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US Government Proposes "Sugary-Food Tax" To Curb Obesity
The totalitarian arm of the ever-growing government appears to know no limit. In today's "oh no they didn't" moment, the US Government's diet panel has dictated proposed one more oppression of American's freedom to choose:
- *GOV'T PANEL PROPOSES SUGARY-FOOD TAX TO FUND NUTRITION PROGRAMS, CURB OBESITY
On the bright side, the government approves of "lean meat" as compatible with healthy eating. The bill, introduced by Rep. Juan Candelaria, D-New Haven, would impose a tax of 1 cent per ounce on soft drinks - including sweetened teas, energy drinks and soda - and candies that are high in sugar and calories.
As Bloomberg reports,
Americans should pay taxes on sugary sodas and snacks as a way to cut down on sweets, though they no longer need to worry about cholesterol, according to scientists helping to revamp dietary guidelines as U.S. obesity levels surge.
The recommendations Thursday from the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee also call for Americans to reduce meat consumption and to take sustainability into account when dining.
The panel released its report as the Obama administration seeks ways to fight obesity, which now affects more than one-third of American adults and 17 percent of children, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“What we’re calling for in the report in terms of innovation and bold new action in health care, in public health, at the community level, is what it’s going to take to try and make a dent on the epidemic of obesity,” committee chairwoman Barbara Millen of Millennium Prevention in Westwood, Massachusetts, said in a telephone interview.
Suggestions by the nonpartisan panel of academics and scientists helps shape school lunch menus and the $6 billion a year Women, Infants and Children program, which serves more than 8 million Americans buying groceries from retailers including Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Kroger Co. The recommendations were sent to the two agencies that later this year will issue the final guidelines that are used to create the government’s icon for healthy diets, currently a dinner-plate that replaced the widely used food pyramid.
Government knows best:
“Higher sugar-sweetened beverage taxes may encourage consumers to reduce sugar-sweetened beverage consumption,” according to the advisory panel. “Using the revenues from the higher sugar-sweetened beverage taxes for nutrition health promotion efforts or to subsidize fruits and vegetables could have public health benefits.”
The document states that “lean meats can be a part of a healthy dietary pattern.”
“The food industry is frantic about the guidelines. They don’t want anything in there that says anything about eating less of their products. That’s their concern more than anything else.”
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So, expensive non-refined foods are good? And the poorist people - who can't afford to eat the way the government dictates - will pay all the taxes?
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Take that Fatties
First they came for the fatties, but it was ok because I wasn't fat and their truck broke down from the fatties.
So, let me get this straight: Big Ag corn farmers and companies like Monsanto buy their own congress critters, who then subsidize the corn farmers, who grow the corn that gets processed into corn syrup, which goes into the sodas and candies that they're now going to tax? Fuck me! The economy is a Rube-Goldberg ponzi!
WTF!? Just start teaching anorexia courses as part of the Common Core !
US implemented "income tax" to curb income. They were successful.
I don't drink much in the way of "sugary drinks" unless you count organge juice (and they probably will). I'd still oppose this. They'll use any damned excuse they can dream up to levy new taxes. They don't care about "health" and never have. They care about MONEY- getting as much of it shoved into the government coffers as possible so they can go out and buy votes.
Fuck those assholes.
oh it's for the kids. just send me the tax, i'll educate people properly-NO MOAR GOVERNMENT INTRUSION INTO YOUR LIFE AND UP EVERY ORAFICE, thank you, ha...
This time the gubbimint will use the tax dollars for the good of the people. This time it will be different.
/LOL
Related topic. Very interesting.
http://news.yahoo.com/microbes-gut-influence-brain-152114165.html
The trillions of microbes that inhabit the human body, collectively called the microbiome, are estimated to weigh two to six pounds — up to twice the weight of the average human brain. Most of them live in the gut and intestines, where they help us to digest food, synthesize vitamins and ward off infection. But recent research on the microbiome has shown that its influence extends far beyond the gut, including to the brain. During the past 10 years, studies have linked the gut microbiome to a range of complex behaviors, such as mood and emotion, appetite and satiety, and even learning and memory. Not only does the gut microbiome appear to help maintain brain function, but it may also influence the risk of psychiatric and neurological disorders, including anxiety, depression and autism.
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TKF: Have you changed your behavior as a result of your research into the connection between the microbiome and a healthy body and brain?
C.L.: I've certainly altered mine. I eat more fresh vegetables, and we have a small garden at our house. It's becoming clear from the American Gut Project that an important source of gut microbial diversity is the number of different plants we eat. Fresh vegetables are a significant source of bacteria. For example, the leaves of a spinach plant are estimated to harbor more than 800 different species of microbes. These are microbes that you can't sterilize from the plant because they're actually inside of it. And so having access to this kind of microbial diversity through the things that we eat is probably very important. I've also added sand from ocean beaches to my children's sandbox, I let my kids swim in lakes, and we take probiotics.
and for those with any culinary skill
an IRS agent will go door to door at dinner time to weigh your meals and measure the amount of sugar in each preperation.
Hey Serf, eat your peas...with no sugary drink to wash them down.
Or maybe...the IRS drinks your milkshake.
