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A Moral Code For The Post-Collapse World
Submitted by Brandon Smith via Alt-Market.com,
Popular media today, including television and cinema, are rife with examples of what is often referred to as moral relativism — the use of false and fictional moral dilemmas designed to promote the rationalization of an “ends justify the means” narrative. We are also bombarded lately with entertainment depicting an endless array of “anti-heroes,” protagonists who have little to no moral code fighting antagonists who are even more evil, thus vindicating the otherwise disgusting actions of the heroes. From “24” to “Breaking Bad” to “The Walking Dead,” American minds are being saturated with propaganda selling the idea that crisis situations require a survivor to abandon conscience. In other words, in order to defeat monsters, you must become a monster.
This theme is not only unavoidable in film and TV, but also in military journals, politics, and even within liberty movement discussion.
What I see developing is an extremely dangerous philosophy that rests on the foundation that victory (or survival) is the paramount virtue and that it should be attained at any cost. Moral compass becomes a “luxury” that “true” apex survivors cannot afford, an obstacle that could eventually get one killed. I have heard some survivalists and liberty proponents in anger over the trespasses of the corrupt establishment suggest a strict adherence to the eye-for-an-eye ideology, up to and including torture, harming of the enemy’s families, and even harming the children of those who would harm us.
There is also a small but ingrained subculture within spheres of survivalism that embraces the strategy of the “prepper pirate,” essentially planning their subsistence around the idea of taking what they need from others as a form of evolutionary realism. They believe that the “survival of the fittest” is more important than the survival of the principled.
In mainstream yuppie culture, this attitude would be labeled insane. Yet urban and suburban television addicts often cheer the concept of the ends justifying the means in their favorite prime time shows and consistently argue for morality stretching policies within government (as long as their “team” is in control of the football in Washington, D.C.). I have little doubt they would adopt such thinking in the event that disaster does strike and they find themselves unprepared amid desperate conditions.
In “Understanding The Fear Of Self-Defense And Revolution,” I discussed the inevitability of self-defense against criminal oligarchy and why common methods of pacifist activism are dangerously inadequate in the face of psychopathic tyranny. When self-defense or revolution is initiated, though, the movement does not necessarily fight only for its own benefit; nor does it fight simply to eliminate the threat. Our survival as individuals is not the primary concern; the survival of the principles and truths that drive us to fight is the ultimate goal. If there is such a thing as the “greater good,” truth and honor must be the apex of that vision.
If we cast aside our principles in the name of victory, then, ironically, we have still lost everything. Our war is fought on multiple levels, from the physical to the spiritual. Lose the spiritual war, lose sight of one’s conscience, and the physical war becomes meaningless.
I believe the formation of a liberty movement code, a kind of warrior’s code, is absolutely vital to our future. Without a new kind of oath, an oath not only to the Constitution but to our own internal values, the temptation to use our darker natures against the enemy during greater trials of the soul may be too much to bear. While conscience is an inborn gift, it sometimes requires a more outward affirmation in order to remain strong. Here are some elements I believe should make up the foundation of our code.
Defense Of The Innocent
We will do everything within our power whenever possible to ensure the safety and liberty of those people around us caught in the currents of collapse. Some might claim that the unprepared are not “innocent” because their lack of vigilance contributes to the decay of our society. I would say that while the ignorant are a danger to us and themselves, we would also be contributing to the decay of our society by refusing to help others when we have the ability to do so. Someone somewhere has to end the cycle. And if that requires us to sacrifice some of our energy and the satisfaction of saying “we told you so,” then this is what we must do.
I would also point out that the defense of the innocent does not begin when our economic and social structures end. We help them now, by offering them the knowledge to prepare and organize for mutual aid. We go to our town centers, to local churches, to our lecture halls; and we openly educate those who are willing to listen — not to preach politics or to indoctrinate, but to offer practical knowledge. We give them useful tools through neighborhood watch programs and Community Preparedness Teams. We teach them today how to defend themselves, their families and their property and how to invest in survival, so that tomorrow they will not feel compelled to become part of the problem, but part of the solution.
If we let our distaste for the unaware lead us into an attitude of “us versus them” against our own neighbors, then we will miss every chance to strengthen our communities. Our purpose is to bring others up, not to stand in pious judgment as they fall down.
We Prepare To Offer Aid, Even To Those We Think Might Not Deserve It
Many survivalists and preppers may scoff at this idea, but they would not be looking at the bigger picture. Offering aid to your community serves not only to help them, but to help you in the long run. Look at it this way; when FEMA arrives in a disaster-struck city or county, its “authority” means little to the shell-shocked citizenry. What does matter to them is that FEMA brings food, water and sometimes shelter. FEMA does this in its own sweet time and often allows numerous people to die before the aid is given, but it still maintains its authority over a region simply because there is no other alternative.
You must offer that alternative.
Imagine what would have happened if during the nightmare of Hurricane Katrina, while FEMA was lounging around watching the carnage and even denying access to private institutions offering supplies, New Orleans residents were greeted with liberty movement teams defying government mandate? What if liberty advocates from across Louisiana and the nation had marched right over the top of FEMA, escorted those trapped in the Superdome to a safe place, and gave them food and water? The movement raised millions of dollars for Ron Paul’s campaign (twice!), why couldn’t we do the same to save lives?
Imagine if we were to prove that FEMA is an unnecessary and frivolous organization ready for the dustbin? Imagine if we were to prove that communities can provide their own security and aid without the state, as Oath Keepers did in Ferguson, Missouri?
Even at a local level, this methodology could mean the difference between freedom and tyranny. Stockpiles of grain bought directly from independent farms can be had for very little money and strategically placed for use in future calamities. Affordable water filtration could prevent disease and dehydration for thousands. A team of engineers could solve waste and grid-down dilemmas. A team of well-trained security personnel could prevent looting, rape and murder. Imagine if the catastrophe the elites wish to engineer was mitigated or thwarted by the very people the disaster was meant to target? Imagine how much satisfaction that would give you.
Our Actions Are Inspired By Conscience, Not Rage
To fight in self-defense is entirely moral, but there are lines that, if crossed, destroy our moral high ground. Without the moral high ground, we become no better than the elites we seek to remove from our lives. This means that we do not harm people unless they are attempting to harm us. We punish criminals, not their families and not their children. We do not torture, not only because it is a useless tactic with little concrete proof of effectiveness, but because it is a morally reprehensible psychopathic act designed to fulfill a sick desire for sadistic power. It is not who we are.
When we fight, we fight in the knowledge that we have first and foremost protected our moral foundation. We see those who promote moral ambiguity and moral relativism as an element destructive to the purpose of liberty. Winning means nothing and survival means nothing, unless we endeavor to deserve life.
We Do Not Run Unless We Plan To Return
In an asymmetric revolution, there is rarely such a thing as a “front line” or a piece of ground that must be defended at all costs. That said, successful asymmetric warfare requires that the enemy pay an overwhelming price for every attack he initiates. This means that said revolt must always be aggressive, never relenting, always striking, and resting or retreating only to stage a more effective counter. Every time a totalitarian system advances without consequence, it generates political, social, psychological and tactical momentum. Without the courage to engage such advances, revolt is impossible. Fear leads to moral rationalizations. The fearful cannot adequately defend themselves, let alone defend others; and, once again, the moral high ground is lost.
