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Hundreds Of Ukraine Troops Surrender As Besieged Town Of Debaltseve Falls To Rebels
Last week, German equities soared to record highs with the Dax surpassing 11K, not only on the imminent arrival of the ECB's Q€ which provides a risk-less bid to all asset classes, but on news that a second Ukraine ceasefire had been achieved in Minsk. Well, just like the first Minsk "ceasefire" in September, one can promptly forget the just as "successful" second one, because overnight, after a several week siege, the Ukraine town of Debaltseve finally fell to rebel forces with "troops of Ukraine’s Armed Forces laying down arms en masse,” according to Donetsk rebel official Maxim Leschenko says, cited by Tass news service.
According to Reuters government forces started pulling out of the east Ukraine town on Wednesday after a fierce assault by the rebel separatists which Europe said violated a crumbling ceasefire. President Petro Poroshenko said before flying to the town of Debaltseve that more than 80 percent of his troops in the rail hub had already left following a heavy bombardment and street-by-street fighting despite the truce that took effect on Sunday.
As previously reported, according to the pro-separatists rebels the ceasefire does not apply to Debaltseve, which links the two rebel-controlled regions of eastern Ukraine, Donetsk and Luhansk.
Bloomberg adds, that "some Ukrainian troops are leaving the town as “full scale” street fighting continues following a small tank battle, Ilya Kyva, a deputy police chief of the Donetsk region, said by phone on Wednesday. Kyva wouldn’t say how many Ukrainian soldiers had left or how many still remained surrounded by the rebels. Ukrainian Eurobonds fell to a record as fighting was also reported near the coastal city of Mariupol."
And indeed, as the following map shows, the town's critical position between the key centers of Donetsk and Luhansk, made it inevitable that as east Ukraine seeks to consolidate its territory, the small city would fall.
By now the long-running spin on both sides is well-known: Poroshenko and the West say the rebel assault is being reinforced by Russian tanks, artillery and soldiers, though Moscow denies sending forces to join the battle for a region that President Vladimir Putin has called "New Russia".
"The actions by the Russia-backed separatists in Debaltseve are a clear violation of the ceasefire," European Union foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said in Brussels, stepping up Western criticism of the rebel offensive on Debaltseve. "The EU stands ready to take appropriate action in case the fighting and other negative developments in violation of the Minsk agreements continue," she said, making an apparent threat of further economic sanctions on Moscow.
A German government spokesman said the Minsk agreement had been damaged though it made sense to try to implement it.
Putin showed no sign of backing down over Ukraine on Tuesday evening, when he urged Kiev's pro-Western leaders to let their soldiers surrender to avoid more bloodshed, adding that Ukraine troops already have access to US weapons.
Hours later, the Ukrainian troop withdrawal was under way. A Reuters witness saw weary Ukrainian troops, their faces blackened, some in columns, some in cars, arriving in Artemivsk, about 30 km (20 miles) north of Debaltseve.
"The withdrawal of forces from Debaltseve is taking place in a planned and organized way," said Semen Semenchenko, who heads the Donbass paramilitary battalion. "The enemy is trying to cut the roads and prevent the exit of the troops," he said on Facebook.
News of the withdrawal hit markets, as Ukraine CDS soared while sovereign bonds crashed, pushing the entire nation even further into pre-bankruptcy and hyperinflation limbo.
So much for the ceasefire, although now that the entire industrial heavy east Ukraine region belongs to the separatists, the next step appears clear: a referendum whether or not to join Russia, a la Crimea, with an implementation shortly thereafter. This decision will be only facilitated following Bloomberg news that Kiev has decided to halt electricity supplies to the rebel region in the east. Perhaps the only question is whether fighting continues around Mariupol which would enable Russia to have a land corridor all the way to Crimea.
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"Cease fire " in Russian is "I suurender in Ukrainian."
The Debaltseve trap worked.
Hmm, is more like Ukrainian military has no quality leadership. Those troops should have been withdrawn when the encirclement was threatened or the lifeline should have been heavily reinforced. Instead they were hung out to dry.
