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Does this mean the real bank runs start now?
Fuck the EU. Fuck the EUR! I don't care who does it -- burn this fucking thing to the ground.
NEIN NEIN NEIN ~ Is that like, '666' upside down?
it's five times no, and a way for this German newspaper to highlight that they think Schäuble is being too hard in his negotiating stance
Fucking hell, all you had to do was to upvote the silly comedy offering & END IT!
Dammit.....I don't speak German....what the hell does that mean?
If the Germans had their way you would be speaking German. Just sayin'
Yeah.....it was pretty damn close.
Well ~ maybe I'm not speaking German, but it sure seems like the Nazi's got their way in the USSA
Neocons are just another version of Nazis........
ZioCons?
TAZ newspaper is ultra left/communist, they are not representative for Germany
Left, liberal but not ultra left/communist.
There is no difference. Showing that there was no difference is what got Senator McCarthy blacklisted by them.
Who zaid Zermans haf no jemour?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-VM5wqzhWY
the Nazi's got their way in the USSA
I just knew Operation Paperclip was a bad idea.....I just knew it.
It was a good idea for the Nazis. They saved their precious bodily fluids.
Saving bodily fluids.
Good times.
This is beautiful. Germany should never have been in the business of lending Greece anything but charity. People should never be in the business of lending money to their government's. If by some miracle your government employee is starving let charity remedy their afflictions.
I fully encourage Spain, France and any other country that received the loaned money to fully default . America should never have lean't money to Mexico - Mexico should default. Every country in the world is overdue for a full default. Never again should the governments of the world pander their socialist ideas via structured and indentured debt. Never again should any government protect their mismanagement with the T-Bill or bond, ban these instruments for eternity!
FUCK EM RIGHT IN THE ..
you forgot to mention The Vampire Squid Firmly Attached To The Face Of Humanity, didn't you?
Here is the biggest problem in the world. People will not rise to their own responsibility. As a test I ran an ad in Odesk looking for programmers that would move forward in a programming collective, or programming cooperative. It mean't that everyone would donate their time to write the code, and receive a portion of the profits in relation to the portion of code that they wrote. A perfect balance of reward for effort, as some projects that make money are simply beyond the resources of a single individual to write.
Did I get *any* interest at all? No!!!
But these same programmers that cannot work together to achieve anything will gladly sell their skillsets out for as low as $3/hr just to undercut everybody else in the room.
So they *all* stay perpetually trapped to trying to undercut each other, meanwhile anyone with money could hire the lot of them and get the to write the same code for 1/10th of what they would of made had they did it as a collective.
*this* scales to every situation.
Invalid experiment. You're asking people who need a paycheck right now to wait months for the vague promise of some (or maybe no) compensation months or years in the future? Wasn't there a report recently about half the people facing serious hardship if they missed their next paycheck? What's more, in an era where trust is breaking down all around us, you're asking people to pull together in a high-trust relationship with people they've never met, who have an unknown skill level?
Socialists never think anything through in that level of detail it is all passed over in blind ignorance in favor of the goal. Real needs and motivations of people are never important to a Socialist. Which is why force is so often used to achieve their goals.
Yes this scales to every situation.
Wasn't there a report recently about half the people facing serious hardship if they missed their next paycheck?
So?? Do you see anything wrong with that?
I mean do you now declare that "normal" - as TPTB are very happy to distort the overall picture so much, that even the most basic experiment seems to become Invalid
If I read an ad asking me to donate my time in return for some vague promise of an undefined portion of future profits, I'd treat it like the scam that it was also.
I agree that there is a serious lack of drive and willingness to work hard in general in the United States, but this example is terrible. I've had no trouble filling positions when I've been upfront and clear about the job requirements and compensation. The percentage of useless eater applicants has risen dramatically over the years, but again, it's been no problem to find a good employee.
Now our anecdotal test set is n=2, which is still pretty meaningless.
Sounds like a scam.
HEAR HEAR! +1
Now this I agree with. Germany knew, factually, that Greece could never pay this money back. Ergo, it was a gift. All sovereign lending is unsecured anyway. Agreed, fuck 'em.
That's the beauty of central banks ......... they borrow money from the market ..... so they can default ! A firing squad woudl fix it !
If the Germans had their way you would be speaking German. Just sayin'
If the Millennials had been the ones to fight in WWII we would now be speaking Germanese.
