
Leopold not a complete loss for US they did collect 33 tons of gold from Ukraine central bank, stacking next to the 141 tons they collected from Libya.
Plus the billions stolen by the Oligarchs and parked outside of the Ukraine.
Libya also had $350 billion in cash reserves and........it's GONE!
Actually I think there is around $100 billion left but now that oil production as well as all other productive activities have all but stopped, that will not last long.
The so-called rebels were pissed because the man they voted for (and won democratically), Yanukovich, was ousted and replaced by a russophobe Oligarch and former CIA spy, Poroshenko.
The people in Lugansk and Donetsk understood from the beginning that they had to fight for their lives, knowing full well that they were regarded as sub-humans by the so-progressive West-Ukrainians. And fight they did.
I respect these people for their bravity. I never heard of any atrocity they commited but plenty of atrocities the Ukrainians comitted.
Take one look at the ex-Goldmanites who were fast-tracked to Ukrainian citizenship so that they could assume lead positions in the government to make the country Western Bankster Looting Friendly, and then how quicky Ukraine's gold was looted to Western institutions, and you're following the correct bread crumbs.
And Hunter Biden in line for oil contracts before bodies even got cold.
The people in this region don't forget easily, they have been through some shit, their parents have been through some shit, and their grandparents have been through some shit...
They know the score here.
Bit before Putin's time actually. . . Novorossiya or New Russia (from Russian: ???????????, Romanian: Noua Rusie; literally “New Russia”) is a historical term of the Russian Empire from 1764–1873 denoting a region north of the Black Sea (presently part of Ukraine)
FYI, historical Novorossiya is the light blue area of this map that shows Ukrainian territory in 1654, 1922, 1939, 1945, and 1954.
"All your nazis are belong to us"
It's after midnight...do you know where your Nazis are?
Neo-Nazi's: "I've fallen and I can't get up!!"
"Clapper, Clapper, get your John Clapper . . . . ."
I hope they fucking burn in hell
Jim Willie has an interesting take on this with the meeting of Puty, Mutti & Hollande.
Rebels are freeing the Debtslaves!
I don't think NATO could fuck this up worse if that was their goal.
Hold that thought...
Ya don't underestimate them.
Yes. There is no way back. This once unified people have now fought two wars against each other in less than a year.
But from the point of view of a western war-monger everything's just going fine according to the plan of destruction.
Mission accomplished.
Now let's go have a drink.
Ivo Jima :)
BBC Propagandist runs from incoming Ukrainian artillery, but calls it "outgoing" rebel shelling.
Apparently in the Western media, you should not believe your own eyes or reason—out is in, up is down, and left is right
In one more incredibly biased TV report from the Donetsk airport, a BBC journalist started accusing Donetsk self defense forces of breaking the ceasefire while almost getting killed by a Ukrainian "peace-loving" sticking-to-ceasefire shell.
First, Ian Pannell, international BBC corespondent, implicitly accuses rebels of a "scorched earth policy".
http://russia-insider.com/en/tv_media_watch/2015/02/17/3576
So Brian Williams is moonlighting with the BBC while on leave?
so the bbc is biased but russian insider is unbiased. clown. the reporter was in no danger btw (I have seen the bbc report).
Puutie's Paid Performers are overjoyed this morning. Puutie blows the dog whistle and the totalitarian supporters are baying loudly with love of the master.
Suck it Galacian Ukie, your nazi pro USSA troops lost again. The barking you hear are your dogs of war getting their asses kicked again.
yes it's hard to distinguish where the apparatchiks' tongues end and putin's dick begins.
Sounds like you have a rectal problem.
Why are you such a perverse mother-fucker? How do you find the time to break away from your chasing little boys pasttime to post here? You add nothing of value.
Look foks, he's just playing with you. If he's ignored long enough he may go away.
You know, this guy might even be non other than Peter (Walzman) Poroshenko.
would you prefer me to let you fight it out for putin fluffing duties in private?
finally the hasbara team bus arrives!
not even on the field yet.. and ..
takes a swing.. and a miss
Yep, there are hundreds of clowns cluttering up the comments sections here spouting the Kremlin line for this and that. Unfortunately there are very few commenters now worth reading :P
If Zero hedge implement an ignore button then things will be fixed, it will take only 40-50 clicks and the comment section will start to work again.
Just because you believe in The Matrix doesn't mean you'll get out alive. Nature doesn't care if you do.
Finally some good news this morning. Fuck the IMF, World Bank, BIS, CIA, NWO
No reason to help them, they are fucking themselves very well.
think j biden would grope Putin's girl?? no he ain't that senile, oh wait.