Molon labe, bitchez. They can have my CocaCola when they pry it from my cold, fat hands.
They can have my CocaCola when they pry it from my cold, fat hands.
lmfao
first they will have to catch me in my hovaround.
you know, if they really eliminated obesity, it would wipe out the pharmacuitical industry and obamacare with it. so whats really going on here?
For those interested in their health
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20141013/Parkinsons-disease-can-migrate...
Parkinson's disease may start in the gut
Parkinson's disease is strongly linked to the degeneration of the brain's movement center. In the last decade, the question of where the disease begins has led researchers to a different part of the human anatomy. In 2003, the German neuropathologist Heiko Braak presented a theory suggesting that the disease begins in the gut and spreads to the brain. The idea has since, despite vocal critics, gained a lot of ground. Researchers at Lund University in Sweden now present the first direct evidence that the disease can actually migrate from the gut to the brain.
The so-called Braak's hypothesis proposes that the disease process begins in the digestive tract and in the brain's center of smell. The theory is supported by the fact that symptoms associated with digestion and smell occur very early on in the disease.
Researchers at Lund University have previously mapped the spread of Parkinson's in the brain. The disease progression is believed to be driven by a misfolded protein that clumps together and "infects" neighboring cells. Professor Jia-Yi Li's research team has now been able to track this process further, from the gut to the brain in rat models. The experiment shows how the toxic protein, alpha-synuclein, is transported from one cell to another before ultimately reaching the brain's movement center, giving rise to the characteristic movement disorders in Parkinson's disease.
"We have now been able to prove that the disease process actually can travel from the peripheral nervous system to the central nervous system, in this case from the wall of the gut to the brain. In the longer term, this may give us new therapeutic targets to try to slow or stop the disease at an earlier stage", says Professor Jia-Yi Li, research group leader for Neural Plasticity and Repair at Lund University.
@A,
Thanks for that. I lost my mother, cousin & friend to that wretched disease. There's many things I'd do over in hindsight. I just completed a 6 day detox that's the 3rd hardest thing I've ever done. The absolute putrified rot that begins in the gut will gag a maggot. Imagine cooking a pot of beans, then potatoes, then pasta & on & on & never washing the pot. By the age of 30 you have far fewer enzymes to digest food. Add the acidic foods...animal proteins & you need HCI for digestion. Amazing being diag'd lactose intolerant, genetic excuse of course, after the detox, NO problem. This is one of many beginnings of potential problems nipped in the bud.
Liver & gallbladder next until stones are passed. Normal bile production is up to 1.5 qts per day. Congested 1 cup. You cannot digest & assimilate even the best of food under those conditions.
See the work of Sir W. Arbuthnot Lane & the reflex effect upon the organs.
John Harvey Kellogg had a sanitorium dealing with such matters way back when. Ironic that Kelloggs is one of the worst junk food manufacturers on the planet.
The Wheat Belly guy, in his latest book, explains that lectins found in grains, and WGA, prevent bile production.
as a 180 lb recently and suddenly type 1 diabetic, that will teach me, when i go hypo and have to take my glucose tabs....thank you oh great negroe..
Pretty soon the .gov will tax good quality beer because it has the potential to cause car wrecks.
That may be true due to gliadin in frankenwheat. IMO it's not the only thing. It's a perfect storm combo. Look at the $$$ Rockenfelter medicine makes off gallbladder removal. You get gallstones in your liver also. This traps bile & it becomes stagnant. I'll spare you the details, but think habanero laced sand.
All this bogeyman cholesterol fear is BS too. The medication prescribed is lethal. Same can be said for sunscreen, unless you blister yourself. Allopathic medicine is meant to keep you in a dis-eased state. You never hear the word cure, just managed. IMO the only thing it's good for is broken, bloody or infected. All else, you better run.
Detoxing off of heroin is worse. Trust me on this.
My hat is off to you if you did wendigo. Never tried it-except in the hospital. DEFINITELY good for pain.
A relative is apparently in the early stages of PD. If it runs in your family there are early signs to look for.
I do a number of things to protect my gut concerning diet, probiotics, etc. but intermittent fasting (every third day) seems to do the most for my health.
I wouldn't touch Kelloggs or the like. My cereal is half and half ground flaxseed and oat bran, salt, butter, and hot water.
I now question the sale of genetics to the populace. I'm more in the field of epigenetics. Does your relative crave sweets?
I did a combo of 2 protocols. I highly recommend "Amazing Liver Cleanse" by Andreas Moritz. Especially pages 48-51 re: PD.
I look at it this way, if you've been diag'd, you've nothing to lose by trying it. It's a grueling heartbreaking disease.
>>>so whats really going on here?
"The purpose of war is not victory...."
- George Orwell (yet again)
WARNING: Anyone about to read deeper into this thread, prepare for some serious Bro Science about carbohydrate, fat and protein consumption. Pay special attention to references to well-funded (wink, wink) studies that in say you have to eat more fat to lower the amount of fat in your body.
Nothing like people making easy money by telling people good things about their bad habits. Ahhh $cience.