You can't condemn the moderate germans because of the actions of a few individuals who are not real germans.
Germany is a country of peace.
Yes really surprised the ZH crowd still goes with the mainstream history propaganda of Hitler/Nazi = pure evil ignoring the far worse crimes of the Allied leaders all of whom were responsible for the mass murder of far more innocent civilians
If this were true, then why did the Germans allow the English and French armies to escape across the English Channel after they had been decimated by Blitzkreig? The Germans had them surrounded and could have ended the war by crushing them, so why didn't they do it? I'm not buying "it was a Military blunder". If they really wanted the world to speak German they would not have hesitated to wipe out their opposition when they had the chance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnu5uW9No8g
This documentary has opened my eyes more than anything else, it is incredible. Germany, Italy and Japan were all against central banking and Usury. That is why we were all taught to think Hilter was a monster, because he started the movement. History is always written by the winners, the Allies/NATO are the current winners. The German regime has been a puppet since 1945. Take some time to hear Germany's side of the story. We've only heard one side all of our lives.
Original documents of the time indicate Hitler and the German High Command were surprised by the British withdrawal and didn't know it was happening until they were gone and it was too late to stop them. The Brits did not tell their French and Belgian allies they were leaving either.
Later on the Germans were all like "ah, we could have caught them but we let them get away, yeah that's the ticket".
I'll Bite. Criticism one: 6 and a half hours is a lot to ask someone to watch, its called editing to make a concise point, hold peoples attenction etc. Two: Hitler does have that whole extermination of the Jews thing to overcome before he will start to get any good press, ever.
Hope that helps your confusion as to why Hitler will never be a popular guy this side of Hell.
Yawn , see what I mean , Hitler = extermination of the jews, 6 million etc etc . The propaganda is strong . As Adolf himself said "no one will ask the victors if they told the truth "
thank you, but I still have some hope that serious comments come back, here. all this pseudo-comedy goes in the way of serious fighting about serious issues, with real arguments
To accomplish what my friend? The powerless argue. The powerful just do.
"hey who else could go for some FLAPJACKS around here?"
~Ralph
Too early for flapjacks?
Comedy aside. (& more to the point of Mr. Ghordius). Yes quite. There was a day when things like mathematical asymmetrical impossibilities were discussed in a serious way around here. But those discussions were eventually neutered.
With regards to the issue imbedded in this particular thread. If anyone wants a serious discussion, you end up having to dig down a very deep rabbit hole. The problem with this (& just about EVERY rabbit hole of issues discussed here in this Groundhog Day manipulated financial paper derivative world), is that as you dig, you eventually wind up back at the 'mathematical asymmetrical impossibility' conundrum way down at the bottom of the hole.
Alas, we've been reduced to comedy
EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!
"Alas, we've been reduced to comedy". One word: agency. You have a choice. For example to reduce yourself to a passive victim... or not
Who said anything about being 'passive'?. I eventually engaged your issue directly. I'm still HERE aren't I?
The discussion on this site is not just "neutered"...but also far more one-sided than it used to be. If you aren't pro-gold or pro-russia you have little support here.
With regards to Greece, one has to wonder if Goldman designed this mess over a decade ago to both profit for itself but to also really stick it to Germany in the most pathological way. It would be an epic middle finger...the headlines should read "Germany declares war on Goldman".
I don't care if anybody is on my side or not on issues. With regards to sarc & comedy, I tend to consider those somewhat universal [to people who sport a sense of humor], but that's just my opinion & others may have theirs as well.
On the subject of Goldman designing messes.
If you read between the lines [and with specific regards to the abovementioned 'rabbit holes' and previously neutered conversations]. YES. Your shovel will have been put to use and you'd be digging in the right direction on that assumption.
Comment as you desire, whether or not supported.
"support" ...lol
You are very wise.
“Power must be taken, it is never given.”
- William Powell
if it was so, why do the powerful spend so much on propaganda? the real power of the powerful over the powerless is in keeping them befuddled, full of lies, half-lies and deceit
even goats have to be led. it's sheep that have to be driven. Be at least a goat, in this Year of the Goat. I know I have power, I have changed things. So can you, if you know where to apply pressure
knowledge is power. and the difference between the powerful and the powerless is... knowledge
I see what you did there. First you speak of arguing, then you say knowledge.