"think j biden would grope Putin's girl?? "
I hope he does...I wouldn't mind seeing some MMA Chi laid on on that loudmouthed bag of bones....!
He's so consistantly drunk that he wouldn't feel it. I wonder what his security says about him.
As if Putin isn't a part of his own NWO?
That's a good one. LOL
"As if Putin isn't a part of his own NWO?"
touché...but it would be fun seeing Biden in a twisted ball of pulp...Maybe Segal could join in!!!
Bone-crackin' fun!
Yes, this suck Putin's dick echo chamber is getting tiresome.
Sour Grapes Son?
No, I'm not going to lose any sleep over Putin's move and more power to the separatists for raging against the machine. However, the Putin good US bad shit is laughable. US gets coopted by fascists and now Russian dicatator is the shit? Really? This fuck isn't going to help your cause. He has his own.
I don't think he is. His past and blood line aren't the right fit for it.
Dito . . .
russia will talk and our state dept will take it all in as fact. putin knows the idiots leading the west are well idiots. checkmate
I have heard that the rebels are eating the brains of the ukraine gubbermint troops....
Dust off the 1914 Belgian babies on bayonets of Huns posters. A few name changes and Voila'
The ukies prob sobered up and wondered why they are fighting for the IMF bankers.
Vietcong tried once with McCain, found skull is empty, closed it and sent him back to the USSA.
Impossible for the obvious reason.
nice work, noodleman
Now the land bridge to Crimea and game set match.
Putin won't accept any such referendum. He doesn't WANT the East Ukraine. He wants a unified, neutral, non-Russophobic and NATO-free Ukraine on his doorstep. Crimea was the only Ukrainian region of value that was essential to Russia and, well, we know how that turned out.
Again, he's playing pyramid chess against a group of monkeys that are more inclined to try to eat the board.
And I thought that they were just flinging their poop.
... fighting continues around Mariupol which would enable Russia to have a land corridor all the way to Crimea.
Tylers check your maps. Crimea is 300 km SW of Mariupol. E-Ukrane will have a hard time to fight for that route if not impossible. They will demand a corridor to the black see including Mariupol and Russia will connect Crimea with a bridge in the south.
Thus far he has been playing against monkeys. There may be staging going on to change that. If groups of NATO type mercs are captured and exposed then this is a greater victory and shows a battle against a supported force was won. (Polish mercs do not count.) But I do not think these forces are merc lead, they are instead expendable. Kiev has made a mistake to throw troops out there after the previous cease fire too soon as it is too obvious they are cannon fodder..
The next inning will be more important. Kiev will have arms, advisors, more modern heavy weapons and perhaps NATO "peacekeepers" to take control of key areas gained while the Kiev forces continue to push. But if the EUke's control the key towns before this it is better for them. Something is being staged, feels like it is intended to be an overpowering push. If it does not happen WUke's potential internal problems fester.
Well done boys & girls. Next stop - Kiev!
Well done boys.
No place for fascists or Nazis in the Ukraine or in Europe.
You have struck a blow for liberty and for legal government.
Better still you have kicked the neo cons, the USA and EUSSR right in a very painful place.
Thanks.
You have no idea what a fascist is, sadly the products of our lefty education system are so thoroughly dogmatised that they cannot recoginise fascism if it whipped up a violent movement and openly supplied it with troops, all the while controlling the economy directing the people's money into state activities.
That almost finishes off the new ceasefire - exactly what the Nobel Prize winner wanted. Time for more US arms and US trainers to head to the Ukraine:
Minsk cease-fire verging on collapse as fighting continues in east Ukraine
By Niles Williamson18 February 2015
Fighting escalated in the eastern Ukrainian city of Debaltseve on Tuesday, as the cease-fire negotiated last week in Minsk has failed to take hold.
There was street-to-street fighting in Debaltseve, as pro-Russian separatist militias moved to consolidate control over the city, where at least 5,000 Ukrainian troops are trapped. The separatists aim to reinforce their strategic position by seizing the city—a key rail hub connecting the rebel-controlled cities of Donetsk and Luhansk—from the NATO-backed Kiev regime.
Eduard Basurin, spokesman for the Donetsk People’s Republic’s (DPR) Defense Ministry, told reporters that the separatists controlled “eighty percent” of Debaltseve on Tuesday.
Ukraine’s Defense Ministry reported that a group of soldiers had been ambushed and taken prisoner by the pro-Russian separatists. While Kiev did not confirm how many were captured, separatists claimed that they had captured as many as 300 soldiers.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/02/18/ukra-f18.html
USSA heavy weapons won't matter a great deal unless you have specialists to operate them. This takes time, training and an organized military. If the american advisors choose to operate the equipment on the Ukies behalf, the novo rossiyans will be more than happy to kill them.