Zero Tolerance For Piracy And Criminality Within
Prepper pirates and others on the very fringes of the survival movement who seek to thrive at the expense of others are not only criminal according to natural law, but they are also a blight on the reputation of the liberty movement itself. Our principles will require us to stamp out such people as a priority. Those who would viciously impose upon the innocent as a preplanned strategy are not redeemable. Even if they claim to hate the same elites we fight against, the enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend. Prepper pirates are rabid dogs who should be put down.
We Are Professionals, And Guardians Never Satisfied With Half Measures
We carry ourselves as quiet professionals. We strive to represent the best potential of what the liberty movement has to offer. There is no problem we cannot solve and no opponent too large. We do not know the meaning of the word “impossible.” We operate best under pressure and during disaster. We move to disrupt crisis before it begins when possible, and we refuse to stand back as spectators when crisis does develop. We work diligently to master all knowledge and training that could be used to achieve our goal, which is a free, prosperous and independent citizenry. We do not seek leadership over others; we only wish to teach others how to lead themselves. We will not stop until this goal is accomplished or until we are no longer breathing. We are not mutable or flexible where tyranny is concerned. We are entirely uncompromising. We are stubborn bastards, here to drive oligarchs even crazier than they already are. We are here to undo them and their treacherous world. And in this mission, we find ultimate comfort and peace.
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Ball kills 'em all.
I consider anyone who initiates aggression as fair game. Reciprocate in kind.
"We Prepare To Offer Aid, Even To Those We Think Might Not Deserve It"
Um, no.
Maybe offer aid in exchange for work, but free shit, no.
Here's an example of those who don't deserve any help...the scum in an Oregon liberal arts college who investigated and harrassed a student and ultimately limited his freedom on campus because he "resembled" a rapist:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/398852/harvard-law-prof-student-ba...
Yeah, WTF?
Brandon Smith's ignorance of human history is only exceeded by his detachment from reality.
Which one of the pussified, Pajama Boy Tyler's posted this shit?
"To fight in self-defense is entirely moral, but there are lines that, if crossed, destroy our moral high ground. Without the moral high ground, we become no better than the elites we seek to remove from our lives."
The people who taught me violence of action encouraged me to only use it in self defense ... but they were equally clear that if violence was initiated it was to be used to an overwelming degree to maim or kill my opponent(s) so they could no longer use violence to pursue their goals.
Moral Code for a Post Collapse World: Be as invisible as possible at all times and in all circumstances.
There will be no "collapse" as these preppers and survivalists understand the term. More than likely there will be a slow decent that won't ever decend far enough to motivate people to take action. Like an asymptote never quite crossing the axis.
this 'new code' should be based around something to avoid the pernicious recurrence that derails 9 out of 10 'revolutions' - that of the revolution being hijacked immediately after victory by a self serving minority posing as revolutionaries for the people.
There's a very basic rule : irrespective of the brutality of a deposed regime, the revolution cannot permit those who have been excessively ruthless to be the interim leaders of the revolution. Excess = disqualification.
We did that here and got zero press. So much the better; fuck all the libtard cocksuckers. Search "Nashville flood 2010"
a gentle and sweet guy, who lives next to my 95 year old mother-in-law in a rural town in up state new york, helps her now and again with chores and shopping and works for the local volunteer fire department. the other day he handed her his "business" card with his phone number, for better communication between the two. the card read the logo of the local fire department and HOMELAND SECURITY. HS has infiltrated local politics through fire departments all over the country using grants for equipment. they have assumed police power with the same technique in local police departments and state police forces, using surplus military equipment and creating liasons such as "fusion centers" throughout states. every month thirty cars park at my local fire station in my town pop. 1000 and meet for two hours. they haven't put out a fire in two years. nice buffy fire engine and ambulance and a fire house which rivals the nicest house in town. try to reveal the conspiracy during an enlightened conversation with a neighbor. yeah, right. the enemy isn't the lust for power and dominion cloaked like the geo-engineered snow fallen around us. it is cognitive dissonance. that need in human nature to be safe within the group of like minds. mankind is a genetically modified sheep. fema is here to crop the fleece. and the sound of bleeting fills the air and drives a libertarian mind mad...
That's why I can find encouragement in what happened in 2010. There wasn't much bleating. Mostly neighbors helping neighbors when it was needed; before the feds were even aware of it.
Agreed. It would be easier if the self-serving minority were zombies then we could just follow the "Walking Dead" code.
The piece that I've really noticed in the past few years is the glorification of the "female warrior". Women are now validated for the exact same activities as men. The more people a woman can kill, the better a person she is. We have lost all touch with any ideal that does not involve warfare. No longer do you fight so you can go home to a peaceful haven; now both you and your mate fight. The fighting IS your lives. If this is what the world is going to be about (whoever wins), humanity has lost.
You're confusing the last century of over-affluence and comfort with how most societies actually were for millenia. The idea of fighting a little bit and then going home to comfort is the idea of an empire in its last days (i.e. Rome, USA).
What you're seeing in the controlled media is neo-feminism. It is used to forward the false idea that there is no difference between men and women. You also see the de-masculination of men in that same media. Everyday men are shown as adolescent weak morons who always go along with their smarter & more moral wives. The 'strong' males are cartoon-like action figures who fight without thinking, whatever 'enemies' are designated by their masters.
Does anybody seriously believe this difference in the way 'men' are portrayed in mass media is an accident ?
General George Washington had a standing order that any American soldier committing acts of torture of the enemy would be arrested and executed. He knew the wisdom of not surrendering the moral high ground.
moved
I like this article, if for no other reason, someone is talking about morals, and that moral behavior is neccessary to be human.
Yes, in case it has somehow escaped notice, this is a spiritual battle we're in. It's being played out on (what appears to be) a material plane. The only thing is to follow the truth with all your heart. Slave to Allah and all that. Devotion to the Guru. Christ consciousness. Obeying the LAW.
escaping progress :
there is already places in the world you have to act like walking dead to exist, if you offer goods and open your arms, all you got is backstab_fist_fuck_beheading.
local population like tribes are fine, but cosmopolite locations with many cultures do not offer the clear vision of the peace and love from the 60'....
you forget that every 15 years a generation of ppl are strong enough to carry and use weapons, act like barbarians, kill for free for sensations...
when your civilization use double handbrake to linearize I.Q of people to maintain the idea of equality and balance between humans ( which is total BS to me ) that leeds to make next gen of ppl dumbfuck on smartphones who do not know counting additions without calculator, no ability to think by themselves [for the rich countries] and total barbarian strugle for life canibalism for the poor population.
if you are less than 50 years, when old you will have to deal with barbarian's sons of barbarians's sons of today barbarians.... do you need a picture to explain the rest of the evolution of the situation ?
a 30 years old prepper will have to deal at the age of 60 years with 2 generations of full retards who are not even born in the ACTUAL world model.... do you have an idea of what the world gonna be past 2020 ?
im not sure, but all i can say, it mathematicly cannot be as good as now, from this point, i do not spit on preppers, but i seriously understand what they are doing and they have my support.
He seems to have a better grasp of the situation than you do. Violence of action against an aggressor is fine, but what about violence against the aggressor's family, or children? Can anyone say "ISIS"? Don't be a chump. Don't be like ISIS when the SHTF. And being "invisible" may not be possible if you want to make any difference whatsoever for the future. Sometimes you have to stick your neck out instead of hiding like a bitch in your little hidey hole waiting for the storm to pass. One day you'll walk out of the mountains and find a new world order in place of the country you knew, and then what? Back to your hidey hole in the hopes that you'll never be found?
Here's the thing. These f'ers will live among us, and their families will become targets. They have to eat food that we produce. They won't be isolated from an enemy in camps like they would be overseas. It will be ugly.