Maybe it is all semantics, but very few people who ARGUE are looking for KNOWLEDGE. Nor are they interested in spreading KNOWLEDGE. What I find most often is they are interested in winning and making points, of using verbal blunt force trauma to overpower their opponent. Truth, lies, knowledge, myth: these are all just words, techniques and methods used to win.
then be one of the few, and do argue while looking for knowledge
the Chinese have a saying about one tiger and a million ants. which is more powerful? now, what would the tiger argue for if it has to fight the ants?
that the ants coordinate or that each and every one follows it's own path, and tries to be as individual as possible?
Rarely do I see those who argue coordinating anything other than their next verbal barrage to send over the fence. There is no learning involved when arguing other than learning how to argue in order to win.
The act of arguing is verbal warfare. No one who is arguing is looking to join forces. Rather they are attempting to get the other side to capitulate to their way of thinking. Or at the very least to win the crowd and the trophy.
Arguing is an escalation of debate, where at least debate has some understood rules of engagement. Even then debate is about verbal dexterity and scoring. If one is accomplished enough they can debate both sides of the topic. Does that mean both sides are equally valid?
CD, in most human squabbles... both sides are equally valid. Remember that nobody is a villain in his own eyes, and seldom in his mother's eyes
take this article: it's a German newspaper on the left criticizing Schäuble for being too hard on his stance. but it's an initial stance, prior to a long bargaining session
so no, Germans are not "Germans, period", they do differ on this issue
gold! putin! fuck O and Jamie! And double fuck to Bernanke (Mr Yellen)
^^^^^how many upvotes did that get me?
I like Ghordius' arguement better.
CD sees, and appears to epitomize, arguement in emotional terms, Ghordius sees arguement as principled counterpoint to lies and disinfo.
in most human squabbles... both sides are equally valid
So in other words some are not equally valid for both sides.
Did you forgot to explicitly point out that you naturally know which ones that are?
In the end you're posting half-assed assessments using elastic definitions, resulting in meaningless bullshit as most of the time.
That's cool with me, just don't try to pose for something bigger than life here.
Back to Schäuble:
Everybody who has watched him for 10 years and still hasn't categorized him as a pure psychopath is pretty hopeless to begin with.
I don't need to cheer a very left-leaning newspaper (nor any other strongly tilted newspaper) for starting to use propaganda to try to bend the opinions of the sheeple into a better direction (not convince them), in the way of "two wrongs to make it right"
Are any sides necessary Cog?
Sides are the mental trap that makes objective disinterest and civilization's survival ultimately unworkable.
The validity of sides is a gratuitous presumption. The guy in the huge crowd is not taking a side. Did he start and support the war? Or did the people who took a side? Who will threaten you, the people who take a side, or the people who don't, and won't?
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@Ghordius:
"All I have in this world, are balls, and my word."
Power = balls + trust. Knowledge is just a tool in the tool box, no different than a gun or a pretty face.
I have to admit defeat, on this point. Insofar that if I had to choose between balls/trust without knowledge and knowledge without balls/trust, I'd take the former over the latter. But I'd still try to have both
Ghordius, Thanks for your forceful words. Knowledge is indeed power if you know how and where to apply it. It is akin to practicing financial martial arts - you use the opponents' own weight, momentum and power against them. I tested this over 3 years in an obscure, yet central, venue with respect to the massive financial fraud.
Our loose band of confederates used the techniques you described nearly to perfection against an oligarchical power that had never known defeat and they allowed us to prevail in stunning manner. No one on ZH will ever learn of it because the oligarch controls the media.
I grew weary of the battle because the ostracism, ridicule, and pervasiveness of corruption. More than that, my compatriots were not dependable. People begged me to not quit, but quit I did. It is one thing to rail on ZH about macroeconomics and corruption on a national or global level but another to confront it in a locale that is an unrecognized epicenter of The Great Financial crisis.
You are right and we proved it on a small scale. HOWEVER, there aren't enough people with the willpower and tenacity to save the world with even this mighty technique.
In the USA, people have welded themselves to the sinking ship captained by crooks, fools, and charlatans.
Good point.
What Cog says there has me wondering why he wants to participate in commentary in an un-moderated forum if he feels there's no need for functional commentary to be able to take place? If people can't think clearly, nor understand freely, the outside expression of that, is still going to occur. If we are constantly led about by befuddling propaganda and manipulation of emotions, plus stampeded into a version of 'right' and 'wrong', we sure won't be thinking clearly, nor understanding freely, any time soon.