Actually, the big money research has been pushing carbs hard for the better part of a century. Governments and government run schools and food sellers and distributors love carbs. They're very cheap, they preserve well, and the customer stays ever hungry for more. Dependency being good, to the point of view the state, and the vast pushers of carbs.
So billions later and we've finally learned many people have shit for brains?
And you share your 'free will' with your gut flora.
C.L. allows his kids to swim in a lake without a lifeguard. Fuck me, arrest him for child endangerment and bad fucking parenting.
On another front, I think Buffey sold his KO so this is okay I guess.
This is absolutely true! I wish more would understand this.
Today I am working on a 340lb 5'9" 55 yr man in ICU. He has MRSA in his blood and numerous medical problems including diabetes, heart disease, COPD and guess what, major depression! The reason he is at my hospital is he had refused to use his CPap and lost consciousness. He has multi organ failure and is critical. His wife is insisting on a full code.
This man is not unusual in my work. This is tragic but self induced. I can't imagine the cost of his care at this point. A tax on sugary drinks won't solve this but line the pockets of the undeserved.
If you want to avoid this fate people, it is in your power. Because I see this everyday, it makes this easy for me. If you want some personal motivation, volunteer at a hospital sometime for a taste of horrifying reality.
Miffed
Yup...my nephew sold orthopedic supplies for a while...he said 90% of the surgeries he watched - particularly knee and hip replacements were on morbidly obese patients...he said the amount of adipose tissue the surgeons had to wade through was nauseating
Great stuff.
Here's another tidbit illustrating the importance of the gut biome:
Eating an animal protein meal (rich in carnitine and choline) causes a spike in blood levels of chemical called TMAO (trimethylamine Oxidase). TMAO is a strong causitive factor in Cardio Vascular Disease. Some researcher suspected the TMAO was being produced by gut bacteria specific to meat eaters so he designed this elegant experiment, somehow convincing a bunch of vegans to participate: There were two groups, previous vegans and meat eaters. Each was served a steak. Blood levels of TMAO were tested after the meal. Result: the meat eaters had the expected spike in blood TMAO; the vegans had NO increase in TMAO. The vegan gut biome didn't contain the population of micro-critters that produce TMAO because they did not provide the food to support that biome.
Fascinating stuff. http://nutritionfacts.org/video/carnitine-choline-cancer-and-cholesterol...
There are plenty of diabetic and heart disease prone obese vegans to explore.
Lowest BMI group is vegans. But the term isn't very good: you can drink TAB & Coke and eat chips and be vegan.
Whole food plant based diet is more descriptive.
Actually, raw vegans are far more healthy than regular vegans. Probably due to the fact chips and coke are excluded. I used to run vitamin assays on serums from people all over the world. Raw vegans were always in the 95+ percentile for antioxidants. However their amino acid profiles were often atrocious even compared to average Americans. Some people can't absorb some essential amino acids from plants is my guess. We recommended those with poor panels to suppliment.
Miffed
Interesting - I've also read that some things are not absorbed raw but are when cooked; that could be part of the problem with the "raw" folks.
"Whole Foods Plant Based" is a phrase coined by Colin Cambell. It is much more meaningful than "vegan" -- which can mean chips and coke.
I'll see if I can get my doc to have a vitamin panel run next time. Is that what it's called? Does that include amino profiles?
We ran a panel of antioxidants including , retinol, tocopherols, beta carotene, coq10, vitamin C ( rarely accurate degrades fast after blood drawn), also selenium, essential and non essential amino acids. The company is no longer in business but I'm sure if you searched there would be some labs that would do it. Working at Pantox opened my eyes to health and I was a sick mess. It was funny to read what suppliments people took. Some downed Vit pills like M&Ms and had flat line detectable antioxidants. Food based vitamins were best but still some people weren't absorbing them. I figured a diet high in plants was best with some meat. So I became a raw vegan that eats meat! ;-)
Ten years later I have none of the chronic diseases that plagued me and killed my father. Plus having a great partner and yoga have rounded out the picture.
I feel so frustrated at my job seeing what I do everyday. I wish I could scream from the roof tops " I have the answer! " but I don't think anyone would listen.
Miffed
Good for you, Miffed. Always appreciate your posts.
Cooking makes some nutrients more available in some greens, I've read (sorry to be vague); also I've read that oil, (as in salad dressing, avocado, nuts or seeds) is critcal for the absorbtion of some nutrients. Other than salads my raw food is a green smoothie consisting of some fruit & greens, with hemp, flax and chia seeds.
I'm also not strict, maybe 95% whole foods plant based.
Here's a piece on raw vs cooked: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/raw-food-nutrient-absorption-3/
Spoiler: he recommends a combination.
Cheers!
As I do yours Bastiat! I always stop to read what you have to say and appreciate your point of view. The old timer ZHers have my respect. A survival of the fittest thing I guess. ;-)
I think you are correct, combo is best to utilize the most nutrition possible. Thanks for the link. I do lightly steam and stir fry when I do cook veggies. So I ain't religious too. And I must admit I do love a good red wine with my meal and for dessert occationally some drop dead good chocolate served with a tawny port or a nice scotch like Oban. Certainly not every night but a maybe once a week. A little bit of hedonism is good for the soul. ;-)
Nice talking with you.