Or, perhaps, these troops are not aligned with the nazi factions and this was just one way of purging them.
This is what happens when your generals are politicians instead of military men. Porkyschenko only cares if he looks good, cares nothing for his pro US troops.
"Perhaps the only question is whether fighting continues around Mariupol which would enable Russia to have a land corridor all the way to Crimea."
Sorry Tylers, but there is quite a distance between Mariupol and Crimea.
It's mean that after Mariupol there aren't big cities - landscape is a field, it is very hard to defend.
Yeah, the Ukies are finding that out the hard way.
Land between Mariupol and Crimea is hard to defend and harder to occupy. I'll bet that the Russians will wait for a friendlier Ukie government rather than try to force a corridor.
yes, i think so too.
I think it depends on how the Ukes in Kiev and NATO play their hand. If they back off and get back to normalcy then yeah its a frozen conflict. If they press the issue, they will lose more territory.
It is not hard to occupy if the population is on your side and only kept quiet by the presence of Nazi thugs.
Now the brave forces of Novorossiya need to go all the way to Kiev and execute all the US and EU sponsored Banderist Nazis and send them all to Hell!!!
An anagram of
Debaltseveis DebtSlavee
How about eDebtSlave. Has a more "digital" ring to it. Get with the program.
I was actually thinking about that - but I get the sense eastern Europe is still a bit more 'analog'....LOL
Separatists are winning. Let's face it. I tried to explain to my brother the other day that the US might just be the "bad guy" in the Ukraine and elsewhere. He refused to believe it or even consider it.
That's the problem with people in the US today. They are brainwashed by the likes of Brian Williams and bone-smoker Scott Pelley to believe that America can do no wrong, anywhere, at any time.
Just for a minute, I wish Americans would look at our military interventions and misadventures from the point of view of the nations and people we are invading, destroying.
But, I also wish for skittles-eating unicorns to shit gold bars on my doorstep every morning.
To say that America is the world's bad actor - anyplace but here on ZH - may be the truth, but it's politically and socially unacceptable and probably would get you a one-way ticket to Gitmo or Somalia if you insist on thinking that way.
We, the people of the United States of America who still can think for ourselves, are now extremists and soon to be labeled terrorists.
Pretty fucking sad state of affairs, I say, and I see no good end to any of it.
If you're not of the GTFO camp, you must prepare and move to a rural locale if you plan to survive, and even the most rural locales are being overrun by rule-makers and money-takers, otherwise known as local governments with myriad rules and regulations by which you must abide.
Buh-bye, USA. It was a nice run, but, seriously, it's fucking over.
Give your brother Smedley Butler's book, War is a Racket. It will help him see the pattern.
Any of these are great follow ups.
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aanthony%20sutton
Agree
"Ukraine A History" Orest Subtelny
best book for English readers
author is of historical Ukraine ancestory
Thanks for that.
"The Law" Frederick Bastiat
"The Law" Frederick Bastiat
It will take a total and complete collapse for the dumbfuck americans to wake up. It will, of course, be too late by then.
Americans have become so lazy, narcissistic, and ethnocentric that they are COMPLETELY oblivious to the absolute gutting of our country by the elite.
We will pay dearly for our ignorance....
The USA bombs, tortures, burns its way around the world, handing the booty to its corporate pirates, but people like your bro wear their ignorance like a shield. Americans will not lift a fat finger till THEIR backs are against the wall, and then of course it'll be too late.....
Sadly, you are right. It is WAY over. I got my bugout spot, but what is my 9 year old going to do? Grow up in the deep woods. They will just eventually come down on us in force in our remote location.
Once you do the logic, you see this route is doomed.
Only other route is Revolution. How many ZH's do you think their really are?
Prosperity - Posterity ?
It aint over, its just starting....Just dont give up.
The destroyers will not rebuild, the goal is the other side. If you give up who will rebuild under the rule of law ?
When reality sets in at your brothers house, who will bring him up to speed ?
BTW - Study the RP 08 run.........Dont give up !!!!!