Congratulations to the brave Ukrainian men and boys who held off the Russian army almost a week past the signing of the Minsk II cease fire treaty. Given the cease fire was to start a couple days after the signing, Putin gave the order to take the strategic town before the start of the cease fire but they held on, the rebels telling OSCE to fuk off and stay away. The town didn't sound surrounded on Sunday but liars seem to get away with everything.
Hurrah the dead patriots!?
Fucking retards like you are the ones keep fueling this conflict. Why dont you grab a gun and go be a hurrah-patriot in Debaltsevo yourself?
Don't bother, our 47-weeker here who's been "reading ZH for three years" according to his bio (u mad bro?) is likely a DHS-shill. Just point, laugh, and downvote.
"Why dont you grab a gun and go be a hurrah-patriot in Debaltsevo yourself?"
Because he is not just a retard, he's a Koch-bros paid blogging worm who is pissing his pants as we type...
Ukie clowns like Sodamnmad are typical of chickenhawks, hiding behind a keyboard instead of joining his Ukie pro US losers on the battlefield.
@SoDamnMad Well ~ You'll be pleased to know that TOTO made it through OK.
What a dick . . . .
sore loser. Obama and his dualie zionist handlers and owners have hopefully learned (again) -don't fuck with Putin. He's the real deal. He's backed by a strong and resolute Russian people who know they are right and know they are under assault from the forces of darkness who are seeking yet another major world conflict.
The purpose of patriotism is not to give your life for your country but to make sure the other guy does so for his. There is no purpose to fight for a lost battle. So you die, then what? Your mother loses a son, your wife a husband and your children a father. For what? For some politician's or commander's wet dream of glory? Fuck that.
hasbara, hasbara, where have you been?
so long has this thread has been open and nary a peep
from the habara haters and other paid creeps
but finally you rise and a post you emit
some keytrokes for pay you litle shit?
let those down arrows bounce off your thick skin
as you support nazis with a drool and a grin
chutzpah is the name
but your posts sound weak and lame
so you have to up your game
so off to hasbara U to update your skills
then return and give us more thrills
So the ukie soldiers along with their NATO "advisors" (blackwater/academi/CIA) get to live to fight another day. It would have been too embarrassing to have had those advisors captured alive and hear that northeastern U.S. accent again, explaining what they were doing there.
"Get outta my face!" "Out of my face!"
-Criminal Psychopath Pure Evil US Scum Fuck Merc.
I would be very surprised if any captured "advisors" live to tell their stories to their grandchildren. The only people they will be telling stories to will be DNR interrogators, just before they take their last breaths.
OT
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Ha!
So god damn sad :`( not that the rebels are holding their own, but that this war is happening at all. I wonder if Nuland considered there would be a war for the US's meddling, or they could just install their little junta and rob the country blind.
She deserves the gallows for her treason -No more Israeli Firster dualies in the US Gov - they already dominate and control both parties, supported by their media and bankster masters.
These people do not have dual loyalties. That is a canard. They truly have single undivided loyalty.
Short answer is: Yes! For the Left-Warhawks and Right-NeoCons it's all about starting WW3 with Russia. They are using the 'ol "throw spaghetti on the wall" tactic; eventually something will stick.
NeoLiberals, NeoCons, they are fundamentally the same shit, just from different piles.
ZioLiberals and ZioCons are from the same pile of shit.
Neoliberalism + Neoconservatism = Neocolonialism
Next step:
The Ukies start shooting their own soldiers that refuse to fight
or
This artificial war is over
Start shooting? They've been shooting their own since Slavyansk in May/June last year if they refused orders to attack separatist positions or civilian areas. The Right Sector and Kolomoiskys goons have been using force against unwilling recruits/draftees for a long time.
I was not aware that they had already started killing any recruits that refused to fight.
http://rt.com/news/229739-ukraine-army-shoot-defectors/
A few choice excerpts . . . it seems that slaves only make good soldiers if they're more scared of you than the enemy. Given the NAF track record, I'd take my chance with fragging my local Neo-Nazi commissar if I was a poor Ukie conscript.
Ukraine’s parliament voted on Thursday with 260 MPs in favor - only 226 votes were needed to pass the law. The new article 22(1) added to the charter regulating service in the armed forces of Ukraine states that commanders “have the right to personally use physical force, special means, and weapons when in combat” against soldiers who commit “criminal acts.”
Under criminal acts the law lists “disobedience, resistance or threat to use force against the commander, voluntary abandonment of military positions and certain locations of military units in areas of combat missions.”