And the NET external result will be what the NET internal result is.
Wellcome back !
This has been going on for years. I'm all out of arguments. Peak fatigue on this one.
One After Nein Oh Nein!
Perhaps, the first time ever in history, an emerging market country - South Africa - has fined a giant European bank - Deutsche bank - for not following anti money laundering rules.
Deutsche Bank Fined $857,000 in South Africa for Rules Breaches
Straight from the South African Reserve Bank site:
Administrative sanctions imposed on Deutsche Bank AG Johannesburg Branch and Capitec Bank Limited........
yawn. what has the EU to do with the EUR with this issue of Greek debt? it could be denominated in USD or gold and it would still make little difference
as a reminder, the whole thing about this creditor/debtor thing is how many percentage points of budget surplus the Greek government is willing to concede
savour the words: budget surplus. it's the opposite of debt
I'm glad you're back. We all assumed you IN THE FIGHT OF YOUR LIFE to put together ways to spin the upcoming, ehrm, problems, in a positive light.
He appears to be OK.....he's yawning.
Never let them see you sweat....even if you are.
I don't know if I have any reason to be glad to be back. but I don't see any comment that is even worth of a fight, today. you can't apply logic or even spin to wishes
what we have today is a dozen-plus finance ministers of sovereign countries bitching in a room about sovereign debt. so much for the "EU superstate" legend
I maintain it's all about budgets. being an eurozone member means minding your budget. raising new debt implies similar constraints
the opposite of debt is... living within your means. unsustainable debt means, eventually, defaults (or debt forgivings, which are being done on a yearly basis, for Greece)
there is no positive light in all this for those who believe Dr. Krugman's War Of The Worlds and Grow Your Way Out By Smashing Windows
and I have no patience anymore for all those wishes for smashed windows for the sake of smashed windows
Ghordo, we don't need to fight. You love the EU and I hate it. You love the EUR and I hate it. No need to fight. We have established our positions pretty clearly.
Sure this is a sovereign problem, amoung sovereign states about their budgets. The problem is -- it is just one currency, thus a bankruptcy in one can have huge negative effects on the other. But I don't need to explain the run-on effects to you.
You are fully aware of them. Lets just be friends. We don't have to share a currency to be friends and get along. :)
I neither love the EU nor the EUR. Both are responses. Ugly responses to ugly pressures. Including a US Stock Market that desperately has to go up, or else
meanwhile, you don't have to share a currency with me. You live in the eurozone, you can convert to gold or to a private currency, something that is allowed, here
You can pay taxes in a private currency or gold in the EU?
We have no reason to fight,
'cause we both know that we're right. - Supertramp
Ghordo
If one owes money one is not sovereign.
considering that in the whole history of the world most sovereigns were borderline broke and dodging creditors or defaulting... no
Like the U.S.?
U.S. is a corporation. [but I'm sure you already knew that].
Without getting into all the eventual details about terms like 'soverign' & 'citizenry', 'UCC' law. 'Maritime Law', etc...
It strikes me as relevant that ALL OF THE ABOVE are, in the end, bound to arbitrary acknowledgements of so called 'legal' scripts, documents, & precedents. NONE OF WHICH has anything to do with what one might call NATURAL LAW.
Sure, some authority wielding conclave of authoritarians might impose force upon any individual [whether to imprison, enslave, or kill] for what they arbitrarily concluded was a breach of law. But if, as an individual, you decide you want to go to the mat, NOBODY can ever take your freedom.
I maintain it's all about budgets. being an eurozone member means minding your budget. raising new debt implies similar constraints
Let us assume you do not have the power to print your own money, do you think it is easier to "mind your budget" with a weak currency or a strong currency? Don't you think Germany has a bit of an advantage with the Euro being much weaker than the D-Mark used to be in comparison to other European currencies? Don't you think it is a bit unfair of the Germans to run around telling others off to "mind their budget" while themselves having record low interest payments on debts since decades, being export world champion year after year after year thanks to hard work of course, but also thanks to a much too weak Euro-currency and to practically no real wage growth of the German middle class? Germany is not "better" than the other Eurozone members and has no right to tell the others off and Greece is not worse. They are both just very very different. This is why they should have never shared a currency! Whose idea was that anyway??