We are winning
Strategy of NATO to koncentrate some 50% assault force in Debalcevo turtle shape ( cirkle konnekted with narrow nek to Ukraine) was to lead massive attack on rebels toward Russian border and kut Lugansk and Donetsk from each other. NATO basikaly ignored fact from last autumn that rebels were able attack end defeat overforce. This strategy of NATO ( military advisors in Kiyev and volunteers on front ) was destined to fail due rebels prepared for this plan.
Aktualy, NATO should pull out from Debaltsevo after Minsk I to shorten front line and prevent kreation of kaldron.
West Point ain't no produce geniuses, for sure.
"No plan survives contact with the enemy." -von Moltke
"Everybody has a plan . . . until they get punched in the face." -Mike Tyson
Fall of Debaltseve is a punch in the face for the USSA advisors controlling their pro USA troops. The US millitary is used to beating down lightly armed illiterate rag heads with full air supremacy, not hardened miners, steelworkers and ex military armed with old but reliable soviet heavy weaponry.
"The Russians saddle their horses slowly, but ride fast"
-Otto von Bismarck-
Advancement in the US military has nothing to do with military skills. If you want to be a US general, you have to know the right asses to kiss. No different than getting promoted in corporate America.
The alternative route is to have family connections. For example:
McCain went to Annapolis because his father and grandfather were both admirals. He graduated next to last in his class and somehow became a navy pilot. I'm sure the brass saw something in him that his record didn't show. Did I mention that dad and granddad were both admirals? If a US pilot destroys 5 planes in combat he is considered an "Ace Pilot." McCain went on to destroy 5 military aircraft, but due to a technicality, was prevented from being awarded Ace Pilot status since all 5 planes were US Navy aircraft. Did I mention that his dad and granddad were both admirals?
Douglas MacArthur graduated at the top of his class at West Point and set an academic record. Did I mention that his father was a general at the time? After graduating, he went to fight in World War One, and received the medal of honor after being there only about 10 days. Did I mention that his father was a general at the time?
What success the US has had at war was due to its immense manufacturing strength. Namely, the US factories were able to build planes, ships, and tanks faster than the clowns at the Pentagon could get them blown up.
But that was in the past. The US officer corps is still comprised of incompetent ass-kissing politicians and fools, but the manufacturing base was gutted in favor of enhanced bonuses for corporate CEOs. The future doesn't look so good for the empire.
The middle McCain also orchestrated the USS Liberty cover-up and subsequent silencing of the survivors. Apple didn't fall far frm the tree in this instance.
To Caleb Abell: I tried to up-vote on your commnt. I've read in ZH that if you place a comment first, then the voting mechanism is dis-abled. Perhaps you can imbed your commet after the first sentence or so.
he qualify as NVAF ace if think about it...
From what I read Mc Cain crashed those pLanes because he was too afraid to go fast enough to keep the plane from going into stall
He Also ratted out his mates while in captivity
I am not sure yet if you are a pro Moscow troll or a pro Kiev troll cause I don't understand your English.
Strelkov pulled his forces out of Slovyiansk in June/July 2014 for precisely that reason. That saved some of the most experienced Novorossian troops and dramatically reduced supply lines. The troops were then free to trap the Ukraine forces in the cauldron near the Russian border. It was all downhill for the Ukrainians from then onwards. The only thing they can do well is to bombard civilians and destroy infrastructure (sounds familiar).
I love the smell of ceasefire in the morning.
Looks to me like the ruskies and the jihadists are just taking what they want, to hell with bankers and Obola. This could get very intresting.
Gotta love rootin' tootin' Pootin. I can't wait to see the US bite off more than they can chew, and I'm American!
Fuck the NWO.
As Churkin said Lithuanian ambassador to UN: "What's the matter were the line is if we are talking about united Ukraine in near future. If you talk about draw state line on this line let's talk about it and not waste time." On ambassador's question where rebels get weapons Churkin said: "Lithuania is only NATO country which openly admits that is sending weapons to Ukraine. (Britain is another one ). You can be surprised where those weapons ends."