My moral code post collapse: "open season on all whitey's" only way for sure to get all dual citizens and chosenites out of the way for good! i cant really tell you muh fukas apart maybe.......nose sizes???
Hmmm no. History is written by victors.
Hmmm, no. History remembers brutality, whether by the victors or otherwise. Do people today think that the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII was a great idea? No, most do not. Truth has a tendancy to find the light of day, and brutality is often uncovered for what it is. How do you want to be remembered?
If you are citing the internment of US citizens (of Japanese descent) citizens during WWII.. you are citing the victor's history -- which was programmed into the sheeple masses to bury certain other brutalities.
Are you saying internment of Japanese-American citizens did not occur? Or that you agree with their internment? Also, the only reason you would know about certain "other brutalities" is because history is not written by the victors. The truth has a way of getting out. Beyond that, you as an individual and likely many others would always know what atrocities you committed even if the "victors" try to cover it up. The argument is a childish one.
I got a half-nip retard of relative who has been programmed like you. To cite the internments in America during WW2 as "brutalities" implies you lack perspective. I can forgive the relative, after all he's kin - but given that he has heard the oral history from relatives interred in American, German, and Japanese camps and still "thinks" the way he does, if he wasn't kin- he might have been smacked upside the head in an effort to deprogram the nihilist ethical objectivism and false moral absolutism that he was programmed by the State with.
Jesus Christ was a martyr, not to emulated in all ways.
So then you agree with the forced internment of U.S. citizens, or only the "nip" citizens?
It was a choice, perhaps not the optimal choice, but it was not an indefensible or wrong choice, unlike the Japanese "internment" of American civilians in the Philippines.
What was a choice? Forcing human beings into internment camps? Yes, that is indeed a choice, but one that goes against personal liberty. If the nazis and the imperial japanese do it, then we should do it too?
Presupposing an equivocation fallacy to advance a fallacious argument of moral relativism???
Two can play that game. Wake me up if and when the bulk of worthless slant eyes interred are liquidated to achieve national ambitions, until then their whining asses should supplicate themselves and sing praises to the beneficient US government for the Holiday Inn Express existence afforded them.
So then you are okay with being ripped from your life and imprisoned against your will, even when innocent of any wrongdoing, as long as it's in a Holiday Inn Express? Or you are saying that other people should be okay with it, especially the "slant eyed" ones?
Why would you suggest two wrongs make a right? The issue is whether one needs to be "right" in order to win (obviously not) and what sort of framework of legitimation the victors install. Given the AntiChrist/Statist victories to date... it's amazing that they continue to win, given the ever shrinking pool of resources which retains the knowledge and skills necesary to win, unless they are actually correct and the ends necessarily justify the means.
I didn't suggest that, I asked if that is what YOU were suggesting, because that's what it sounds like. Also, what is your definition of "winning"? If we win by throwing our morals out the window and committing horrible acts, do we actually "win", or have we only made ourselves into the psychopaths we were trying to get rid of? Are you suggesting that this is the only way to "win"?
I'm simply suggesting the world is not black and white. Morals should guide individual behavior, not dictate it.
Maybe the right choice is not always the clear one, but there is such a thing as right and wrong. The banksters would like you to think otherwise, which is why we have moral relativism shoved down our throats in multiple ways everyday. And if conscience isn't dictating your behavior then something else is. Maybe its selfishness, or manipulation, or anger. Logic has the downside of being vulnerable to our biases. Anything can be made to sound "logical" given the right flowery language and backwards mathematics, but our conscience is always there nagging at us. We can ignore it, but let's not pretend we are doing it because we are "logical".
The problem is that the State preaches situational moral absolutism right alongside situational moral relativism in its Church, while no longer teaching reason, so the unreasoned mind is Play-Doh to be manipulated at the will of those who seek to do evil.
I would say that the state promotes moral ambiguity in the name of reason more than it promotes absolutism. The problem with pure rationalism is that anything can be rationalized given enough bias. That's why the elite want a scientific dictatorship. Evil fears conscience because it is the only absolute. It comes from the soul, it is not taught to us, meaning evil cannot change it, they can only fool us into ignoring it.
Anything can justified through reason and rhetoric, but without reason, anything can also be justified. Your defintion of freedom and morality is dependent upon your reading of dogma and canonical texts. In a vacuum it is no more valid than ISIS's definitions based on their (mis)reading of alternative canonical texts. The protection of minority rights was given short shrift all throughout history until the Enlightenment... The greatest threat to civilization is the rise of the idiocrisy, but even after an apocalypse, there will be remnants of the idiocrisy and the (slightly) less misguided - and their fate (in the absence of reason) would be subject to whims of the next autarchy.
Moral relativism,,,, our internment of Japanese in America is equal to the Japanese imprisonment (lets be clear of the difference between internment and imprisonment) of Americans. Right. Got it. The time for empathy is before and after the fight, not during. Either you fight to survive, or surrender. Anything else is stupidity....like what we have seen happen to our military and its rules of engagement. America will never win another war.
And for all you pacifists out there, there WILL be another war, and one after that. So if you don't want to fight to win, then go lay down somewhere and die, so others may survive. Ultimately people will die to protect the lives of those residing on high moral plains. For all of those demanding empathy and conscience, you likely would be living a considerably different life today if not for those murderous heathen preceding you who did what they must. On our current trajectory, we will all be living under sharia law in twenty years. Our society appears to only be willing to involve itself to the point of agitating enemies, but never enough to defeat them.
You are overlooking the question of "Who is 'we'?" The elites who run our government?
Yeah, changing the label really makes the crime not so criminal. I'm sure when they are "renditioning" Americans through the NDAA they'll be sure to call it "internment" and not imprisonment. That nonsense aside, you can fight against despots and still keep your morality. It's not an either/or situation, and anyone who thinks it is probably doesn't have much of a moral center to begin with. I'll kill anyone trying to hurt me or my family, but I'm not going to target innocent people just to make a point. Where is the line? What are you NOT willing to do? Because if there's no line, then you are probably no different from the shitheads you are fighting, and if that's the case, what makes your life worth any more than theirs and why shouldn't I just pop your head like a melon to be sure you don't turn on anyone else?
Also, I would worry more about the Banksters than the Muslims - you know, the fuckers that funded all those terrorist groups from the very beginning.
As much as the metaphysical discussion amuses me, there is also a rational and legal shortcoming to your argument. Personal liberty is a product of civil law (and the rule of law), it is severely (and by definition) suspended during martial law. Yes, there are more abstract definitions of personal liberty, but in "anarchist happy-land" discussion of the fact that those doing the interring (with the guns) are also exercising their personal liberty and that society can choose to expel or inter risks to the community is verboten (how the anarchists reconcile that contradiction is beyond me...).
Mmmm, no. Personal liberty is a product of natural law, as the article above mentions. We are born with the right to freedom, it is not a gift from government. People exercising tyranny are not respecting the principles of natural law, which states that your freedom is vindicated as long as you are not deliberately encroaching on the freedoms of others. Freedom is individual, not unrestricted and cancerous. The notion that a tyrant is exercising his right to freedom by taking freedom from others is a load of intellectualized horseshit. And who said anything about anarchism?
God might have given man a freedom, but he never said one would not have to defend it (and possibly at the cost of his own life) - whether freedum from the obligation to defend one's freedumbs, or denail of freedoms to others is intellectualized or proselatyzed horseshit... is simply a matter of one's proximity to the horseshit.