This is not all that simple as in "mind your budget"...
you fail to recognize that it's not "the Germans". every eurozone members has people that want to mind the budgets. hence the treaties. the German Finance Minister is just the loudest
yes, it does start with "mind your budget". if you don't, you have to take up debt
Greece has a choice. to stay in the balanced budgets currency union or to leave it. all the rest is just quibbling on terms during a bargaining session
You know that isn't 'true', the inter-fucking of Greece with core Europe banks complicates that choice into a range of implications that can be extremely damaging for all. Greece's walking away will be seen as a highly hostile act of a grand user that harmed core-Europe. The bailouts have all been about Greece not doing that, and this is why the effort and haircuts have all been made. If they go ahead and leave, Greece will be kicked so hard in the balls so often that they'll be walking knock-kneed for the rest of this century. They will need to get used to being gutter trash and pissed on and spat at, often. For all the crap that gets said in here about Merkel and Co., the current Germany is the 'nice' Germany, and people should take that on board, because you do not want to see not-nice Germany.
(and if anyone feels like giving me a red for saying that could you please just do it and fuck off, I really don't wish to hear more of the same crap - cheers)
Element, +1.
Agree on "the inter-fucking of Greece with core Europe banks complicates that choice into a range of implications that can be extremely damaging for all "
Disagree on "Greece's walking away will be seen as a highly hostile act of a grand user that harmed core-Europe"
the right of walking out of any european club is never in discussion, regardless of the implications, and can't be seen as a hostile act for itself
that's sovereignty as understood in Europe, aka Westphalian Sovereignty
I don't question their right or sovereignty, they have that, I just know the result will be that people and countries will hold it against them.
Well without the EUR the greeks would just devalue - plus they never would have gotten money as cheaply as they did in the early 2000s and wouldnt have accumulated this unsustainable debt load in the first place. So yes - this whole mess is only the EURs fault.
And, yah: budget surplus the opposite of budget deficit - not of debt.
if you devalue, doesn't this also rob the savers in the country? and is debt which does pay very little interest (until 2023) unsustainable?
"this whole mess is only the EURs fault" NO. this whole mess is the fault of fraud. done through derivatives, peddled by the Squid. "hiding" your debt has nothing to do with the currency
if you have a budget deficit, you have to find new creditors for new debt. difficult concept?
Exactly, the relation between Greece - EU is akin to drug addict - drug dealer. Which one is being punished harder?
is it so? then why is the Greek debt by the EU countries without interest until 2023, and is being "restructured" every year? did the EU countries push this debt or was it a banking cabal led by the Squid?
ask Ireland. ask Portugal. what's their stance, currently?
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I will get close to the top.
Over/under on whether this will be declared a "credit event"?
Not a chance. I am sure that those details have already been negotiated out by the Banksters. Don't forget EU QE to make up any CDS shortfalls.
The Germans now are in a very difficult position because they don't want to show that they retreat, they fear that the experiment may end for good since the other countries of the periphery will ask for further relief from the cruel austerity. The German leadership is being pressed also by the US leadership to retreat from the hard austerity line, as the Americans see a serious danger for Greece to slip towards the Sino-Russian bloc.
ROFL
"as the Americans see a serious danger for Greece to slip towards the Sino-Russian bloc."
Otherwise, Fuck The EU?
Fuck the EU (c) Nuland - i fixed for you, no thanks needed
We've enrolled her in some aggression classes....she's progressing nicely.
Aggression classes = marine corp. bootcamp?
Somethng to do with mind control and super solder crap....I'm not clear on the details.
the slipping towards the Sino-Russian bloc is as much a Greek bluff as something of substance.
that's not discounting they may actually go there of course, but only as a result of running out of straws rather than some formulated plan.
...and Russia would be more than happy to play the part just to jab at the west, of course
"Americans see a serious danger for Greece to slip towards the Sino-Russian bloc."
So the US want's to bail out the PIIGS now through a back-door. Why not? The Federal Reserve already knows that nobody is paying attention to them printing trillions upon trillions of dollars. And that on a mark-to-market basis their bankrupt.
Then there's the IMF and their SDR alternative fiat. Jumping from one failed fiat to a new one to start the game over again.
All you have to do is look at the map. Locate Crimea, Black Sea, Turkey, Istanbul, Canal trhough Turkey, Ageran Sea and finally the Eastern Med. Now toss in a Russian Navy base in Greece and look who has a very strong presence in the Middle East, Southern Europe, Northen Africa. Can you say oil and pipelines?