West strictly ignore Ukrainian oligarchs and their wealth. Hidden behind is conflict between oligarchs as Rinat Akhmetov ( king of Donbass) and Kolomoyskiy who pour money into fire.
Plotnitskiy today said: "We do not rule out that LPR and DPR can be part of Ukraine. It all depend how Ukraine will looks like. Today it is impossible."
Events in Ukraine since the last february can be characterized as chain of bad decisions which bring Ukraine on the edge of the End of Ukraine as it was before.
The Ukraine never existed as a country in the first instance. It was an amalgam of regions slammed together by soviet bureaucrats.
But at the very begining are Northern crusades of Teutonic knights. They corupted tribe leaders to stand bro against bro. Even Poland was never so far west as is today. In times of crusades Poles lived in this days Ukraine.
I really don't know what you're talking about. Teutonic knights?? In this area? Funny. It was Masurian and Pomerania since 2nd half of XIII century. Not in this area. Till 1920 there're was never such countrly like Ukraine (even the name in polish means - "next to the border"). Unfortunatelly this country has ben conquered by bolsheviks during invasion on Poland. In 1991 when Soviet Union crashed, they just proclamed independence in the border of former ukrainian FSSR. Doesn't mean that most of the areas now in Ukraine should be there. Especially that this country doesn't feel responsible for the people living there. This war is just war of oligarchs. Nothing else...
Most of the eastern territory of present day Germany and Austria was populated by Slavic tribes 10 centuries ago. There is still a Slavic Sorbian minority living in eastern Germany.
dup
not to be confused with Swabian
of which I am part
Ukraine has never been a sovereign nation.
My, now they're even quoting the hysterical claims of Semen Semenchenko, the Nazi battalion leader! And we're suposed to take that seriously? How crazy is this getting?
Great for the American grandpas who fought the Nazis in WW2! Talk about betrayal...
Yup, that sums it up. All you folks whose grandparents etc died fighting the Nazis in WWII - well it was for nothing, because the US and Nazis are on the same side now.
How it works? I watched interview of commander of Azov/Aidar or Donbass private battalion ( sorry I can't remember details, but no matter ) who said he get offer $20 millions to give up Peski to rebels ( from Peski Ukie force fired on Donetsk ). So we will never know, until someone will write book about this event, but is clear that money talks there. And there is too many pro-russian or pro-rebels in Ukrainian military who give up weapons for money and go to Russia. Accusing Russia to provide weapons to rebels, not talk about kalasnikovs but tanks and howitzers with amo, has very weak point: There is OSCE on ground in Russia and Ukraine and they no once said Russia is doing so. Actualy trust is lost due presentation of Social Media Inteligence Agency evidence which no one times showed to be truth.
I am not rulling out that Russia is providing weapons but they do it in the way that they were not catch. And there is proof that there is trade of weapons inside Ukraine. Just few months ago there was scandal in Ukraine that management of repair plant for heavy weapons sold parts worth $ 800 thousands which end in management pockets. Closest destination is Donbass.
There are lots of weapons left over from USSR days. The only arms I'm pretty sure NovoRus got from Russia are the counter battery radars, once the west announced it was sending theirs to help Kiev.
Flag of Novrossia raised in Debaltsevo,
http://novorossia.today/flag-of-novorossia-has-been-hoisted-above-debalt...
Excellent.
One small step for a man, one giant step for mankind.
The zio's are going to be going cage ass crazy. Have to be out slaughtering a few hundred pali's or something.
On MSM, I keep seeing this conflict referred to as Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine? I thought there was a US/EU-backed coup and the "Rebels" were trying to take their country back. Since most of the people in this country see themselves as Russians, doesn't it make sense that they would turn to Russia for support, especially considering the US/EU is doing everything they can to destroy them in their fight to get their country back? And how did Russia get blamed? Because they are against NATO expanding into Eastern Europe while the US executes a "pivot" to the East and Pacific Rim, in an attempt to surround Russia. All the while, the US is pushing economic warfare upon Russia while promoting anti-Russian propaganda and anti-Putin rhetoric in the Main Stream Media.