In the absence of civil law there is anarchy (or autarchy), by defintion.
UR, did you ever read Antigone, the Greek Tragedy written by Sophocles? There she claims unwritten natural law, too, as a divine command
I read an English translation of Sophocles' works way back in the 10th grade (the Ancient Greek professor was bit queer, and intransigent, for my tastes), so it's been a while, and it was never that thorough a reading. However, both Creon and Antigone were also intransigent, and they were both acting in accordance with their understanding of divine command. I find most natural law theory prior to Groitus (Hobbes/Aquinas) to be "incomplete" or somewhat incompatible or impracticable with contemporary society. But perhaps since you are dragging Antigone into this bizarre metaphysical dialogue on post apocalypse morality... you are digging for something in Heidegger's thoughts on Gewalt?
Shoveling snow and debating natural law on my smoke breaks... Hell has frozen over. Hope you had fun on your "time off". The quality of peanuts in the gallery seems to decline whenever we lose or misplace one of our more colorful nuts, but the world marches on... right over the cliff and into the abyss... just not today... always tomorrow, same as ever, Rinse, Repeat.
UR, I was more on the track that most "natural law" is at the end the appeal to the divine in defense of the customary, real or imagined
post apocalypse aside, customs regarding civility and war are degrading as much as the peanuts. or perhaps they aren't, and it's our expectations that grow?
I had lots of fun (digging in archeological sites does it for me), and decided to strongly limit my commentary on ZH. see you
Expectations have certainly grown, and in some respects in an unhealthy and self centered fashion. Enjoy the dust and dirt - it must be more fun than digging out of the Siberian Express.
I agree, freedom is inborn but its expression can be taken away by evil people. It has to be defended. But, the act of tyranny is an affront to freedom, not an expression of it. Freedom is internal to the individual, not a weapon used against others.
You can only argue that the Japanese were justly interned to the extent that some of them agreed to cede their freedom, including the power to get interned at a whim, to the authorities. Most of them probably did enter into voluntary agreements such as taking an oath to the constitution. However, the internment program was arguably in violation of the constitution. Would you still argue that they somehow deserved their fate? Probably a case can be made.
Then again, there's no denying that throughout the existence of every state they have committed brutalities, atrocities and, most of all, slow but steady erosion of society. We sure haven't forgotten the bombing of millions of civilians through the same period of history.
I argue that the right conclusion to be drawn is to completely renounce any aggression, and thus, any state. Any support for an aggressive entity such as a state sets one up for suffering in the future (disproportionate as it may seem sometimes).
Without a State, or mechanism oif common defense, how is one to protect themselves from the ravaging hordes? They no longer just ride on horseback, they have supersonic jets and tanks and high explosive ordinance. It requires a greater investment than an individual is capable of.
In regards to the distinction between civil law and martial law- the citizens have received that which they asked for. They certainly had opportunities after the War of Northern Aggression and the Great War to reign in the war powers that they allow their representatives to bestow upon the Federal Government, but as usual the sheeple were mute once the Peace gravy was served.
Individuals can voluntarily cooperate in much more streamlined, single-mission, decentralized ways than what we have today. Taking vital resources by aggression, promising a thousand dissimilar and unrelated things only as a bundle (defence being just one) and centralizing power within certain locations and groups of people are not at all attributes that are in any way necessary in order to provide any or all of the legitimate services that states claim to provide.
The thing described in this article - a shared moral code - is precisely the kind of thing that is one of the key components of a decentralized defence system. That moral code could be part of a broader religion, ideology, or just something which you declare or prove by actions.
If you think about it, there are many cases in history of states being initially guided by religious codes, or at least being run by people with a relatively strong respect for a common moral code, which were much more successful than states which did not have a common moral code.
You could have completely voluntary defence cooperation that anyone can subscribe to by merely following the common code and be automatically considered a non-participant by the rest of the participants if and when a unresolved violation of the code is observed. You could have any of a variety of organizations for financing and executing larger-scale activities - corporations, non-profits, cooperatives. In other words, you could have a free market for defence services abiding by a certain moral code. You may also have competition between different moral codes, but there tends to be a strong network effect and incentive to make the different moral codes compatible. That is, until you are left with just two: one statist and one anarchist. That final dichotomy would also eventually resolve.
Now imagine you are a disgruntled soldier with possession and control over some tactical nukes or something like that. Is there anything stopping you from just deciding to switch to the good side?
On your point about law: I think people haven't and never will get legislation (generally law that comes from a state or other authority) that is anywhere near being fair simply because the imposition of a state itself is not a fair thing. It is fundamentally impossible. Many people in society realize this one way or another and this is one reason why they are not even trying to get better legislation. It is better to let attempts at propping up legislation fail and let the forces of natural law (which are ever present, sometimes mimicked by legislation, sometimes suppressed) re-emerge, be broadly recognized and dominate.
The devil is in the details of that voluntary cooperation structure... I live a country the size of Maryland with 8 million people, and the military defense bill costs about $1000 per person per year, excluding civil defense and certain "overhead" costs that are built into the expenses of daily life (but at least they let us vote on the big ticket items like the extra $1000 per person to upgrade the air force jets). However, 150,000 active duty volunteers organized into 15 standing brigades still requires centralization and thousands of full time professionals to keep the wheels turning and the evil EUSSR empire at the borders at bay. If you divide that defensive capability to something like a city-state, where incidentally the same centralization cost would be divided among an even smaller military base - the country only survives based on the acquiescence of its neighbors and trading partners - Singapore couldn't mount any serious defense against either Malaysia or China if they did anything that seriously pissed off either. Another issue is the willingness to cooperate (or foot the bill over time), ostensibly there is conscription here, but the conscriptable population exceeds the slots so it is a de facto voluntary service, but there is an increasing tendency among those who do not serve, or philosophically object to even a citizen militia for the common defense, and those who have other fiscal priorities to to to do away with the common defense as time passes since WW2 and the Cold War. Without an engaged citizenry, continuous investment and a good education system- the defense capability as well as overall social cohesion will atrophy over time - and if it is too voluntary - it will atrophy that much quicker. How far has the USSA fallen since LBJ upped the ante on FDR's voluntary, but incented worship of Statism, or Nixon made the armed forces "voluntary"?
A common moral code which includes the non-aggression principle (NAP) is like a global non-aggression pact. Any army invading the land of people who follow the NAP would immediately be at war with everyone who follows the NAP.
The downside is the free riding issue, but there are mechanisms to mitigate this. Social pressure can be applied, but this requires that the moral code really is as close to universally acceptable as possible. Then anyone not following it can suffer from bad reputation, etc. There are mechanisms such as assurance contracts (think Kickstarter) for funding.
I think the atrophy you are talking about is caused by disagreements with values, priorities and various other aspects of the overall structure, and that is why the common moral code should be minimal, and defence should be done separately from other activities. This is also why you need decentralization - one simply cannot get around the fact of nature that at any given moment of time every individual has information that others do not. There is still a place for large entities within a decentralized model. When you have decentralization, even if the largest entity atrophies and fails, you still have others that pop up and replace it.
This conversation literally has nothing to do with that.
We as a people absolutely must start coming to terms with the sensitive, less fortunate, downtrodden souls (no pun intended) who we otherwise demonize in our privileged misunderstanding and in doing so create the schisms leading to hateful sayings and bad thoughts that should not be tolerated in a community of social upstanding development.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/17/taraji-p-henson-empire-backlash...