Miffed;-)
Same page on all that!!
dup - too much sugar, ha...(or Not enough:) )
just round up the visually obese and send them to re-education camp or the middle east
go long liposuction
Great legislation when you think about it. There is sugar in everyhting in the supermarket. Likely "zero-calorie" sugar substitutes will be exempt and encourage people to keep consuming them in the face of all the known studies that show these are hormone disruptors that cause people to put on weight. People will get fatter (and stupider because they are also neurotoxins) and this will demand more government action to curb obesity.
the trap sir. always a good reason, but a tax is a tax. bigger gov.org, moar control...is that what you want.
tax blondes cause they are___. brunettes cause they are____ where does it end.
tax the tax. hey man need money for ________...
fuckem.
The game is to create and endless demand for government protection. It's called an extortion racket, and it's only bad when you don't wear a government costume while doing it. You really have to admire that they know what they are doing and now are blatantly putting it in your face.
^ Downvotes are from Diet Coke Addicts.
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
Drug addicts hate to be confronted with the truth. Tell someone you love to stop drinking diet soda today, see what happens.
Bread addicts get particularly mean and desperate during their withdrawal. And it is withdrawal. Peptides produced in the digestion of wheat proteins pass the blood brain barrier with ease and stimulate opiate receptors. Olive garden, like any drug dealer, knows to give out free samples of addictive drugs.
I HATE ANOREXIC WOMAN!!
they don’t swallow...
Not true, the psychology of an anorexic female can be manipulated in your favor. If you'd rather skip the Freudian analysis, find yourself a bulimic.
or just shoot it down the wind pipe. at home i refer to it as entubation. but only after you perform the colonoscopy. and dont forget the surgilube
Thank you El Vaquero, I was trying to figure out how to express what you very eloquently stated!
Notice the government-big ag complex's continuing war against consuming fat. The failure to eat quality animal fats is a primary cause of overeating and obesity in humans. Vegetable oils on the other hand are a raft of inflammation causing omega-6 fatty acids,
Yes, in fact, fresh fruits and vegetables are nothing but sugar/carbohydrate. Just saying...
Nonsense.
On a caloric basis they are (fruits at least). On a nutrient level no. But IF they are going to tax based upon sugar content, then we are going to have to entertain the argument that most fruits do contain large amounts of simple sugars. Vegetables mainly contain more complex carbohydrates but even those are merely storage forms of sugar. Do we need to include starches? Insoluble versus soluble?
So at what point do draw the line? HCFC? Cane? Sugar added versus sugar contained naturally?
Just a giant clusterfuck that the government created because people are too dumb to realize they are a fat fuck and have to have something to blame it on.
In steps the government "doing something" and making a bit of scratch in the process.
pods
yes, thanks pods, this douchebag needs a lesson in Basic Biochemistry.
What about flower nectar and honey, etc.? Totally fucking stupid.
the war on simple carbohydrates.
Now they're going to throw cuffs on me for having a lemon tree in the backyard???
We Big-Gulped some folks
Yup, but the "complex" carbs in big ag grain commodities, which break down very quickly into simple sugars, will be exempt. Its...simple. Civilisation itself, and automatically government, owes its existence to farming of grass seeds. Farming of grass seeds enables civilisation and government. It also enables war. Carbohydrates store well. The packaged food industries love that. As did war nutrition central planners like Ancel Keyes. Who gave WWII troops "K" rations. And also our murderous war on fat and cholesterol.
Yeah, nutrients; and whole foods are digested differently than refined foods.
But the food and ag lobby will kill anything like this, regardless.
Check out the glycemic index of bread, or whole grain bread, Bastiat, versus that of cane sugar. Bread has a higher index than straight table sugar. The "complex" carbs in wheat are broken down very rapidly into glucose in our small intestine. Cane sugar also breaks down rapidly into its component sugars, fructose and glucose, but for all its "simple"-ness, it's a piker compared to whole wheat bread.
I'm aware of that but you cant generalize from wheat (especially modern dwarf hybrid wheat) to all whole grains and certainly not from wheat to fruits (whole fruits). Personaly I avoid sugar, white flour and wheat and the processed foods that are loaded with them.
I may not be able to generalise from wheat, but laboratory chemists are able to, and so are lab technicians measuring the blood sugar and insulin response from eating various grain-based foods. Take rice, please. Even the varieties reputed to contain more resistant starch only contain 25-30 % resistant starch. The rest breaks down into glucose lickety split. As seen on the glycemic index charts. Agree with you that dwarf wheat is probably the worst. It also has permitted humans to make it to 7billion plus malnourished people.
Also, fruits are rather high in free fructose. That is a very simple sugar that doesn't contribute a single point to glycemic index charts. But don't get too excited about that. Only a few cell types in the human body can do anything desirable with circulating fructose molecules. The most import of these are liver cells, which have a means to rejigger the stuff and package the result with newly made LDL cholesterol. Want to spike LDL? Eat fruit. Your liver will get right on it. Meanwhile, free fructose as yet unprocessed by the liver is way better at glycating your LDL protein, which makes it easier to oxidize, and oxidized, glycated LDL is really bad for you. It's the fraction of "cholesterol" that causes so much heart disease, stroke, dementia and so on, by damaging the circulatory system.