And for the icing on the cake Russia gets to flip a NATO member in retaliation for NATO flipping a few Eastern European countries.
THE GAME OF THRONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
European Central Bank preparing for Greece to exit euro: Spiegel newspaper
The European Central Bank is preparing for a departure of Greece from the euro zone and its staff are preparing contingency plans on how the rest of the bloc could be kept intact, German news magazine Spiegel reported in a preview of its magazine.
Popcorn ready for this weekend.
This is 2/20/2015 G-Day !
Grexit will enter the lexicon.
If I ate all of the popcorn I've had ready in anticipation for the coming shit show, I'd be as big as Honey Boo Boo.
What, Germany has balls?
Hard to believe. This is just more posturing.
100 years later, Germany is still bitter about losing the war.
What will Merkel say after the Greeks schtup her for the 8th time?
She will say, "nine!"
Is the two lightning bolts supposed to signify him as a Nazi?
Yeah probably. TAZ is an extremely leftist newspaper, they call everyone a Nazi who thinks that Germany has any legitimate interests of its own.
I thought it was an enfeebled Zeus throwing down lightening from a Mt Olympus of Euros.
'Zeus' Rothchild.
Nein?!? I'd settle for seven or eight!
Not if you were James Bond playing Baccarat
"NEIN NEIN NEIN"
Sounds like a Republican slogan to me..... Hmmm...
Ah, yes.
"The 9–9–9 Plan, a centerpiece of Herman Cain's 2012 campaign for the Republican Party's nomination for president of the United States, was introduced in August 2011. The 9–9–9 Plan would replace all current taxes (including the payroll tax, capital gains tax, and the estate tax) with 9% business transaction tax, 9% personal income tax, and a 9% federal sales tax.[1][2]"
heh, good one.
SIEG NEIN!
Is that a NO then?
First they came for the Greeks . . . .
When the swap lines with the Fed have been used to prop up insolvent EU banks,you'd better listen to the paymaster.It's called contagion.
Fill up your credit cards people! Once the majors (governments) stop paying, why should we??
If you collect a government check to survive, make good with your kids today!
We ain’t pay’in!
We ain’t pay’in!
We ain’t pay’in!
If you collect a government check to survive, make good with your kids today!
What are the kids going to do to help? Curious. Show Ma and Pa how to hunt and live off the land.
ALL IN for Greeks. They already win, they can take jackpot. The world know now that Europe just a bunch of fuckers
US isin there big time trying to take charge of this situation. I think US taxpayers are eager to help.
US taxpayers can help Greece and will pay debt instead=)
Germany does not really mean "nein".
What she really means is "mine".
nein ? i heard "nailed"
I thought we had a deal. Keitl, I want a plan in 24 hours to level Athens!!
This will interfere with my plans against Russia!
Ja, Mein Fuhrer!
Nothing left, Keitl! Nothing! Use the entire Luftwaffe! Get Goring on the phone, Now!
Greece, just sht or get off the pot already. This news is growing as tiring as Modonna news, f4ggoty Brucine Jenner news, and news about Obama not actually doing anything about ISIS. Gimme a fn break. Big fn yawn.
Time to go to Greece and buy me that little seaside apartment I always wanted........
As I said before--the origins of the EU-- because I don't think it can be stated enough.
Read The Red House Report (EW-Pa 128), a US intelligence report detailing Nazi plans to set up a European Union. It was a blueprint of how the Nazis would take control of Europe not by military conquest but through economic means.
The corporate preparations for World War II started as early as 1925, when Bayer, BASF, Hoechst and other German multinationals formed a cartel called “IG Farben Industry”. The declared goal of this cartel was to obtain control of the global markets in the key industrial sectors of chemistry, pharmaceuticals and petrochemicals. On April 24, 1964, the key architects of the “Brussels EU” – all of them active members of the IG Farben/Nazi coalition during WWII – met at the “Brussels EU” headquarters to stake their claims on the future of the European continent.
Key architects/founding fathers:
EU Commission President Walter Hallstein
German Chancellor Ludwig Erhard
Ludger Westrick, Head of the German Chancellery
Karl Carstens, German Secretary of State for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Karl-Günther von Hase, Head of the Press and Information Service of the German government
Walter Hallstein, a German lawyer, had been appointed the founding president of the so-called EU Commission, the highest body within the “Brussels EU.” In 1964, the time above meeting took place, he had already been the chief architect of the “Brussels EU” construct for seven years. Hallstein, not legitimized by any democratic vote anywhere in Europe, ruled like a “tsar” – imposed by the successors of the IG Farben oil and drug cartel – over an army of 3,000 administrative servants in Brussels and a budget of billions of Euros (in today’s currency).