All this talk about not helping those unprepared for the trials of the day is far removed from when others will, not only need your, help but take your shit and kill y'all for it.
So getchur shit together and have a few plastic bags to tie over your head for when the going gets tough.
Ahnnnnnnnmmmmmmmeraaaaaaggahhghhhhhhhharrrrrrump!
(s/)
The further I've gotten onto today (yesterday to some of you and tomorrow to others, altho to many of us who understand the Quantum, we no longer suffer from the illusion of the past, present and future which many link such to frivolous measurements based upon dinural activity or the like) the crazier it's become.... and all I've done today is having been casual observer of the human condition.
To be alive is to live with risk. The key to survival is the accurate evaluation of risk. We live in a world of chaos where few have any real clue as to what their risks actually are. We are bombarded with threats, many of which are exaggerated or invented to drive political and consumption choices.
Our empathy must be guided by an accurate knowledge of our risks. Do we open our door at 3am to a stranger? It depends. do you have skills that reduce risk in your decision? Do you have others in your home who's lives are at risk?
Yes, we should strive to retain the higher moral ground whenever we can as that is ultimately what defines us. But, it is not some universal rule. It MUST be a judgement based each of our individual risk factors. Life IS choices, and risk is what defines those choices. If you are driving without insurance and a license, then your risks from speeding are different from mine. If you break into my home versus one of my neighboring pacifists, your risks are "different".
Sure, lets all be "good" people, but more importantly, lets all be SMART people. Know your risks and be the best person you can AFFORD to be.
There is a reason that pacifists do not rule after thousands of years. They all died. Like it or not, humans will always take advantage of weakness, and pacifism IS weakness when it becomes policy. If you want to be a pacifist, keep it to yourself, otherwise you are just another target.
i could not say it better way.
/poke
i +1 to you.
Offering "free shit" is how we got in this mess. Welfare, unemployment for two years, disability, medicaid? No problem. Just be sure to vote for the liberal fuckhead once every four years. Sorry, but these shit heads are going to be purged, and I will have no remorse because this is the final consequences of the actions THEY CHOSE TO MAKE. Watch the Mark Dice videos. All of those f'ers will be purged. There is no need for a welfare dependent in a post collapse society, but they sure as hell are useful when a democrat needs votes.
The Selection just gives one a choice between two different liberals.
The people really did not have a choice. (Hell most of the people are so ignorant that they haven't any knowledge about what a Dollar actually is...) If Elections were to cause changes in policy then they'd be made illegal.
And as for "free shit" you need to take a good look at the Financial Industry, the Real Estate Industry, the Political Industry, the Defense Industry, and the Pharmaceuticlal Industry, as well as the Petroleum Industry.
What the Free Shit Army has received pales in comparison to what these industries have looted from you.
Kill the Banksters and the lawyers and we will be off to a decent start.
Arbeit macht frei? I'm on board!
Imagine sitting around a campfire in the aftermath of a nuclear exchange...and there's some neocon sitting there talking about how we need to reconstitute the govt and strike back at our "enemies"
Is that the guy he wants me to reach out to?
Sorry, but that's not going to happen.
I agree with most of what the OP is saying...but I am human, and I do have my limits.
But I sure would agree with a surviving Progressive that we'd need to reconstitute the Department of Health and Humans Services to get the welfare and EBT programs back up, otherwise the poor disaffected would get radicalized like ISIS without jobs, free shit or at least some "folks" to behead.
Auuuuuuuuuummmmmmaaaahhahahhahhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaarragggahhahhh!
"I consider anyone who initiates aggression as fair game. Reciprocate in kind."
Exactly.
When an enemy has no problem throwing flashbangs into babies cribs, why should you concern yourself with what happens to their babies?
Men have the capacity to limit their disputes to themselves. Men have the capacity to conduct conflicts within certain limits. When one set of men decides to include their enemies women and children as fair game, then all bets are off.
If the opposition wishes to keep their women and children off limits, then perhaps they should conduct themselves accordingly and keep their enemies women and children off limits. Of course, they do not.
Every man who has any intention of resisting must come to terms with these facts. Now. Otherwise you're just a useless pussy and in for a very rude awakening.
So then your plan is to kill babies and become just like the elites? Anyone with that kind of psychopathic attitude will die long before they get a chance to make any difference in the fight anyway. They'll be targeted by enemies and allies alike. The idea that people have to abandon what is right in order to win is complete bullshit and the ultimate form of cowardice. Having the courage to do what is right despite the horrible nature of the times is not the same as being weak.
~ "The Masses sleep sound at night because Ruthless Men stand guard at night willing and capable of the worst atrocities on their behalf"
If you want to sleep sound at night you better make sure you have some bad-ass standing guard.
Better make sure the "badass" guarding you at night has some kind of moral compass, otherwise he might cut your throat and take your shit. Do you worship the jock of every dude on death row because he has the lack of morals necessary to commit attrocities?
The media companies that produce the high quality programs the public enjoy are almost exclusively owned by a special group. The programming is just a projection of that special groups' values.
Food for thought
Interesting,
I am not sure if all this SHTF will spawn the apocolypse. Cause where I am at, when tragic events happen, people come together and help one another....I understand that things could become hectic in major cities, areas without rainfall, large populations reliant on logistics and transportation to survive, and thought tv shows were more of a hint hint as to be prepared for the worst. I would not want to be in Southern California or somewhere like Phoenix.
Try Sao Paulo. 20+ million without water. You will see this unfold very quickly.
Was there for a month about 30 years ago and was already a shit hole, then.
No shit. I was in Sao Paulo in 1985-86. The place sucked. There were a lot of hot chicks, but it was a massive, concrete, polluted, poverty stricken, crime ridden cauldron. Can't imagine what it must be like today. Spent time in the Sao Paulo/Santos/Rio corridor and then a lot of time along the Bolivian border near Puerto Suarez/Corumba.
Manaus was so freaking hot. Got mosquito bit inside my ear canals at night because I neglected to rub skeeter juice into my ears.
I hated Brazil.
I live in rural SoCal. That's why I'm building an army.
I am in Lakeside, CA, a suburb of San Diego., East County, doing similar with the homeless, the true and current survivalists. They are easily motivated and can be easily led. They are not part of the Free Shit Army as they have "fallen through the cracks in the safety net".
Where are you?
Interesting,
I am not sure if all this SHTF will spawn the apocolypse. Cause where I am at, when tragic events happen, people come together and help one another....I understand that things could become hectic in major cities, areas without rainfall, large populations reliant on logistics and transportation to survive, and thought tv shows were more of a hint hint as to be prepared for the worst. I would not want to be in Southern California or somewhere like Phoenix.
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they help each others, in the considering of the temporary of the situation. they think to raise and rebuild, go forward, forget, get better.
this is a mental posture.
when the situation go longer, muuuuch longer, when ressources become rare, when you have to make choice that are not possibily designed to be fair for every one, because it cannot be fair for every one by nature, ex : 10 beef can for 30 ppl, what is ok, 30ppl with hungry not calmed or 10 ready for service and 20 on the ground... you have 1/20 yelling, then you have the dislocating of the human relations, the US become the ME.
it has been proven over time. it can be counted. past 4 days of total blackout total SHTF, past 96hours your neighbour has the ability to become a monster, as you have to become so to him...
this is complex human behaviors. 1973 rugbymen in chile were not bad people but to survive has choices to do to eat dead ppl to get some meat... it is a choice in a dedicated situation...
evey one is different, even with common sense, we all have our **cracks** moment :)
Throne of Blood, Ran. Akira Kurosawa, You should have heard the things they said about my generation. We grew up with Chilly Billy Cardilly in Pittsburgh every Saturday. The Crawling Eye, Fiend Without a Face. and so on. Then when Jimi Hendrix came out and everybody was turning to tomatoes and eyeballs were hanging out of the sky and friends were jumping through plate glass windows and shit, they used to say our DNA would create a generation of retards which I imagine would be your generation bitchez.