Based upon what I've seen/read, this seems to be what's going on, but I can't trust anything I've seen/read.
Oh well, I guess I should just keep on keeping on.
You made the mistake of letting reality get in the way of the Pressitute's propoganda
If you invert everything you read/see in the MSM, you are not far from reality.
With news like this, it's no wonder the BATFE is moving to ban M855 and no wonder the DOJ is attemping to "choke" gun and ammo dealers.
Fat Fuck Petro($) Poroshenko will soon lose his masters' support and must time his exit from Ukraine carefully as the Nazis will be looking to string up scapegoats. Couldn't happen to a more stinking piece of shit.
Am genuinely overwhelmed by those brave separatists' victories, there's a tear in my eye and a lump in my throat. I am also sure TacoBellend, FleaDumb123, Excrement and the other fuckwits would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the Freedom Fighters.
NO PRISONERS is the cry.
Has no one from the illuminati ever played risk? Right now the west should be fortifying Austrailia and New Zealand. Capture Venezula, and mass on a weak Brazil and Argintinea. Then just be satisfied to take all the tribute every time the world turns. A land war in Asia, madness. Thinkaboot it!
Key to the USSA globalist strategy for world domination is control of Asia, as per MacKinder Geopolitical Doctrine.
and I am sure he never won a game of risk in his life. I have never read MacKinder but it sound very Anglo Saxon thinking to me. The days of the City running the world are over. The USSA would be well advised to make the best America and rule that way.
The Ukie troops have retreated to Kiev for a victory parade and medals presentation and are being led by Brian Williams while he is working on a cancer cure and a solution to world hunger while translating the Library of Congress into Chinese...This guy is amazing, I tell ya!....
Thats why giving $18 Billion to Ukraine is IMF smart, but nothing for Greece is prudent!
Is it too much to ask that someone holds down those twin fuck wits pyatt and nuland whilst someone shits in their gaping mouths as they scream in pain and frustration.
I just ant the pleasure of seeing it
Dang! Why didn't I think of that?
As usual, ZH has it backwards.
The "rebels" are the good guys.
The Ukraine army the bad guys.
The Jewish elite wants WWIII at any cost.
Great news! I hope McCain craps in his diaper.
This to me is all the evidence required to indicate that the collapse of the U.S. Empirical hegemony is upon us and I would expect the economic failure any day now
Very dangerous times. The last thing the USA was any good at was wars of conquest and fermentation of chaos. If they're being stymied in that, who knows what they'll resort to.
The DNR prime minister was shot and wounded while inspecting DNR troops on Debaltsevo frontline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5c8_kTKgFA
It looks like he is OK. That's morale boost for his soldiers.
He took a bullet/shrapnel in the ankle.
There's a guy that leads from the front, not cowering in some bunker somewhere.
So much for 'regime change' in Russia. Nuland needs to fuck the EU a little more imaginatively, noisy obnoxious cowgirl ain't working. Perhaps she should try tantric massage?
leave cows out of this
cows are pleasant
Cookies didn't do much. Me she should switch to donuts
From what I have read this article has some facts wrong. None or very few Ukrainian troops escaped from Debaltseve. I am pretty sure Petro Poroshenko would not have been up to visiting an active fire fight that he would have had to fly into as the place was completely encircled. As with all information that comes out of Kiev, MH17, Photos of Russian tanks, it is pure bullshit.
we don't know yet lots of stories getting passed and convuluted, enbellished, etc.
but some surrended is confirmed
other much unconfirmed that some tried escape during night and very shot up
our connect Crimea is still try get facts
Mariupol by Easter. Kharkov by May Day
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-sperling/putin-female-fans-shirtless_b_6664240.html?ncid=newsltushpmg00000003
How many gorgeous blondes are having car washes on behalf of Obomber?
It warms the cockles of my black heart to see working class miners and blue collar workers kick the snot out of Neo Nazis and Jewish oligarchs
Has any major state army been this inept at war against their own citizens?
Feb 23 is 1 year anniversary of Yanukhovich's ouster. Will we see it again with Chocula Walzman and that ferret faced puke Yat the Rat?