There is a big difference between drinking fruit juice and eating fruit whole - as i understand it, the fiber alters the uptake of the sugars. Drinking apple juice is one thing, eating an apple is another.
Got some sources on the fruit is bad for you theme?
The liver has to cope with the fructose, whether it comes in a little faster, or is spread over time(your theory that a whole Apple will slow the fructose absorption) The process produces LDL. Further, I understand that fructose is far more reactive than glucose is when it comes to glycating lipoproteins and other proteins for that matter.
Just tax food with "added sweetners".
Funny thing is that will include things like salad dressings, soups, pasta sauces. I scan labels for HFCS. Heck, at Kroger it was even in all the potato salad in the deli. It is a cheap filler that improves the bottom line.
Maybe a tax would lead to processors reformulating to avoid the spotlight of taxation. Imagine if the whole can of tomato soup was tomatoes, water, salt, etc.
Sugar = Inflammation = Disease
Stop subisidizing it. Tax processed foods that have it added. Don't tax sweeteners sold alone, i.e. sugar, honey, etc. People can add all the sugar they want to their own food.
And while I'm dreaming that TPTB give a good god damn about public health put a little white teaspoon on the front of the label with the number of teaspoons of added sugars in the entire package. It isn't uncommon for there to be multiple names in an ingredient list that all mean sugar.
Really get things rocking and rolling don't allow EBT to be used for these taxable food items.
Yeah, I know, I'm dreaming. Just another tax to steal from the little guy.
And FWIW, people spending their own money should be able to buy all the sugary stuff they want, but I still think clear labeling is the right thing to do.
Kind of like GMO, sure sell it, but put a label on it so people can make an informed choice.
You skeert of the promoter?
Sorry, that should be "some vegtables".
Better asshat?
Much better, douchebag.
If this place has one thing, it has that Irish Bar kind of feeling.
:)
pods
Wouldn't want it any other way.
Fruits and vegetables contain different kind of sugar and carbs... processed food has the bad sugar .. at least the mega doses of fructose corn syrup. In addition .. soil in the US is now depleted of many nutrients .. minerals becxause of the kind of agriculture being done .. foods no longer have the same nutrition .. and canned food even less so.
Fruit has a greater ratio of fructose to glucose ratio than HFCS does. Apple juice is particularly high in fructose. And fructose is fructose. Same stuff whether it comes from an Apple or some industrial process.
Pectin.
yeah a Big Gulp cola is just like broccoli. Idgit
Coconut oil is the exemption. Great stuff, I eat it with a spoon. Long chain fatty acids ar eproceed easily by the liver, it's themedium chain you find in processed foods that you can't digest and get stored away. Animals store all their toxins in their fat, so there is that. (mercury, heavy metals)
Coconut oil is loaded with saturated, but MEDIUM chain triglycerides. MCTs can be metabolized much like a carbohydrate through simple hydrolysis. That is where the benefit lies.
Coconut oil is good to eat, a good topical antibiotic (the C12 triglyceride), and since it is saturated, resists isomerization due to heat.
But is is not composed of long chain triglycerides, nor are they (LCTs) easy on digestion.
pdos
I stand corrected, got my medium confused with my long chain. I tend to exaggerate.
Coconut oil has been demonized by the same people that brought us the big ag food pyramid but if you simply look at any culture that eats alot of coconut oil they done have the rates of obesity and diabetes we do. It's the best oil to cook with hands down. I previosly cooked with olive oil but with a low smoking point it was oxidzing, making my food taste bitter and becoming bad for my heart in the process. Won't make that mistake ever again.
The more you know, right?
Coconut oil, sometimes butter/ghee, for some things olive oil. As I understand it good lard is hard to find, and for it to be better than the deoderized omega 6 crammed vegetable oil it would need to be rendered from a pig that ate a healthy varied diet, not bushels of corn.
Come to Texas and take home a feral hog or two. They haven't been in confined spaces and eating GMOs. Fresh air. Clean living. Varied diet.
Waiting for you.
Coconut is fantastic to cook with, as it has an extremely high smoke point. Being that it is saturated, it also protects it form the cis-trans isomeration.
It is still an oil though, and is nothing more than a source of calories due to fat.
pods
Discovered the stuff a few years back. It's also stable at room temperature for about 3 years. I use the unrefined (coconut smelling) kind, depending on what's cooking and always for popcorn.
My daughter started using it for skin care over a year ago -- she threw out all the other crap and her skin's never been better.
Yep, me and the Mrs. use it for massages.
pods
We have his and her coconut oil jars on our bed stands. I am on a performance improvement plan at work due to my chronic tardiness.
Miffed
Go easy at first with the coconut oil....anything more than a tsp when you first start using it makes you crap like a goose
I don't think you understand how she's using it . .
I was praying he wasn't implying another orifice. I guess I need to be more explicit in my posts for the imaginatively challenged.
Miffed;-)
Heheh. No need to be more explicit, you've got it just right.