"The Crawling Eye" - as rare as "The Sword and The Dragon" - always in black and white with a lot of interference on the tube -aaah memeories of after school and avoiding homework. I doubt also that many people can readily recall who in fact "Chilly" Billy is.
The parasitic and the co-operative are the two alternative evolutionary survival strategies.
They are diametrically opposite. When one becomes predominant the other has hardly any chance.
With the emergence of the totalitarian state, the parasitic is a clear winner, independent of the long term results.
Short of collapse of the state and a parallel ideological revolution the tide will never turn.
Prey for the collapse. Otherwise it will consume every pocket of resistance.
Shirts and skins?
It will be easier to apply the code this way.
The free market will take care of everything. Flame throwers available for a reasonable price.
Long Marshmallows, bitchez..........
If it is anything but everyone doing what is right in their own eyes, I will be surprised.
Have you seen the prediction that currency will be bullets.
"What I see developing is an extremely dangerous philosophy that rests on the foundation that victory (or survival) is the paramount virtue and that it should be attained at any cost. Moral compass becomes a “luxury” that “true” apex survivors cannot afford, an obstacle that could eventually get one killed."
Strange. That's not at all what I've been hearing in my circles. I've been hearing a strong desire to return to a moral code. But what do my observations matter? I live in fly-over country.
There is a great new Zombie manga that's been runnign for a while now, ti deals with how different type of people respond to extreme situation. Also it's quite intersting because the japanese dont have access to firearms. Great read, too, called "I am a Hero".
http://reader.manga-download.org/read/i_am_a_hero/en/1/0/page/1
This ain't no disco....
This ain't no party
This ain't no disco
This ain't no foolin' around.
Yeah, ok, lets all sit in a circle and sing Kumbaya.
Reality is, one can have ultimate survival in mind AND moral compass. You go down this road of thinking YOU and YOUR survival are not VERY important, and well...YOU will be the one slaughtered and will simply self-fulfill the outcome.
Enemies lurk everywhere. People make rash decisions. Stupid decisions.
The title to this article sounds almost remeniscent of Soviet socialist/communist propoganda...we can all live in Utopia...though NONE of us ever will.
sorry...while one doesnt need to turn into a barbarian, he can surely protect, defend, and slaughter those others in times where if he does not, he and his own persih instead.
no skittle shittin unicorns here.
peace
That's exactly what the article said. Survive, fight back, but don't become a psychopath in the process. Retain a sense of moral compass or become just like the assholes you are trying to defeat. Makes sense to me.
Exactly. How can you possibly expect to defeat someone who is going to do what ever it takes to defeat you and your going to stop when your actions don't follow the direction of your moral compass you will most assuredly lose.
"If your fighting a fair fight, your tactics suck"
Most people have never had their morals and principles tested, then there are those of us who have. I sleep just fine, because I get to see my wife and kids everyday......although I do have a lot of scary shit in my head I wish I could get out and I don't mean shrapnel.
Keep your head on a swivel people.
Bullshit. So by your logic we should go into Iraq and start cutting off random people's heads to show ISIS our resolve? You defeat the enemy by being smarter, not more brutal. Lack of morality does not win wars, and strength of will is tested by doing the right thing when you don't necesarily have to. There's a lot of weaklings out there beating their chests acting as if a "real man" kills and eats babies. It's really just cowardice in disguise because they don't have the balls to stand by their principles when it counts. If I see some fucker killing little kids, even if they claim to be anti-elite, I would have no qualms about stomping him bloody. The patriot movement is better off without psychopaths, it's not stronger with them around.
Bullshit. So by your logic we should go into Iraq and start cutting off random people's heads to show ISIS our resolve? You defeat the enemy by being smarter, not more brutal.
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depends on the enemy type , lol
on isis i'm ok with you.
on one shot events with some idiot thugs or such, a solid kickass is all the required to be in peace aftermath.
There is never a valid excuse for chopping off heads of random people. Circumstances do not change the nature of the moral situation, as much as we might like them to. If you think there is a rationale for random head chopping, then don't be too surprised if you end up being the one with a stub where your neck used to be.
Obviously you took my statement out of context or I stated wrong. I am in support of your statement. I was not supporting those who said they would kill women and children who are non-combatants. I was referring to those who would do harm to you with out morals and priciples and that while combating them to forget your morals because they have. Just because you are put in a situation where you take life doesn't make you a murder.
We always went out of our way to ensure women and children weren't hurt or killed. It didn't always turn out that way and it will always haunt you.
For those of you who would hunt down someone's family and destroy them....I believe you will find that harder than you anticipate and you will be put in the standing as the likes of ISIS.
I hope that clears it up. My first post was cryptic. If we were talking face to face you could have heard the emotion in my voice and see it on my face and understood. My apologies.
Have a good one.
'Morality' is a word used in an attempt to show humans are somehow above the rest of the animal kingdom. Yet it is clear we are not. Just as a cat will kill even though it is not hungry so will a human. Applying a survival situation actually makes it more justified. A band of chimps will kill and even eat one of a rival clan in battle and show of dominance for territory/resources. Not much different from ISIS beheading someone(s).
When we drone away, and hit the innocent, the guilt is passed off as acceptable damage for the greater good. Is it?
We are the same as other animals... The only difference is we have guilt occasionally and thus must have some justification for our actions. Apocalyptic shows merely show the result of restraint of guilt being stripped away.... Or justified for the greater good.
Your uncle should have smoked you as an infant.
"We are the same as other animals... The only difference is we have guilt occasionally and thus must have some justification for our actions."
That's a keeper, dude. I'm using that to describe modern liberalism.
I get the impression morality evolved to serve two sets of behaviors with one overriding goal. Survival.
Morality as expressed towards the ingroup was for promoting civilized behavior and cooperation to improve the survival chances of the tribe.
Towards an outgroup, the behaviors exhibited were moral opposites and were used to rationalize bloodlust and animal savagery towards the outsiders. Killing or vanquishing competing tribes also promoted survival of the ingroup.
So those living today are the descendants of those who successfully cooperated within the ingroup and killed off competing outgroups - all through selective application of moral behaviors.
First law of Nature is; Thou must survive! If one does not survive then that one's genes are expunged from the gene pool. So you go and get yourself killed. I have to
live for my genes (kids/ grand kids). Straw man shit about guilt and morals does not get it when the hour of death comes. I'm a Vietnam combat vet that did not think we
should have been there. I came back with wounds, but alive, while a few Vietnam kids (not old enough to shave) payed a much bigger price, but there mom's were the
ultimate losers. Every day for the rest of there lives, they would look at the place were the one who never came home would sleep. Not good boys and girls, not good.
A common moral code is a coordination mechanism used for group survival. Not only can you have morals and survive too, but you can actually increase your chance of survival by choosing a good moral code. I think this is the background that the author did not mention in this article.
A common moral code can, for example, be the thing that you and all the other good guys use in order to identify an enemy. Someone kills someone who you are sure never deserved to be killed? Now all of you know who the enemy is and what needs to be done, without having to wait for any orders. It makes hierarchies and middlemen unnecessary. This is one of the main purposes of a moral code.