Before and during WWII Hallstein had served the Nazi regime as a fervent advocate of Nazi law, among others at the University of Rostock, Germany. In January 23, 1939, three years after his Nazi law colleagues had issued the Nuremberg racial laws – and only months before the Nazi/IG Farben coalition launched WWII by attacking Poland Europe – Hallstein talked about future European law under German leadership (“Rechtseinheit Großdeutschlands”). He left no doubt to whom his loyalty belongs: “One of the most important laws (in Nazi occupied European countries) is the protection Law for German blood and honour.”
Ludwig Erhard had been an economic consultant to the Nazi/IG Farben-coalition. He was founder and head of the Nazi-financed “Institut für Industrieforschung” (“Institute for Industry Research”) from 1942. He was married to the sister of Dr. Guth, the head of the infamous “Reichsguppe Industrie” – the Nazi’s official association of the German Reich’s industrialists. In 1944, Erhard wrote “War Finances and Debt Consolidation” (“Kriegsfinanzierung und Schuldenkonsolidierung”), a study about the reconstruction of the economy in a post-war Germany.
After World War II, Erhard became an economic consultant to the Allied forces and later Minister of Economic Affairs and Chancellor in post-war Germany. He was then a member of the Christian Democratic Party (CDU). In his functions, he was responsible for the reintegration of the IG Farben managers sentenced in Nuremberg for crimes against humanity into leading corporate positions in post-war Germany.
One of those to be “reintegrated” was BAYER's WWII director Fritz Ter Mer. This executive of the world’s largest pharmaceutical (!) company was convicted in the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal No. VI for genocide in connection with the deadly human experiments with patented Bayer drugs in the KZ Auschwitz (www.profit-over-life.org). With the help of Erhard – then Germany's Minister of Economic Affairs – Ter Mer was released from prison and reinstated as the chairman of the board of BAYER by 1956.
Erhard publicly defended such an unspeakable act by stating that the selection of Germany’s post-war industry captains was necessary because of their “expertise in the field of economics and chemical technology.” Obviously, Erhard did not bother that Ter Mer and the other pharmaceutical drug lords had been tried in Nuremberg for war crimes. As part of the “give and take”, Erhard was rewarded with the appointment of vice-chancellor of Germany only one year later.
Ludger Westrick was chairman of the board, president, and later central trustee of the state-owned “Vereinigte Industrie-Unternehmen AG” (VIAG) during the Nazi era. In post-war Germany, Westrick joined the Christian Democratic Party (CDU).
By 1964 – at the time of the above meeting – he had been appointed head of the German Chancellery, one of the most powerful positions in the German political system. In that function he controlled all key decisions of German politics, including economics, foreign policy, secret service, political funds, public relations and propaganda of the post-WWII German government.
Westricks predecessor as head of the German chancellery – and the man who had coordinated the political and financial support for Hallstein and the construction of the “Brussels EU” from the German chancellery for the first 6 years of the new European politburo of the cartel in Brussels – was Hans Globke. Globke was a key figure in Hitler’s Ministry of Internal Affairs. He was the lawyer who was responsible for implementing the Nazi laws and regulations, subjecting the occupied countries in Europe under the rule of the IG Farben/Nazi coalition. Moreover, Globke was co-author of the legal codex that made the Nuremberg racial laws binding law in Nazi Germany. This codex formed the legal basis for the annihilation of Jewish, Slavic and other people in Nazi occupied Europe. The second author of this codex, Wilhelm Stuckart was a State secretary in the German Interior Ministry and was one of the selected few participants of the infamous “Wannsee Conference” that decided the extermination of more than 10 million Jewish people.
Westrick, the man on the above picture, was the immediate successor of Globke and had been introduced into his office by this man.
Karl Carstens was an enthusiastic Nazi follower, joining the SA already in 1934. He was a registered member of the Nazi party, the NSDAP from 1940 on. In 1955 he became member of the German Christian Democratic Union.
In 1954 Carstens joined the German Foreign Service and from 1955 he was the official standing representative of the German Federal Republic at the European Council in Strasbourg!