Avocado oil is another exception to the "vegetable oils are poison" general rule. Like coconut oil, it resists heat very well, and is low in omega-6 fatty acids, which we get entirely too much of. Yeah, omega-6 oils are "essential" in human nutrition, in a narrow technical sense. But practically speaking, it is hard to invent a plausible diet that wouldn't provide the minimum essential amount NEEDED. Problem. For about a hundred years now, industrial methods for extracting oils from seeds have inundated most of our bodies with omega-6. The edible oils industry and downstream packaged foods and restaurant businesses love that cheap shut. BTW, the French Paradox isn't one. They cook with cream and butter. Which is entirely bereft of omega 6.
Couldn't you just use some flax oil or ubiquinol to balance out the omega 6?
Not exactly.
Animal products are a huge source of inflamation. They contain large amounts of arachidonic acid. Just because they contain less than an extracted oil does not make them healthy. You should look at meats as "almost as bad as drinking oil."
Nutrient deficiency and food addiction are causes of overeating. Your body tries to rid itself of the shitty food we eat and in doing so, we feel like shit. Thus we think we are hungry and eat again, which the body digests instead of fixing itself.
If you want to avoid inflamation, get your omega 3 to omega 6 ratio in order. Eating any animal product (loaded with AA) is doing the opposite of what you are trying to do,
http://www.reducing-inflammation.com/arachidonic_acid.html
(overview of what AA does to your body)
pods
Interesting statement, if true, that animal fat is loaded with AA. That would make sense if we are speaking of grain fed animal: When humans consume omega6, some part of it is converted to AA, which is indeed toxic, and which our fat cells incorporate into triglycerides in our nation's burgeoning rolls of fat. Thing is, what I have been able to find about the fatty acids breakdown of grain vs grass fed animals doesn't show much difference in AA % in the flesh. Including here beef, but also grain fed "farmed" salmon.
AA is not toxic per se, but our overconsumption of meat products leads to a ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 ratios that are highly toxic and are a good cause (or correlation) with our society having issues with chronic inflammation.
I am not going to try and tell you what to eat, but this religion about grass fed free range talked to at night well cared for beef is just another way to justify your liking of eating it. (its fine, I love steak too)
When you start to consume more than 5-10% of your daily caloric intake from animal products, you start to see all sorts of cancers and all other bad stuff pop up.
If you are interested, you can read some here. Again, not trying to tell you what to do, just trying to give people infomation that allows an informed decision.
http://www.drfuhrman.com/
Every assertion is pulled from literature and is footnoted.
pods
No. The primary source of omega6 in the Standard American Diet is comes from plants, not animals. The recent spike in human omega6/omega3 ratios derives from the recent massive introduction of industrially extracted seed oils to the food chain. Soybean oil. Cottonseed oil. Grapeseed oil. Rapeseed(i.e. "Canola") oil. Corn oil.
Oh I agree that oils are the number one source of it (I put oils and milk in the meat category). But saying omega 6 fats comes from plants due to consuming oils is like saying you love a free range Hot Pocket. If we actually ate plants our levels would be fine, but we do not eat plants anymore.
I just do not agree that eating any kind of meat (except wild fresh caught cold water fish) will help with that ratio. (and most people do not actually eat any fat in fish anyhow)
I have been supplementing for years with a couple sources of omega 3 fats. Be it krill based oils or flax (ground flax is a staple).
RBD oil is something awful. But even the healthiest of oils is still oil and devoid of most everything except calories.
pods
Flax, hemp seeds and chia all good Omega 3 sources.
Um, there are a lot of different fatty acids in the fats and oils category, and our bodies are built in part out of them. The brain, in particular, is quite fatty. Lotta DHA in particular, but also a lot of other fat derived compounds in the cell membranes. Fats are anything but mere calories.
Correct again. Not sure where our disagreement comes from, (except maybe on the dangers of a ketogenic diet). We have loaded our kids with DHA and ALA for the ALA-EPA-DHA pathway.
But oil IS merely calories. It has been stripped of all nutrients.
It is extremely difficult to deliver an omega 3 fat in oil form without degrading the molecule. They are super fragile.
So yes, I do see oils as merely calories, unless it has been processed under special conditions.
Fats and oils obtained from whole food sources are light years better than through the processed oil.
pods
Who down voted you .. you are exactly right .. add the antibiotics and steroids in most meat produced in the US .. adds another layer of problems. studies indicate depletion of soils of nutrients and minerals http://www.wellness-vitality.com/mineral-article.html
Antibiotics in US food ... http://www.cdc.gov/narms/animals.html
Now that countries in Asia are sending product to the US .. we get a double whammy some of the worst food imports now come from Asia ... where fish farms abound and so does massive use of antibiotics and other rrap . literally CRAP
I wish I could 100 upvote this! Edit to add: (At least the one I thought I was replying to.)
Government are the ones who suggested we eat this crap circa 1980. They created the obesity problem.
The Rube_Goldberg aspect is to hide the thing they don't want you to notice (in plain sight) ... a proposal for a new permanent FEDERAL SALES TAX... just on "junk" food (to begin with & for the children)... since I didn't notice any suggestion to reduce the income tax by some offsetting amount - it would just be MOAR THEFT.