A) Morality is an abstraction used by immoral humans to enslave other humans.
B) Attempting to reason....that might makes right....interesting. You have encountered a contradiction. Check your premise. Making the case for might makes right requires shooting, not reasoning.
C) That humans are innately violent because they are classified by science as animals, thus behave the same as other animals, is Fallacy of Division. Animals do not have the reasoning skills with which humans are equipped.
If humans are so violent, please explain the Christmas Soccer games in WWI, right smack in the middle of one of the most violent conflicts in human history.
Could not have said it better my self.
Morality was invented by those lacking it to make it even easier for them to rape and plunder those gullible enough to 'turn the other cheek'.
C) That humans are innately violent because they are classified by science as animals, thus behave the same as other animals, is Fallacy of Division. Animals do not have the reasoning skills with which humans are equipped.
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they have, it is human that dot have ability to understand animal reign.
world and animals can live without humans, humans cannot live without animals... we are destroying them... you play the teacher but you have many zone of shit in your brain, stop seeing yourself as human at the top of the chain because you are the veryyyy 1st that gonna fall down and be hurt to death.
problem with humanity is we lost sense of reality and humility about mother nature, she can be old 4.5 billions years lady and may be half life, but we certainly not having same lifetime.
we are fucking dust on the scale and we are in a corner of our miserable life about to destroy ourself just because of our... how you say "reasoning skills ? "
you fucking lost man.... wake up... we never gonna pass 2100...
Modern warfare is a total struggle of one society against another. There are no innocents, and the ultimate sin for the righteous is to suffer defeat. If you don't understand what I'm saying, just google Dresden or Hiroshima.
Heard the Concept of Democide?
There is also a story about how Prussia lost to Napoleon and deciding it was the education of the kids. People should be taught Hegelian Philosophy of authority of the state as ultimate.
So the State in Western Europe and the USA take the children and teach them that the State is the ultimate Authority and ultimate power which should be respected and revered. You see individualist, tribalist, or Deist don't follow the leaders as well. The state must be Supreme.
What philosophy should replace this Hegelian Value??
Maybe if we want peace and an end to opium wars and profits for governments and corporations for wars and pushing drugs with state sponsored funding... the Individual should be the ultimate authority. Maybe through true democracy like National referendums.
I'm not sure about anarcho-syndicalism at this point.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-16/hsbc-bank-secret-origins-launde...
Good article.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-18/russia-dumps-most-us-paper-ever... (my comment on World Government as ultimate authority)
Funny, I thought he was talking about post-collapse revolution or civil war, not modern warfare. No cards on the table when the massive state is fighting wars against another massive or weaker state.
Author is worried about social collapse. Yes, America could be carved up into feuding warlord tribes. Texas and plain states versus california and New York.
As a devout polytheist, one thing that has been a longstanding point of guidance in my life is the firm belief that a strong moral compass is the basis of prosperity. Human beings don't have to be perfect. When we set such an artificial standard we're guaranteed to fail. But what we can do is build our characters, to define our values and try to stay true to them. Chasing after moral absolutes is a fool's errand. But trying to live with dignity and honor is something anyone can aspire to, no matter what their past misdeeds; no matter how smart or dull they are; no matter what else they believe.
You lost me at polytheist.
Like starting an argument by stating you are a tard.
I don't mind "polytheist" as much as "devout" bothers me. How many of his imaginary friends require human sacrifice?
Why would they? Do yours?
Well, Devout environmentalists require a 25-95% reduction in population.
well if TPTB are real-im sure they have a 75% population reduction program in the wings.....and a bug out bag. 500 million seems kind of sparce, according to the Georgia guidestones
The alternative is to be an egomaniac who denies the existence of other minds.
The author said:
"If there is such a thing as the “greater good,”"
I think we can all agree that this is a failed experiment along the vein of 'wouldn't it be great if we ... '.
So, just call me a pessimist but in all fairness - remind me of what I have to be optimistic about?
The failed experiment for the US was Woodrow Wilsons Federal Reserve and it's sidekicks, the Welfare State and MIC.
I have a whole list of people to kill when the SHTF.
Not really.
February 18th, 2015 http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/collapse-survivor-explains-strateg...
Selco is full of shit. He basically promotes the kind of sociopathic behavior the article above warns about.
Brandon is an idealist.
So are you.
I am not writing that it is bad or wrong. In fact it is not. I happen to agree with the ideal.
Unfortunately far too many do not agree with the ideal.
That is the reason why we are discussing the upcoming predicament in the first place.
So we either face this pragmatically or we die for our principles. The choice for that is up to you.
As I have previously written, many times on this forum, PRINCIPLES BEFORE PROFITS.
That will only guarantee lack today, and, perhaps, starvation tomorrow.
But hunger may change my attitude. It may change yours.
I do not know how I will respond until after I have crossed the Rubicon and have my ideals put to the test of the fire.
You will face the same test as I. Do you really know how you will respond?
https://www.facebook.com/POSTCOLLAPSETHEORY?fref=ts
I personally am studying war, revolutions, and "asymmetric" war and resistance.
I can tell all of those reading this, for what my opinion may be worth, that the number one thing that I have learned is to see, and think in systems. See, and think in systems.
A soldier in the field is a system that requires support. A tank in the field is a system. Look at it as a system, and you will uncover ways to undermine, and/or destroy it so as to defeat it.
The second thing is, study until it is part of you Sun Tzu's Art of War. Sounds cliche, but the wisdom put across from that little guide is invaluable. It will, like seeing, and thinking in systems, assist you in thinking outside the box to find ways to destroy the enemy.
The banksters need to repay us.
Another anecdote from a conversation with a gun and badge thug friend of mine. I mentioned destroying the local county's gun and badge thug helicopter, and how easy it would be. He prattled on about parallax, altitude, trajectories,etc. in a vain attempt to convince me as to how hard that would be. When he was finished, I told him, "I never said in the air. They store it down the way. Out in the open, fully fueled, and no security but a chain link fence. A jar of gas, or a well placed sniper round, and that would be all she wrote." End of convo. You'd think he'd learn by now. See, and think in systems.
Another: I brought to his attention the local gun and badge thugs' dependence on radio communication. Then I mentioned how their antenna is so high that it requires 8 guy wires. 8 guy wires easily cut at the base, causing the antenna to topple over--no more radio comms.
The only reason that I know all of this is because I have gone by, and observed (see) these people, and their operations, and then spent time thinking about how they function as a system, and then identified the weak points in their systems. Not only is it great practice, but I am also building up an encyclopedic knowledge about the enemy in my area--Who they are, where they are, and the systems they depend on. You should too.
See you on the battlefield, as I'm not going "camping."
I like how you think. However, local cops wont be the main enemy in a collapse scenario. Depending on where you live, the "enemy" will most likely be massive bands of refugess or displaced sheeple, without food, water, or shelter, but also unfortunately, probably heavily armed in some cases. Those are the systems that I study.
he thinks as a young idiot in school learning academic stuff and thinking he is smarter than others...
seriously... you have to be in system mode thinking to realize that any mechanical/living stuff fighting gravity to fly will have to land to resupply or have a rest....?
you see, when i say "generation of morrons with inability to think by themselve with smartphone in hand yo replace calculator" pages before, you have the perfect specimen here...
sun tzu... lol, what sun tzu will do for you when you have 10 guys raping your wife a knife under the throat, you will ask permission to go read in W.C for 10m to check the manual ?