Concurrently, he advanced to the position of Vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs with the defined field of responsibility: “European Questions.”
In 1958 he advanced the Head of the Division “Europe West” within the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Karl-Günther von Hase joined the Wehrmacht, the German army in 1936. He participated in the Nazi-German Invasion of Poland in 1939, the Battle of France in 1940 and the Invastion of Russia from 1941 to 1945 and married the daughter of a Nazi-General.
After the war, von Hase joined a diplomatic school in the Federal Republic of Germany and started a blitz-career in German politics. From 1962 to 1967 – including the time of the above meeting in Brussels – von Hase was head of the press office of the German government and responsible for its public relations and propaganda.
Only 19 years after the IG Farben/Nazi-coalition had caused the death of 60 million people and destroyed half of Europe during WWII, they were already at it again. Their third attempt to conquer Europe would not take place in military uniforms but in the grey suits of corporate and political stakeholders of the cartel.
So, the Jews were out of the loop .... with IG Farben .... so why are they catching all the blame now .... Je suis Juif ?
Well, it's complicated. According to Dr. Anthony Sutton, the Rothschilds funded the Nazis, communism and world wars because that's what they do: foment division and dissent amongst the herd. In other words, they didn't mind sacrificing Jews to their world dominating Zionest agenda. Of course, the Rothschilds are just one example of many elites (non-Jewish) who funded the rise of Nazi Germany.
The bottom line: Judaism is not Zionism
"foment division and dissent amongst the herd". If the "herd" is the countries that are in the EU... then it would be possible that "the Rothschilds" would be all for a disintegration of the EU, eh?
No, the "herd" is the useless eaters and toothless masses who populate the countries that are in the EU and everywhere else, not the elite power brokers who control these masses inside their countries. However, of course, it's best if even at the power broker level, there is division, for examle, the EU and China, EU and Russia, etc. That'e one of the reason the U.S. and EU always fund both sides of a conflict.
THe EU is one entitiy, the bigger the better, but it's best if the masses inside the EU are divided so they do not recognize the true source of their misery.
so what is your point? that the EU is a Nazi construct?
the founding members were West Germany, Italy, France, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. all of them Nazis?
you could as well argue that the EU is the Holy Roman Empire reborn, or Napoleon's empire reborn. and yet you are disregarding the little details, aren't you?
for example that it's a voluntary association. a trade alliance. and a response to globalization by the forces of "free trade"
Of the 150 or so commercial banks in Berlin in 1932, only one was controlled by Germans.
We are in crazy times but I believe that any move towards Russia/China might look good for putting pressure on the west but I somehow doubt that Russia and China will be filling Greek coffers so that Greece can continue to run a bloated bureaucracy and bloated parliament.
Then again, they might throw enough cash to get a foothold in Greece and take it from there.
The worst part for Greece is that they might be replacing a master with a two headed tyrant.
It's like trying to ice skate on lava at the moment so good luck to those who are trying.
Maybe they will bail-out Greece AFTER they default
In other German news, Kiev cuts off Russian gas supply to the Donbass.
Since Kiev gets it gas, electricity and coal from Russia, that should end well.
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/
in the meantime....
- anyone got news about ebola ?
- ..........................................fly noize.......................................
Has anyone heard from Flounder? I'm worried sick!
Yes, I have a little bit of news for those that care.
In Sierra Leone, ebola might actually be coming to its grizzly end by about June on the current trajectory. The humanitarian crisis however is just starting with the thousands of children that have been orphaned as a result of this disease.
It's a major typo.
S/Be MINE! MINE! MINE MINE!
5 nines .... is a pretty good score .... on the balance beam .... WTF .... Jerome Dieselbloom ?
Whoever in the fuck is on the bid at EURUSD 1.1300, I hope you HAVE A LOT MORE ROUNDS TO THROW DOWN RANGE. Great job so far HA.
Enough of nein...just say it's kaput and get it over with.
Germany will buckle again.
The French and the rest of the Eurocrats will want to save the Euro and buckle into the demands.
careful with that word, "Eurocrats". Tsipras is an EuroCrat, now. Varoufakis is an EuroCrat, now
both appointed by the elected Greek Parliament. and I doubt the Syriza Members of Parliaments were elected in order to trash the EUR, btw, only to better the terms
You don't like "Eurocrats"? Try "Brussel Sprouts".