Dr. Robert Lustig is very likely one of the persons who has been lobbying for this tax. He even went to law school to be able to better lobby for a tax on sugar. Heard him say it in a recent interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfXggPJY30k
Dr. Lustig is not the first person from the UC system to propose taxation on dietary substances. There was another one a couple of years ago who wanted to tax salt.
u da smartest! how u not preznit?
Much better to stop the subsidies to sugar and corn. Simple.
Hey, here's a novel idea, why not just stop stuffing your piehole with crap?
Jesus these pukes know no bounds. Create problem, then create bigger problem by fixing the first problem.
Fucking government.
pods
I agree with most of your comments, but why do you feel the need to post your handle at the end of them? We can all see your handle already...
I am kind of an asshat, and have been doing that since I started ranting on forums many moons ago.
And you are not the first to call me out on looking like a douche, so it's all good. :)
pods
I'm with you pods,
Somehow I think it vestigial from formal writing long ago and forgotten. I am inclined to include Dear in my preface but that does seem awkward in modern day blogging.
Sincerely in friendship,
Miffed;-)
I am Funnybot.
Coffee on the keyboard there. No sugar in it though. Recently read the book "Fat Chance" good book. Basically says there is no metabolic purpose for sugar and it is just as addictive as anything and should probably be a controlled sustance, but it's cheap and makes everything taste better.
They should just put a scull and crossbones or a picture of a fat naked person on everything with sugar added and the note that it will kill you.
Do a little homework/research on the only fuel that your brain cells can use.
Well, that's the real end-game here, isn't it? Ultimately shutting down brain cells.......
Schlerotic carotid arteries will do that too.
Did you just see how statins are now implicated in calcification of arteries? My dad just had his sleeved out due to this. Hmmm, he's been on statins for years.
pods
Too funny, statins also lower coQ10 from the body, critical for heart function. Sometimes I can just cry at the ludicrousness of big Pharm.
Miffed
In a recent year, prescribed pharmaceuticals were the 6th leading cause of death in the US - and this does not include overdose or misuse.
No I didn't see that. They'll never get me on that crap. Diet, excercise, stress management. If that won't do it, c'est la vie or c'est la mort.
Dear Laws, only a relatively tiny number of central nervous system cells Require glucose to function well. The rest of them function very well on ketone bodies. The little bit of glucose that is necessary for the handful of cells that will die without can be, and regularly are, provided by breaking down the glycerol backbone of...fat. This is how and why it works out to be true that Carbohydrates are not essential in human nutrition.
Ketones work well for brain food.
1) drive up price of real food.
2) allow private corporations to produce hybrid food / garbage for public consumption without care for safety or sustainability but to maximize profits.
3) charge a tax on the back end when an increasing number of poorly educated ( or merely brainwashed ) folks are cornered into eating more cheap shit food, or food with additives etc which make them sick.
Be it by accident or consiracy the results should not be surprising. Nice of the government to get their fair share though.
This is the nutritional equivalent of charging people a carbon tax because private corporations pollute.
Here's your stinking food for ya, ya animals:
http://naturalsociety.com/report-finds-eating-2500-tons-fake-food/
they'll have to charge an environmental disposal fee for food soon like they do when you get your oil changed.
Highly confused on this one...first they say anyone who trys to eat heathly has mental problems and now they want to tax unhealthy eaters because it's bad....which one is it??
I thought that it was hoarding food that won you that distinction. I wasn't aware that it extended to healthy foods. Either way, according to the government, you're supposed to prep for potential emergencies, but if you prep for emergencies, you're a potential terrorist.
http://www.dailyrapid.com/2015/02/officials-declare-eating-healthy-a-men...
They are going to extend their definition of mental disorder to include people who prefer eating real nutritious food. Only in this bass ackwards country can every single person have a mental disorder.
Wow, I thought this was a satire piece at first.
""I broke down crying once because I could taste so many different flavors, and I didn't know what they all were or where the ingredients were sourced," she says."
--http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/health/orthorexia/
I dunno... maybe there is something to it? That is really funny!
When they declare everyone to be crazy, they will have an excuse to take away everyone's guns. But control freakery and extreme greed will never be declared mental disorders, and even if they were, the elites would ignore their own laws. Laws are for the little people.
Yes, psychiatry has always been about social control. Check out Szasz.
There actually are people who are patholically obsessed with food. The key is where you draw the line: how you determine what is pathological, obsessive and what is a reasonable effort to take responsibility for ones own health. Citing a lot of research could be taken, by the biased person as obsessive and inability to cite research could be characterized as irrational. Normally people eat what they are socialized to eat. In a modern society that is no longer trustworthy due to processed foods and advertising. If you don't take a serious interest in what's healthy and change your habits as needed, you will pay, and pay more down the road.
If you spend more than an hour per day watching "food shows" on television, you have a serious mental disturbance.
But then if you spend more than an hour per day watching anything on television you're pretty borderline already.