Shooting or burning your enemy's vehicles, fuel depots, and warehouses is insurgency 101.
Parked vehicles, fuel depots, and warehouses don't shoot back.
Why target anything but the weakest, most vulnerable available link?
Tell your gun and badge friend that Bernalillo County Sheriff's Office had it's chopper shot down by small arms fire a few years ago. As in something along the lines of a single shot from a 30-06.
Although, you are correct. Our military/'s strength (i.e. ability to kill, not necessarily win wars,) comes from a logistical machine. So, what do you, Mr Guerrilla Partisan do if faced with a battle tank? Do not engage it. You know the tanks are out patrolling, if you get the option, kill the mechanics. Hit it's fuel depot. Find a chink in something necessary for that tank to run that you do have the ability to attack. Why? Because going toe-to-toe with an M1 Abrams with small arms is just stupidity.
Isn't this what IED's were/are all about?
WOLVERINES!!!
Warlord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px3_ZMSJkm8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YydEfbKg7GM
Right between the eyes
We'll blow 'em all away
Never knowing why, not today
Take 'em by surprise
It's just a game for some
We'll deliver them all to kingdom come
Warfare is all around you
Warfare has tied and bound you
Warfare lay always in your mind
Shoot to kill, ready at will
The plan of attack is survive
No hero's here, just pain and fear
On the battlefield watch 'em die
Warfare is all around you
Warfare has tied and bound you
Warfare lay always in your mind
Warfare will crucify you
Warfare the truth will blind you
Warfare you lose even if you've won
Infiltration, propaganda
Political extravaganza
The laws of war
They're all too clear
Mushroom clouds
The end is near
Warfare is all around you
Warfare has tied and bound you
Warfare lay always in your mind
Warfare will crucify you
Warfare the truth will blind you
Warfare you lose even if you've won
"Those who would viciously impose upon the innocent as a preplanned strategy are not redeemable. "
The logical conclusion is that all manner of parasite will require identification and termination.
No more jails...
Anything less than a week or confined to a single region is not comparable to a nation-wide or global SHTF event. All this 'goodie help' will go out the window when food and water run out, banks close, and most importantly the production and distribution of food, water, gas, electricity, etc effectively end. Hunger and thirst with no prospects of getting any turns into a powerful motivator to turn into a pirate gang.
War is cruelty and you cannot refine it-- W.T. Sherman
With that said, however, I think it is important to keep in mind that war needs to have an ultimate aim apart from sheer survival.
What are we fighting to achieve? What should we be fighting to achieve? It needs to be something large enough that it is worth risking our valuable lives, fortune, and sacred honor to attain it.
Getting to wear lice-ridden buffalo robes and throw bones over our shoulders as we gnaw away at our dinner seems rather indistinguishable from defeat, so far as I am concerned.
First off, I would prefer that "the mighty scourge of war will pass us by".
If it does not, I wish to see a victory that involves restoration of the US Constitution in all its ancient glory. Men can die, and all will eventually. Borders can shrink or expand, but the ideals contained in that document are beyond price since we lack a generation sufficiently versed in philosophy to conjure up a durable replacement. It must live even if we ourselves perish and I firmly believe that it will.
As was said by the angel in General Washington's Vision:
"All the world united shall not prevail against her."
It's funny, but Sherman did a lot of damage to the South and is still reviled by those in the South, yet Grant killed a lot more Southerners. What he did seemed more personal. We're funny critters, because I don't think that the South is unique in how sometimes we views events based on perceptions than the real numbers. Take today for example, with the BLS...
We may all devolve into savagery momentarily not to save ourselves but to save our families. Then what? Without ideals and a dream of restoration, all is lost. I am long on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
We Prepare To Offer Aid, Even To Those We Think Might Not Deserve It
This will get you killed unless you're a very large organization actor (e.g. state, military, etc.) Virtually anyone that's lived through signficant levels of anarchy will tell you this.
That's not anarchy but chaos.
Amazing how stupid and conditioned most of you are.
Pot, meet Kettle.
The conditioning required to even make that statrement is astounding.
90% of people in the US believe it's ok to forcibly take a portion of what someone earns, by force of a gun stuck in someones face (the IRS), and divvy it up amongst the people they believe deserve/need it more than the guy that earned it in the first place..... and that's when things are relatively calm. Imagine how they'll feel when a real shit storm happens.
No, people will turn into fucking animals and eat their own kids if it came right down to it. Best to prepare accordingly...........and before anyone says it, no, I don't mean have a bunch of kids to use for barter with the cannibals.
Guy has a point.
Reading the Attitudes on Here. in response to what i consider a very good article I realize just how very badly we are Screwed
The author has a lot of good points with the caveat that one implicit assumption is correct: Supply chains won't break. If supply chains break and stay broken, his article is basically null and void. Some of the points will be applicable, but many will not be. If supply chains break, Brandon's article will be pie in the sky drivel that is drowned out by a desire to do mildly important things, like eating.
You prepare for breaks in the supply chain, and you prepare others as much as you can too. If every patriot did this it could prevent the kind of chaos you describe. You don't wait around for it to happen then say "oh well, too bad things went to shit, now I have to forget all my principles and become a psycho..." This only gives the government (or the UN or whatever) the rationale to impose martial law, because every jackass with delusions of being a lone wolf will refuse to help others giving others no option but to turn to government.
The supply chain argument makes no sense, and sounds like an excuse to be lazy. Maybe some people just want the SHTF so that they can get away with acting like a psycho?
When you say patriot, do you mean the roughly 1 million Americans who don't watch TV constantly and who are aware of the ponzi and the subtle ass-raping we're all getting?
Because I tend to encounter Patriots only on the interwebs. IRL it's mostly sleepwalkers/facebookers or "America FUCK YEAHs".
That's how I classify the sheople I encounter. Unfortuntaly out here in hillbilly country, the armed rednecks who have skills, are mostly FUCKYEAHS and support the Republicans and their church. And they vote and believe what their pastors (baptists) tell them.
Superstition and ignorance is everywhere out here. just saying.
Perhaps some sort of revelation, such as real truth being revealed about any of our recent false flags might wake them up, but I ain't holdin' my breath.
In truth, out here in the country, I think that if the fedgov disappeared I'd be in more danger from a Baptist Theocracy than any ISIS or badgethug. The only thing that keeps the fundamentalist nutjobs fromestablishing a Baptist (notice I don't call them Christian because they are not) Sharia law and 80% of the people here would support it.
The first Law of Baptist Sharia is that all other denominations go to hell, and all other churches must be burned (look out Catholics, episcopalians, methodists et al).
I'll be fighting them or fleeing them IMO. They are ignorant, superstitious, and dangerous in their self-righteousness. Not all that different from Muslim fundamentalists -- in fact they share teh same views about gays, alcohol, and some other moral issues and they are about as tolerant.
Their mullahs are called pastors.
There is no prepearing 320 million people, where the vast majority don't know where or how their food is produced, for supply chain breaks when they're constantly told by the MSM that everything is OK and kept ignorant. If supply chains break slowly, you might have a chance of convincing them, but if it is a rapid break, all bets are off. If supply chains break rapidly, martial law will not last very long.
The article is good, as well as the many insightful and personal comments. This is a rarity these days on ZH.
My motto, "Age and treachery always prevail over youth and skill."
or ... don't fuck with old guys.
Dont try to fist fight an old man, he'll just shoot you.
WTF?..We've already been conquered,the Federal Reserve did it without even firing one shot..
But they did use a little mass fear propaganda and few strategic 'hits'.