Link is dead but thanks for info
The Pravy Sektor heroes for a second line behind the conscripted front line troops. The Pravy Sektor leaders are also consolidating what remains of their hardcore into a force totally outside of government control. There used to be a scam - pay $1000 (or whatever) to escape the draft, now it is 'join Pravy Sektor and you won't have to go to the front'
I hope the Uki soldiers shoot their commanding officers in the back !
Lets see photos of the mercenaries . Line'em up with ID's showing...
Unless they are to be traded for RF Speznaz.
Vlad would be remiss if he discovered US forces had snuck in then not introduced his own. Fair is fair.
There may be a silent exchange if this is the case.
Otherwise, no, they should show the captured IDs and personnel.
Maybe now Ukrainian far right militias can also call in US airstrikes for backup....various Syrian rebels can! Just make sure those airstrikes aren't you know, misused.
Did CNN juts annex Ukraine for Russia?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqm64JX_8kE
These Ukraine Rebels you keep talking about; are those the troops loyal to the previously democratically elected government before the US State Dept. funded military coup? Since when does the US Government acknowledge unelected governments? Or do they recognise Their unelected governments?
Enslaved troops tend to do that surrendering thing quite often.
Obama Abandons Hundreds Of US Special Forces In Ukraine
According to this report, the US troops currently under rebel siege are an ad hoc group of American Special Forces belonging to the Vicenza, Italy-based 173rd Airborne Brigade, CIA Special Activities Division (SAD) troops, and elite mercenaries from the notorious US private security firm Academi (formerly known as Blackwater).
MoD knowledge of these US forces participating in the Ukrainian war, this report notes, has been longstanding since last years US Army Europe-led Rapid Trident exercise in western Ukraine that comprised over 1,300 NATO troops, and Germany’s BILD newspaper reporting that their intelligence sources estimated that over 400 Academi mercenaries were involved in this conflict too.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1839.htm
a quality source. not.
For once I actually agree with you. Whatdoesitmean is a known disinfo site.
CIA Special Activities Division (SAD) troops
They are SAD because they know they will be hung out in the wind when everything is settled.
To be fair, I haven't seen a single video from Novorussian media showing captured U.S./NATO "mercenaries." So, just maybe, they all successfully and quietly withdrew from Debaltsevo with UAF commanders prior to the cauldron closing.
I would expect the PMCs to have hightailed it asap. They get paid to kill, not to die. Any CIA/SF/NATO would have been ordered out too, in order to avoid political embarrassment for O'Bumbler. The only evidence would be those that died and the presence of specialist equipment that couldn't be evacuated.
A few days ago, prior to the fall of the cauldron, a short video appeared on YouTube and was taken down almost immediately. YouTube claimed it violated the terms of service. The video was only about 11 secs long, so I was puzzled why the haste for such a short video. It shows the badly burnt hand and arm of someone in uniform who died at Logovino, the place where the cauldron was closed. The camera focused on the wristwatch of the person's wrist. YouTube has shown long videos of badly injured/bleeding victims so I find it hard to accept the burnt hand would be the cause for the takedown. Is it the wristwatch that is significant?
http://rutube.ru/video/1089de03c61d2df534d413da69d7bbb8/
Semenchenko makes it sound like Logvinovo NR position have fallen in the night...
Anyone has any information about it? Is Logvinovo still holding in the night of 17-18?
If it is holding, the Ukr defeat is epic, if not, well, at least 20% of Debaltsevo garrison have fled north.
Logvinovo Is still holding
map for today
http://voicesevas.cdnvideo.ru/img/26698b7dec300702aa25282fb281d8b7.png
The main road near Lugvinovo has been closed for a while. Logovinovo itself lies off the the north-south road roughly midway between the two red hashed zones, firmly in Novorosian territory. There are videos of Novorossian forces on the road and in Logvinovo itself. Both are littered with destroyed Ukrainian armor and troops.
"...the next step appears clear: a referendum whether or not to join Russia, a la Crimea, with an implementation shortly thereafter."
It's not clear to me if Putin wants East Uke to become part of Russia. So far, he has favoured it becoming a self-governing part of a federalised Ukraine, which makes it different to the Crimea.
I dont think so, integrating them into the RF only deplaces the problem further west, and hardens the accountability denial procedures.
DNR/LNR should become semi-independent republics with total economical ties to the motherland.
Also I sincerily hope that cossack Hetmanshchyna satrapy comes into being on Kolomoiskis territories, that would show him what Cossacks think about chosenites.
I think you're agreeing with me. Right?
Yup
LOOK at this map from CNN
http://russian.rt.com/data/d/0/6/d062272890010b23da2c38b4d194c2162aece0c...
OK, I've looked at it. Now what?