But the government continues to recommend lots of healthy whole grains. Which are mostly made of a type of carbohydrate that breaks down very very quickly into...sugar. Glucose. Blood sugar. Which causes a spike in insulin, which causes lots of new fat to be stored. Until the blood sugar crisis is overcome and blood sugar drops too low, and you are hungry again. Like, every two hours or so, just as packaged food makers like it.
Fuck that. Don't eat grass seeds. You don't have four stomachs. You are not a ruminant. You are designed to consume lots and lots of fatty animal flesh, nuts, some root tubers, and fruit when it's in season.
Rice is a grass seed, so far its worked out well for over 5000 years. Still even cavemen eat over 2 quarts of food in a single meal. Really, look up "Iceman" grains and meat.
So its not the quantity of food that makes you fat nor is it the fat and grains that make you fat. Its the chemistry of industry that creates patentable products for profit that creates things that do not exist in nature because only the un-natural is patenable. So its the un-natural that you end up eating as if it where food.
Uh, before farming, humans ate very little grass seeds. 5000 years of eating rice coincides with 5000 years of civilisation. Civilisation has had its upside, but fueling ourselves on sugar...and rice is a sugar bomb from bell...has not been a pure good. For tens of thousands of years before farming, humans ate very little grass seeds and quite a lot more fatty animal flesh, root tubers, nuts and so on. That what evolution tuned us for until very recently. The guy found in the glacier in the Alps belongs to the far more recent era.
Twinkie making class in 3... 2... 1...
"Up until 1984, in New Zealand a doctor’s prescription was required to purchase margarine"
Socialists merely opportunistically changing their venue!!
come on!! all those O'care burocrats have to get paid somehow!!
Some of the best butter in the world is produced in New Zealand.
LOL. Have you noticed that the majority of government workers (directly as well as indirectly via mostly/fully government funding, including medical industry complex) are fat?!
I submitted the following long ago upon the passage of our beloved Obamacare:
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Dear Senator Feinstein,
Thank you for your help to pass the Affordable Care Act and your progress to improve healthcare and insurance regulations. However, we need to improve on the area of helping to keep the costs from raising too rapidly.
Please consider my humble suggestion of a progressive overweight/obesity fee or state-instituted "insurance premium" on obesity. I believe that it would help our population in the following ways:
1.By incentivizing healthier eating and exercising habits via "preventative" and progressive fees (or "insurance premiums") for obesity as a proactive approach to fighting the "war on obesity."
2.By providing additional funding to any state program that assists with the regulation and tracking of obesity.
3.By ultimately lowering healthcare and insurance costs with an overall healthier population. Perhaps you could view this as with the similar success of the anti-tobacco campaign to drastically reduce smoking.
4.By providing much needed jobs as such a program could potentially create a new "health regulation" industry to supplement healthcare and insurance.
The possibilities could be endless. The regulation of weight could be kept private and conducted as part of the DMV as different weight classes with more frequently updated driver licenses (or IDs) and then even enforced at the food distribution endpoints (markets, restaurants, etc.) much like how vendors must check IDs for the purchase of alcohol and tobacco.
Sincerely,
Neo Galt
Let them start going at each other, LOL.
Yeah, right, it's about fatties. "Some folks" just want more revenue to misspend.
Gubmint: get the fuk outta my face, get the fuk off my back and keep ur fukn bureacratic mitts out of my wallet... and BTW fuk u and the fudgepacker liar in chief u came in on.
This is so obviously just a tax-grab using the excuse of nutrition/obesity. When will people put a stop to this bullshit? So next we'll have a tax for blocking the sun's rays with your head and causing global warming/cooling/whatever. And the worst part of it is so many people I talk to are enthusiastic supporters of this kind of tripe.
This is just a way of clawing back some of those sweet sweet EBT bennies.
A) Refined sugars are terrible for human health when consumed in high amounts
B) Nanny states are terrible for the human condition
C) Humans have the power to make their own choices
D) Free markets are imperfect but far better than the alternative, and clearly superior to Big Brother
Spot on. Unfortunately, logic and evidence based decision making have no place in the statist playbook.
"Humans have the power to make their own choices."
Except this isn't true, the majority of humans do whatever is the observed norm. Humans women and dummies especially are incredibly susceptible to propaganda(advertising) and people do not always act in their self interest.
Fat positivity and people are beautiful at any weight is being pushed in the media more than ever.
Woman are being told that fat is beautiful, big butts are the rage, it's all genetics anyway.
Media is far more powerful in shaping the bodies of today than any little fat tax will resolve.
Here is what you do:
Shame fatties, promote beauty, health and fitness. Stop showing fat people on tv, make being fat something to be ashamed of. Call fat people lazy, ugly and gross. Re-institute more recess and gym in schools. Stop teaching kids to eat carbs (which they still do).
Oh btw if you are fat, get off your fat ass and stop being a lazy disgusting slob.
This would all go much further to curbing obesity than any tax.
You know, your "live healthy" screed would be much more convincing if you weren't promoting saline tits. You're doing your part to fuck with people's sense of what a normal healthy body looks like, but you want to shame the fat? It's never worked; it's tried all the time with no success; you are just an asshole.
Just another new way to scam money from taxpayers
'And the poorist people - who can't afford to eat the way the government dictates - will pay all the taxes?'
Business as usual........